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During today’s game, David Wright hit his 30th home run of the season, a) making him the third Mets player to hit 30 home runs and have 30 stolen base in one season, and b) the fourth youngest player to ever do so in MLB history.
…congratulations, david…
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What a shame. This team’s magic number should now be at 5. We should be carrying D Wright around Shea on our shoulders in anticipation of his MVP crowning in preparation for the playoffs.
OK David, this your time. Time for you to lead. Time for you to get on these guys. Get on Reyes for poor play in the field and at the plate. It rests on the two of you in the field and at the plate. Not Beltran, not Alou, not Green. Wright & Reyes. This is your team. Time for you to get in these pitchers faces. Get there asses in gear and get it done.
Lead them MVP, lead them!!!!!
Congrats on the 30-30!!!
WHERE WAS PEA BRAIN WILLIE TO CONGRATULATE HIS PLAYER AND CELEBRATE THIS ACHIEVEMENT IN THE DUGOUT. NO HE STOOD THERE AND LOOKED NORMAL WHICH IS STUPID. NO ENTHUSIASM ON HIS PART!!!
I think your caps lock button is broke or something dude.
Hahahahahah.
Well, if I remember correctly, in the lead-up to this game, all of Wright’s teammates seemed to have agreed that (Except Wright, I’ll give him that) on-field celebrations were a horrific faux pas.
Were they go out there and dance about the field?
And wake sleeping dogs?
No, that would not be classy.
Whipped cream on crap
If the Mets won this game, Wright’s MVP candidacy goes through the roof… Not so much, now, and obviously more so for Rollins.
Phucking Phillies…
Wright had 3 chances to make his case, in high-leverage situations with men on base. He struck out and flied out twice, and then hit a meaningless HR. He did not get it done when it mattered most.
Wright is batting .200 in Sept. Unless he goes on a monumental tear and carries this team on his back the rest of the way, he has played himself out of MVP contention.
But that was one of the most beautiful catches I’ve ever seen.
Yeah, he’s got a low batting average in Sept., but his OPS is over 1.000. That makes the batting average completely irrelevant.
“Wright is batting .200 in Sept. Unless he goes on a monumental tear and carries this team on his back the rest of the way, he has played himself out of MVP contention.”
WHAT??? I didn’t realize a 1.056 OPS with 7 runs and 10 RBI in 12 games was ‘playing yourself out of MVP contention???
Come on people… it’s not too hard to do a little research and a little thinking before opening your mouth.
If Rollins had had a great series, I can see where he might have bolted ahead of Wright. But he didn’t. He had just 1 more RBI in the series than Wright.
IMO, they are basically in the same place in the MVP race as when the weekend started. Neither did anything remarkable enough to change things. Maybe the MVP will be won in the next 2 weeks.
Stupid comment, Why? Rollins hits leadoff and Wright hits in an RBI spot.
No offense, but I though you Mets fans were a little more logical than that,
Ok, tell me what Rollins did so great this weekend that Wright didn’t do, either in terms of production or OBP. Don’t just say my comment is stupid. Support your statement with a relevant fact. I actually gave a fact. You didn’t.
I repeat — no matter how you look at their respective spots in the lineup, neither did anything special this weekend to change the race. I still stand by that.
IMO, before the series started, Wright was more deserving of the MVP than Rollins. He still is.
Hmm, why am I not surprised you’ve failed to supply any supporting facts? No offense, but I really shouldn’t have expected anything more from a Phillies fan.
Rollins produced when it mattered a lot more. Just for example, he blasted a hard line-drive into center field for a two RBI triple that Beltran had to chase down.
Wright? He hits a solo dinger when they’re down by 5. Nice, homerun, woo. But that wasn’t a momentum changer. Not like Beltran had done today (Which the Mets squandered quickly.)
Or… Like what Jimmy Rollins had done over this past weekend.
You mean the ball to center that Beltran usually catches? Ok, lets give Rollins that one, but what else? You said “for example” so what are the other examples
from this series?? There aren’t any others, right?
On Friday, Wright’s HR gave his team the lead. That’s just as important as Rollins’ triple. So they each basically had 1 big hit in the series. Now, how in the world would that impact the MVP race?
Lets face it. No player on either team had a standout series of the type that might make a significant shift in an MVP race with the possible exception of Dobbs. And of course, he isn’t even in the MVP race.
Congrats David, this is a great milestone for you to accomplish at such a young age.
he’s batting .200 over like 14 games, get over it. if you think he’s gonna do this the rest of the month dont even come here dude. have at least a little faith in him.
sorry that was for 4JoeOrsulak i forgot to say that
Do I need to remind you that he hit .244 for a month already this year? I guess I do. I’m not saying he’s going to this month, but it’s not unprecedented.
Great, on a day that the Mets looked like crap, we celebrate an individual honor. Maybe, that’s all we’re getting this year.
i dont understand how you cant be proud of david wright for having an amazing year. there is nothing wrong with individual achievement.
You’re putting words in my mouth. I never said I wasn’t proud of DWright. If you didn’t understand my comment, I’ll try to reiterate (for you):
It’s a team game. I’m happy for him, but on a day that we witnessed a 3 game sweep at the hands of our closest divisional rival, a sweep that put the team’s chances at winning the division a notch lower, I’d look for a tempered excitement for an individual achievement.
30-30 is a good achievement, but can we win the stinking division before we celebrate? I believe Wright would probably say the same thing.
Whether the Phillies (or Brewers) make the playoffs or not, David Wright has been the MVP in the National League this year. I’ve thought for a while that if the Brewers get in they will give it to Fielder, which has me rooting for the Cubs (even though I admire the Brewers, as I do most exciting, young, good teams). The Mets are going to win the NL East. The saddest thing that may come of this series is that it may end up screwing DWright out of the MVP award, this time to a Phillie.
Wright deserves to be the first Mets MVP ever, as did Dwight Gooden in 1985. If the Mets had beaten out STL that year the MVP prolly would have gone to Darryl, but Gooden deserved the Cy Young and the MVP. That’s how far above every other NL player he was.
The Mets have never had an MVP or a no-hitter…and, it doesn’t matter. As much as I’d like to see one or both of these happen, I’d far and away would rather see another World Series win.
I’d say that it matters, it’s just not prioritized over a ring. Nothing comes before the ring! But there’s no reason they have to be mutually exclusive…why can’t we have both?
I guess we could, but like I said before, I’d take a WS win over all other things.
by the way, when pedro got his 3000th strike out, and glavine got his 300th win, no one was bitching about it being “whipped cream on crap”. its a great achievement. i am very happy i was wrong about Dwright.
Pedro’s 3000th and Glavine’s 300th weren’t “whipped cream on crap” because the Mets actually won the games that these milestones occured in. Think about it dude.
Dwright surprised me after his start to put up these numbers is great. Willie just doesn’t show emotion and I don’t know how to judge his managing of players, but until I hear differently it must be ok, besides it has to be better then the way he manages the game.
Correction: “…A certifiable cretin”
Since this is a worth Mets bashing day, I’ll add this:
As I type this….all of Fenway is singing “Sweet Caroline” in the 8th inning.
This song..as we all know is a tradition in Boston. They’ve done it for many years.
I wonder if the New York Mets front office realizes how completely assenine it is, that they have to rip off other teams traditions, such as that song…and then have the nerve to play it at Shea. I love my team, but why can’t we get some originiality. There are alot of songs out there…do we have to steal Boston’s?
Sweet Caroline and the New York Mets have absolutely nothing to do with each other, and whenever they play it at Shea and I’m there…its pretty embaressing.
[...] 30-stolen base club. Wright is also the fourth youngest player in MLB history to join the club, according to MetsBlog. Wright hit his 30th HR Sunday afternoon after the game against Philly turned into a blowout. [...]
Jesus Christ, David Wright is not some 5 year old kid that you have to congratulate. Are you seriosuly all going to get on Willie for not congratulating him. IM sorry but i dont blame willie he jsut sat there like each of u and watched the mets get swept again by the phillies and as pissed as u all may be im sure willie is doubly as pissed even if he doesnt show it. Congrats david 30 30 wooo real exciting lets celebrate..o wait lets not and lets wait until they possibly win the division. oh and the MVP talk has gotta stop. I am as de har da met fan as u will find but he is not where near the MVP of the league. Some day he may very well will be but this year?? i think not. oh and wat did rollins do? what didnt he do this series tie game yesterday shot to center to score th winning runs and he was on base everywhere u looked. Give it to holliday he is having a monster year in every aspect.. david has not done anything extroardinary.. hate to burst all your bubbles but its the truth.. he failed three times today alone in getting a big hit ina key spot oh and he did yesterday to i beleive witha K.. so stop fantasizing and realize that he is and will not be MVP
Are you serious? Holliday has Coors splits. Enuff said.
Wright is definitely a bonafide MVP candidate if not the leader right now. You don’t award the MVP based on 1 series, something you seem to fail to understand. And at any rate, neither Rollins or Wright or anyone else on either team with the exception of Dobbs had a standout series. So there was nothing to get excited about in terms of the MVP race over the weekend. And FYI, Wright and Rollins were on base at the same exact rate this weekend (actually Wright slightly higher) so if you thought Rollins “was on base everywhere u looked” then maybe you need to visit the optometrist because your eyes are decieving you.
I guess you also don’t know that Wright leads the NL in Win Shares? But, yeah, forget about that. Who cares about overall excellence in the NL? I mean why give out awards based on superior play when you can rely on faulty perception?
Really, there is no one in the NL having an extraordinary year like A-Rod. But in all-around play, Wright is at the very top. Hate to burst your bubble, but it’s true.
Metties, your name is wrong you must be a Yankee fan…How is David Wright not MVP? He is hitting .315 with 30 HR, 98 RBI, 31 SB, .415 OBP, great defense, 4th youngest to 30/30, on the team with the best record in the NL…he is so well rounded…He edges out Holliday because of their respective teams, and Holliday is 20 points lower in OBP, and has like 5 steals…and the Rockies aren’t going to make the playoffs, Mets have the best record, and Wright did all this after a sub-par year from Reyes, an inconsistent, injury-plagued year from Beltran, Delgado being a non-factor, Alou missing nearly 3 months, Green having 40 RBI, the bullpen sucking, and inconsistent starting pitching, and they have the NL’s best record..why? David Wright…he is the MVP
I think Wright has had a great year, and deserves MVP, if he wins it. Still, I think Rollins, Holliday or Fielder would also be deserving. However, please don;t say Wright plays great defense; he makes spectacular plays on occasion, but he also makes bone-head errors often – 18 errors is too many (and the total would be higher except for a lenient Shea scorer). Wright is in the bottom 5 in fielding percentage among 3rd basemen. He obviously took his offensive production to the next level; this off-season he should focus on defense.
Also, if Wright’s MVP candidacy needs to be enhanced by tearing down other Mets players, then it is not much of an MVP season. Beltran has produced very good numbers: the same RBI as Wright in fewer games. He has played a great CF. Reyes has produced a gold glove worthy SS and his numbers are good – yes, a regression from last year, but still top 4 in runs.
Do you know that Wright’s Zone Rating is in the middle of the pack for third basemen, that it’s higher than A-Rod’s, and that his out of zone balls fielded is tops in the majors? That fielding percentage is considered an inferior way to judge defense, but at any rate Wright’s is higher than Zimmerman’s who’s considered an excellent defensive player? And that a better first baseman might have saved Wright many of the errors he was given? It’s all true.
I mean, if you really watch the games, Wright’s fielding has been terrific this year.
Further, you don’t need to tear down Mets players to enhance Wright anymore than you have to tear down Burrell, Utley, Howard, or Rowand to enhance Rollins. They all have better numbers than Rollins. In fact it could easily be argued Rollins has a better supporting cast than Wright does, because it’s true. Fielder’s supporting cast isn’t too shabby either as the Brewer’s team offense is actually better than the Mets. So there’s no need to minimize what Wright has done with faulty reasoning. It’s not for nothing that Wright leads the NL in Win Shares.
Look, I don’t go in for much of the new metrics for measuring performance – it’s too hard for me to try to wrap my head around the math.
I do really watch the games, Carver (way to assume I know nothing about watching baseball) – I may have missed 10 this year, and I have attended around 20 – and I said he makes spectacular plays occasionally. Maybe “occasionally” is the wrong word since spectacular plays are spectacular because they are rare. My eyes tell me that Wright is way to inconsistent to be considered a great or terrific fielder, yet. I have seen numerous plays at third he should have made, but the scorer at Shea ruled hits. If you look at my post, I credit Wright with being deserving of MVP, I just took issue with the characterization of Wright as a great defender. I don’t understand why some Mets fans think Wright ought to be immune to criticism.
As to the last part of your post, I don’t even understand to what it is responding. I criticized another post’s attempt to bolster Wright’s MVP candidacy by denigrating the efforts of fellow Mets. If other fans watch the games they will see that Beltran and Reyes are having good seasons (maybe not as good as last year, but still way above average for their positions). I just think it is wrong to marginalize the contributions of the other players besides Wright. Wright is having a great season, there is no doubt about it, but if he wasn’t getting help from Reyes, Beltran, and whomever I neglect, the Mets would not be in 1st place – his production is not enough alone to push the Mets to the top of the NL.
I have never seen such ungrateful fans in my life. This team had battled all year and had bounced from these situations each time. Your right thats not the manager right? Come on, he has made every right move this year. His bullpen stinks, his #4 hitter stinks , his #6 hitter was gone until august, no 2b, a slumping 3b for the first half, lost #4 OF and #5 OF, pitching issues…come on. This is not a great team but a very good one. Can they win the whole thing sure, but they will battle. Ill be there…you guys doubting all these guys can stay home and watch the yankees lose again.
MEX, you say that the subjectivity of scorers leads to Wright not getting errors when he should. Well it works both ways, don’t you think? And it works for all players too. Which is why it’s generally agreed by sabermetricians that fielding percentage is considered a faulty gauge of fielding performance. Because to a large extent it’s at the mercy of the scorer and, in the case of third basemen, the proficiency of the first baseman.
Lets dispense with words like “poor” or “excellent” to describe Wright’s fielding. Lets just look at the rate at which he fields balls in his zone (Zone Rating). Have a look at this [http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/index.php?view=fielding&linesToDisplay=50&orderBy=zone_rating&direction=DESC&qual_filter=1&season_filter%5B%5D=2007&league_filter%5B%5D=All&team_filter%5B%5D=All&pos_filter%5B%5D=5&Submit=Submit chart] , particularly the last two columns. The first of these is the Zone Rating for third basemen. As you can see Wright is in the middle of the pack and better than A-Rod. Are you going to say A-Rod doesn’t deserve the MVP because his fielding is worse than Wright’s? The second of these columns is the balls fielded out of a typical third baseman’s zone. You can see that Wright leads the majors in fielding these balls. When you consider both columns, Wright is near the top in fielding metrics this year. You can characterize it however you like, but he’s one of the best.
The second half of my post was directed at your bringing up the fact that Wright has a good supporting cast. But Rollins has an even better supporting cast than Wright has. So if you’re going to take marks off of Wright’s eligibility to be an MVP because of his supporting cast, then you’ve got to take off even more for Rollins because he has an even better one. And what about A-Rod??? So my point is, don’t downplay Wright for having Beltran and Reyes playing around him. Because almost all the top MVP candidates have as many good supporting players or even more.
MEX, that link didn’t turn out right. Here it is again:
http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/index.php?view=fielding&linesToDisplay=50&orderBy=zone_rating&direction=DESC&qual_filter=1&season_filter%5B%5D=2007&league_filter%5B%5D=All&team_filter%5B%5D=All&pos_filter%5B%5D=5&Submit=Submit
Carver, again, I can only say what my eyes tell me watching Wright field – he is not great, and he has a lot of improving to do. I don’t watch the Yankees so I can’t comment on Rodriguez’s fielding acumen.
I never downplayed Wright’s chances for MVP because of his supporting cast. I just criticized another post for a negative mischaracterization of Beltran’s and Reyes’s performance this year.
I think Wright is having a great, MVP-caliber season, but there are several players having season’s which are equally as worthy of consideration. If I had a vote, I would vote for Wright, but if Holliday, Rollins or Fielder win I wouldn’t view it as a travesty of justice. It’s not an open or shut case for any candidate despite what the posters here think.
Fair enough. We all watch baseball and have our own opinions based on what we see. But\ stats can inject a does of reality into the discussion.
As for what the prevailing sentiment is here, I think very few are saying it’s an open-and-shut case for Wright. The sentiment is all over the place, even among Mets fans.
Valid arguments can be made for 4-5 players right now. And the next two weeks will probably clinch it for one of these players.
I said Reyes is having a sub-par year (he is), batting .288 with 10 HR, 50 RBI, and a .360 OBP…That is a sub-par year from Mr. Reyes…and his defense is fantastic, but the past few weeks has not been as great, culminating with a 2-error day…and I said Beltran was inconsistent and injury-plagued…HE IS…remember when everyone here was bashing Beltran? That was during his slump, and he has missed time with injuries, so everything I said was right on…David Wright has kept the Mets afloat, when a lot of stuff happened to this team…He is definatley the MVP in the National League
Wright had an Adam Dunn series against the Phillies, and has had a clutch Adam Dunn September. He has been clutch throughout Sept. that much I’ll give you. But his Phillies series was an exercise in Dunn-like isolated and marginally relevant power. (Although that catch was one for the ages.) I also see signs of his regressing to his April uppercut (albeit more effective since he is hitting homers). It is possible that 30-30 got to his head and now that he has made it, he will go back to his line-drive swing.
Wright is currently a contender, but not a leading one. He needs to improve his Sept. consistency and needs to get some more key hits. The series against Philly is (hopefully) the last high-leverage series the Mets play, and he had 3 shots at putting his stamp on it. Had he succeeded in one of the three, he would have really contributed to his case. It will be harder for him now.
What Wright has going for him is that he has done something only 3 Mets in history have done before, that he plays a crucial defensive position very well, that he is doing what he is doing in a decidedly pitcher’s park, and that, as so many are pointing out, he is the one constant in a first place team otherwise filled with dissapointing performances.
When I think Randolph can’t get any dumber, he proves me wrong.
…And you are are certifiable cretin.
It does matter if the Mets win the game or not. What are people going to be talking about tomorrow? David’s enterance to the 30/30 club or that the Mets just got swept by the Phillies?
And no need to be disrespectful at the end of your post, dude.
how am i being disrespectful saying the same thing you said to me? because i said dude?
there is a difference btw what people are going to be talking about tomorrow, and what this site is going to cover, which is the sweep AND wright getting into the 30/30 club AND alou’s hitting streak. it might personally be hard for you to enjoy the feat, but its a feat nonetheless. and metsblog should be reporting it. thats all im sayin. its one aspect of a long season. and if you try enjoying what david has accomplished this season, maybe it will make you realize that even though this sweep sucked, we are 4 games up in the loss, with 14 to go. i hope that gives you some solace.
amen
feel about the same regarding your posting.