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	<title>Comments on: Note: David Wright in 30-30 Club</title>
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		<title>By: 4JoeOrsulak</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/09/16/note-david-wright-in-30-30-club/#comment-3609</link>
		<dc:creator>4JoeOrsulak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wright had an Adam Dunn series against the Phillies, and has had a clutch Adam Dunn September.  He has been clutch throughout Sept. that much I&#039;ll give you.  But his Phillies series was an exercise in Dunn-like isolated and marginally relevant power.  (Although that catch was one for the ages.)  I also see signs of his regressing to his April uppercut (albeit more effective since he &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; hitting homers).  It is possible that 30-30 got to his head and now that he has made it, he will go back to his line-drive swing.

Wright is currently a contender, but not a leading one.  He needs to improve his Sept. consistency and needs to get some more key hits.  The series against Philly is (hopefully) the last high-leverage series the Mets play, and he had 3 shots at putting his stamp on it.  Had he succeeded in one of the three, he would have really contributed to his case.  It will be harder for him now.

What Wright has going for him is that he has done something only 3 Mets in history have done before, that he plays a crucial defensive position very well, that he is doing what he is doing in a decidedly pitcher&#039;s park, and that, as so many are pointing out, he is the one constant in a first place team otherwise filled with dissapointing performances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wright had an Adam Dunn series against the Phillies, and has had a clutch Adam Dunn September.  He has been clutch throughout Sept. that much I&#8217;ll give you.  But his Phillies series was an exercise in Dunn-like isolated and marginally relevant power.  (Although that catch was one for the ages.)  I also see signs of his regressing to his April uppercut (albeit more effective since he <i>is</i> hitting homers).  It is possible that 30-30 got to his head and now that he has made it, he will go back to his line-drive swing.</p>
<p>Wright is currently a contender, but not a leading one.  He needs to improve his Sept. consistency and needs to get some more key hits.  The series against Philly is (hopefully) the last high-leverage series the Mets play, and he had 3 shots at putting his stamp on it.  Had he succeeded in one of the three, he would have really contributed to his case.  It will be harder for him now.</p>
<p>What Wright has going for him is that he has done something only 3 Mets in history have done before, that he plays a crucial defensive position very well, that he is doing what he is doing in a decidedly pitcher&#8217;s park, and that, as so many are pointing out, he is the one constant in a first place team otherwise filled with dissapointing performances.</p>
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		<title>By: jlazar2</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/09/16/note-david-wright-in-30-30-club/#comment-3492</link>
		<dc:creator>jlazar2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said Reyes is having a sub-par year (he is), batting .288 with 10 HR, 50 RBI, and a .360 OBP...That is a sub-par year from Mr. Reyes...and his defense is fantastic, but the past few weeks has not been as great, culminating with a 2-error day...and I said Beltran was inconsistent and injury-plagued...HE IS...remember when everyone here was bashing Beltran? That was during his slump, and he has missed time with injuries, so everything I said was right on...David Wright has kept the Mets afloat, when a lot of stuff happened to this team...He is definatley the MVP in the National League</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said Reyes is having a sub-par year (he is), batting .288 with 10 HR, 50 RBI, and a .360 OBP&#8230;That is a sub-par year from Mr. Reyes&#8230;and his defense is fantastic, but the past few weeks has not been as great, culminating with a 2-error day&#8230;and I said Beltran was inconsistent and injury-plagued&#8230;HE IS&#8230;remember when everyone here was bashing Beltran? That was during his slump, and he has missed time with injuries, so everything I said was right on&#8230;David Wright has kept the Mets afloat, when a lot of stuff happened to this team&#8230;He is definatley the MVP in the National League</p>
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		<title>By: VCarver</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/09/16/note-david-wright-in-30-30-club/#comment-3476</link>
		<dc:creator>VCarver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough. We all watch baseball and have our own opinions based on what we see. But\ stats can inject a does of reality into the discussion.

As for what the prevailing sentiment is here, I think very few are saying it&#039;s an open-and-shut case for Wright. The sentiment is all over the place, even among Mets fans. 

Valid arguments can be made for 4-5 players right now. And the next two weeks will probably clinch it for one of these players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough. We all watch baseball and have our own opinions based on what we see. But\ stats can inject a does of reality into the discussion.</p>
<p>As for what the prevailing sentiment is here, I think very few are saying it&#8217;s an open-and-shut case for Wright. The sentiment is all over the place, even among Mets fans. </p>
<p>Valid arguments can be made for 4-5 players right now. And the next two weeks will probably clinch it for one of these players.</p>
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		<title>By: MEX</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/09/16/note-david-wright-in-30-30-club/#comment-3470</link>
		<dc:creator>MEX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carver, again, I can only say what my eyes tell me watching Wright field - he is not great, and he has a lot of improving to do.  I don&#039;t watch the Yankees so I can&#039;t comment on Rodriguez&#039;s fielding acumen.

I never downplayed Wright&#039;s chances for MVP because of his supporting cast.  I just criticized another post for a negative mischaracterization of Beltran&#039;s and Reyes&#039;s performance this year.

I think Wright is having a great, MVP-caliber season, but there are several players having season&#039;s which are equally as worthy of consideration.  If I had a vote, I would vote for Wright, but if Holliday, Rollins or Fielder win I wouldn&#039;t view it as a travesty of justice.  It&#039;s not an open or shut case for any candidate despite what the posters here think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carver, again, I can only say what my eyes tell me watching Wright field &#8211; he is not great, and he has a lot of improving to do.  I don&#8217;t watch the Yankees so I can&#8217;t comment on Rodriguez&#8217;s fielding acumen.</p>
<p>I never downplayed Wright&#8217;s chances for MVP because of his supporting cast.  I just criticized another post for a negative mischaracterization of Beltran&#8217;s and Reyes&#8217;s performance this year.</p>
<p>I think Wright is having a great, MVP-caliber season, but there are several players having season&#8217;s which are equally as worthy of consideration.  If I had a vote, I would vote for Wright, but if Holliday, Rollins or Fielder win I wouldn&#8217;t view it as a travesty of justice.  It&#8217;s not an open or shut case for any candidate despite what the posters here think.</p>
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		<title>By: VCarver</title>
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		<dc:creator>VCarver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MEX, that link didn&#039;t turn out right. Here it is again:

http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/index.php?view=fielding&amp;linesToDisplay=50&amp;orderBy=zone_rating&amp;direction=DESC&amp;qual_filter=1&amp;season_filter%5B%5D=2007&amp;league_filter%5B%5D=All&amp;team_filter%5B%5D=All&amp;pos_filter%5B%5D=5&amp;Submit=Submit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MEX, that link didn&#8217;t turn out right. Here it is again:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/index.php?view=fielding&amp;linesToDisplay=50&amp;orderBy=zone_rating&amp;direction=DESC&amp;qual_filter=1&amp;season_filter%5B%5D=2007&amp;league_filter%5B%5D=All&amp;team_filter%5B%5D=All&amp;pos_filter%5B%5D=5&amp;Submit=Submit" rel="nofollow">http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/index.php?view=fielding&amp;linesToDisplay=50&amp;orderBy=zone_rating&amp;direction=DESC&amp;qual_filter=1&amp;season_filter%5B%5D=2007&amp;league_filter%5B%5D=All&amp;team_filter%5B%5D=All&amp;pos_filter%5B%5D=5&amp;Submit=Submit</a></p>
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		<title>By: VCarver</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/09/16/note-david-wright-in-30-30-club/#comment-3425</link>
		<dc:creator>VCarver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MEX, you say that the subjectivity of scorers leads to Wright not getting errors when he should. Well it works both ways, don&#039;t you think? And it works for all players too.  Which is why it&#039;s generally agreed by sabermetricians that fielding percentage is considered a faulty gauge of fielding performance. Because to a large extent it&#039;s at the mercy of the scorer and, in the case of third basemen, the proficiency of the first baseman. 

Lets dispense with words like &quot;poor&quot; or &quot;excellent&quot; to describe Wright&#039;s fielding. Lets just look at the rate at which he fields balls in his zone (Zone Rating). Have a look at this [http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/index.php?view=fielding&amp;linesToDisplay=50&amp;orderBy=zone_rating&amp;direction=DESC&amp;qual_filter=1&amp;season_filter%5B%5D=2007&amp;league_filter%5B%5D=All&amp;team_filter%5B%5D=All&amp;pos_filter%5B%5D=5&amp;Submit=Submit chart] , particularly the last two columns.  The first of these is the Zone Rating for third basemen. As you can see Wright is in the middle of the pack and better than A-Rod. Are you going to say A-Rod doesn&#039;t deserve the MVP because his fielding is worse than Wright&#039;s? The second of these columns is the balls fielded out of a typical third baseman&#039;s zone. You can see that Wright leads the majors in fielding these balls. When you consider both columns, Wright is near the top in fielding metrics this year.  You can characterize it however you like, but he&#039;s one of the best. 

The second half of my post was directed at your bringing up the fact that Wright has a good supporting cast. But Rollins has an even better supporting cast than Wright has. So if you&#039;re going to take marks off of Wright&#039;s eligibility to be an MVP because of his supporting cast, then you&#039;ve got to take off even more for Rollins because he has an even better one. And what about A-Rod???  So my point is, don&#039;t downplay Wright for having Beltran and Reyes playing around him. Because almost all the top MVP candidates have as many good supporting players or even more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MEX, you say that the subjectivity of scorers leads to Wright not getting errors when he should. Well it works both ways, don&#8217;t you think? And it works for all players too.  Which is why it&#8217;s generally agreed by sabermetricians that fielding percentage is considered a faulty gauge of fielding performance. Because to a large extent it&#8217;s at the mercy of the scorer and, in the case of third basemen, the proficiency of the first baseman. </p>
<p>Lets dispense with words like &#8220;poor&#8221; or &#8220;excellent&#8221; to describe Wright&#8217;s fielding. Lets just look at the rate at which he fields balls in his zone (Zone Rating). Have a look at this [http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/index.php?view=fielding&amp;linesToDisplay=50&amp;orderBy=zone_rating&amp;direction=DESC&amp;qual_filter=1&amp;season_filter%5B%5D=2007&amp;league_filter%5B%5D=All&amp;team_filter%5B%5D=All&amp;pos_filter%5B%5D=5&amp;Submit=Submit chart] , particularly the last two columns.  The first of these is the Zone Rating for third basemen. As you can see Wright is in the middle of the pack and better than A-Rod. Are you going to say A-Rod doesn&#8217;t deserve the MVP because his fielding is worse than Wright&#8217;s? The second of these columns is the balls fielded out of a typical third baseman&#8217;s zone. You can see that Wright leads the majors in fielding these balls. When you consider both columns, Wright is near the top in fielding metrics this year.  You can characterize it however you like, but he&#8217;s one of the best. </p>
<p>The second half of my post was directed at your bringing up the fact that Wright has a good supporting cast. But Rollins has an even better supporting cast than Wright has. So if you&#8217;re going to take marks off of Wright&#8217;s eligibility to be an MVP because of his supporting cast, then you&#8217;ve got to take off even more for Rollins because he has an even better one. And what about A-Rod???  So my point is, don&#8217;t downplay Wright for having Beltran and Reyes playing around him. Because almost all the top MVP candidates have as many good supporting players or even more.</p>
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		<title>By: seanavery</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/09/16/note-david-wright-in-30-30-club/#comment-3400</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never seen such ungrateful fans in my life. This team had battled all year and had bounced from these situations each time. Your right thats not the manager right? Come on, he has made every right move this year. His bullpen stinks, his #4 hitter stinks , his #6 hitter was gone until august, no 2b, a slumping 3b for the first half, lost #4 OF and #5 OF, pitching issues...come on. This is not a great team but a very good one. Can they win the whole thing sure, but they will battle. Ill be there...you guys doubting all these guys can stay home and watch the yankees lose again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never seen such ungrateful fans in my life. This team had battled all year and had bounced from these situations each time. Your right thats not the manager right? Come on, he has made every right move this year. His bullpen stinks, his #4 hitter stinks , his #6 hitter was gone until august, no 2b, a slumping 3b for the first half, lost #4 OF and #5 OF, pitching issues&#8230;come on. This is not a great team but a very good one. Can they win the whole thing sure, but they will battle. Ill be there&#8230;you guys doubting all these guys can stay home and watch the yankees lose again.</p>
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		<title>By: MEX</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/09/16/note-david-wright-in-30-30-club/#comment-3390</link>
		<dc:creator>MEX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, I don&#039;t go in for much of the new metrics for measuring performance - it&#039;s too hard for me to try to wrap my head around the math.  

I do really watch the games, Carver  (way to assume I know nothing about watching baseball) - I may have missed 10 this year, and I have attended around 20 - and I said he makes spectacular plays occasionally.  Maybe &quot;occasionally&quot; is the wrong word since spectacular plays are spectacular because they are rare.  My eyes tell me that Wright is way to inconsistent to be considered a great or terrific fielder, yet.  I have seen numerous plays at third he should have made, but the scorer at Shea ruled hits.  If you look at my post, I credit Wright with being deserving of MVP, I just took issue with the characterization of Wright as a great defender.  I don&#039;t understand why some Mets fans think Wright ought to be immune to criticism.

As to the last part of your post, I don&#039;t even understand to what it is responding.  I criticized another post&#039;s attempt to bolster Wright&#039;s MVP candidacy by denigrating the efforts of fellow Mets.  If other fans watch the games they will see that Beltran and Reyes are having good seasons (maybe not as good as last year, but still way above average for their positions).  I just think it is wrong to marginalize the contributions of the other players besides Wright.  Wright is having a great season, there is no doubt about it, but if he wasn&#039;t getting help from Reyes, Beltran, and whomever I neglect, the Mets would not be in 1st place - his production is not enough alone to push the Mets to the top of the NL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, I don&#8217;t go in for much of the new metrics for measuring performance &#8211; it&#8217;s too hard for me to try to wrap my head around the math.  </p>
<p>I do really watch the games, Carver  (way to assume I know nothing about watching baseball) &#8211; I may have missed 10 this year, and I have attended around 20 &#8211; and I said he makes spectacular plays occasionally.  Maybe &#8220;occasionally&#8221; is the wrong word since spectacular plays are spectacular because they are rare.  My eyes tell me that Wright is way to inconsistent to be considered a great or terrific fielder, yet.  I have seen numerous plays at third he should have made, but the scorer at Shea ruled hits.  If you look at my post, I credit Wright with being deserving of MVP, I just took issue with the characterization of Wright as a great defender.  I don&#8217;t understand why some Mets fans think Wright ought to be immune to criticism.</p>
<p>As to the last part of your post, I don&#8217;t even understand to what it is responding.  I criticized another post&#8217;s attempt to bolster Wright&#8217;s MVP candidacy by denigrating the efforts of fellow Mets.  If other fans watch the games they will see that Beltran and Reyes are having good seasons (maybe not as good as last year, but still way above average for their positions).  I just think it is wrong to marginalize the contributions of the other players besides Wright.  Wright is having a great season, there is no doubt about it, but if he wasn&#8217;t getting help from Reyes, Beltran, and whomever I neglect, the Mets would not be in 1st place &#8211; his production is not enough alone to push the Mets to the top of the NL.</p>
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		<title>By: VCarver</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/09/16/note-david-wright-in-30-30-club/#comment-3385</link>
		<dc:creator>VCarver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you know that Wright&#039;s Zone Rating is in the middle of the pack for third basemen, that it&#039;s higher than A-Rod&#039;s, and that his out of zone balls fielded is tops in the majors? That fielding percentage is considered an inferior way to judge defense, but  at any rate Wright&#039;s is higher than Zimmerman&#039;s who&#039;s considered an excellent defensive player? And that a better first baseman might have saved Wright many of the errors he was given?  It&#039;s all true. 

I mean, if you really watch the games, Wright&#039;s fielding has been terrific this year. 

Further, you don&#039;t need to tear down Mets players to enhance Wright anymore than you have to tear down Burrell, Utley, Howard, or  Rowand  to enhance Rollins. They &lt;i&gt;all &lt;/i&gt;have better numbers than Rollins.  In fact it could easily be argued Rollins has a better supporting cast than Wright does, because it&#039;s true. Fielder&#039;s supporting cast isn&#039;t too shabby either as the Brewer&#039;s team offense is actually better than the Mets. So there&#039;s no need to minimize what Wright has done with faulty reasoning. It&#039;s not for nothing that Wright leads the NL in Win Shares.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know that Wright&#8217;s Zone Rating is in the middle of the pack for third basemen, that it&#8217;s higher than A-Rod&#8217;s, and that his out of zone balls fielded is tops in the majors? That fielding percentage is considered an inferior way to judge defense, but  at any rate Wright&#8217;s is higher than Zimmerman&#8217;s who&#8217;s considered an excellent defensive player? And that a better first baseman might have saved Wright many of the errors he was given?  It&#8217;s all true. </p>
<p>I mean, if you really watch the games, Wright&#8217;s fielding has been terrific this year. </p>
<p>Further, you don&#8217;t need to tear down Mets players to enhance Wright anymore than you have to tear down Burrell, Utley, Howard, or  Rowand  to enhance Rollins. They <i>all </i>have better numbers than Rollins.  In fact it could easily be argued Rollins has a better supporting cast than Wright does, because it&#8217;s true. Fielder&#8217;s supporting cast isn&#8217;t too shabby either as the Brewer&#8217;s team offense is actually better than the Mets. So there&#8217;s no need to minimize what Wright has done with faulty reasoning. It&#8217;s not for nothing that Wright leads the NL in Win Shares.</p>
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		<title>By: VCarver</title>
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		<dc:creator>VCarver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you serious? Holliday has Coors splits. Enuff said.  

Wright is definitely a bonafide MVP candidate if not the leader right now.  You don&#039;t award the MVP based on 1 series, something you seem to fail to understand. And at any rate, neither Rollins or Wright or anyone else on either team with the exception of Dobbs had a standout series.  So there was nothing to get excited about in terms of the MVP race over the weekend. And FYI, Wright and Rollins were on base at the same exact rate this weekend (actually Wright slightly higher) so if you thought Rollins &quot;was on base everywhere u looked&quot; then maybe you need to visit the optometrist because your eyes are decieving you.

I guess you also don&#039;t know that Wright leads the NL in Win Shares? But, yeah, forget about that. Who cares about overall excellence in the NL? I mean why give out awards based on superior play when you can rely on faulty perception?

Really, there is no one in the NL having an extraordinary year like A-Rod.  But in all-around play, Wright is at the very top. Hate to burst your bubble, but it&#039;s true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you serious? Holliday has Coors splits. Enuff said.  </p>
<p>Wright is definitely a bonafide MVP candidate if not the leader right now.  You don&#8217;t award the MVP based on 1 series, something you seem to fail to understand. And at any rate, neither Rollins or Wright or anyone else on either team with the exception of Dobbs had a standout series.  So there was nothing to get excited about in terms of the MVP race over the weekend. And FYI, Wright and Rollins were on base at the same exact rate this weekend (actually Wright slightly higher) so if you thought Rollins &#8220;was on base everywhere u looked&#8221; then maybe you need to visit the optometrist because your eyes are decieving you.</p>
<p>I guess you also don&#8217;t know that Wright leads the NL in Win Shares? But, yeah, forget about that. Who cares about overall excellence in the NL? I mean why give out awards based on superior play when you can rely on faulty perception?</p>
<p>Really, there is no one in the NL having an extraordinary year like A-Rod.  But in all-around play, Wright is at the very top. Hate to burst your bubble, but it&#8217;s true.</p>
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