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…yes, i took down the magic number, which had been featured in my site’s sidebar for nearly two weeks…i did so, not from peer pressure, but because, at this point, it’s meaningless…technically, there is no magic number…
…late in the game, knowing full well 
that the Phillies were on their way to a win, and with thousands of fans heading for the exit after the eighth inning, yes, after the eighth inning, i looked up and saw Cow-Bell Man walking through the lower level…he had a look sadness and shock…i had the same look on my face, as well, as did the remaining few who stuck around for the ninth…
…i just keep shaking my head, while looking at the ground, and saying, ‘wow,’ just, ‘wow.’…i mean, what else is there to say…
at this point im not even sure what to say anymore. its hard to still have faith when it seems as though this team is already out on their feet.
I am a little disturbed by these comments on Metsblog including Cerrone’s. I watched the game lastnight too and was more disappointed in the fans. Where are you guys? get frigen loud! It was a lathargic fan base. Maybe thats what the mets need. Everyone needs to think back to last year’s crowd. How insane was it? It was awesome! lets help out our Mets by cheering them tonight. I will be at the game tomorrow and I know I will do my part. SO STOP FEELING SORRY FOR YOURSELF! THE METS NEED OUR SUPPORT. We need to get loud! They did there part all year long.
I was at the game last night and im pretty sure i fractured my hand banging it on the empty seat in front of me. My voice is shot and im so out of shape that im acctually sore today from standing up and trying to will a hit from them. The crowd for the most part outside of the 2 rowdy brothers next to me just seemed terrified. After the botched double play ball by castillo, people gave up and it was depressing. As bad as the loss was, and as miserable as i was after the game, I still left optomistic that we still could pull this off. However when I got home and watched the philly crowd on ESPN, i was truly worried and very depressed. That was the atmosphere i was expecting last night. Soemthign has got to give. Get off your asses and stop acting like spoiled little kids who arent getting their way. Any jackass can be a fan when theyre up by 10 games. Never leave in the 8th either, you sad bunch of babies
ive had enough with the blame the fans non sense, the fans in the 1st inning were acting like it was a playoff game and pedro had everyone riled up, and he got pujols to ground into a double play….oh wait ….so i guess us being loud didnt help a gold glove second basemen field a routine ground ball…enough of this crap
castillo make that play the place errupts….you want us to cheer give us something to cheer about.
How about cheerig about the fact that they can still get in the playoffs. Its the same bunch of players it was 2 weeks ago with a 7 game lead. The stadium was filled then. 3 games left. Suck it up.
all ready have my dirty red sox hat and pajama pants out and ready for the bar this weekend. hopefully we can turn it around
Special note FROM THE EVIL EMPIRE:
Now is not the time for fans to ask WHY questions all of us must stand up and CHEER so loud for this team that we lift it up.. It truly hurt me tonight to see those guys giving there all Pedro, Alou, Wright and the fans not being inspired I know it hurts know but it can be something you laugh at on Monday if THE GUYS can carry the weekend. COME ON NEW YORK COME ON MET FANS ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS CARRY ONE MORE SERIES!!!!!!!!!
It looks like another Yankee come back and WS win like in 1977 and another MET collapse. We have lost all breathing room and now its do or die. We have no choice left, SWEEP the Marlins or its over. We no longer hold our fate in our hands. We must hope that the Nats play as hard against the Phillies as they did against us. We must hope that the Nats will sweep the Phillies or at least take 2 and that we can find the heart and fight to sweep the Marlins, any other outcome spells certain doom for the Mets. We cant beat the Philles in a one game playoff and the PAds are still one game up in the WC. So now it comes down to this. Our fate is in the hands of other teams now and our own ability to play to win. I have zero faith that we can do this. This soo7 version of the Mets has not shown me much to have faith in. I am a fan and I have blind faith that we can win. That faith is based only on my desire to see t hem win and nothing else. We dont have the pitching,our pen sukcs and our bats have not been around when we need them. Well now its time to play or go home. The time for fancy talk and post game rederick is over. ITS TIME FOR ACTION!!!! Its not over yet. The Phillies have the advantage and the momentum. It will be an uphill battle and we are under the gun and overmatched. We have a small chance at best, but, a chance non the less. I will be at Sundays game and if we dont make the playoffs you will hear me BOO so loud and long. Its not that we loose its the way we loose and the way we play that makes me sick. Its that feeling of dread that nolead is good enough and that we will find a way to loose. That feeling is not acceptable and as a fan I will let them know. I urge you all to do the same. If we will shower them in cheers and shake the house and when we loose let the boos rain down on them.
The Mets are there to entertain us, not the other way around.
“There’s two choices: Roll over and start making vacation plans for the offseason, or battle like hell and win this thing,” Mets third baseman David Wright said. “We still feel like this is our division.”
He has got everything correct except that its now the Mets and Phillies Division now.
“At that moment a voice came over me and said, Look up, get up, and don’t ever give up. You tell everyone or anyone that has ever doubted, thought they did not measure up or wanted to quit, you tell them to look up, get up and don’t ever give up.”-Michael Irving
Get up Mets, don’t ever give up Mets and fans.
we better see some blue caps and pin stripes tomorrow…we’re needing that miracle mets vibe
Do you mean Tom Seaver will start and pitch a complete game shutout?
Agreed 100 percent.
its all well and good that wright has figured out the choices they have at this point……..but judging from the past two weeks……it seems as though the team is already booked on the carnival fascination……levaing miami for the western caribbean on tuesday
with umbrella drinks
And dirty naked freaks
i havent had the umbrellas……but this team has caused me to have quite a few this week
I havent done coke since last october – after they lost. getting the itch again
haha
maybe our players should do some lines, it worked in 86
I really hope some of the players saw the Phillies running around, throwing shaving cream pies in the faces of the TV guys, acting like they’d won the division tonight. If that doesn’t motivate the Mets, nothing will.
Perhaps what they need to do is become angry. It might cause them to shrug off the pressure and raise their level of concentration and intensity and just focus on the task at hand. But Willie does not seem like the type of leader that can accomplish this.
i never saw it ending like this. not at any point. i feel embarassment for every boastful comment i made throughout this season.
I hate having to sit back and watch a F*ing wife beater (Brett Myers) crap all over us
The mets are done! cya next year mets! MINUS WILLIE!!!!!!
the jacket probably goes first
Ya know, it really, really sucks to see the words “NY Mets” in the wild card standings.
How could it have come to this?
They’d be fortunate to win the wild card. They won’t. They suck and they’ll be deservedly going home Sunday afternoon. Folks, we are currently witnessing the worst collapse in the history of sports. Take a picture.
Yes, the starters have not gone deep since the glaciers melted (the last time, not this time), the bullpen has collapsed under the workload, and the defense has gone from strength to weakness overnight. The manager seems stumped by rudimentary strategic moves, but the fault for this disaster lies squarely at the feet of the guy who put this team together – Omar Minaya.
It doesn’t take a genius to know that a rotation needs at least one or two guys it can count on to go deep in a game from time to time – a Livan Hernandez type, or a Barry Zito type. If there is no such pitcher, the bullpen will be exhausted. DUH. And so here we are, in the midst of a freefall that will result in an earlier vacation than was planned back in August.
And for the coup de gras, he spends his offseason energies to eviscerate the bullpen, throwing out young, hard-throwing Matt Lidstrom, Henry Owens, Royce Ring and Heath Bell in exchange for, essentially, absolutely nothing. Jon Adkins? Nice move Omar. My 10-year-old said in the winter that they needed a starter. Are you really that stupid? Why yes, you are!
Thanks, Jackass Minaya.
It’s about time.
Guys, just one post tonight. I promise this one is not about Willie, so please read on! I know some of you tend to agree with me and some of you don’t.
Even more disappointing than this team, and their play, I have to say is our fans at the game. I just got back from Shea tonight. I wasn’t going to go, but I am a horrible parent and blew off my son’s parent’s night at school to take him to cheer on our Mets. Well, to my surprise, the place was more than half empty. This was a must win for this team; this team that we have followed for 157 games…I know things are rough. I know we get on them all about everything we do wrong, but at 7:10 every night, we need to get behind them and finish this out strong. So, I ask of you, if you have tickets for the final 3 games, use them. If you can’t find, a Mets fan who wants to go and give them up. If you don’t have tickets, get on Mets.com and pay the $9 for upper reserve and go make Shea stadium rock like its never rocked before. If you want better seats, go on craigslist and buy up some of the corporate seats that are empty. All I am saying is people always complain that they get locked out of the playoff tickets because of this stupid lottery…well, here is your chance to go to the playoffs. This is a 3 game playoff series. You can be there. You have the option. It should only cost you $9 +fees if you really want to be there. If you really are a fan. Its going to be a beautiful weekend. Take the family, take a friend, take a lover…just go and make some noise. This team has been too good to us to let them down after 158 games…
Now…everybody get ready…LETS GO METS, LETS GO METS, LETS GO METS
PS. Notice there wasn’t a “hoot” in between. Its real simple, and it should start every inning for 27 outs for just 3 more days in September.
Best post you’ve ever made NY Cuban and I respect you immensly for it. I’ll be at the game on Saturday trying to will these guys to victory.
It just shows that even though there are so many kinds of us,
the young and the old…
the bandwagons and the diehards…
the “fire willies” and the “he has nothing to do with its…”
and the “I’ve gotta find a bridge and jump” and the “ya gotta believes…”
In the end, were all Mets fans. So lets rally togther, show up and Shea, and watch our boys win this thing!
Get off the drugs.
The days of being positive are over. Met fans have every right not to go to these games…..the stadium should be empty.
Who wants to go see these worthless crapbags take the field anymore? IT’S OVER. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. O-V-E-R.
You know when the Mets lost this game tonight? when they decided to take the field.
the days of being positive are not over until the team is mathematically eliminated. Wallow on Monday, please.
Yours is a sincere and well written plea to the fans and if this was football I would agree with you. In football the roar of the fans emotionally charges the home team and makes it hard for the visiting team to hear the signals. But except in places like the Hubert H. Humphrey Homer Dome or whatever they call it in Minnesota where the decibel level of the noise distracts the visiting team’s concentration and calling for a ball on defense I don’t see where the fans make that much of a difference. For all the years the Braves were wining the division I would turn on a game and see empty seats. For many years the LA Dodgers would win in spite of their fans seemingly disinterest in the game. In fact this team seems to perform better in front of visiting teams fans and in towns where attendance is down (although I haven’t bothered to research the numbers it’s a perception). Somehow this team has to block out all distractions and raise their level of intensity and focus solely on the task at hand. I’m not sure what will cause them to do this.
I probably agree, but it is still depressing as a fan to think that everyone has given up.
Willie has no idea how to manage in the NL. Every game we blew in June, July, is testament to this, I for one wont watch another game that Willie manages. Keep your mustache you failure of a manager.
Im not going to read thorugh the seventy-gillion comments on the post game, but how exactly do you think that willie blew this game?
You know I just watched baseball tonight on ESPN and Orel Hershsiser said the Mets are showing no passion no energy, they haven’t lost anything yet. The Mets are getting out classed by the Phillies both on the field and in the STANDS!!!!!!!!!
Oh my god! In the stands! We’ve been swept by the nationals!!!!! But im sure if we would have cheered a bit louder we would have won all those games. Goddamn youre a moron
that isnt the point. in any sport fans can give a team an edge and can help to disrupt the rythm of another. it happens everywhere……thats part of “home field advantage”
I dont buy that in baseball. The stats dont back it up at all.
which stats are these you are talking about?
its that way in any sport.
Win/Loss records. When in baseball has a home field advantage ever been pointed to as the difference? There arent any set dimensions in baseball parks like in other sports. It’s all about the amount of talent you have and whether or not youre lucky that night
Given that your username is a Baseball Prospectus reference, you should double-check what you’re saying against Clay Davenport. There’s a small (if i recall it makes it 55-45 instead of 50-50) advantage to playing at home.
That said, I’d imagine it has more to do with travel/comfort level/last licks as it has with the fans. Not to mention the Mets are barely a .500 team at home.
A ballclub with a 47-34 road record and a 40-38 home record has home field disadvantage.
BBTN is no source of decent baseball information. Anyone who listens to John Kruk and Steve Phillips and takes it to heart needs to have their head examined
It’s freakin baseball! That’s why no one goes to see the Marlins or the Royals!!! When you lose 7 straight at home, you don’t deserve fans paying a crapload of money to watch you play like crap and LOSE to some last place team!!! Don’t blame the fans for not cheering when you fail to give them anything to cheer about!!!
Is the race over, are there 3 games left? Why when Pedro was pitching tonight was there a ton of empty seats?
You know what the problem is here at least with the fans who are giving up is the complain, but have you ever done anything and not gotten support when the times were rough, have someone not believe in you, not stick it out till the end. They are gonna get paid if the season ends tomorrow or sunday but they are also playing for the fans, and on most occasion when the times were well they fed off the fans. WOuld you like to come to the park and see 5,000 seats empty in the thick of a race. Im sure in life you quit supporting someone you care about as a person, if not then stick with your team support them till the end. Plain and simple I don’t care if you lose to the Staten Island Yankees, go support your team, otherwise you are not fan at all.
We’ve supported them all year!!!! And how have they repaid us??? God all you blind mets fans hurt me. 7 games up in september. You gotta believe that the entire team needs to change next season. In terms of payroll and production we suck. Seriously look at the stats. The FANS who are no paid to play or watch the games have done everything they could. THE PLAYERS HAVE GIVEN UP!!!! ITS TIME YOU DO THE SAME!!!!!!!!!
Wow, you’re really giving up? It’s not like we’re even out of first place yet. Man up… Jesus Christ.
Give me a break. The blame here is NOT on the FANS!!! These guys are PROFESSIONALS and they should act like it. That is the big difference. If they do well, what do the fans get – a raise in ticket prices. If they don’t do well, what do the fans get – thanks for coming and come back again next year.
Bottomline is, if my kid sucked in little league, I’ll still be there because that’s parenting. But if my kid sucked at work, I’ll be the first to fire him. I rooted for the Mets even through the dark ages. I paid for 41 field box tickets. And if that makes me a bad fan, so be it!
I can hardly believe some of the things I’ve read and heard from other “so-called” Mets fans over the course of this week. I’m appalled, frankly. While the mere perception of some, regarding this team, is that the Mets are without heart. Well, I dare to say that it is the fans themselves who have lost heart, faith, or worse…belief. Yes, it’s a disgrace that the Mets have allowed themselves to be in such a position where their season is literally hanging by a thread. But if I’m not mistaken, the definition of a “die-hard” fan is one who stands by their team no matter what. Yet, what I’ve witnessed during the past few days has largely resembled the sight of rats scrambling to abandon a sinking ship. I wager that I am probably one of the youngest Mets fans, in tenure, to read this wonderful blog. As such, I don’t deny other Mets fans their inherent cynicism and never ending expectation of the absolute worst of things. However, if these are the Amazin’ Mets, the team of Tug McGraw and “Ya Gotta Believe,” then for God’s sake, let’s act accordingly as their fans.
It’s not the same team. It’s a team with really bad luck. i’ll be watching all weekend. I cant use my tix for friday night since im broke… but ill still be there rooting, and hopefully not sobbing.
You have it exactly right, there are three games left and at least tomorrow night there should not be one seat empty. Otherwise pick a new team, maybe go root for the Fighting Phils, you guys are no fans, Probably the same fans who go to the games and curse a guy and when they come threw said I knew he could do it
its not a question of not standing behind the team…….but right now as a fan if you arent having some serious doubts about how this is gonna end……your brain may not have fully developed
You really do suck as a fan.
personally.. i think we’re gonna see a monday game.. and the mets are going to win.. too strange what’s been happening to end like this..
that said.. what do some of you people really expect? this team has been a complete and utter disappointment – and that’s not just from the last two weeks. it’s since June! you can’t get on people.. who pour their heart into something.. only to get it stepped on time and time again.. to just say.. ‘hey! i am fan! cheer on!”
i have news for you.. when the game ends.. these players on the mets.. most of them don’t care half as much as some of the fans. i was up close last night.. i saw it on their faces.. as paulie said.. they are just waiting around find a new way to lose. there’s a lot of negative energy running through that stadium now.. and it’s not just from the fans.
Do me a favor, go put down $1000 on the Mets winning the division. Until then, stop bashing people for not believing. Don’t get me wrong, I still want them to make the playoffs and will be rooting for them the next 3 games. But frankly, from watching these guys play the last 2 weeks, I’d rather be taking bets on them not making it than betting on them to make it.
Saying that you can only cirtisize the bandwagon fans if you put $1,000 on the Mets winning the division is a stupid, stupid argument.
First of all, statistically, right now the Mets probably have a 50/50 chance of making the playoffs, and even though I think they will, I dont just have $1,000 to throw away if they lose. Why don’t you wager $1,000 on a coin flip and then we can start to talk about the rest of your rediculous post. Until then, peace out…
So you’re only 50% believing? That’s not really believing is it? If I’m going to get called out by someone for “not believing,” it better be from someone that’s willing to put something valuable behind it. Otherwise, you’re just the same as me whereas it’s great if they make it…but if they don’t, you’re not really losing anyone and life goes on. Clearly, that really doesn’t make you a “BETTER” fan than me!
KFS – you just simply suck. Bad. To imply that the only “real” Met fans are the ones with more money than sense is idiodic. I too don’t have $1000 to “bet” on an outcome. I barely make that in a month. But I root with everything I got, and I can yell just as loud as you. Take that type of arrogant, elitist, showy, money-wasting nonsense post and go cuddle narcyfour. Think before you post, man. Just think. It embarrasses me that we root for the same team. Shame!
Listen buddy, I was just making a point: you’re not really believing just because you say you do. At least I can admit that I don’t think they have a 50% chance of making it based on what I saw the last 2 weeks. I certainly don’t need people who are fake believing crapping on me!
I don’t get you. Do you think us “believing” will have one iota of a difference in the outcome? That sounds awfully superstitious to me! I am not a superstitious person; I am a realist. Right now, the way the Mets are playing and the way the Phils are playing, I think the odds that the Mets win the division are less than 50-50. Of coruse, they could have a turn-around and get hot all of a sudden, and the Phillies could get ice cold, but the probability of that happening is very low.
Of course, I will still be watching the games and rooting for the team that I have followed since 1968. I’ve been through the lean ’70s, the frustrating ’80’s, the embarrassing ’90’s, and the pathetic teams of 2001-2005. I will ALWAYS be a Mets fan. Always. However, that does not mean I have to check my sensibility and common sense at the door every time I enter Shea Stadium. These are professionals and they do not need me cheering blindedly for them when they play shoddy baseball. As another poster put it, they’re not little leaguers that need to be “encouraged” to play hard. This is their job! They better start doing it, or it’s going to be a long – and embarrassing – winter for them AND us!
So you guys are telling me, you hung around the season this long and you can’t support them for 3 more games? Whether it helps or not. Thats a disgrace to watch the game and flip to the Phillies game and they are waving towels and Shea is empty.
all the bandwagon fans have hopped off
and the Phils suddenly have theirs back. you saw the die hard fans on TV after the game was over – standing there just appalled.
Totally agree. All the bandwagon fans who jumped on last year are probably gone. They have found another team or just don’t care. But the die-hards will always be here. I know I am and have been for 34 years and counting.
Yeah, I’m real sure that if the Phillies fans were in our spot, they’d act a lot different.
I’ve watched easily a hundred games this season courtesy of Direct. I’ve attended 3 games at RFK. I just can’t fracking take it anymore. I’ve lost sleep in the past two weeks, I’ve been more snappy at people. I can’t even listen to sports talk radio right now because every time I hear the name METS, I feel like somebody is kicking me in the teeth. ENOUGH! This team deserves what ever they get. They are a bunch of gutless, heartless front runners. They’re play tonight being a prime example. I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to watch baseball again after witnessing this collapse. It’s just left a completely sour taste in my mouth.
The Mets are composed of professional baseball players whose job and drive should be to excel at their profession, reap the monetary rewards and strive to win the most important trophy a WS ring. The Mets announcers were saying it seemed that tonight was a carry over from last nights game against the Nationals when the Mets gave up the lead. The Mets have played all season to get to this point and they let the previous night’s game affect them in such an important game when they have Pedro on the mound. They came out flat. There seems to be a major problem with the psych, drive, pride and desire of this team. But there is no problem with Mets fans and you guys should stop attacking one another. What is happening is not your fault. As one Yankees fan friend of mine said it appears the Mets are a team composed of Ed Whitsons.
Boy, can I relate to your feelings! I will go on, but I am totally frustrated and upset with this team. They are an embarrassment.
I can’t believe the folding that has happened. It’s like watching us loose a championship game each night. The next three days will be interesting, so much for watching football on Sunday. Tied to the tube watching the Metsies.
This season is not over till game 162 is completed. Lets see who the fans are.
I agree. I will be watching and rooting them on along with my 7 year old son. Let’s Go Mets.
BringBackDykstra how long have u been a so called “Met’s Fan”?
This isnt the time to attack eachother. Just head out to work/school tomorrow, come back home, throw on channel 60 (dpending on your cable system), cross your fingers and cheer.
the first superfan post of the night……these crack me up
All i can say is that the Cards are gone, the Nats are gone. There is no point talking about the Phils or anyone but the Mets and how they are gonna get it done, and they will.
WE FACE BK KIM TOMORROW AND NO ONE HAS FAITH? YOU DON’T QUIT ON SOMETHING OR ANYTHING THAT YOU BELIEVE IN OR LOVE. SO IF YOU ARE A SO CALLED DIE HARD FAN, DON’T STOP BELEIVING PICK YOUR HEARTS OFF THE FLOOR STAND UP AND ROOT FOR YOUR TEAM, LETS NOT BOO, JUST CHEER YOUR HEARTS OUT FOR 3 GAMES THATS ALL YOU CAN DO. YOU WANT THE PLAYERS TO GIVE IT ALL, SO AS FANS LETS DO THE SAME.
Chico, Bergmann, Bascik, Pineiro…that’s why I’m worried it’s Kim!!!
Sharpen your knives and get on your brass knuckles fellas. It’s balls to the wall – an all-out street fight to the finish. We can do. WE CAN DO IT!!!!
LET’S GO METS!!!!
Bob Murphy and Lindsey Nelson . . . we summon the power of your spirits to carry us to glory.
Ugh. It’s bleak I know. But rememeber the days with Buddy Harrelson, Dallas Green, Art Howe and just hoping that those games in September would mean something. Well, they do. This is what being a fan is all about, nevermind those games in April and August, it’s those games in September Look at the Devil Rays, the Royals, even the Nationals. Year after year of meaningless September games. Well we’ve got at least three coming up and hopefully more. And I know it’s not the way we’ve wanted it, but they’re here. It’s not over yet.
I was at shea ealier today…and I’ll be there tomorrow. And I’ll keep watching and keep rooting until they’re dead. And I think deep down you all feel the same way, or you wouldn’t be reading this.
So enjoy it if you can, because it doesn’t come around every year. Of course neither does a collapse like this, but who’s counting!
Anyway, let’s go mets.
The problem is, Chuck13171, these SHOULD HAVE been meaningless games! We blew a 7 game lead! Are we supposed to be happy about this? I am totally frustrated and angry with this team. I live in Cardinal territory, and have to face a bunch of pathetic Cardinal fans every day. They were quiet once their beloved Cards were out of the picture. But now that the Mets are close to eliminating THEMSELVES, they are coming out of the woodwork to cheer the Mets downfall.
These friggin’ games against the Nationals and the Marlins SHOULD HAVE BEEN MEANINGLESS GAMES!!!
Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance THE DEFINTION OF FAITH. LETS HAVE IT GOING INTO TOMORROWS GAME, AND THE NEXT TWO CAUSE THE CITY OF PHILLY SUCKS AND I AM FROM PENNSYLVANIA.
I’ve no illusions, whatsoever, about the peril the Mets’ season is in. And I can assure you, if worse does come to worse, I will take my medicine like any true Mets fan would. My “taste” for baseball will go unchanged. My love for the Mets will remain in 2008, and furthermore, I hope that Willie Randolph will return as their manager that year. Any failure to reach the post-season will be a collective one.
I live in Philadelphia. We cannot lose. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? I am already being blamed by my fellow Mets friends for jinxing the team with my bravado aimed at our Phillies’ friends. We have a bet involving 14 friends (7 Mets fans; 7 Phillies fans): the team with the best record at the end of the regular season gets dinner (all you can eat) paid for them by the losing team at The Capital Grille (like Morton’s).
We Must Win. WE WILL WIN!!!!
I live in Georgia, so I know your pain… But it’s even worse here, because at least your home team doesn’t fall below the Mason…
On one hand, I applaud the die hard fans who were there when Wright made the last out. You are true fans to the T. On the other hand, I can’t blame the fans who will not support the team financially right now. No matter what the players say to the media, they are giving off the “we quit” vibe. They lost all momentum starting with the Phils sweep. So when you have a team who has obviously thrown in the towel, a GM who failed to improve the team during the offseason and at the trading deadline, and a manager who took 2 things with him from the Yankees (1. how to kill a bullpen and 2. no fire), why should we shell out over $100 just to watch bad baseball. at a pisshole of a stadium with no parking. The Marlins, Cards, and Nats should be the teams that have packed it in, not the Mets.
Manny Acta for manager!
I have the luxury of cheering on the Mets in the last few games of the REGULAR season from one of the most beautiful places in the US, Jackson Hole, Wyoming.
When I get back home to Cheyenne, Wyoming on Monday, I have 2 days to wash my Mets hoodie and my Beltran jersey in time for the start of the Mets NLDS against whoever
LETS GO METS!!!!
I still think this team only needs one win to get back on track. Only thing is, now it’s gotta be tomorrow night. I really believe that if the Mets win tomorrow night, they can and will sweep the Marlins . . . IF it’s a convincing win. And by “convincing,” I specifically mean NOT a game where they roar out to a 6-0 lead only to hang on for a 6-5 win with a shaky Wagner giving up a run in the ninth. I mean the full package–quality start from Ollie, a couple of not cover-your-eyes-awful innings out of the pen, and an offense that finds its rhythm again. If that comes together tomorrow night, I say we win three in a row.
But the team has to start believing in itself first. And I haven’t seen much, if any, of that since before the throwaway game in Cincinnati earlier this month . . . which looked an awful lot like tonight’s game, don’t you think?
First off, don’t bash the “bandwagon fans” for their tirades and curses. Look, this is frustrating. We love the Mets and we hate seeing them lose…we hate seeing them collapse. A forum like this let’s us vent in whatever way we need to. Some will resort to eternal optimism and others to carnal anger but everyone is entitled.
Secondly, bashing Willie is not the rantings of an uneducated fan. The role of a manager includes both guidance and motivation. Motivation requires emotion. Willie has to show that this is affecting him. Instead he has the look of malaise. He has job security and a nice salary…to him its a job. I question if its really a passion. This is a legitimate concern.
Third, we all say we are throwing in the towel but the truth is NONE of us are. We are secretly flipping the channel back to the game during commercial breaks and we are ALL on MLB.com hoping and praying. So let’s be real…no one is giving up even if they say they are.
Do you believe in miracles?
The answer is yes and we’re witnessing one right now….just not for us.
I certainly do. And if there is a team that’s due for a miracle, it’s “our” Mets.
There is no magic solution to make this work. Everything is going against the Mets. Castillo making errors. Wagner looking like Mota. Glavine looking like Lawrence, hitters looking like Babe Ruth one day and Charlie O’Brien the next.
The team needs a lift. Someone to give them that one hit, that one inning, that makes everyone open their eyes. In the past it would be Jose Reyes energizing the team with his hustle and joy. But that has vanished over the last three months. If there was ever a time Jose Reyes needed to dig deep it is now. The hits – or lack-there-of – are okay, but the Mets need his energy. Need him hoping around the dugout slapping hands, doing dances, etc. They need him to do it, regardless of what Willie or anyone else thinks.
Jose – I call on you to be the true energizer bunny for the next three games. A bunny like we’ve never seen before. Drink a lot of Red Bull if you have to, but the Mets – WE – need your energy.
Hate to burst your bubble bro, but I dont think Reyes reads this blog.
Thanks. . . . I wasn’t sure. :rolleyes:
Motivating the team is the manager’s job, not the fans or even other players. I agree, a player like Reyes can motivate them. But when you have a 41 year-old hitting the cover off of the ball, shouldn’t that motivate them? Or Wright, having a near MVP season, shouldn’t that motivate them? The blame for their lack of motivation falls on their lifeless manager – not on their fans or their teammates.
This is how a certain Mets fan feel like right now:
2 Field Box Seats against bottomfeeders – $94
2 Sausages – $13
6 bottles of beer – $43.50
Seeing a Mets win – Priceless.
For everything else…ugh
Thing that kills me is… this game should not have meant anything. I was at Shea tonight and yes, I was miserable watching the scoreboard as the Phils put up 6 before the Mets even got a hit. But I can’t blame the offense for this disaster – occasionally you run into a pitcher who shuts you down. These guys have been putting up 6,7 runs almost every game for the last 10 games.
One win in that last home series against Philly, one win against the Nats (maybe Wednesday when we’re up 6-2?) and we’re 3 up and need to win one to clinch. If Sosa and Feliciano could have held a three run lead in Miami last Thursday, maybe we’re sipping champagne right now.
This team does not finish – the third strike, the third out – and it begins and ends with the pitching. There is no faith in that bullpen among fans, the coaching staff (no matter what Willie says) or the position players. You only get a limited number of opportunities to finish off a team during a game or series – these guys are all pros, no matter if it’s Pujols or some dude who’s been in Double-A all year. If you don’t capitalize, you will lose.
Honestly, I can’t see them winning another game with all the negativity surrounding them. I hope somebody steps up and the Phillies have a hangover tomorrow, otherwise I don’t think I can watch another baseball game for a long time.
Lets bring back marvelous marv thoneberry. He showed more passion running the bases (i mean missing them…)
I can’t believe this has happened. I just moved to Dallas last month and thought I would enjoy October baseball from here and now it doesn’t matter. The worst part I hate to say is that Jimmy Rollins may be proved right!
There’s only one thing left to say….
YA GOTTA BELIEVE!!!
Whining and second-guessing and complaining will do nothing now. We’ll have all winter to do that anyway. For now there’s only one thing we, as fans, can do.
BELIEVE!!!
Get Shea rocking this weekend!
-Adam
Tug McGraw’s famous saying, “You gotta believe!”, was directed toward his teammates, not the fans.
We need a Tug McGraw to stand up and start telling his teammates that. I fear it is too late though. I hope not.
They’d be fortunate to win the wild card. They won’t. They suck and they’ll be deservedly going home Sunday afternoon. Folks, we are currently witnessing the worst collapse in the history of sports. Take a picture.
Yes, the starters have not gone deep since the glaciers melted (the last time, not this time), the bullpen has collapsed under the workload, and the defense has gone from strength to weakness overnight. The manager seems stumped by rudimentary strategic moves, but the fault for this disaster lies squarely at the feet of the guy who put this team together – Omar Minaya.
It doesn’t take a genius to know that a rotation needs at least one or two guys it can count on to go deep in a game from time to time – a Livan Hernandez type, or a Barry Zito type. If there is no such pitcher, the bullpen will be exhausted. DUH. And so here we are, in the midst of a freefall that will result in an earlier vacation than was planned back in August.
And for the coup de gras, he spends his offseason energies to eviscerate the bullpen, throwing out young, hard-throwing Matt Lidstrom, Henry Owens, Royce Ring and Heath Bell in exchange for, essentially, absolutely nothing. Jon Adkins? Nice move Omar. My 10-year-old said in the winter that they needed a starter. Are you really that stupid? Why yes, you are!
Thanks, Jackass Minaya.
What if the Mets make the playoffs? Do you suddenly root for them again or what? I thought Braves fans were terrible, but sheesh… You gotta be kidding me…
You didn’t need to repost your already ignorant rant. I had the misfortune of reading it once before. The jackass is you, not Minaya.
Remember in Ghostbusters II how there was a river of evil, pink slime under Manhattan that was feeding of the negativity of this city? (Bear with me here.)
I have been a die-hard for over 20 years, through some pretty rough seasons, and this has without a doubt been the hardest season to watch for a number of reasons, especially after last year. Has this team underachieved? Of course they have. Has Willie/Omar made decisions that were, at best, questionable? Sure. Has the train wreck that has been the last few weeks, been painful to watch? Hell yes. But right now none of that matters, and spewing negativity about it only makes everything worse.
It’s like when there is a crisis and there is always the people, who would rather complain and throw around blame, then do something productive to fix it.
Remember the stretch in the middle of the season where we were playing horrible and it felt like we were freefalling and couldn’t catch a break for close to three weeks, but then without warning something just changed one day and we started winning again.
We have three days, and this is an immensely talented team, and anything can happen, either they can right this ship, or they can’t. And feel free to boo or bicker incessantly when this season is over, but it’s not the time for that now, if you are fan and love the Mets, quit your whining and support this team, because they need us now.
I don’t pretend to assert that the fans always make a profound difference, but how we act does make a difference. We have become that evil pink slime. They players are people, and I don’t care if they are ‘professionals’ they are still human beings, and to pretend that they are impervious to their surroundings is ridiculous. It’s hard to do your job well knowing the second you mess up, thousands of people are going to jump all over you. While being critical is our birthright as New Yorkers, a little patience won’t kill us. The relationship between the fans and the team has been contentious this year; maybe there is a reason that our record is much better on the road.
I was flipping to the Phillies/Braves game during commercial breaks and I was just amazed with how (and I never thought I would say this) we are getting outclassed by the Phillies fans. Yeah, granted they have been winning, but there was just palatable electricity in that crowd, an energy that just felt like it was propelling their team onward, and contrast that with a half empty Shea on one of the most important games of the season.
This team needs all the help they can get from us right now. We still have a chance at postseason baseball, and our fates will be determined in the next three days, so now is the time to put our differences, and all this negatively behind us and rally behind this team as a unified front of Mets fans, and support the Mets unconditionally, because they still have a shot, but they aren’t going get to the promise land without us.
Let’s go Mets.
Procrastimetor – you made this comment:
“…spewing negativity about it only makes everything worse”. Please explain what you mean by that, I am curious.
Do you mean that the Mets will be more motivated if us fans do not complain, do not threaten to boycott, and do not give up on them, or vice versa? I think that if players feel the fans are giving up on them, perhaps they may try harder. That’s how it works in real life anyway. People aways try harder when their job is on the line. These lifeless, unmotivated players need to sense that perhaps their jobs may be on the line if they don’t kick it in.
Of course, I could be wrong. Go ahead and accept their lackluster play, perhaps they will turn it around knowing we love them no matter how terrible they play!
When the Mets make the playoffs, I sincerely hope the non-believers/bandwagoners/”what have you done for me lately” so-called “fans” don’t win any playoff tickets. I was at the game tonight, shocked to see an empty stadium with Pedro Martinez pitching and our division lead on the line. Have fun waving your towels around. That is all.
Yay Mets! The way you guys clicked on the field, playing that beautiful crisp game. The way you guys picked each other up offensively, doing all the little things right, taking advantage of pitcher’s mistakes, working the count deep and forcing out that other starting pitcher early, yay Mets! Knocking out those last place teams, making those other guys fear you, nailing that visiting team that took a plane trip for one meaningless game and really taking advantage of them — Great job!
I stayed there right to the last pitch, never booed once, and they still lost. So, um, when exactly can I start blaming the team? Just curious, because I am going again this weekend, and I’d hate to feel guilty that it was my fault for not having enough faith.
Phew. Just had to get that out. Now please win every game for the rest of this year, thank you!
After the game last night as I turned off the TV and went to bed I felt this feeling of peace and calm. I hadn’t felt that way for the past two weeks. I actually was able to sleep last night. What does it mean? I don’t know. I just woke up with a renewed sense that the Mets are going to somehow win this thing. I haven’t felt like this in weeks.
….six martinis will do that for you.
Obviously being in this position isn’t a good thing but that’s what it is. I wonder if they may actually be more relaxed out there now because the fear of choking this thing away and being caught is gone. Granted they could come out and play tighter than ever but for some reason I think the opposite will happen. I know I actually feel relieved that the ‘waiting to lose’ the lead part is over, now just go get it done.
well.. i think a lot of us have been saying for a couple of months that this team needs to feel second place to truly wake up. but with 3 games to go.. that’s not what we had in mind.
we’re playing Monday in Philly.. and we’re going to win. I am telling you.. I feel it. This whole trip has been really strange.. and I refuse to believe it ends like this [even though reality is telling me an oh-so different story]
Lets say (in my mind) best case scenario, Mets and Phils tie for division. Who pitches the one game playoff? It shouldn’t be Pedro, Perez, Maine, Glavine, due to rest. El Duque (who might pitch from the pen again this weekend)? That leaves Pelfry!!!??
……Brian Lawrence? :)
THE METS ARE NOT GOING TO LOOSE THIS DIVISION!
The whole season comes down to three games against Florida. This is awesome. When the Mets win, we will all feel pure bliss. If they loose, then you saw something of historic value and you tip your hat to another team who wanted it more. Either way you will remember it for the rest of your life. Enjoy it fans. One thing is for certain, this team’s character will be revealed.
I STILL BELIEVE!!!! Lets go Mets go!
As bad as the Mets have played in the last 14 games (4-10), thePhillies also had to go 11-3 just to catch them. Not tht it matters, but if the Phils had just gone, say, 9-4 (about what was expected by most people, nd certainly a good finish) the Mets are still up by 2 games and waiting to clinch.
So the Phils certainly have done their part to earn this tie.
Bu, it is a 3 game season now (with a potential tie breaker of course). They just took 3 in a row from the Marlins. Just do it again.
Tonight, Ollie can stabalize things with another strong start, then we go from there.
Look, if they are playing at home, against the last place team, season on the line, and B-H Kim is starting (era of 10+ in the last 3 starts!), and they can’t win, then they really don’t serve it!
Also, by being tied, they have to be in first place as long as they win.
The Phils are also perfectly capable of losing one to the Nats.
So, Met sweep, phils lose 1, move on to October!
Hey folks, if you’ve really lost faith–I’ll take your NLCS lottery password.
Shame, disgrace, and cowardice: your season has come.
The unfortunate truth is that the Phillies will probably lose one game to the Nats if any. I want to win but it’s almost too late to win at this point.
What else is there to say, eh? I can think of one thing to say…
“Skillsets, you were right. We were wrong. You saw this coming months ago. We stuck our heads in the sand. Boy, do we feel dumb now.”
I’m open for business on this.
By the way, I really hate being right all the time.
NYP:
The Mets’ 1999 collapse is eerily reminiscent of the current freefall. The Mets lost eight out of nine in the last two weeks. But they rebounded to sweep the Pirates on the last weekend, got help from the Brewers (who beat the Reds twice), and made it to a Monday play-in game at Cincinnati, which they won.
2 games over .500 at home… horrible.
7 straight losses at home … horrible.
ranked LAST in ERA amongst NL teams at home.. disgusting
past 6 games vs. the lowest scoring team in the league: 57 runs, 77 hits and 32 walks.. starters avg’d 4.1 innings .. putrid
follow that up with what? 5 hits in the last 14 innings of baseball.. vile and pathetic.
i have news for you.. things like this from this team have been going on since June. they are roughly .500 in the past 100+ games.. that’s no coincidence.. that’s who you are. they pissed away TONS of good starting pitching this year.. JOSE REYES has completely regressed and been AWFUL in the 2nd Half.. and their bullpen is as flammable as kerosene.
this team needs a hero in a big way.. a guy to go unconcious .. and carry us through the weekend.. it’s a simple as that. we need a monster to be let out of the cage. because.. unfortunately.. it seems.. they are content to go out like this.
I don’t know who was smoking something at Shea last night, but the Mets DO NOT have the worst ERA at home.
The Phillies ERA at CBP is like 4.95.
Faith, its a hard sell when you team looked dead with your hall of fame pitcher, who by the way came back from shoulder surgery, holds the other team to 3 runs. Faith, is hard to have when your team lost a 6.5 game lead with 17 to play. Faith, is hard to have when you team gets swept by the phillies twice and the nats in your own stadium. Faith, is hard to have when its starting to feel like 1987 all over again. Now, the Marlins come in and we are supposed to win 3 straight when we couldn’t even win one against the Nationals?
I am not going to go to the stadium to watch the remaining three games….I will stay home and watch from afar because what i am seeing is hurting too much to spend 200 bucks on. I’d rather use that money for something else. All i know is that this team better start some youth next year because it looks like it got old quick.
Delgado is done, I cannot see him being brought back. Castillo’s knees are shot…, Alou is the only one who is old and given effort. Glavine should retire.
Next Year we should have the following
New 1B, New 2b, New #2 starter (No Glavine), No El Duque (gets injured too much), No Sele, Give Mota some HGH, keep Sosa in the bullpen. We need length in the starters (7+ innings).
How about letting Pelfrey, Humber, Ollie P. , Maine and Pedro pitch? That 5 man rotation I think would be better than this year’s version.
This feels like 1987 all over again….ugh..
LL
I’ve been expressing my concern since last September, when they packed it in, but were so far ahead, it didn’t matter.
The team has no heart or fire. It showed constantly when they would get embarrassed (many times this year), and they wouldn’t come out and make a statement with their play (the attitute like “we’re NOT letting you or anyone do THAT to us again”). They don’t do that, they get swept, and they just roll over. Shawn Green (I really like him as a player) gets thrown at, and practically appologizes to pitcher (I can’t remember who it was). This team has no killer instinct, and I think one of the biggest examples of that is Delgado. He’s just always smiling and joking around until the camera focuses on him. It doesn’t matter if they are winning, or losing by ten runs in the last game of a sweep. He still chats with the opposing players when they get to first, and so on. I seems like he doesn’t care, win or lose, (fist-pump notwithstanding).
I was at the game and saw cow bell man with a look on his face like we were at a funeral. I was hurtin bad watchin this game. Seeing Cowbell man like that made me realize that true Mets fans are like a family in that they cheer together and hurt together.
Matt, How do you get the great Mr. Met images? Are you dressing up as Mr. Met and doing a photo-shoot?
I think you kinda missed the point. I took that as more of a call to arms, then a “our fans suck.”
It wasn’t that we suck…it was that we sucked tonight. Tonight should have been a playoff game atmosphere and there were more than half the stadium empty. There is no reason why it should be like that this weekend. If there are tickets, what could be better than to get behind your team and scream your head off for the next 3 days. Its what being a fan is all about.
And in case you don’t know my usual posts, I hate this team. I think they are soft, I think they don’t play fundamental baseball, and I think the manager is mostly to blame…but that doesn’t mean that I can root against them or will give up on them. Once the last out is made in the last game, I hope that Omar makes some big time changes for 2008…but tonight is not the time to discuss those.
Why bother coming back in March then if that’s how you feel?
I think the call to arms should be focused on the guys in club house. I’ve been to 20 plus games this year and normally would be blowing tons of cash to get tickets by any means necessary in a pennant race like this… I think if the fans are not showing up like we’ve always done in big spots it’s a statement to Fred and lil Jeffy we are not going to tolerate this garbage… get guys in here that want to win and a competent manager to lead them and I will gladly hand over my hard earned dollars…. I can’t even watch this team anymore let alone feel i’m paying part of randolphs paycheck… no way!
Point the finger at the team.. not the fan who can’t stomach this garbage product on the field
BTW, it was a make-up game, so tickets had previously been sold for it.
you have no credibility.
you’ve been wildly attacking willie for a while now.. all of it misdirected anger..
and forgetting that for now. i was at last night’s game. on the mets dugout.. best seats i’ve had.. screaming at the mets to wake up.. not to go down like this.. encouraging them.. all of it. the empty look on their faces says it all. the fact is.. the horrible horrible negative NY fans.. who are just dolts.. like yourself.. have been booing this team ALL YEAR!
this team is barely .500 at home.. and have lost 7 straight.. you think that’s a coincidence that they’ve been playing like crap at home all year?
and i will tell you one more thing about this team.. they might have been done when they blew that 6-2 lead the other night. the fact that they managed just two hits for the next five frames.. followed by just 3 hits last night.. i don’t what else you can expect right now.
we need a hero. we need a monster game from someone. we need jose reyes (who has been TERRIBLE for two months now).
something has to break.
No, I still hate Willie, but I love my team. I don’t go to shea and boo. I have said it a million times on this blog…at 7:10, all is forgotten and you get behind the team. Most of the time I leave scratching my head that we have such a moronic manager, but that doesn’t mean I’m there booing. I was the only guy that was up in my section last night. Yelling until the final out. Yelling positive things.
And for the person who said this was a make-up game, newyork.craigslist.org. Check it out. You can usually get face value tickets from fans who can’t go and just want to make some money back.
and to all that i say you want us to cheer give us something to cheer for the crowd was totally into that top of the 1st and what happened, luis castillo a GOLD GLOVE 2nd Basemen makes an atrocious error on a routine DP ball….the crowd has nothing to do with it.
wow the crowd was in it for half an inning, saw an error and gave up? I’m impressed.
im not saying thats why they gave up im saying the crowd obviously isnt the cause for their play, it doesnt effect them at all whether we cheer or dont they still have to execute. this isnt f***ing little league, these are grown men fully aware of the situation, make all the excuses you want the players are blowing this not the fans.
of course the players are blowing it….not the fans, but the point is, the fans at Shea have been spoiled and expectant all year. They’ve been booing a first place team since July. This same group of players has the best road record in the league. At home, they can’t get it done, the difference there is the fans. And be sure Mets fans show up on the road .. and they come and they cheer and they stay positive and they stay ’til the end.
They had the best road record in baseball last year. I guess we had a completely different set of fans then, right?
It is assinine to blame the fans for the Mets lackluster play at home. When you have one of the best assembled teams in baseball – and one of the highest salaries – you expect more from a team. Fans don’t boo when players are doing their jobs, they boo when they play with no heart. Castillo blowing that DP ball last night is a good example. Knowing how pathetic their bullpen is right now, they cannot afford to play that way and give up unearned runs. If I was there, I would have booed Castillo. They look terrible in the field and at the plate. Except for Wright, Alou, Martinez, and Degado, the bunch of them look like they already checked out for the winter.
All in all, I lay the blame on Willie’s overuse of the bullpen and Omar not getting us a starter over the winter. EVERYONE knew they needed one. After a long season, that fact is glaringly obvious.
I meant HOME record in baseball (with the Yankees).
actually, no it’s not the same as last year with the fans. Last year they were optimistic and hopeful, this year, it’s expectant and spoiled. Huge difference.
Jose x3,
I could not agree more. I hate the wave and refuse to do it. I’m there to see the game. I don’t want someone standing up in front of me while a 3-2 pitch is on the way.
Kudos on your post, Stache, except for the cursing, which I abhor.