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First, watch the crowd at Shea Stadium as the third out is recorded in the Mets 3 to 0 loss to the Cardinals last night:
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Now, watch the crowd last night at Citizens Bank Park in Philadelphia, as Brett Myers struck out Kelly Johnson to secure a 6 to 4 Phillies victory over the Braves:
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…tough to watch, huh…could these atmospheres be any different…wow…there must be a new mantra as Shea this weekend…’believe or leave,’ and i’ll be watching till’ the last out…
Uh gee, why would the atmosphere be different…..I wonder…..
Oh wow. So the crowd acts differently at the end of a loss that happens during a two week collapse and drops their team into a tie for first place for the first time in months, than at the end of a win during a huge hot streak that takes their team into first for the first time all year. Thanks captain obvious.
Yea, the crowd at Shea needs to pick it up but honestly this was a stupid post.
I wonder why the “experts” of sports fanaticism fail to mention the 65-35% Mets fans at CBP when they played the Mets this year and prior to Philadelphia going on their”run.” This happened so often that announcers would comment on it during the game.
Maybe all the Philly fans were injured and had to stay home because they fell off the bandwagon.
was there a reason to have no one come to the park on mon tues wed and thurs WHEN THEY WERE IN FIRST PLACE?!?! dude, you dont get it.
the crowd matters.
Because they knew they were in store for a night of atrocious baseball?
Being a fan has nothing to do with being right.
I get it, but comparing the atmosphere at the end of a crippling Mets loss, and the atmosphere at the end of a huge Phillies win doesnt make sense. Of course they are going to be different. I’d be worried if the crowd had no reaction to a Mets win. When you let Joel Pineiro shut you down for 8 innings in a must win game, I think the crowd is going to be taken out of it.
I spent alot of time at the games I went to this month drowning out the boos with a Lets Go Mets chant, but honestly, its time for the mets to reward our loyalty with something, a spark.
They’ve been different all week, dude. Shea has been dead.
Umm, and that surprises you – one team has been on an absolute tear – the other is tanking. I saw a group of fans last night eager to explode at the first signb of life. They Aloooooooooued like crazy for Moises’ great catch – but that was all there was last night to cheer for.
I hope the crowd nervousness and angst is seared into Omar’s and the Wilpons’ brains as an impetus to make some serious changes.
The crowd matters? Tell that to the Mets front office, who figure it’ll be better with 12k of them.
It’s hard to cheer something in the process of underperforming. You know they’re capable of more, but they’re not giving it to you. The problem here is not the fans, because we most certainly were cheerier at other parts of this ‘collapse’.
And bottom of the 9th, game 7 last year, everyone was cheering as loud as they had all season. They weren’t cursing Heilman(yet) or criticizing..
your right, fan cheering does not always results in a victory, but it sure does help. As a player, a loud, crazy shea stadium gives you extra incentive to make that great play, or that hit. It doesnt always turn out to work, but it definately helps. Much more so than when the crowd is so silent you can hear a peanut vendor behind home plate from the outfield bleachers.
“Believe or leave”…love it D.J. It’s now or never everyone!
I can almost hear David Wright’s voice during the Ground Rules promo at Shea at the bottom of the first inning….
“Philly fans are the best fans in the world….”
Phillies fans are reacting to their team. Their team that has heart, guts, determination, and fire.
As opposed to our “team” which has precisely none of that. Mets fans are behaving now exactly as they should. The Mets have earned this response from the fans. Frankly, the Mets don’t deserve any better.
much like their fans right now. why do i have the feeling that you are a phillies fan. what possibly could a true fan of this team have trying to convince people NOT TO BELIEVE IN THEIR TEAM. you people are sick weird masochists.
BELIEVE OR LEAVE
Mets “fans” lately have been more of a joke than the team has. Listen, we are stuck with what we got. Too late for changes/excuses. So the teams playing like crap…waaaa. Quit crying and lets get behind the team. The Phils are the most losingest team in sports history, are perennial losers who always come up short and/or blow it, yet their fans are going nuts with support. You so-called “fans” who are throwing in the towel over a stretch of bad losses are a disgrace to this fan base.
Nobody is throwing in the towel – if they are, they deserve our ridicule, But lots of people are passionate Mets fans are passionately angry and saddened. How could they not be?
The point of this post is lost on me. Of course the fans of the team who’s on a tear are going to be pumped up. By the way, you also fail to note that Phillie fans are the worst bandwagoners in the world. You think the booing at Shea was bad? If the Phillies were collapsing like the Mets are right now, they’d be hanging people from the rafters at Citizens Bank.
Exactly right, Toasty!
are we not better fans than philly fans? just cheer dude. come and cheer. itll make you feel better. cheer til youre horse. its really fun
Exactly. So if Phils fans are bandwagoners and only cheer when they are doing well, that makes it OK if we mets fans do the same? Is that what I am supposed to take from your post?
No, the point of my post was for anyone to hold Phillie fans up as some bastion of righteousness and goodness is absurd.
Point taken. Now can we be the bastion of righteousness and goodness, instead of being like Phillies fans when their team is down?
mets fans have been crappy all week. we were down by three, and that entire game was DEAD. i was there!
i was loud! i always am, and no one jumped in with me. you guys GET IT TOGETHER.
please stop ordering fans to cheer. it makes me not want to.
Not ordering, asking. And giving our opinions on why.
well i think everyone gets it by now.
a big bunch of whiny babies, mets fans are.
I think the players *could* feed off of this — fans lately have been called out for not being there, not being into it, and I’m sure the players have heard a little bit about that by now, or noticed it themselves. It’s the same stuff that is being said about them. Thus, maybe if the fans stand up and cheer loudly, the players will embrace it and follow suit. It’s easier for us to change it, there is not an opposing team of fans trying to keep us down in our seat. So it’s worth the rallying cry to get up and get going… I know it’s hard to be told what to do but the more rhetoric the better in this case, I think. I like the rah-rah stuff from fans, even behind the scenes.
So thats it huh? Your just gonna quit? Mets are collapsing so your done before its even over?
Agreed in regards to the Phillies fans. That obviously goes without saying. But can’t we at least show up? Is that crazy?
Yesterday was a a rain makeup game – harder to get tix to than a normal game.
The Mon, tues, Wed. draws were not good asnd I commented about them at the time to my friends/cousins (most of whom were at Shea). That was inexcuseable. But as for the fans that were there being down on the team in those games – I think it is understandable.
Frankly, i heard and saw less booing or fire willie chants than I saw sadness and shock and muted anger.
And why is everyone so quick to dismiss this play as a lack of heart? That is BS. I know from my years of playing all different sports that heart only goes so far. You can play your hardest and with all the passion in the world and still come up short. That stuff happens. Furthur, you have no idea what is in the minds of the players. Your assertion that they play with no heart is based on no facts, purely speculation and emotion. You really think this team WANTS to go down as one of the worst choke jobs in history? You think anyone on the team wants their names and legacies to be associated with such a thing? Please….
I’m certain the players don’t want to go down as the worst choke job in history. Few chokers want to choke or be remembered as such. But what else do you call the way the Mets have played for the past two weeks? Is their awful play a result of fans who won’t cheer them properly? I hope they prove me wrong but they have done little to make us believe they will get the sweep they need this weekend.
i agree, they have not. But the past, even yesterday, is irrelevant. Today is a new day.
Bottom line is, Perez is pitching tonight and I like those odds. If they win 3 they’ll be in and all this will be forgotten. I’ve been rooting for this team for 30 years and am not going to stop now.
It is a lack of confidence, not heart, and having 40K people standing behind you actually believing in you for the first time in weeks *could* be a shot of adrenaline that *could* work it’s way into confidence, which is contagious once they get some.
Hop on.
I CANNOT believe this site – supposedly the representative of Mets Fans(!) has decided to not get mad at the players or moron manager but rather have declared war on their fellow fans.
Lovely.
believe or leave dude. mets fans SUCK
What are you, a baseball Nazi?
if you leave the game before the last out is recorded this weekend and if you leave because in yr mind all is lost, than you dont believe. dont believe and stay, sure i dont give a crap, but do yourself a favor and cheer.
what good is getting mad at the players or coaches gonna do? How is abandoning your team gonna help this team win the next 3 games? Like i said earlier, this is our team and we are stuck with what we got. So lets make the most out of it.
I’m not abandoning anything, I go to ten-fifteen games a year (while living in OREGON)! But, my goodness, let’s direct the anger on this site where it belongs – not at fellow fans who are just frustrated but at the players and management who have screwed the pooch.
I hope Shea is rocking tonight. It ought to be. But, if they play more listless ball and tank to BHK and the friggin Fish with more sloppy play – I will certainly understand the boos and Fire Willie chants. Frankly, I think it’s healthy. In Europe, they have soccer riots. We just boo.
As for teh believe or leave crap – I have believed in teh Mets all my life – with FAR worse teams than this bunch. I believed during the Howe era, the Bamburger era, etc. I also yelled ” Sisk Sucks” and hoped the team would get better players/managers all while I supported the team.
I believe in America – but I may dislike the president or the congressional leadership and want major changes made. That’s all this is.
Now, as for people leaving Shea early – that I do not get.
my post was not really directed at you, more to the negative met fans out there who seem to want to throw the team under the bus. Its not the time for that right now, now is the time to support and be loud.
I’ll second that.
Is this the first post you have read? It’s been 159 games, this is the first week I have seen anyone getting on the fans, who have been weak wthout any debate. And I didn’t see anyone declaring war until you said it, grammar issues notwithstanding. I see this all as an attempt at a rallying cry to get behind our team as a unit.
wow. one thing i realize thats sad about the ny mets fan base right now is that when someone tries to make the way out analogy (and guys and analogy is supposed to be at times hyperbole) of comparing this situation to war, or cancer, they say, wow, thats way to extreme. they arent even close to being the same.
the fact is, if you cant believe in your a baseball team you really wont have a good chance of rooting for something that is alot more difficult to endure. this is supposed to be fun. go and cheer. believe or leave.
lets go mets….to all you negative mets fans leave already we will be fine celebrating with real fans at shea this weekend
also why cant shea hand out rally towels or something to get the crowd involved
yeah i am going to bring a tshirt just in case.
Despite all this “Believe or Leave” Nonsense, I’ve decided to try and go Saturday. But fans have a right to be dissapointed, hell, I’ve barely been able to stomach watching the games. So knock it off, a slogan doesnt make you cool.
you will feel alot better after the game, going to the stadium, cheering, believing and not leaving.
LOL, nice.
at least our fans have better video recording devices…
but to be fair, the Mets fans were at the end of a Mets loss where they got 1 guy past first base, the Phillies fans were at the end of a win where the pulled into a tie for first place. No fans are into it at the end of a home team 3-hit loss. I’d rather see video of the first innings of each respective game to gauge the difference between fan bases. I still think right now Citizens Bank Park would have been rocking and Shea would have been relatively tame, but it would have been a little close, one would hope.
In summation of all my posts, we as mets fans need to be better than this. The situation is quite simple, there are 3 games left that we need to win. Sure, we should not be in this situation as we should have clinched awhile ago, but we didnt. The fact that we didnt is irrelevant right now. The only thing that matters is that we have 3 games left, and we are tied. Now, if you want to dwell on the fact that we have played like crap the past couple weeks, go ahead. I think that is the dumbest thing to do, and it equates us with Phils fans and Yanks fans. But we are mets fans, and we are different. It only takes 1 game to turn it all around. There is nothing that makes you feel that it will, but that doesnt mean that it won’t. So stand by your team, get rid of the negativity until it is completely over. LETS DO THIS AS A TEAM.
Hear hear Matt! I’ll be there in the upper deck with a sign in my hands and a smile on my face. It’s time for us to step up and be the tenth man!
It was DJ’s post.
You can sit on your hands and wait for the Mets to give you some reason to cheer, I will be there tonight and pro-actively rooting for the Mets to get back on track.
BELIEVE OR LEAVE.
LETS GO METS!!!!
I am a bit offended to be compared (negatively) to a bunch of Phillies fans who watched a great game with a wonderful result.
I was at the game last night, rooting, cheering, standing, hoping for strike-outs, jumping up after every well-hit ball.
But after this awful collapse, and after last night’s game, I am somehow less of a fan for hanging my head? Please. And they are better fans for going nuts over a great accomplishment? Ugh.
Might have been better to just show the Mets video, and point out the sad empty seats during a tight pennant race.
But to compare those two games last night and then the fans reactions, that is way off base.
but but but but. if bees and nuts. quit all the buts. and cheer. you guys whining is getting old. it hasnt helped you. it hasnt helped this team.
Don’t think you got my point: I am not whining about the team so much as the choice of posts.
I am supposed to watch Phillies fans celebrate after a great game and become more motivated to cheer for my team after a loss?
yes.
Good answer. :)
can’t wait to read all the posts entering 2009 about citifield not having enough seats…
Zen,
I ususally disagree with you – but you’re spot on with that comment!
Why do so many of you harbor this asinine belief that what goes on in the stands has ANY effect on the game on field?
Matt, they do not WIN because of you cheering, and they do not lose because of my booing.
All of you homers just need someone to lash out at. It’s ok, you can blast the players who actually lose the games as opposed to people who express their feelings differently than you
Sorry Matt, I mean DJ…
no effect huh? Whats the point of home field advantage then? The players know whats been going on, and they know they have been blowing it lately. The last thing they need is a fan base with no enthusiasm, furthur contributing to the lack of confidence in the clubhouse. You think fans booing you off the field every night really helps a player/teams confidence? I think it just makes them keep saying “maybe we really are bad and maybe we really can’t do this”
Game 7 of the NLCS was rocking last year, what happened then?
Thought so.
This team has played like crap at home all year, and that includes the times for most of the season when the fans were meeting with your approval
If the team NEEDS me cheering so I can win, I want to be put on the payroll.
It’s voluntary, it’s not a job. Stop trying to force people to act like you want them to.
giving up before even trying. it must suck to be you.
LOL not as much as it must suck to be you.
You’re the biggest troublemaker on this blog.
Fragging baseball fascist
im going to the game tonight to have a good time. my favorite team is in first place, and we have a chance to get to the playoffs. yeah it really sucks to be me!
I just think that most fans really didn’t think that these games were going to matter against the Nationals. So, people didn’t make plans to go. Seriously, who among us would want to go to these games if the Mets were up by 6 or 7 games? I couldn’t even sell my September games last year while I was going on vacation because they had the division locked up. I think most of us took it for granted, and saved our money for playoff tickets, as dumb as that may be.
Reposting from the last thread as it’s equally applicable here:
Sorry Matt, couldn’t disagree with you more. I have to say that I am really pissed at the way Mets fans are coming down on other Mets fans for not turning a blind eye to what’s happening on the field and waving their pom-poms.
As a passionate fan that lives and dies with this team, forced fandom doesn’t work. Fans are reactive–we feel the way the players feel. The players are mystified, dejected, confused, frustrated and afraid. So are we. If you put all your passion into something, and see it crashing down, it’s hard to just say “okay, now I’m going to be crazy excited.” That might work for 400 fans out of 48,000.
I have full faith that if the Mets show the fans something…ANYTHING, they will respond by being so loud that they’ll be able to hear US at Citizens Bank Park. But the Mets must step it up and show us something first.
The Philly fans are capitalizing on the energy coming from their team, and that, in turn helps pump their team up more.
So, Matt, I would ask that you stop chiding Mets fans for something that is not their fault. The Mets themselves have created this condition by getting clubed to death in the first game of the homestand, and giving nothing for fans to hold onto since.
I remember that fans god LOUD when Alou hit that home run making it 4-0, but how long until it all unraveled?
Mets fans are the best there is. They will do their part. But the team has to meet these fans half way.
So, enough already. That’s my take.
Very well said…
Yes, it was loud after that homerun, but at the first sign of trouble, mets fans went back into their shell. I think that rubbed off on the players as well. We are having a chicken or the egg argument right now.
Perhaps, but my argument is definitely Chicken–chicken being the team. The Mets have given fans virtually nothing to hang onto, save that 6 run 9th, where the fans that were left were definitely loud.
if the Mets were 2-2 or even 1-3 over these games, that’d be one thing. But each game has been an exhausting exercise in frustration. Even the games won in Florida were exercises in frustration. Blowing the first game, winning on 8 unearned runs in the 2nd. Wagner blowing the game and forcing us to have to come back again. That doesn’t make you want to cheer. That doesn’t make you want to scream. It makes you want to exhale and drink heavily.
If the Mets can put together a solid win, you’ll see the fans do what great fans do. But you can’t expect this team to keep kicking its fans in the crotch and have us come back with the “rah-rah, sis-boom-bah.” I know of few fans who can just put the blinders on and act like it’s an exciting 3 game season now.
Agreed 100%, and its what I have been saying. Its a cycle, the fans need the Mets to do something to get them going, but you cant expect them to start cheering down 9-6 after leading 6-2.
Don’t worry, Philly fans can boo and be negative with the best of them. They are cranking now, but wait to see how ugly it gets if they spit the bit against the nats.
Not that I expect them too, but you can always hope.
You reap what you sow. The Mets tried to pull a fast one several weeks ago by prematurely postponing that Cardinals game so they could get a more favorable rotation for the upcoming Phillies series. Well, they got their desired rotation. And now they got their payback: having to make up that Cardinals game in the middle of a tailspin. Next time play the game when it’s scheduled instead of manipulating the system to try to get an unfair advantage. No sympathy here!
Fine fine fine, “believe or leave” whatever. Congratulations, you cheerleaders are better fans than anyone else. You’re super-duper bestest fans ever!
And guess what?
Your team is going to finish with the exact same record as the team the rest of us unworthies root for.
And you’ll either be as miserable as we are, or we’ll be as happy as you are.
You’re not invited to some extra special super secret VIP post-clinching party because of it.
You’re not a part of an uber-secret society like Skull and Bones because of it.
You’re not going to get Wilpon-hired limos to carry you to your golden seat at Shea in 2008 because of it.
So please quit it. All you’re doing is acting like a 5 year old “look at me mommy, I’m being good mommy!”
Hooray for you! You’re better than us. YAYYYYY!
The season has 3 days left, and you’d rather spend it sniping at fellow Mets fans.
Snots.
Snobs.
Who’s concerned about the team and who’s concerned with putting on an act like they’re all superior to others?
i know it hurts not being a true fan, but not everyone has mental fortitude to root for something that might fail. hopefully you will enjoy being a yankee fan. its three games. if you cant give three days to put your negativity to a rest, i feel sorry for you. i really do. enjoy your bitching.
Thanks for proving my point.
The only one bitching here…..is you.
Hooray for you! You’re a better Mets fan than I am!!
YAY GOBOT!!! Gobot master-happy-super #1 fan!!!!
Let me know how the super-secret party is after the final game.
Man, I wish I was a true fan, my Mets team could get the extra 3 games in the standings MLB gives to “true” fans teams.
Stop being a child, you’re making it worse.
That was meant for ghobot.
sometimes, its nice to be a kid, and not to be so cynical. ridicule all you want, trumpzilla. i know how i’ll feel when i am at the game cheering for the mets. i know how i’ll feel after this weekend. regardless of if the team wins or losses. and thats pretty damn good. self righteous, smug, and happy that these band wagoners have moved onto something else they demand entertainment and happiness from.
Gobot-
You and the rest of the pom-pomers are all the same.
There is an essential brittleness to you- a weakness. You need the validation of everyone else doing it your way or else everyone is wrong.
I do not care what others do. Why should you?
PS Gobot-
i know how i’ll feel after this weekend. regardless of if the team wins or losses. and thats pretty damn good. self righteous, smug, and happy that these band wagoners have moved onto something else they demand entertainment and happiness from.
I’d expect Mets fan to be devestated come Monday if they lose. I sure know I will.
Well, good luck with that pal.
trampzilla, do what you want, i dont care if you are happy or not. just do us all a big favor and if you go to the stadium, try cheering. again, itll make you feel better.
wow that pissed me off