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	<title>Comments on: Opinion: To Willie, or Not to Willie</title>
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		<title>By: Mutual Funds and Market Research</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/01/opinion-to-willie-or-not-to-willie/#comment-33140</link>
		<dc:creator>Mutual Funds and Market Research</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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I couldn&#039;t understand some parts of this article, but it sounds interesting...</description>
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<p>I couldn&#8217;t understand some parts of this article, but it sounds interesting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: BigHangWithEm</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/01/opinion-to-willie-or-not-to-willie/#comment-23758</link>
		<dc:creator>BigHangWithEm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 14:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VCarver, thanks for a (mostly) civil reply! It&#039;s refreshing to have a real conversation on a message board!  And yeah, we are all entitled to our diff opinions, there is obviously alot of emotion going around right now again thanks for taking the high road!

I think the manager has alot more to do with the team than effecting 5-15 games. and btw how big are 5-15 games right now??  the manager sets the mood of the team, he instills them with the sense of urgency.  He has to keep the players on their toes instead of just tossing out mundane quotes all year.  I think the manager has to be a little more dynamic.  Look what Leyland did last year, one tirade to the press and the tigers started believeing in themselves and took off.  Pinella rode his team hard the first 2 months and turned that team around right away.  Now I am not saying Willie has to fire and brimstone, but get out of the dugout once in awhile. Get tossed, don&#039;t be scared of the umpires.  Point is the team became complacent just like their manager.

As far as all players get thrown out at third, I understand that.  But there have to be times that the manager has to put up the Red Light and make sure that the player does not run under any circumstances.  The 9/15 game against Philly where Jose got thrown out in the middle of a rally that could have put the game away sticks out.  And so does a late game against the Nats (Endy didn&#039;t get thrown out at 3rd, but he shouldn&#039;t have been running in that 2 strike situation)

My problem with Willie is two fold.

All year the Mets made boneheaded plays. That has to be due to a lack of preparation which is really the Manager&#039;s biggest job in an organization, make sure the players are prepared to give you their best.

The second issue is that the Mets played listlessly all year. Basically they inherited their manager&#039;s laid back persona.  The fact Willie got ejected from far less games than his players is a telling stat.

As far as last year, the Mets got outplayed by the Cards, I guess that can&#039;t be placed on the manager but the Tigers pitchers handling the ball like a greased pig did them in.  

Back to this year, yes the BP and rotation were huge culprits, but c&#039;mon, this division was there for the taking. Maybe not stubbornly using Mota every time they were behind so he could put the game out of reach would have made a difference.  Maybe not keeping the black hole formerly known as Carlos Delgado in the 4 hole for the first half would have fixed things too.

Last year was a dissapointment, 2007 was an affront to Met fans.  For that reason alone Willie should be fired. Obviously it&#039;s not all his fault, but a fresh start is necessary, for the players and most of all for the fans.  And the short leash argument is just silly, either fire him or don&#039;t fire him until after the team screws it up again in 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VCarver, thanks for a (mostly) civil reply! It&#8217;s refreshing to have a real conversation on a message board!  And yeah, we are all entitled to our diff opinions, there is obviously alot of emotion going around right now again thanks for taking the high road!</p>
<p>I think the manager has alot more to do with the team than effecting 5-15 games. and btw how big are 5-15 games right now??  the manager sets the mood of the team, he instills them with the sense of urgency.  He has to keep the players on their toes instead of just tossing out mundane quotes all year.  I think the manager has to be a little more dynamic.  Look what Leyland did last year, one tirade to the press and the tigers started believeing in themselves and took off.  Pinella rode his team hard the first 2 months and turned that team around right away.  Now I am not saying Willie has to fire and brimstone, but get out of the dugout once in awhile. Get tossed, don&#8217;t be scared of the umpires.  Point is the team became complacent just like their manager.</p>
<p>As far as all players get thrown out at third, I understand that.  But there have to be times that the manager has to put up the Red Light and make sure that the player does not run under any circumstances.  The 9/15 game against Philly where Jose got thrown out in the middle of a rally that could have put the game away sticks out.  And so does a late game against the Nats (Endy didn&#8217;t get thrown out at 3rd, but he shouldn&#8217;t have been running in that 2 strike situation)</p>
<p>My problem with Willie is two fold.</p>
<p>All year the Mets made boneheaded plays. That has to be due to a lack of preparation which is really the Manager&#8217;s biggest job in an organization, make sure the players are prepared to give you their best.</p>
<p>The second issue is that the Mets played listlessly all year. Basically they inherited their manager&#8217;s laid back persona.  The fact Willie got ejected from far less games than his players is a telling stat.</p>
<p>As far as last year, the Mets got outplayed by the Cards, I guess that can&#8217;t be placed on the manager but the Tigers pitchers handling the ball like a greased pig did them in.  </p>
<p>Back to this year, yes the BP and rotation were huge culprits, but c&#8217;mon, this division was there for the taking. Maybe not stubbornly using Mota every time they were behind so he could put the game out of reach would have made a difference.  Maybe not keeping the black hole formerly known as Carlos Delgado in the 4 hole for the first half would have fixed things too.</p>
<p>Last year was a dissapointment, 2007 was an affront to Met fans.  For that reason alone Willie should be fired. Obviously it&#8217;s not all his fault, but a fresh start is necessary, for the players and most of all for the fans.  And the short leash argument is just silly, either fire him or don&#8217;t fire him until after the team screws it up again in 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: mlb723</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 13:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem today is that the players think they are bigger than the game. This goes for baseball, basketball, football etc. Most players are concerned more about how many earrings they should wear, how long their necklaces should be, what kind of dance they should do after a touchdown, making a tackle, hitting a homerun, shooting a 3 point basket etc.( If course they still do this when the score shows that they are STILL LOSING THE GAME). None of them listen to the coach/manager. The players themselves are DESTROYING SPORTS. I personally cannot cheer for any team in these sports. Most of them are thugs, drug attics, bums etc. and are to stupid to know how to play their own sport. It&#039;s a shame and it is only getting worse. Basically, for the last 5-10 years, SPORTS SUCK... Willie should be a man and manage the way he wants to and if he gets fired, at least he goes down fighting. He is being a wimp and letting the players RULE the team and call the shots.. Big mistake, Someone has to have the BALLS to put htese players in their place... I guess that person doesn&#039;t exist yet...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem today is that the players think they are bigger than the game. This goes for baseball, basketball, football etc. Most players are concerned more about how many earrings they should wear, how long their necklaces should be, what kind of dance they should do after a touchdown, making a tackle, hitting a homerun, shooting a 3 point basket etc.( If course they still do this when the score shows that they are STILL LOSING THE GAME). None of them listen to the coach/manager. The players themselves are DESTROYING SPORTS. I personally cannot cheer for any team in these sports. Most of them are thugs, drug attics, bums etc. and are to stupid to know how to play their own sport. It&#8217;s a shame and it is only getting worse. Basically, for the last 5-10 years, SPORTS SUCK&#8230; Willie should be a man and manage the way he wants to and if he gets fired, at least he goes down fighting. He is being a wimp and letting the players RULE the team and call the shots.. Big mistake, Someone has to have the BALLS to put htese players in their place&#8230; I guess that person doesn&#8217;t exist yet&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: 69fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>69fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 04:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep Willie, keep HoJo and let Willie pick HIS own staff and this way be responsible for all that happens around him. Off Topie, I think the dancing belongs in the duguout or on the dance floor, no need to give the other team anymore reason to beat us.  I am downhearted but looking forward to 2008 and hoping the Wilpons hear the cry for allowing Willie to choose his own staff not Minaya and Bernazard whom I&#039;ve heard doesn&#039;t  like Willie.  Could he be the source of rumors? Another must is that character and mental toughness to get through the down times must be a requirement for the makeup of the 2008 Mets that Willie needs to make this his team. Let&#039;s Go Mets</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep Willie, keep HoJo and let Willie pick HIS own staff and this way be responsible for all that happens around him. Off Topie, I think the dancing belongs in the duguout or on the dance floor, no need to give the other team anymore reason to beat us.  I am downhearted but looking forward to 2008 and hoping the Wilpons hear the cry for allowing Willie to choose his own staff not Minaya and Bernazard whom I&#8217;ve heard doesn&#8217;t  like Willie.  Could he be the source of rumors? Another must is that character and mental toughness to get through the down times must be a requirement for the makeup of the 2008 Mets that Willie needs to make this his team. Let&#8217;s Go Mets</p>
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		<title>By: mets6986</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/01/opinion-to-willie-or-not-to-willie/#comment-23426</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 04:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey... I missed that poll...  The Phillies and the Braves fans probably stuffed the ballot so the Mets can keep Willie and the Mets will never win with his arrogant, no-strategy management style... Lets get rid of him...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey&#8230; I missed that poll&#8230;  The Phillies and the Braves fans probably stuffed the ballot so the Mets can keep Willie and the Mets will never win with his arrogant, no-strategy management style&#8230; Lets get rid of him&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: 7-train</title>
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		<dc:creator>7-train</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 01:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WTF is all this noise about Willie&#039;s &quot;winners attitude&quot;?  He&#039;s been here 3 years.  2 of those years they&#039;ve collapsed in September and missed the playoffs.

Art Howe could have done just as good a job with the players Omar put out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTF is all this noise about Willie&#8217;s &#8220;winners attitude&#8221;?  He&#8217;s been here 3 years.  2 of those years they&#8217;ve collapsed in September and missed the playoffs.</p>
<p>Art Howe could have done just as good a job with the players Omar put out there.</p>
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		<title>By: metsjam</title>
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		<dc:creator>metsjam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 00:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things that Willie did that first started to make me raise his eyebrows was when Milledge got ROASTED for doing -- what? Giving a few high fives to fans because he was excited about hitting a huge homerun? Willie not only did nothing to defend or shield Milledge, he piled on with some criticism of his own.  Much of Milledge&#039;s public persona stem from this absolute nonevent. Some of the entries on this site have described Milledge as being a punk, thug etc. All I know is, if I had been Milledge and I had been pilloried for the crime of being enthusiastic I would have been absolutely pi**ed off. (and consider myself neither a punk nor a thug)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things that Willie did that first started to make me raise his eyebrows was when Milledge got ROASTED for doing &#8212; what? Giving a few high fives to fans because he was excited about hitting a huge homerun? Willie not only did nothing to defend or shield Milledge, he piled on with some criticism of his own.  Much of Milledge&#8217;s public persona stem from this absolute nonevent. Some of the entries on this site have described Milledge as being a punk, thug etc. All I know is, if I had been Milledge and I had been pilloried for the crime of being enthusiastic I would have been absolutely pi**ed off. (and consider myself neither a punk nor a thug)</p>
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		<title>By: metsjam</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 00:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;it&#039;s clear that somewhere along the way something happened that we don&#039;t know about&quot;. This should be the topic of an entire thread. As far as I&#039;m concerned there are 2 fundamental things to be resolved before April. The first is the pitching staff in general and particularly the bullpen. This is primarily Omar&#039;s problem. The second thing is to fix this Reyes problem right here and now. I haven&#039;t heard anybody give any authoritative account on what his problem was/is. This is one tightly guarded state secret. Was he just tired or burned out? Problems with his teammates? Willie? Is he getting too rich or arrogant? Family problems? Substances (heaven forbid)? The importance of a healthy Reyes cannot be overemphasized and somebody in command needs to solve this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it&#8217;s clear that somewhere along the way something happened that we don&#8217;t know about&#8221;. This should be the topic of an entire thread. As far as I&#8217;m concerned there are 2 fundamental things to be resolved before April. The first is the pitching staff in general and particularly the bullpen. This is primarily Omar&#8217;s problem. The second thing is to fix this Reyes problem right here and now. I haven&#8217;t heard anybody give any authoritative account on what his problem was/is. This is one tightly guarded state secret. Was he just tired or burned out? Problems with his teammates? Willie? Is he getting too rich or arrogant? Family problems? Substances (heaven forbid)? The importance of a healthy Reyes cannot be overemphasized and somebody in command needs to solve this.</p>
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		<title>By: gipper913</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 00:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he is so great with teh clubhouse motivation behind closed doors, please explain to me the quotes from his team that admitted they were so good they got bored and were complacent and expected to get in the playoffs?  If he was so great in the clubhouse, keep the team focused department - how can a team that was embarrassed in last year&#039;s NLCS come into this season and be apathetic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he is so great with teh clubhouse motivation behind closed doors, please explain to me the quotes from his team that admitted they were so good they got bored and were complacent and expected to get in the playoffs?  If he was so great in the clubhouse, keep the team focused department &#8211; how can a team that was embarrassed in last year&#8217;s NLCS come into this season and be apathetic?</p>
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		<title>By: gipper913</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 00:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummm - isn&#039;t that waht firing him will do = un-hire him?

:-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm &#8211; isn&#8217;t that waht firing him will do = un-hire him?</p>
<p>:-P</p>
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