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Yesterday at Shea Stadium, Orlando Hernandez told reporters that he will have surgery in the next few weeks to repair the tendon in his foot, which forced him to miss much of September.
El Duque has one year and $6 million left on his contract.
…i have no problem with el duque coming back, especially 
at that cost…however, at no point next season can he be considered the team’s best pitcher…if he returns as a fifth starter, occasionally reliever, all under the notion that he will certainly miss a chunk of the season, maybe even the playoffs, fine…
Meanwhile, John Maine told reporters that he may need surgery on his hip, which, according to an MRI, had plagued him through much of the season.
Lastly, according to the Daily News, Omar Minaya announced that Carlos Beltran may need to ‘address’ the knee injuries he suffered towards the end of the season.
…i know beltran works hard, in season and off, but i believe his workout regimen needs to be reconsidered, because the guy is always playing in pain, more so than most players it seems…he gets knocked by some fans for being soft, which is actually the opposite of reality…instead, he plays through pain, and only hits the disabled list when it is unbearable…the problem is not that he’s ‘soft,’ whatever that means, the problem is that every time i look up he’s playing with a sore knee, or quad, or oblique, and he’s too integral to this team’s offense to constantly be running that risk with…so, while addressing his knee, maybe the team should also address his overall health…
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Cerrone,
El Duque can’t come back. Don’t you learn?? No more old men that get hurt ever 2 weeks. It KILLS the flow and groove of this team. he’s in, hes out, hes in , hes out. Bring up Lawrence, plug in vargas, etc.
It has to stop. They need 5 healthy starters. There’s no more room for guys with AARP cards on this team. The fans don’t deserve it.
So go find me some pitchers with under a 4 ERA that make 6 million a year. Can you?
El Duque isn’t the problem. You know he will miss starts.
The Mets Organization relying on him to be their one or two starter is the problem. That is exactly what Matt said and it rings true.
As Cerrone said…..
“if he returns as a fifth starter, occasionally reliever, all under the notion that he will certainly miss a chunk of the season, maybe even the playoffs, fine…”
Thats what he said. And I feel the same way. He is a good guy to have on the team…he has stretches where he is very good…and then there are stretches where he gets hurt. And as long as the Mets go into the season knowing this…and not relying on him in any specific role other than bullpen arm/emergency starter/injury fill-in…..then its perfectly fine.
I think he would fill that role very nicely. That being said…if you find a team that is desperate enough for a starter…and excited about his salary (6 million) then you see what you can get for him….certainly…..if what he will bring in outweighs the bullpen/emergency starter/injury fill-in role he will be vacating, then you do it.
Duque in 2008 > Oliver in 2006 and much much > Sele in 2007. Great long man from the pen (lots of rest, fewer IP, better chance to stay healthy) and spot starter when needed. $6M is normally more than you pay for that, but this is no ordinary swing man either. If we had one with those kinds of skills this year, we would have won the division.
Beltran is injury-prone, not soft. People always confuse the two.
He’s actually a really tough dude and not a prima-donna at all.
“and only hits the disabled list when it is unbearable”
wow, are you deluded. dont you think guys like jeter, arod, ripken on & on have “unbearable” pain too? they had to be DRAGGED off the field. beltran says “no mas” to easily.
ugh…
He hit the DL, what? 1 time this year? Granted, DWright and Reyes were healthy all year, but seriously…they don’t play a position that requires you to slam into a wall and possibly run into someone almost every play.
I’m not saying hes not injury proned, but i’ll give him credit, he plays hard, he is a great defensive outfielder most of the time, and who is better??
And you know what guys like Jeter, ARod and Ripken, they all play infield positions and honestly, unless your already injury prone (Castillo), you don’t get injured that often here.
And if you remember correct, ARod did miss quite a few games after a hit by pitch here, or a strained something there..so…you know what, they DON’T play through pain…
Ripken is a freak of nature though :)
I know the haters don’t want to be confused with facts, but let me try this one more time…
- if Beltran were really the player you describe, he would play fewer games than most CFs.
- He doesn’t. He plays about 145 games a year on average, making him one of the most durable CFs in all of baseball.
- The CFs the haters love to hold up as icons of toughness – Cameron, Rowand, Hunter – all play fewer games than Beltran… year after year after year.
- The only CFs I have found who have played more games than Beltran over the past 5 seasons are Juan Pierre and Andruw Jones.
- Oddly enough, neither of them are considered “tough” either.
Beltran has a low threshhold of pain. There are guys who can overcome pain and those who cant. Beltran cannot. Therefore, he is hurt more than others, because EVERYTHING hurts him. I don’t dislike Beltran, but he is what he is. And that’s why he is perceived as soft.
How do you know he has a low threshold of pain? You don’t unless you experience the same exact grade of injuries as he does.
It’s harder for a CFer to play through injuries than other position players because of the running they have to do.
A few weeks ago some fan compared A-Rod playing after his most recent injury to Beltran, but A-Rod came right back as the DH, for christsakes! That’s a baby position. Beltran doesn’t have the luxury of being able to play a baby position.
Again, if he is “hurt more than others”, why does he play more games than almost everyone else who plays the position?
By that logic, Cal Ripken Jr. must have had the lowest pain tolerance in baseball history.
let’s not Beltran bash here, the guy is great…but i agree, El Duque, at that price, as our 5th starter or better yet IN THE PEN, i think helps us…but who’s out there to get?
Pedro
Maine
Perez
Pelfrey (?)
Who’s our 5th?
do we trade for Dontrelle, who SUPPOSEDLY is on the market again? Do we drain our minors for Johan?
Hopefully, Sanchez and Padilla come back strong and our pen is
Wagner
Sanchez
Padilla
Schoenweis
Duque
Feliciano
Heilman
yes, a 12 man staff for now, hopefully we can not burn out our pen starting in APRIL next year lol
If Dontrelle can be had cheaply enough, sure. He’s not the pitcher he used to be, but he still has a lot of talent. He has obvious mechanical problems – flying open way too soon – that are leading to major control problems. An elite pitching coach (whether that’s Peterson or someone else) should be able to help.
I think they have to bring back el Duque, he’s a bargain at that price, but we also need to get younger with our pitching staff. Move Duque to the pen, and give him a start now and then when Pedro inevitably needs an extra day. Give both Pelfrey and Humber a chance to win a job, or trade them for a young frontline starter who can anchor the staff.
I don’t want Alou back, or Green. Or at most one back for a strictly platoon/bench situation which they understand beforehand. But then the club would have to decline Alou’s option and re-negotiate because 7.5 million for a part time LFer is too much.
The team needs to get younger and healthier. And if Omar doesn’t recognize this then his job will be in jeopardy a year from now.
Younger and healthier how?
How many teams want our crap prospects?
Our A prospects are B prospects on other teams.
Alou is an insurance plan and Green wouldn’t be bad as a bench player/ backup at 1b.
7.5 million is not so bad. It is a lil much. The only way I don’t sign Alou to split time with Gomez or another is if the Mets can land a nice power bat corner OF to solidify the middle of the lineup left for dead while delgado yucked it up and alou was injured.
I’m OK with Alou. I’d ask him to work out at 1B in spring training, with the idea that he could play some LF and also spell Delgado (he will be back, for financial reasons if nothing else) against tough lefties. Ideally, I’d love to see him play about 80 games. Any more than that would mean one of our other OFs was either DL’d or hurt. Then, in the World Series (and yes, any plan for ‘08 need to consider us making the WS or else it’s not a plan worth having) he would be a great DH in games at the AL park.
*”either DL’d or hurt”. Duh.
Make that “struggling or hurt”.
Starting in LF next year and 1B in 2009-ADAM DUNN
I’m confused here…This is the first that I have heard that maine has a bad hip….let alone that it may need sugery…Does anyone know what the problem with his hip is???