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According to ESPN, Scott Schoeneweis received six steroid shipments from Signature Pharmacy while playing for the Chicago White Sox in 2003 and 2004.
Meanwhile, Schoeneweis told the Daily News, “I never received anything from Florida. I’m not going to comment. I never even heard of it.”
…at this point, to me, this is more of a White Sox story than a Mets-and-their-relief-pitcher story, since the alleged act occurred roughly three years before shoney came to shea…however, from a personnel stand point, this is just another man in a long line of acquisitions by this team that continue to end up with this headline, and that has got to be addressed whether it is their own fault or not…
…lastly, and this is just a hunch, but every time i read one of these stories, be it this one, or the one about Troy Glaus, etc, i just keep getting this weird feeling that the team’s are far more culpable in these stories than we are yet aware of…i’m not suggesting that the players were totally in the dark, oblivious to what they were doing, but i just have this gut feeling that they may not have been totally aware of exactly what they were taking, you know, sort of like, ‘hey, the trainer is a professional, he works for the team, who gave this to the trainer, and he says to take this, it will make me recover faster, etc, so, okay, i’ll take it,’ type approach, all while knowing it could be shady, but may not be, as well…again, this should not minimize their role, but it could expand the blame, that’s all i am saying…
…for what it’s worth, i am also stunned by the level of speed that is used in baseball, which was once amphetamines, or ‘greenies,’ but is now an unhealthy obsession with Red Bull, caffeine pills, and the like, which is typically followed by alcohol after the game to take the edge off…for more on this, listen to Buster Olney, at ESPN, who is very alarmed by the level of post-game drinking in baseball and how it is condoned by the teams…i also understand that anti-inflammatory medication is eaten like tic-tacs…i’m sure their livers will be thrilled by their behavior one day…it’s an odd culture, and the players tend to get the brunt of the fan’s wrath, but i just have a hard time believing that the players are always operating on their own…again, just a hunch…
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You shouldn’t be shocked by greenies Matt. They have been around for forever…and the alcohol has alway been there. Its a viscious cycle that has ALWAYS been there. Read the biographies of players from the 50s, 60s or 70s. Its not even a big deal to them…it was the norm.
Seriously Matt … why is this such a shocker to you and Buster? Didn’t you guys read Ball Four ?
As fans, I think we have to be prepared to hear a lot more of this in the coming months. I’ve always suspected that steroid use was far more prevalent than MLB tried to have us believe. Canseco’s 2/3 of all players estimate is probably much closer to the truth.
While I don’t doubt that many teams encouraged, or at the very least, turned a blind eye to steroid use, I find it hard to believe that any player would not know what he was taking.
Wow, there’s a lot there. First of all, it IS a Mets issue because he is on our team and if there is indeed some proof that bottles with these steroids had his name on it and he either signed off on them or there are credible witnesses who step forward that say he had them, he is lying when he says he doesn’t know anything about them. Presumably a prescription is filled by the request of the person to whom it is made out to, but OK, sometimes a doctor will write a prescription for someone and someone else goes into the pharmacy to pick it up. Let’’s make a hypothetical scenario - He goes to a doctor or trainer and it is recommended that he take X and without asking in detail what it is, says OK. His trainer sends it to Comiskey Park and he takes it, not knowing what it was or remembering it. Far fetched, but we don’t know all of the story, so for now, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. Further, if it turns out that he has lied about this and was using, the lie itself could be an issue in the personal behavior clause of his contract or whatever it is called, bringing up a possible window to void it or buy it out. Could you imagine after the last weeks, Show and Mota coming back to the BP? I don’t dare to think of the wrath, furthering the PR nightmare, let alone the ugly play.
OK, players have taken greenies for a long time and baseball has looked the other way all along. Funny, if a poor guy from the ghetto is pulled over and searched and amphetamines are found, he could very well be heading to jail. Greenies were made public in Bouton’s Ball Four in the early 70’s. We want our teams’ players to get all the big hits, the saves, the holds, the wins day after day, but nobody wants to look at how sausages are made. The answer might be a shorter schedule and more days off and maybe a 30 man roster, but remember we can’t get enough of baseball. Fans don’t want days off from their daily fix and economically, MLB has been leaning towards extending the season more and more with the World Baseball Classic, an All Star Game that “counts”, and NLDS, tiebreakers and the like. As much as we expect of these guys, we should remember that they are just flesh and blood.
ive always felt the season is too long, basketball and hockey (while alot more atheletics are involved are HALF the length of baseball)….I dont see a reason why you couldnt chop off about 20 games from the season and just spread them out over the season as days off.
Hey, I’m writing a story for my journalism class about what Mets fans have gone through over the past two weeks. If you’d like to talk about you experiences (it could be cathartic) email me at Mets69113@aol.com.
Can this be grounds for voiding his contract…. we have to see how it turns out with Gibbons and Glaus but this would free us from a crap contract
yes good, void that stupid contract. do and then wait for him to sue later. dump him and several other of the turds in the bullpen and start fresh.
No. Unfortunately not. He is accused of having purchased it in the past. Not this year. Contracts do not cover past behavior.
As much as I dislike Schoeneweis as a baseball player, the accusation here is being accredited to “an Internet report”. I think everyone needs to allow this story to develop before drawing final conclusions
I agree with Metlomaniac. I think there will be a lot more stories like this as the season draws to an end, My opinion is that everyone knew the risks(owners, players, trainers). It was culturally embedded into the game even though most players didn’t do it. And once Congress got involved and Baseball had to strengthen its policies, the house of cards built by steroids came tumbling down. Right now, the owners are left holding the bag because players like Mota and Schoenweis wouldn’t have been paid the kind of contracts that Miinaya offered if not for their drug-altered performance in their pre-Met years. In a small way, this contributed to the pitching staff meltdown of 2007. Minaya gambled and loss on these players who could not rise to the occasion playing “clean.”
Re: Minaya offering him a contract:
You’re assuming that Schoeneweis took steroids in the years after he received the shipments. According to the report, he received the dope in 2003 and 2004.
I highly doubt Omar spent $12M on The Show based on the 5.59 ERA he posted in 2004.
Another Omar signing is accused of Steroids how amazing. And although Willie is taking the heat for alot of the garbage that happened to this team Omar seems to be getting a pass. I think with Omar’s remarks this morning in the paper regarding Mileadge and Reyes behavior where Omar is quoted as saying “They are young and just showing their enthusiasm”. If Omar does not understand that the behavior that the players exhibit on the field is a problem, then I truly believe that the problem with the Mets is not Willie but Omar. These are guys making Millions of dollars acting like FOOLS. You don’t see other professional ballplayers behaving this way. And I truly believe Omar is undercutting Willies authority. See how he made him fire Rick Downs and put Ricky Henderson in there. You tell me if I am off base
Well, when Schoe recieved the steroids it wasn’t illegal in baseball. Doesn’t make it right, it just might have something to do with why he won’t admit to it, a la Mota.
As far as being shocked or thinking its another Met involved with this crap, don’t be, it seems like Canseco was right and over half the league was juicing. In other words, don’t be surprised when the next big/medium/no-name gets outed.
What a complete and total jackass. The fanbase is better without him. From the sounds of it, he was a Yankee fan all along.
i don’t condone sports bigamy, or i guess in this case it’s more sports adultry, but man, I was thinking the same thing for a few hours after walking out of Shea on Sunday.
The Jankos would never do this to their fans, 2004 notwithstanding. And they would certainly not let Willie linger for this long or even publicly consider bringing him back. They would make him pay with his job instantly. A message needs to be sent to the players that this is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE, sadly I think it will be buisness as usual at Shea. Just kick back and keep counting the gate reciepts from the 3.9 Million suckers that supported this crap.
I hate that “steroids weren’t illegal in baseball” BS. Maybe they weren’t, but they were illegal everywhere else. Should MLB have to make a rule stating that murdering your opponent is illegal? It’s a ridiculous argument. If steroid are illegal on the street, they’re illegal in ballparks, too.