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…earlier this week on MetsBlog, cerrone wrote that based on the emails and comments he has received, we as Mets fan are far less stunned and angry this time around…frankly, this shocks me…
…after game seven last year, i was a complete wreck…i wept like a child…i was stunned by the loss, but i knew about the possible outcomes going into a game seven, which lessened the blow for me…however, this year, to me, is so much worse…
…when i woke up sunday morning, i really thought there was no chance the Mets would lose…they had, what i thought, was the right pitcher on the mound and that the team would bring an intensity powered by the previous day’s events…i at least thought that the Mets would be playing the Phillies on monday for the division title…losing never crossed my mind…i believed in this team until the bitter end, even after the seven-run first inning…
…call me naive, but despite their inconsistent play, i never expected the 2007 Mets season to end the way it did…i never considered it…again i wept, stared in disbelief and wept some more…the 2007 Mets broke my heart, more so than any other of team before, even the ‘88 Mets…perhaps, it’s due to my love for the players on this team and now knowing that most of them won’t return…i echo cerrone sentiments, when he said…
“…i like these guys…i have enjoyed cheering for them…and, for the most part, they have been a ton of fun to watch…i liked the smiles, the hi-five dances, the walk-off wins, the celebrations, the quirkiness, the SI covers, and the electricity that we saw so much of over the last two seasons…but, because of the last 30 days, that is all going to change now…”
…that’s what is most painful about this for me…i’m going to miss the 2006 and 2007 Mets…i felt like these guys were my extended family and now, for the most part, they’ll be gone…and i’ll go on as a Mets fan always believing that one day all my heartbreak will go away…
…added to by Matthew Cerrone…
…i guess what i was trying to say, mike, is not that we, as fans, are taking this ending any less passionately than we all did last season, it’s just that we had two weeks, if not more, to prepare for it this time around, despite continuing to believe it would end differently while going through it…the metaphor i keep using to describe it has been, it was like we were passengers in a car that was skidding off the road, heading for a ditch, and while we all had faith that the car and driver would avoid a crash, we had ample time to brace for a disaster…last season, that was not the case…last season, especially after Endy Chavez’s catch, we were blindsided…and, as such, the endings have seemingly delivered two different responses…again, i can only speak from what i read and hear, but, last season we seemed to be more depressed and angry from having the carpet ripped from under us, while this season people seem to be frustrated, stunned and dismissive and eager to just turn the page and move on…at least i know i am…
Anytime you’re one pitch, one hit, one inning, one whatever away from the World Series – it’s exceptionally tough to take. The adage is, the farther you go in the playoffs, the harder the loss feels.
We were too close and too good last year.
This year, we were one game from making the playoffs, but still 7+ games from making the World Series. While I think getting into the playoffs would have jump started the team again, it would have been difficult for me to believe that the pitching would have suddenly turned around as to where the team would be back in the position they were in last October.
Also – last year is harder to take now that this year became a failure. As Mike said, at least there was a lot of hope in the air following ‘06. Most of that hope has been taken away and now the offseason is filled with major question marks, etc. That being said, being one pitch away from a World Series visit is and was a very tough pill to swallow.
y’know, that’s a good point, and something I hadn’t even realized…I’ve found myself dwelling more on last year because of this year’s performance. The chief effect of this year on me seems to be that last year is even more painful.
this year’s performance was a slow death; last year’s was sudden and unexpected.
yes, last year there was nearly complete confidence right up until Glavine stunk up game 5, then game 7 happened in such a cruel way that it was very hard to take.
This year I think we all saw it coming for two weeks. We knew this team wasnt good enough to win the WS, even if they made it into the playoffs. So it wasnt a huge shock that they didnt make it in, despite how they tried to give us hope with the Sat game.
To me this season is WAAAAAY worse than last. There is no comparison. Last year the NYM just got beat by a hot team. It hurt, but it happens. This year, there was a total collapse when all year we ALL took it for granted that the team would be in the playoffs. I’m quite pi$$ed at the Mets, when last year I did not feel this way. I’m STILL going through baseball withdrawal after expecting another month of baseball and now, nothing. Last year, at least I could watch the WS. This year I can’t even look at highlights, much less a game without getting upset. The Mets broke my heart this year and I feel far worse than I did last year. There is no comparison.
Great post. I’ll also miss this version of the Mets but the optimist in me looks forward to next year and I think a lot of us fans feel the same way. Frankly, we don’t have any other choice. It doesn’t hurt to have Reyes, Wright, and Beltran to anchor the lineup for years to come barring some major shakeup. I love John Maine and Oliver Perez and hope they continue to improve. I look forward to Phil Humber learning to pitch at the big league level. The bottom line is that there are 29 teams that go home disappointed every year. Not every team has the opportunity to be in the pennant race. At least we have that.
06 was far worse than 07 … hands down. The writing was on the wall for 07 … since May.
And there is still no comparison to me, for 88. 1988 has to be the worst.
um… theres no crying in baseball?
lol!!! I was wondering who was gonna say it
Uh, I am so sick of hearing about what year was worse. It has now been 5 days since the collapse. Let’s move on guys. Jeez…post something positive. Let’s look forward, not back.
Or are we going to use the whole rest of the month to cry and wait for hot stove. Something positive…I beg of you.
It is like a neverending soap opera lately on Metsblog.
What positive is there? You’re just gonna have to deal with…
Phillies lost yesterday.
and today!!
Dude,
This debacle was a total kick in the gut. How can we possibly look ahead so soon??!? This has to run it’s course. Maybe when the Phillies (and Yankees) are eliminated, I’ll START to feel better. Yes, I for one am still bitter, still pi$$ed at the Mets, and in the mood for ‘hatin. Right now, it can’t be helped.
Yups. I can move one when the Phils are out of the playoffs.
Not sure where I stand on this but I hope A-rod has an amazing post season and the Yanks lose every game.
I would love for him to prove his naysayers wrong.
Yeah, and Captain Jeter goes 1-for-15.
Gotta agree with Matt….2006 was worse. Even 1999 was worse.
This year’s collapse you could see coming from a mile away. Even Wright said something to that effect. The Mets simply did not have a good bullpen this year, and had weaknesses in its rotation that became more acute down the stretch as the older starters faded or got hurt. Even in August, I kept wondering how the hell would that bullpen get through some of the lineups in the playoffs, especially if Mota was put on the postseason roster. I just couldn’t see them being successful in the postseason if they got there. And if that’s the case, then it’s no surprise that another team was able to inch ahead of them for the division title at the end.
I agree with Matt on this. Obviously this team was not good enough. Time to get over it. And weeping about it? I have no response at all to that.
This team played uninspiring .500 ball for 4 months. The fact that they lost the division doesn’t surprise me. Of course, HOW they lost it in the end was mind-boggling.
I actually seperate anger from depression/sadness. I was a pretty happy Mets fan for most of 2006, so when we lost in a agonizing 7th game last year, I was sad. Emotionally, it was a lot worse than last year. But there was no anger. How could there be? We had a great season, finally ended the Braves 14-year streak of winning the division, and made it to within one hit of the WS.
The end of 2007 pissed me off. More anger than anything else. This team underachived, not just in September, but for most of the year. There was little emotion exhibited by the players or the manager, but the fans went through every gut wrtenching loss along the way. By the time it ended, I was pretty worn out. And whereas last year, I wanted to dive right back into Spring Training the next day, I am ready to take a few months off.
That about says it for me. Turning on the TV or radio every night for a month with a dull pit of dread in my stomach truly sucked. This year was worse for me, by far.
I couldn’t handle it last year. Twhat pains me so much this year is the possibilites that awaited. We’re better than everyteam in the NL playoffs this year. That is what hurts. I know if we had made it, we would’ve been hard pressed to not reach the World Series. That is what troubles me.
“Twhat pains me so much this year”
you should see a doctor about that.
;-)
LOL!
I know I know…I had it checked out, turns out I need to stop hanging out with Grant Roberts and Tony Tarasco.
Mike
I couldn’t agree with you more.
Last year we knew we would be good but we didn’t know how good.
This year we expected to be that good and we weren’t
the whole thing sucks period. i would love to relive every met moment from endy chavez catch last year unitl this past sunday.
06 was worse in that the Mets 100% threw away a World Championship that was theirs for the taking. But at least when I exited Shea crying from game 7, I was hopeful for 2007
In 2007, I have no hope for next year.
These Mets have put the royal skrewjob to their fans for 2 years in a row
Well said. That’s how I feel. Last year after we lost I was all excited and hopeful for this year. This year I don’t feel that way at all. I just feel sad/angry/depressed/humiliated. Not a good combination.
i gotta disagree guys. while i agree 06 was very tough, losing the division to the marlins and nationals in the last few weeks of this season was very tough for me to cope with. if you thought about last years team, they overachieved getting as far as they did. this year the team took high expectations into the season, especially into the last 17 games and failed. for me, tonight will be tough knowing i could be at shea for game 2 of the NLDS, but instead ill be in class 6-9.
lets go mets in 08
Every season that ends with a loss is a heartbreak. Because fans live and die with their teams day in and out, for months, and every team – every year – takes on its own unique personality.
So when your teams loses AND the season ends, it’s a double whammy – you lose baseball and you never see that same team, in the same way with the same personality – ever again.
This is why tough losses are unique year to year and trying to categorize one as worse than another is meaningless. It all hurts in its own way.
The only way not to feel this is to win the WS, because then that team lives on for years. I mean, would any of us even know who Art Shamsky is, who Ron Swoboda is, who Al Weiss is if we didn’t see these guys brought back year after year? It’s a kind of immortality.
What I really want to know is why I’m posting here when I told myself to keep away until Pitchers and Catchers…sigh.
“that’s what is most painful about this for me…i’m going to miss the 2006 and 2007 Mets.”
You make it sound like they are blowing up the franchise. 80% of this team will be back in a few months. You can give them all a big hug and kiss when they return for spring training.
Guys, this season is worse because of last year…if we had won it all last year this year wouldn’t have been so bad. the difference this year is that the mets chances for being good are dwindling and we took a step back.
think about it: last year we didn’t have a healthy pedro or a healthy duque for the playoffs…for the playoffs this year we were going to have a healthy pedro and a more experienced maine/perez…next year, after a full year pitching who knows how his (pedro) body will respond for the playoffs if there are any.
I agree with you Mike. This is worse. I guess since we are all surrounded by media we live our lives sometimes thinking life is a movie. Hence, this year was destiny. No matter what happened, how sluggish they looked, I never thought it would happen. Because it could affect the franchise ofr years to come, it hurts worse. After last year I felt because they were one pitch away they would make it there business to make it happen this year. Turn it on WHEN we get to the playoffs, not IF.
I am still upset, dead tired and frustrated. My heart was broken last year but I felt more optimistic for 07. I’m not so optimistic. Curious to see fan confidence in Jan, Feb and March compared to last year. It isnt going to be 7s and 8s even if we get some studs. Thats how you’ll real know about the lasting effect of this collapse.
Personally this is worse because the Mets did not make the playoffs when they had every opportunity to do so. Last year was tough but when your season is resting on one game, anything can happen. Don’t get me wrong last year’s ending in game 7 of the NLCS was tough to take but I still felt proud of what the Mets had accomplished in such a short time. Remember just two years earlier the Mets went 71-91. I never really believed, although there were signs, that the Mets would not make the playoffs this season. Contrary to a lot of fans opinion, I do not perceive a successful season to be only when the World Series is won. To me getting to the playoffs constitutes a successful season. The post season in baseball, like so many other sports, has become a tournament and in such a venue anything can happen. The Cardinals got hot at the right time last year and look what happened. Last year the Mets were not a failure, this year they are. They failed miserably. And I can tell you I hurt much more this week then I did after the playoffs last year.
In 2006, we dominated and had good reason to expect, at least, a World Series appearance. When the season ended, it was very disappointing, but there was still a lot to feel good about, and a lot of hope for the future..
In 2007, we were mediocre for a large percentage of the season, and had no reason to believe we were going to make serious noise in the playoffs. But for its historical aspect, not making the playoffs was not a big deal; because we would have had very low expectations once there anyway. Does it really make much difference if we finish one game out of the playoffs or got bounced in the first round?
I still have hope for the future, but it’s not looking as bright as it did a year ago, for sure.
I think ‘06 was worse. Heading to a Game 7 was certainly a red-flashing warning, but the team was good. They won a ton of games during the season. They played with energy and enthusiasm and certainly seemed to be playing well enough to beat St. Louis. When we lost, I was crushed. I certainly didn’t reading Metsblog for several weeks. It hurt too much.
This year, rational fans could see this coming a mile away. It’s the ‘believers’ that got crushed again. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a huge Mets fans. I want them to win. I root for them to win. I hope they will win. But for me to believe they will win, I have to have visual evidence that they are a good enough team to win. I didn’t see that for long streches of this season and the final two weeks showed a team that was clearly broken.
To simply believe they will win, regardless of how they are playing, smacks of religious zealotry. It’s dangerous enough when you apply it to religion, but to have that same level of unsubstantiated belief about the result of a baseball game is just asking for trouble. What are you left with on Monday? What do you believe in now? How can you continue to have that faith in the face of failure?
Believe in a higher power in your life, if you want. But just support and root for your favorite baseball team.
Maybe I’m the only one who doesn’t feel that a massive overhaul is necessary. Sure, we need to bring in more relievers, but the possible return of Duaner Sanchez and Juan Padilla could help.
Sometimes you lose. Sometimes you lose in horrific and crushing fashion. These things happen once every 25 years, but they still happen. I think nine times out of ten, or 99 out of 100, the mets win this division, given their lead. Not to sound complacent, or that I’m okay with the loss, but I don’t think it’s a sign of our lack of heart or anything. In fact, “heart” is overrated.
The mets weren’t lacking heart in 2006. They didn’t blow anything, either. The Cardinals played well, and won. It happens.
I hope you do not mean that you were actually, literally, crying over this. The visual of a grown man crying over a loss of a game they didn’t play in is disturbing.
Almost Useless Mets NLDS Home Game #2 tickets…… E*bay Item number: 170154949319
This year was embarrassing.
Last year was heartbreak, we had a great team, ran into a Cardinal team clicking on all cylinders, and yet we still almost beat them (unlike the Tigers). Last year was electric, the team was fun and although it ended 5 wins to early I was still proud of the team nad proud to be a Mets fan.
We came into this year with carryover feelings from ‘06. The team continued to struggle, and lack drive, then at the end the whole team collpased. We became a nation wide joke, people laughed at us, in general is was a disgrace.
This year was worse.
if i had my legs amputated…i’d be slightly more upset about the right one. in the end, does it matter which leg hurt to lose more?
you know what i’m saying
omar: top-of-the-rotation starter. 2 very solid relievers. a gritty role player or two: kevin millar-type.
*hurt more to lose
There is only one way to correct that horrible horrible Scott Kazmir trade.
When Scott Kazmir becomes a free agent the Mets MUST sign him. Under no circumstance can the Mets allow Kazmir to become a Brave, Phillie, or Yankee
two more years?
This says 2011. They should try to trade for him if necessary. But the Mets can’t make us watch him on the Braves, Phillies, or Yanks.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&id=3831
he has three years of arbitration coming his way. Hard to see the Devil Rays wanting to pay him big money in ‘09 and ‘10, but its not like they have anyone else to pay so maybe they stick it out for three years.
ok, I was wondering if he was a super 2, and was too lazy to look.
Last year was a tremendous disappointment. This year was an excruciatingly torturous disappointment coupled with an extreme embarrassment which Phillie fans (and Yankee fans) won’t likely let us forget any time soon. That’s why this year is worse in my eyes.
I am considerably more devastated this year. Even with a WS berth seemingly yanked away from us last second, last season ended with hope … Wright and Reyes would be a year older. Maine and Perez would continue their maturation. Maybe a guy like Pelfrey steps up. The deficiencies of the team were clear-cut heading into the off-season (lack of starting pitching depth, and a right-handed bat for the OF). Even when the SP went largely unaddressed in the winter and Alou went down for most of the summer with the injury, I had faith in the fact that this team had learned from the year before. Those that were hurt, would come back for the late charge. And somebody unexpected would step, much like the year before.
No matter how much time we have to brace for it this season, a lot of the hope and trust I had in this team, and this FO has dissipated. Hearing your GM say things like “well we won 88 games” does nothing to temper that cynicism. I’m regarded around here as an obsessively upbeat guy in regards to this team, but I wasn’t always. Right now, I feel like how I did after 2002. All this “talent” and now what? Perhaps I’ll feel better after some player moves and coaching moves are made, but if they just end up running out the same cast of characters with a “we won’t screw up again” battle cry, I think I can honestly forsee a situation where I don’t give this team a dime until they prove they deserve it. And if it’s virtually the same 25 guys again, how can any of us trust them to not collapse again, regardless of how well they play during the spring and summer?
I have to take issue with the comment “I like these guys.” Who exactly do you like, or more accurately who do you have confidence in? Honsestly, not many. I’d say Wright, Pedro, Castillo, Anderson and I’d even say Milledge. Outside of those guys the players on this team either have no heart (i.e. Delgado, Glavine), or may have heart but cannot be counted on to perform (LoDuca).
Who can say they like Reyes as a player right now? The guy doesn’t even run outr grounders and he’s only 24. The man is some kind of prima donna who pouts when he gets taken to task by the manager, and lets warm up grounders go by him after “bad calls” by umpires.
Hopefully many of these characters won’t be in Queens next year and they bring in a Keith Hernandez type to get this group in line. I’d love to have seen what he would have said to Reyes if he pulled this crap in the 80s.
He probably would have tried to punch him out during team picture day.
Although most of your points are right on, this team is coming back pretty much the way it is. I can see changes in the rotation, but the contracts of Beltran, Delgado, Wagner, El Duque etc etc will prevent any real change.
2 moves I’d love to see, but never will:
1) Trade Reyes, Pelfrey and Gomez OR Milledge to the Twins for Santana.
2) Pay A-Rod 40 million per year if necessary to play shortstop.
That’s a radical proposal, but I can’t say I don’t like it…
reyes didn’t run out 3 balls out of about 700 ab’s
what about the fact that he play harder than anyone else on the team? slamming his body into the ground to attempt 100 sb’s or slding head first on doubles and triples. or playing excellent ss all-year.
i’m getting tired of this overboard criticism. his #’s are the same as last year for the most part save hr (good) and rbi (fewer base-runners, a lot of intentional walks).
wright didn’t run out a ball in houston this year. only 2 players had more errors at 3rd (lack of focus?). bad april. didn’t get in shape in the off-season?
it was a slump. get over it. feel lucky you get to see wright and reyes play. hopefully, #5 and #7 will be on the outfield wall someday
I have to say last year was tougher for me because we were amazing ALL year. There wasn’t anyone in the national league that came close to how good we were. That’s a fact. So, when we lost game 2 of the NLCS against the Cardinals, G’Mota being retarded, Wags giving up the runs in the 9th, tough. But this team had enough heart to bounce back during games 4 and 6. Game 7 was tremendously heartbreaking, when you’re basically a single, a double away from advancing to the world series.
This year, every game was a struggle it seemed. It kinda all started in June around that Phillies series, the one Jimmy Rollins had the 3 run homer off Heilman, Chavez getting hurt, Burrell’s “home-run of the century” (seriously, the people in Philly who still play that really need to get over it by now.) Then we went into the month playing like garbage, against the Tigers, Twins, Dodgers, Yankees – yeah, tough schedule, but they were better than that, or so we thought.
This year hurts, it sucks, but we let the opportunity pass us by up by 6-7 games. There’s nothing you can do about it. And with the horrible bullpen we had, who knew how long we’d be in the post-season?
You talk about this team not being the same..Who’s going? Duca, Glavine, probably.. Sele, Mota, Scho hopefully. Guys like Sosa, Feliciano who didn’t get the job done, maybe. But, who else? Beltran will still be around. David, Jose, Delgado for another year. The question at second base, resign Castillo or another 2nd baseman/bring back Valentin. Bring back Easley! How about Chavez? Alou? I’d keep Alou another year. Question marks around the younger guys such as Pelfrey, Milledge, Humber, Gomez, will Omar make a big trade or keep those guys. Pedro will be back. Ollie, Maine. El Duque, I guess. Is it really going to be that big of a change? I’m interested to see what happens and I just hope they learn from this and come out better and stronger than ever next year
(Oh and yeah, Go Rockies.)
I agree, same team, but we better have a better attitude.
Maybe a new RF although I’d still like to see what Thrilledge can do.
I still think Duke will be back in some cpapcity, Castro as well.
Castillo should be as long as it’s not guaranteed for too long with those knees.
Aside from that . . . Glavine definitely will be gome, maybe Mota as well. Otherwise? Same group. Hopefully a starting pitching move will help.
I’m in the vast minority here, but i don’t think the ‘pen was awful due to talent, but due to overuse. With an innings eater signing and the continued growth of Maine and Perez, maybe that will be alleviated.
This year was far more crushing than last year was to me. In 2006, we thought they would be good, but we had no idea how good they would really be throughout the regular season. At the end of Game 7, I was stunned, but I knew they’d be back in 2007 and they would be a force to be reckoned with. The off-season would be shorter, they would come back hungrier for the title, and 2007 would be the year of the Mets.
Watching this team play so well to begin the year and then adjust through the multitude of injuries was exciting. But seeing Pedro make the most amazing comeback from his surgery only to see the rest of the team flop was utterly painful.
Both seasons really hurt, but 2007 hurts more because my expectations have been so high since, well, 2006.
I have two totally different emotions between last year and this year.
Lat year, I was extremely dissapointed when they lost. However, I was exremely proud of them also. There is a lot of revisionist history going on out there about the 2006 playoffs. After Pedro went down and then El Duqie went down the day before the first game, most experts took the prohibitive NL favorite title away from the Mets. Then after Trachsel imploded and we were left with Ollie Perez starting game 7, who until that point had not had a quality start since 2004, I feared the worst. (As a Mets fan I am always expecting the worst,). In addition to dissapointment, the fact that they swept the Dodgers and took the Cards to game 7 was really something to be proud of in the long run for me. I know that the Cards had like 13 fewer wins, but it was like losing to a hot goalie in the post-season. Suppan and Wainwright pitched like Seaver and Rivera. The mets fought all season.
This year, it was like a patient on life support, who eventually crosses over, sure we had one day of a rally before they passed, but I felt like the Phils were jsut too hot. They had the mojo. However from June on this team, did not play with any fire. They were a .500 team and it showed. They played very sloppy, fell behind and never rallied, they had no sense of urgency. If i heard another Met say “We’re still in first place”, i was going to strangle them. It was quite obvious that this complacent arrogance would bite them in the butt. This season was a like a student who gets an A on the first exam, figures he’s home free for the semester, so he blows off the rest of the semester until two weeks before the final, tries to cram the whole course into the last few weeks and just ends up failing the final miserably and scores a 64 final average. There were no bad breaks the Mets had, they did this to themselves.
This was hubris from Omar to Willie to every player on this team. I hope they learn from it.
“This season was a like a student who gets an A on the first exam, figures he’s home free for the semester, so he blows off the rest of the semester until two weeks before the final, tries to cram the whole course into the last few weeks and just ends up failing the final miserably and scores a 64 final average.”
That seems a little too specific. First hand experience??????
excellent analogy
I agree on your points. I heard all the Omar and willie interviews and I hope there are changes-Peterson, Henderson and players that are changed. I don’t want to make drastic moves, as some of the ones I have seen on this site, but I don’t want the management of this team to draw a mulligan either and bring the same crew back
Troy Tulo homerun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Holiday!!
2-0!!!!
Don’t cry over baseball
Holiday = MVP
Rollins numbers good, Holiday’s (even Wright’s) better.
Matt.. I think what you discribed watching the Mets sprial down the last month was like watching a train wreak in slow motion.
why does it say on my gamecast that there was an automatic ball?
balk with no one on base?
After the pain and disappointment of Game 7 last year, I felt great about our team. It was like hearing the Grateful Dead sing Touch of Grey. “I will survive”
Now this year, I am devastated as a Mets fan. I feel horrible about not only how the season has ended but how dysfunction the entire Mets front office is. Randolph deserves a time out for the end of this year, but I never felt he should be fired. Now I’m seeing how Omar is no longer God in my book
i wonder how the sales of “in omar we trust” t shirts is going
GRAND SLAM KAZ! LOL!
Well, if we couldn’t get the job done, guess it’s good to see an old Met kill the phils.
MATSUI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I KNEW I LIKED HIM! THE CROWD JUST GOT SOOOO QUIET!! HAHA.
LOL Go Kaz!!!!!
now im happy hes a rockie haha
This season, especially the last 2 weeks, is like watching your kid fall off the picnic table or swingset when you are just out of reach of being able to help them and prevent the pain. You know what’s coming, you know it is gonna hurt, you know you are going to be upset, and it happens in front of you and all those things come true and it still leaves you with a knot in the pit of your stomach. This year was worse because expectations were higher and rightfully so. Alou’s injury started it all as far as I am concerned. that said, let’s hope they bounce right back up, brush off the dirt and kick some NL East butt in 2008!!!
Wowzer! Just heard about Matsui’s granny. Way to go Kaz.! Good luck the rest of the way.
I always felt bad for him as the booing at Shea was way too much excessive. He always tried his best.
Hope the Rockies make the WS … or the Cubbies.
This Rockies team is fun to watch…they’re going to be good for a while…
Happy for Matsui – at least he always hustled.
How good is the SS position in the NL now? Rollins, Tulowitsky, Reyes, Renteria, Greene, Hardy, Hanley…I can’t recall a stronger group of players at that position.
8-3 and Philly fans are booing…yikes…
I find myself rooting pretty hard for the ROX; ARI has been there, cubs are my second choice. Phuck the phils.
I’m going with the Cubbies but they looked dead in the water last night. Soriano needs to step up. Arizona bores me half to death (minus Brynes)
I feel so disconnected from these playoffs since the Mets arent in it. lol
Yeah, the Cubbies loooked dead. But Pinella’s pulling Zambrano when they had a lead didn’t help. I know if Willie did that his critics would have cried bloody murder. And some of you think Lou is a great manager? How could he do that in such a crucial game?
Kaz for MVP! :lol:
Ha! I was wondering if someone would mention that. Terrible move by Lou. How do you play for game four when you’re tied in game one? Also, the Cubs have three pretty good pitchers behind Zambrano. How does moving him to game four help their chances? Keep the guy out there, hope you can win the game, and then let Lilly, Hill and Marquis do their thing. You’ve got the pitching edge in every single one of this games assuming Webb is pitching game five, so at least one of them is going to win.
Odd move.
Fact is, the teams with probably the greatest probability of winning the WS, the Yanks and Sox, happen to have two of the most low-key, laid back managers in the game. A blubbering, overmanaging hothead is not always the solution. Compilig a roster of players who actually want to be there and play day-in, day-out, does.
The Sox manager is so mellow in Boston he is known as Terry Francoma.
and the guy he pulled zambrano for has been absolutely lights out. Like, ridiculous style.
I’m rooting heavily for Kaz and the Rockies. I was a fan of his when he got here, even through the tough years. He got a raw deal from Met fans and the NY media alike because of their high expectations.
Go Kaz! Wouldn’t it be crazy if he ends up with a ring?
How great was the replay of Kaz, with Phillies fans at his back waving the rally towels? The second the ball hit the bat, in unison, all of the towels went down and that third strike they so desperately craved never came.
LOl you are right Carver, Willie would be criticized to no end here and in the NY Media haha. I totally fell asleep during that game, it was on WAY too late for me. I know Webb pitched a gem. They got Lily going, and he’s like 9-1 after a Cubs loss.
Haha, that would be interesting to see the Rockies win it all and Kaz getting a ring. I guess they can do it, heck, if they can end the Phillies season they DESERVE a ring.
The worst thing about this season is the way certain mets fans turned on other mets fans. You know who I’m talking about, I’m talking about all these “believe or leave” bigmouths who were so quick to say who was and wasn’t really a Mets fan.
Where are all these bigmouths now?
Why don’t you challenge them for 10 minutes in the octagon? I’m sure that will make everyone friends again….
no. the worst thing about this season is mets fans like you who want to trade jose reyes. bet you wanted to trade wright in april too.
When Reyes partying starts turning from booze to powder, you’ll wish you traded him
Someone must have told Kaz that it was Opening Day!
that is actually very witty and funny
7-3. Jose Mesa is LOVE.
8-3!
Maybe we should consider Yorvit Torrealba…
As much as I want the Phils to lose this series, the mule-whipping they’re getting at the hands of the Rockies is inevitably even more embarassing for the Mets. How in the world did we let this team overtake us?
Matsui!!!! This is absolutely insane. I also thought Kaz got a raw deal, I’m really happy for him.
Somewhere Eli Marrero is saying, “hey, I was traded for that guy!”
…and he was worth it!
Hope that is sarcasm
Yeah, that is one way to look at it. This team just chokes. We should’ve beat hem, but it’s like mentally we could not beat them during the season, ever since June.
Hahaha. I am LOVING this. 9-3. Kaz just tripled. Matusi MVP!!
Matsui: 2B, 3B, Grand Slam, 5 RBI….wow.
I definitely took this season’s ending better than last season. The main reason is that last season felt like an injustice. I felt like the Mets were much better than the Cardinals and deserved much more to be playing in the World Series. This year, I didn’t feel like they were nearly as good. They were coasting on a hot start for most of the season. Frankly, as much of a Mets fan as I am (and I definitely am one), I haven’t really felt like they deserved the title this year. Not that I didn’t want them to get it anyway, but their not getting it doesn’t carry that same sense of injustice as last year.
On the bright side, perhaps the loss will prompt Minaya to do a better job of addressing the team’s issues in the offseason. Perhaps getting to the playoffs would have made him more complacent. The team definitely needs to overhaul the bullpen and bring down the team age a bit.
I’m convinced now more than ever the Mets not making the playoffs was a blessing in disguise. In addition to the reasons already mentioned in the previous thread, how can avoiding being thoroughly embarrassed by one of their former players not be a blessing?
The Rockies have just soooo much momentum now. Their momentum makes the Phillies’ end-of-season drive seem like a flat tire. Sad to say, but I believe the Rockies would beat the Mets in an NLDS now.
I felt worse after last year’s loss because this team was the team in the NL and should have been in the WS. This year was more of an annoyance to me and sort of the inevitable
The one thing you have to keep in mind about the Phillies: They’re not a great team. If they were this great team, then they would’ve gotten to first place A LOT earlier. The Mets were HORRIBLE the last month, so if the Phillies were a genuine contender for the playoffs, they would’ve gotten to first loooong before the last day.
I really don’t mean that to sound like I’m a bitter Mets fan (Well, I am bitter, but the Mets –not the Phillies– made me bitter), but I’m just being honest. I don’t hate the Phillies, because I’m still too angry at the Mets for what they did; the Phillies don’t even come into play for me.
Well it’s true, and often forgotten in talks these days, that despite the Phillies’ late run, they didn’t even win 90 games. That’s not a sign of a great team.
couldn’t agree more. The Phillies are very far from a great team. They were a game better than the Mets, but that’s all they were: a game better than a decent team. Last year, the Mets were a very good team, winning 97 games. 89 wins is not great, or even very good. It is merely good. There are a lot of years where 89 win teams don’t even get the Wild Card.
LOL Howard’s subway commercial again!!!!!
10-5 go away silliessssssss :[
Seems as if the Phillies have gotten bored of winning, too.
Phillies just lost. One more loss and I can watch the playoffs.
This post has nothing to do with anything, but I didn’t know where else to post it, and just found the stat shocking, and also maybe use it as a defense of Jose Reyes.
Back in 2000, Derek Bell and Lenny Harris tied for the team lead in stolen bases, with 8!! Can you even imagine that? Even Shawn Green had more stolen bases than that this year, as did Luis Castillo in just 2 months. The whole team combined for 64 steals, or 14 less than Jose Reyes by himself this year. I mean, I remember that team being slow, but jeez.
Its definitely a little depressing to hear Ron Darling but not be watching the Mets.
…call me naive, but despite their inconsistent play, i never expected the 2007 Mets season to end the way it did…
you’re naive