Comments on: Read: Citi, Supply and Demand http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/15/read-citi-supply-and-demand/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Saltzy23 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/15/read-citi-supply-and-demand/#comment-28661 Saltzy23 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:09:31 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/15/read-citi-supply-and-demand/#comment-28661 Ah, another intelligent person that can see the handwriting on the wall. I cant believe that they will raise the cheap seats from an avg of $14 per seat to $50. First off, logically that would mean that the box seats would go for between $125 and $150 and mid-range would be like $75. I cant believe they would raise prices 150%-200%. Even the Red Sox(who obviously have the highest demand for tickets) sell their bleachers for about $25 and boxes are $90. Maybe I'm wrong, but Im planning on something between $20-$25 per for the UD. I just cant imagne them thinking that they could sell UD seats for $50 face. $8,000 for 2 seats in the UD?...hard to imagine. Thats twice the highest comprable ticket in the league. $20-$25 still like a 40%-50% increase, and do-able. Im thinking standing room will be like the $15 seats we have today. Everything will 'move up one spot' as far as the price ranges. If you're right I just wasted $2k for '08....(although I love the refund deal as well. WHY WOULDNT YOU DO IT? WERE TALKING $500?) I'm hoping they have an rough idea in December though before I pay the $1700 balance. Ah, another intelligent person that can see the handwriting on the wall. I cant believe that they will raise the cheap seats from an avg of $14 per seat to $50. First off, logically that would mean that the box seats would go for between $125 and $150 and mid-range would be like $75. I cant believe they would raise prices 150%-200%. Even the Red Sox(who obviously have the highest demand for tickets) sell their bleachers for about $25 and boxes are $90. Maybe I’m wrong, but Im planning on something between $20-$25 per for the UD. I just cant imagne them thinking that they could sell UD seats for $50 face. $8,000 for 2 seats in the UD?…hard to imagine. Thats twice the highest comprable ticket in the league. $20-$25 still like a 40%-50% increase, and do-able. Im thinking standing room will be like the $15 seats we have today. Everything will ‘move up one spot’ as far as the price ranges. If you’re right I just wasted $2k for ’08….(although I love the refund deal as well. WHY WOULDNT YOU DO IT? WERE TALKING $500?) I’m hoping they have an rough idea in December though before I pay the $1700 balance.

]]> By: Felix the Cat http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/15/read-citi-supply-and-demand/#comment-28646 Felix the Cat Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:38:17 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/15/read-citi-supply-and-demand/#comment-28646 Okay, I just placed my deposit for 4 season tickets. The fact that the refund is 100% refundable if you decide not to buy come December when they go on sale makes this a no-brainer. The big question for though will be how much will the cheapest seats in Citifield cost when it opens. If they're $50 I'm going to have a hell of a time convincing my wife on season tickets for 2009. Okay, I just placed my deposit for 4 season tickets. The fact that the refund is 100% refundable if you decide not to buy come December when they go on sale makes this a no-brainer.

The big question for though will be how much will the cheapest seats in Citifield cost when it opens. If they’re $50 I’m going to have a hell of a time convincing my wife on season tickets for 2009.

]]> By: Saltzy23 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/15/read-citi-supply-and-demand/#comment-28595 Saltzy23 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:55:20 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/15/read-citi-supply-and-demand/#comment-28595 Nope. If you call the BO they'll tell you though. Personally I really don't care where my seats are this year. I asked if the priority in '09 is gonna be done by price range or seniority of accounts and was told its gonna be done by whos had an account the longest. If thats the case why spend more at Shea this year for 'better' seats, if I can just put that money towards a better location in '09. I REALLY want seats on the RF porch that overhangs the field. Thats gonna be a great place to be. Nope. If you call the BO they’ll tell you though. Personally I really don’t care where my seats are this year. I asked if the priority in ’09 is gonna be done by price range or seniority of accounts and was told its gonna be done by whos had an account the longest. If thats the case why spend more at Shea this year for ‘better’ seats, if I can just put that money towards a better location in ’09. I REALLY want seats on the RF porch that overhangs the field. Thats gonna be a great place to be.

]]> By: Felix the Cat http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/15/read-citi-supply-and-demand/#comment-28582 Felix the Cat Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:29:03 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/15/read-citi-supply-and-demand/#comment-28582 Any idea how much some of the other seats were in '07? Mezzanine box and mezz reserved for instance? Any idea how much some of the other seats were in ’07? Mezzanine box and mezz reserved for instance?

]]> By: Saltzy23 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/15/read-citi-supply-and-demand/#comment-28576 Saltzy23 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:21:14 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/15/read-citi-supply-and-demand/#comment-28576 I just started an account yesterday. I'm assuming you know you need season tickets next year in order to have priority at tickets for Citi Field. Right now you need to put down a $250 per '08 ticket deposit. Supposedly they'll call in December to finalize your seats and pay the balance. My rep told me that the cheapest seat in '07 were $1130 per seat(and after the debacle they arent sure how much they are gonna go up). They have no clue how much '09 is gonna be yet, but from my perspective, who cares?.....Im gonna sell 40 games for over face and see the rest for a minmal amount or hopefully free. I just started an account yesterday. I’m assuming you know you need season tickets next year in order to have priority at tickets for Citi Field. Right now you need to put down a $250 per ’08 ticket deposit. Supposedly they’ll call in December to finalize your seats and pay the balance. My rep told me that the cheapest seat in ’07 were $1130 per seat(and after the debacle they arent sure how much they are gonna go up). They have no clue how much ’09 is gonna be yet, but from my perspective, who cares?…..Im gonna sell 40 games for over face and see the rest for a minmal amount or hopefully free.

]]> By: Felix the Cat http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/15/read-citi-supply-and-demand/#comment-28567 Felix the Cat Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:07:18 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/15/read-citi-supply-and-demand/#comment-28567 How much were 2007 season tickets and have there been estimates given on how much 2009 season tickets will be? How much were 2007 season tickets and have there been estimates given on how much 2009 season tickets will be?

]]> By: nydre78 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/15/read-citi-supply-and-demand/#comment-28537 nydre78 Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:54:12 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/15/read-citi-supply-and-demand/#comment-28537 The total capacity for Citifield is about 45,000. But what they arent saying is that it will be divided up as 41,000 actual seats while another 4,000 will be standing room only. So the new stadium will actually have 14,000 fewer seats than Shea rather than 10,000. Not too thrilled about that. The total capacity for Citifield is about 45,000. But what they arent saying is that it will be divided up as 41,000 actual seats while another 4,000 will be standing room only. So the new stadium will actually have 14,000 fewer seats than Shea rather than 10,000. Not too thrilled about that.

]]> By: 7-train http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/15/read-citi-supply-and-demand/#comment-28528 7-train Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:15:02 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/15/read-citi-supply-and-demand/#comment-28528 http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teams/metsattn.shtml Those are the Mets attendance records from '62 - 2006. Here is 2007: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/attendance Only once (this year) have the Mets averaged more than 45,000 fans per game. This year the average was 47,579 per game. There were 38 crowds of more than 50,000 at Shea this year. http://tinyurl.com/yoakgq Shea's capacity is 55,601 seats. Let's say the average attendance on the 38 dates above 50,000 fans was 53,000. That is a conservative estimate since most of those dates were probably closer to sellouts. That means 2,014,000 fans went during those 38 games. Subtract that from 3,853,937 the total attendance for 2007 and you are left with 1,839,937 fans attending the other 43 dates and you have an average attendance of 42,790 fans per game on those dates. This year's attendance numbers obviously include all of the game day and single purchase tickets that people seem to think will disappear at Citi Field. Things will be fine. You will still see the Mets in person, in a beautiful park that will hopefully have ice cold Brooklyn Lager flowing like water. Shea is a dump. We need a new park and we're getting what appears to be a beautiful one. Why are some people such whiners? Do you guys sit in your moms' basement and smoke pot all day? How about you don't buy a 50 sack one day in 2009 and buy tix to a Mets game instead. So a lot of tickets will be owned by corporations. Big deal. That is what lets us get Beltran and Pedro and is why Wright and Reyes are locked in to mulit-year deals and we're not hearing how this year and next will be our last shots to win with them before we have to trade them because we can't afford them. Honestly, don't you guys know people with season tickets or who work for companies that have them? I assure you that Citi will be a hot ticket, but it won't be impossible to get in. http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teams/metsattn.shtml

Those are the Mets attendance records from ’62 – 2006.

Here is 2007:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/attendance

Only once (this year) have the Mets averaged more than 45,000 fans per game. This year the average was 47,579 per game.

There were 38 crowds of more than 50,000 at Shea this year. http://tinyurl.com/yoakgq

Shea’s capacity is 55,601 seats.

Let’s say the average attendance on the 38 dates above 50,000 fans was 53,000. That is a conservative estimate since most of those dates were probably closer to sellouts. That means 2,014,000 fans went during those 38 games. Subtract that from 3,853,937 the total attendance for 2007 and you are left with 1,839,937 fans attending the other 43 dates and you have an average attendance of 42,790 fans per game on those dates.

This year’s attendance numbers obviously include all of the game day and single purchase tickets that people seem to think will disappear at Citi Field.

Things will be fine. You will still see the Mets in person, in a beautiful park that will hopefully have ice cold Brooklyn Lager flowing like water.

Shea is a dump. We need a new park and we’re getting what appears to be a beautiful one. Why are some people such whiners? Do you guys sit in your moms’ basement and smoke pot all day? How about you don’t buy a 50 sack one day in 2009 and buy tix to a Mets game instead. So a lot of tickets will be owned by corporations. Big deal. That is what lets us get Beltran and Pedro and is why Wright and Reyes are locked in to mulit-year deals and we’re not hearing how this year and next will be our last shots to win with them before we have to trade them because we can’t afford them. Honestly, don’t you guys know people with season tickets or who work for companies that have them? I assure you that Citi will be a hot ticket, but it won’t be impossible to get in.

]]> By: Saltzy23 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/15/read-citi-supply-and-demand/#comment-28509 Saltzy23 Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:14:01 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/15/read-citi-supply-and-demand/#comment-28509 All fair points. Its actually really cool to see all the opinions on the subject being that I knew I was gonna buy season tickets the day they announced Citi Field. I guess its almost impossible to predict how difficult they will be due to the fact that its almost 2 years away(who knows what the team will look like in '09), plus the effect of the Yanks moving into Sacriledge Field the same year. I've read every article I can on the subject and I still stand pat on 'They are gonna be impossible to get.' If what I'm reading is true, the 45,000 number includes those in the boxes, and that the number of seats available is closer to 33,000 per game. Subtract those people(and corporation tickets) that have season tickets and go to every game and you're looking at like 20,000 seats per game. Hard to imagine even the cheapest seats going for less than $40-$50 for the first 5-6 years if thats the case. You know the corporations arent gonna sell any of their expensive seats to people. I agree that eventually the thrill will wear off a little, but with only 45,000 total seats, NYC being as big a baseball town as it is, the Mets being (hopefully) competeitive every year.....Im just not seeing where all these tickets people think they're getting are coming from. Again, 3.8 Mil at Shea this year....3.645 Mil total capacity(plus add in a whole bunch of new season ticket holders. One article says that 75% of it is gonna be Season Tickets) at Citi Field and its just a numbers game. All fair points. Its actually really cool to see all the opinions on the subject being that I knew I was gonna buy season tickets the day they announced Citi Field. I guess its almost impossible to predict how difficult they will be due to the fact that its almost 2 years away(who knows what the team will look like in ’09), plus the effect of the Yanks moving into Sacriledge Field the same year. I’ve read every article I can on the subject and I still stand pat on ‘They are gonna be impossible to get.’ If what I’m reading is true, the 45,000 number includes those in the boxes, and that the number of seats available is closer to 33,000 per game. Subtract those people(and corporation tickets) that have season tickets and go to every game and you’re looking at like 20,000 seats per game. Hard to imagine even the cheapest seats going for less than $40-$50 for the first 5-6 years if thats the case. You know the corporations arent gonna sell any of their expensive seats to people. I agree that eventually the thrill will wear off a little, but with only 45,000 total seats, NYC being as big a baseball town as it is, the Mets being (hopefully) competeitive every year…..Im just not seeing where all these tickets people think they’re getting are coming from. Again, 3.8 Mil at Shea this year….3.645 Mil total capacity(plus add in a whole bunch of new season ticket holders. One article says that 75% of it is gonna be Season Tickets) at Citi Field and its just a numbers game.

]]> By: Paid Like Mike Gallego http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/15/read-citi-supply-and-demand/#comment-28500 Paid Like Mike Gallego Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:46:56 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/15/read-citi-supply-and-demand/#comment-28500 He actually played in 2006 (2005 was the season that he missed almost all of their games ... came back in September to hit a few HRs). I actually agree with your general principle ... that cheap seats will be difficult to come by for the next 5 years. The Giants, however, are a unique situation given (a) Barry Bonds' presence in their lineup and (b) the fact that from 2002 through 2004 - the Giants averaged over 95 wins per season, made the playoffs twice and went to one World Series). As a result, although Bonds was hurt in 2005, the Giants were coming off three great seasons and thus attendance was maintained. He actually played in 2006 (2005 was the season that he missed almost all of their games … came back in September to hit a few HRs). I actually agree with your general principle … that cheap seats will be difficult to come by for the next 5 years.

The Giants, however, are a unique situation given (a) Barry Bonds’ presence in their lineup and (b) the fact that from 2002 through 2004 – the Giants averaged over 95 wins per season, made the playoffs twice and went to one World Series). As a result, although Bonds was hurt in 2005, the Giants were coming off three great seasons and thus attendance was maintained.

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