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	<title>Comments on: Read: Would the Mets Pursue Torre</title>
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		<title>By: VCarver</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/16/read-would-the-mets-pursue-torre/#comment-28800</link>
		<dc:creator>VCarver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Gun to your head, which team has the better shot at the playoffs next year?&lt;/b&gt;

Neither. While Chamberlain and Hughes were impactful this year, neither has long-term success in the majors the way even Maine and Perez do. I&#039;ll take the Mets young core of Beltran-Wright-Reyes over any 3 position players the Yankees will likely bring back.  But both teams need to fix problems over the winter so it remains to be seen who will improve the most before next season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Gun to your head, which team has the better shot at the playoffs next year?</b></p>
<p>Neither. While Chamberlain and Hughes were impactful this year, neither has long-term success in the majors the way even Maine and Perez do. I&#8217;ll take the Mets young core of Beltran-Wright-Reyes over any 3 position players the Yankees will likely bring back.  But both teams need to fix problems over the winter so it remains to be seen who will improve the most before next season.</p>
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		<title>By: DaveKingman442</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/10/16/read-would-the-mets-pursue-torre/#comment-28742</link>
		<dc:creator>DaveKingman442</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If bringing in Torre meant firing Randolph, then I am all for it. Randolph is NOT a winner-- his team just choked down the stretch. And not just this year...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If bringing in Torre meant firing Randolph, then I am all for it. Randolph is NOT a winner&#8211; his team just choked down the stretch. And not just this year&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Danny1986</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny1986</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead of giving the emotional and substance-lacking &quot;But it&#039;s Mariano Phuking Riviera&quot; argument, I&#039;ll address your point.

Mariano will be 38 when next season rolls around.  I can see that as a concern, but I don&#039;t see any proof of him slowing down.  He appears immune to age and that speaks to his near effortless arm motion. But considering his 2007 stats (I did not watch many Yankee games this year by obvious choice).....He had 3 loses and 2 blown saves prior to May 8th.  This was a time when every reliever in the league was blowing games, which is an early season trend.  I don&#039;t grant it much relevance in respect to Mariano&#039;s down-trend.  From May onward, he was completely lights out.  He is not the Mariano of 2000, but that is not required.  Hell, even 80% of Mariano is better than 100% of anyone else.  And I am honestly not seeing a Mariano that is at all far from his peak form.  He&#039;s phenomenal.

I also think it would benefit him to go to the NL and face batters who aren&#039;t familiar with him.  His career interleague and WS stats are phenomenal, and even better when you eliminate the Mets (who have had more success against him) from that equation. 

Mariano can go beyond one inning.  Has proven to get better as the season progresses. He is automatic in the postseason.  Not to mention the instant credibility he would bring to the struggling bullpen.  Recent postseasons, and especially this current postseason, has taught us that it is all about the bullpen.  If the Mets did happen to make it to October this season, they surely would not have made it too far.  And that&#039;s based solely on their horrible bullpen.  No sour grapes...just facts.

I would honestly give Rivera $11M-14M per for 3 years. I wouldn&#039;t even blink.  Think about it.....we then have an Orosco/Mcdowell tandem with Wagner and Mariano.  With Feliciano, Heilman, and an effective Sanchez (best case)  or Joe Smith setting them up.  That would give us all less concern about El Duque or Humber/Pelfrey developing in the rotation, b/c the best bullpen in MLB history would  be backing them up.  

This one move would have a positive domino effect on the entire pitching staff.  It essentially makes every game next year a 7 inning contest. I would sign Mariano before considering going after another over-paid rotation arm, or addressing the lineup....both of which will likely cost the same amount of dough. 



If that doesn&#039;t do it for you...then how about:  

BUT IT&#039;S MARIANO PHUKING RIVERA!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of giving the emotional and substance-lacking &#8220;But it&#8217;s Mariano Phuking Riviera&#8221; argument, I&#8217;ll address your point.</p>
<p>Mariano will be 38 when next season rolls around.  I can see that as a concern, but I don&#8217;t see any proof of him slowing down.  He appears immune to age and that speaks to his near effortless arm motion. But considering his 2007 stats (I did not watch many Yankee games this year by obvious choice)&#8230;..He had 3 loses and 2 blown saves prior to May 8th.  This was a time when every reliever in the league was blowing games, which is an early season trend.  I don&#8217;t grant it much relevance in respect to Mariano&#8217;s down-trend.  From May onward, he was completely lights out.  He is not the Mariano of 2000, but that is not required.  Hell, even 80% of Mariano is better than 100% of anyone else.  And I am honestly not seeing a Mariano that is at all far from his peak form.  He&#8217;s phenomenal.</p>
<p>I also think it would benefit him to go to the NL and face batters who aren&#8217;t familiar with him.  His career interleague and WS stats are phenomenal, and even better when you eliminate the Mets (who have had more success against him) from that equation. </p>
<p>Mariano can go beyond one inning.  Has proven to get better as the season progresses. He is automatic in the postseason.  Not to mention the instant credibility he would bring to the struggling bullpen.  Recent postseasons, and especially this current postseason, has taught us that it is all about the bullpen.  If the Mets did happen to make it to October this season, they surely would not have made it too far.  And that&#8217;s based solely on their horrible bullpen.  No sour grapes&#8230;just facts.</p>
<p>I would honestly give Rivera $11M-14M per for 3 years. I wouldn&#8217;t even blink.  Think about it&#8230;..we then have an Orosco/Mcdowell tandem with Wagner and Mariano.  With Feliciano, Heilman, and an effective Sanchez (best case)  or Joe Smith setting them up.  That would give us all less concern about El Duque or Humber/Pelfrey developing in the rotation, b/c the best bullpen in MLB history would  be backing them up.  </p>
<p>This one move would have a positive domino effect on the entire pitching staff.  It essentially makes every game next year a 7 inning contest. I would sign Mariano before considering going after another over-paid rotation arm, or addressing the lineup&#8230;.both of which will likely cost the same amount of dough. </p>
<p>If that doesn&#8217;t do it for you&#8230;then how about:  </p>
<p>BUT IT&#8217;S MARIANO PHUKING RIVERA!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Trumpzilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trumpzilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can have the Mets situation over the last 2 years. Going forward the Yanks actually have a future. They have these things called young pitchers. Who can actually pitch! Unlike Mike Pelfrey who is just a laughable bust at this point. God knows what Humber will do but I have little hope for him.

Gun to your head, which team has the better shot at the playoffs next year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can have the Mets situation over the last 2 years. Going forward the Yanks actually have a future. They have these things called young pitchers. Who can actually pitch! Unlike Mike Pelfrey who is just a laughable bust at this point. God knows what Humber will do but I have little hope for him.</p>
<p>Gun to your head, which team has the better shot at the playoffs next year?</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget Joe&#039;s four championships...</description>
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		<title>By: icedrake523</title>
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		<dc:creator>icedrake523</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I had the choice of Willie or Joe, I&#039;d pick Joe. Unlike Willie, he&#039;s won more than one (1) division. But I would rather have a lot of other guys over those 2 morons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had the choice of Willie or Joe, I&#8217;d pick Joe. Unlike Willie, he&#8217;s won more than one (1) division. But I would rather have a lot of other guys over those 2 morons.</p>
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		<title>By: Ceetar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ceetar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh please.  The Red Sox don&#039;t even factor in.  The Yankees only drew 400k extra fans than the Mets.  I&#039;d rather have the Mets situation over the last two years than the Yankees.  The Mets played more baseball games over the last two years. To Truly take back the city, the Mets need to go to the World Series in a year the Yankees don&#039;t matter past early-mid september.  But baring that, it&#039;s very naerly a shared city right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh please.  The Red Sox don&#8217;t even factor in.  The Yankees only drew 400k extra fans than the Mets.  I&#8217;d rather have the Mets situation over the last two years than the Yankees.  The Mets played more baseball games over the last two years. To Truly take back the city, the Mets need to go to the World Series in a year the Yankees don&#8217;t matter past early-mid september.  But baring that, it&#8217;s very naerly a shared city right now.</p>
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		<title>By: gomets6091</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just want to remind people that the original Mets manager (and one of only 3 retired Mets numbers) was Casey Stengel, who had won 7 World Series as Yankees manager, the last of which was only 4 years before he took over the Mets. Additionally, Yogi Berra took the Mets to the 1973 World Series, who was slightly more well know for his successes with the Yankees. So the Mets do have some precedence in this department. 

That said, no way do I want the Mets getting Torre as their manager. If he&#039;s willing to be a bench coach, I&#039;d take him in a heartbeat, but there&#039;s no way he would be willing to take a demotion. I would, however, take Rivera in a heartbeat. I hate the Yankees, but I don&#039;t know how anyone could deny that Rivera is the greatest relief pitcher ever, and is still one of the top 3 or 4 in the game today...and I for one would trust him more than I&#039;d trust Wagner right now. But it doesn&#039;t matter, none of it is gonna happen, so why get all worked up about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just want to remind people that the original Mets manager (and one of only 3 retired Mets numbers) was Casey Stengel, who had won 7 World Series as Yankees manager, the last of which was only 4 years before he took over the Mets. Additionally, Yogi Berra took the Mets to the 1973 World Series, who was slightly more well know for his successes with the Yankees. So the Mets do have some precedence in this department. </p>
<p>That said, no way do I want the Mets getting Torre as their manager. If he&#8217;s willing to be a bench coach, I&#8217;d take him in a heartbeat, but there&#8217;s no way he would be willing to take a demotion. I would, however, take Rivera in a heartbeat. I hate the Yankees, but I don&#8217;t know how anyone could deny that Rivera is the greatest relief pitcher ever, and is still one of the top 3 or 4 in the game today&#8230;and I for one would trust him more than I&#8217;d trust Wagner right now. But it doesn&#8217;t matter, none of it is gonna happen, so why get all worked up about it.</p>
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		<title>By: stevehendu</title>
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		<dc:creator>stevehendu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally!!! Unequivical proof that Ken Rosenthal is on crack!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally!!! Unequivical proof that Ken Rosenthal is on crack!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know man. Mo looked a lot more beatable this year. He is 100% on the downside of his career and would cost a mint. I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know man. Mo looked a lot more beatable this year. He is 100% on the downside of his career and would cost a mint. I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s worth it.</p>
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