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Reports from the Associated Press note that Mets pitcher Orlando Hernandez had surgery today in New York on his right foot and expects to be ready by spring training.
El Duque, who had a bunion removed from his toe, is entering the second season of a $12 million, two-year contract.
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We need him for “meaningful” games in September and October, and sadly, his age showed the last two seasons. I can’t expect anything different when he’s one year older, aka 50 years old.
“Aka” stands for “also known as.” What you mean is “i.e.” or “id est,” meaning “which is.”
know what I’m sayin’
the translation of i.e. is actually closer to “that is”
The Professor speaks.
disregard this comment–i just posting something else and it didnt come up right away, i’m just trying to see if maybe i hit the wrong button (not “add comment”)
Why did we sign this guy to a 2 year deal?? we’re getting older at the most important position in baseball!
So…are you telling me Brian Lawrence and Phillip Humber started huge September games because of a bunion?
The Yankees part ways with a manager who deserved to keep his job, while the Mets keep a manager who deserved to lose his.
Ironic.
Enough with the Willie bashing.
First off, bite me. I’ll say whatever I want.
Secondly, it isn’t like I don’t like Willie. I don’t even think that he is a bad manager.
But if you don’t think that the Mets would have been well within their right to fire him for the pathetic finish to the season, then you have your head in your ass.
they would be well within their right to fire him right now if they want… its their team…
but it would be a band aid for the larger issues… like the piss poor bullpen and a starting rotation that trails into nothingness…
we all know willie is on a deservingly short leash, but lets let the man make an effort to fix the situation, then base where to go from there.
We have lots of good in house options to take over if the team falters out of the gate.
El Duque will be fine by spring training……………………….and will break down again during the most important part of the season in 2008.
Woopee.
Hey, The guy could still be of use, I wonder if anyone has ever platooned a rotation spot ex. El Duque & Mulvey
If the Mets decide to go with a rotation platoon, rest assured that Mulvey is not a front runner to be a part of it.
I was surprised that nowhere in this post or your comments were added what John Delcos reported:
“Surgery on the the tendon of his right foot could be at the end of next week.”
he should do a clemens start pitching in July so he has the chance to pitch down the stretch
With all of the comments about how old El Duque “actually is”, it seems ironic that he ends up with bunions, an ailment which usually afflicts people like grandmother…
I don’t even want El Duque on this team. Especially not in an important role in the starting rotation. I am so tired of these undependable old men that we are forced to rely on so heavily.
I wish Omar would try to go in a new direction. But Duque a bus ticket out of Flushing with Glavine.
how could you possibly want el duque off the team?
you think the 6 million el duque makes this year is going to prevent the mets from getting anyone? Is it his bad attitude? His constant complaining? the fact that he falters in big games? (note sarcasm)
The best case is that we get some other pitchers and el duque is either the 5th starter (which allows pelf/humber to get some more work in the minors) or a bullpen guy.
and if he stays healthy all year, awesome! If he gets hurt, then we thank him for his couple starts/appearances and move on. Maybe he retires a met…
He may not make it to the postseason… but lets get there first.
Sarcasm noted.
How about we see El Duque stay healthy long enough to pitch in a big game for the Mets before we count on how good he is in them. I don’t care what El Duque did 5 or 6 years ago.
Unless we make a significant addition to our rotation this offseason, we absolutely cannot rely on El Duque to anchor an all important spot in the rotation.
El Duque is on this team. I’m not sure you would find a trading partner for him, unless we eat contract. I would prefer to see him coming out of the pen as long man. Counting on him every fifth day would not be wise.
I have no problem with Hernandez on the staff.
He can be a spot starter or come out of the pen.
I’m not convinced that Pelfrey or Humber is a better option as a starter.
Mets will hopefully trade for one. Oakland is a likely target with the Blanton/Harden combo. They are not easy to deal with but I’d try.
Harden? No way. At the rate he’s going, he’s more likely to be non tendered. 16 games in 2 seasons is not anything I’d pay for. He’s due 4.5 million. If I want uncertain, I’ll go with Humber.
Blanton is a guy who could have easily translated in to 5 or 6 more wins for us this season. Considering the year Haren had, Blanton seems to me the logical choice.
if we’re going to use El Duque next year, we have to give him a rest start every month or so. He is such a liability. In 2003, the Yanks lost David Wells in the 2nd inning with back spasms, and that marked the end of that series. This year, they lost Roger Clemens in the 3rd, and he somehow got bailed out by Damon and Cano. Do we really want to get into that position, where we could be in a playoff game and have the Duke go down with injury in the 2nd or 3rd inning? I think it might not be a bad idea to put Hernandez in the bullpen, since we’ll have Pedro, Ollie, Maine, Pelfrey, and hopefully Santana. If Pelfrey busts, we can bring Duque back into the mix.
we are not gonna get santana. and to the guy who said he hopes the mets go 0-21. you dont deserve to wear anything mets related. that was uncalled for.
Trade Proposal: David Wright and Pelfrey/humber to the Mariners for Felix Hernandez, Johjima and a reliever.
Then go all out to sign A-rod
I miss mets1
Trade Proposal: Mets2 for a real Mets fan
Trade D-Wright?? Maybe for Santana, Nathan and Morneau
Even then it still is a no. You can’t trade David Wright for anyone, he is the face of the Mets right now. Maybe if you could get Ty Cobb or Babe Ruth in their prime for him but since you obviously can’t Wright isn’t going anywhere, same goes for Reyes.
Okay, get off the hashpipe.
If the Twins are high enough to accept David Wright for Santana and Morneau, then Wright is gone even if Omar has to drive him to the Metrodome himself.
I know that David is our most popular player, but let’s not be stupid.
Do you have any idea how much revenue the Mets would lose by trading away Wright? Thousands of fans would stop buying tickets and watching the games on SNY as well as the loss of sales of David Wright merchandise which no matter what you say would not be matched by Santana or Morneau’s. You can’t trade him for anyone, it would be economically irresponsible.
Duque is going to be needed. The only pitchers the Mets can count on to make 32-34 starts next year are Maine and Perez.
Pedro hasnt shown the ability to pitch on less than 5 day rest since before his surgery, Pelfrey hasnt shown the ability to pitch well in the bigs or the minors when he makes multiple starts on 4 days rest, and anyone else is going to be a crapshoot.
I’m not suggesting a 6 man rotation, but having Duque and Pelfrey both on the staff as 5th starters/long men, and Sosa in the pen to be another spot start option, will be a good plan for next year with Pedro and Duque on the team.
Of course this still leaves the #1 spot up in the air, which is the most important move the Mets have to make this offseason.
regarding the #1 spot…
I was looking over the IP totals to see where Glavine’s numbers fall. Tommy was 37th in all of baseball, which sets him up as a solid #2 starter in terms of IP at least.
What I found interesting was that ahead of Glavine on the list are Jeff Suppan, Gil Meche, and Ted Lilly. All three are looking like they would have been smart signings after just one year.
Garland and Vasquez also accumulated more innings, and of course Blanton and Haren as well. Obviously being in the AL helps, but not to that much of an extent. Hopefully Omar learns from this and doesnt let the chance to pick up someone similar get by him again this offseason.
The one Yankee that the Mets would really benefit by signing would be Andy Pettitte. If they’re going to target anyone. Solid innings eater that would help the pen greatly.
But I wonder how we would feel about bringing in another former Astro…
That is the problem with the majority of posters on this website; everyone feels that we can swindle other teams into giving us major league talent for r young players who have proven absolutely nothing at the major league level.
If you check out mlbtraderumors it says the Yankees could potentially offer Wang, Cabrera, and Kennedy for Santana. That sounds a whole lot better than Pelfrey, Gomez, and Mulvey.
As for the trade of Wright it would be strictly contingent on the mets signing A-rod.
Lastly, as for me not being a real mets fan, you are completely wrong. I am a realistic mets fan.
please explain how hoping the Mets season is over before May 1st is being a realistic Mets fan.
You’re right, I forgot David Wright plays all nine positions on the field for the Mets.
And A-rod does?
the Dodgers are the likely team that could sign Arod.
just by dumping Nomar and Gonzo they save 15 million.
It’s kinder out here in L.A. and the Yankees have given Arod the out he needed.
The Mets won’t be involved in this.
If I was Omar I would offer posada a 45 million dollar 3 year deal. I think the yanks get Jorge but why not get in the game.
Is he worth 15 million per? no but there is no discount in today’s moneyball. He is an upgrade over LoDuca.
Sorry but posada is 36 years old and on the downside as a catcher. Also, in allof his postseason experience, his average is .230 in postseason games with very few extra base hits. No way we spend $45 mil on him. Bring back lo duca. the met with heart….
i think castro is the best option for us by a longshot…
This is a bit off the beaten path but related to the “El Duque to the bullpen” topic…
MLB Trade Rumors reported last night that there has been talk about the Yankees trading Melky Cabrera, Wang, and Ian Kennedy for Johan Santana… and then signing Rowand as a free agent to fill the CF position vacated by the traded Cabrera.
Yikes.
If this happens, there will be a lot of disappointed Mets fans here who think Santana is already on his to Flushing. I’ve been thinking it and saying it all along, I don’t think Santana will be here. And if this offer from the Yanks to the Twins has any basis in reality and comes to fruition, the Twins would be crazy to turn that kind of offer down. I could not see any team beating that offer, with the possible exception of the Dodgers or Angels. The Yankees offer to me seems superior on all levels, because all the players they are currently considering to offer for Santana have all
(1) experienced some positive results at the major league level,
(2) are all major league ready with nothing more to prove in the minors, or have played in the majors for more than 1+ seasons,
(3) and all 3 players have high ceilings (in other words, none of them are considered “mid-level” prospects, and…
(4) all 3 players are young and have inexpensive contracts which the Twins will control for quite a few years to come.
Given the Twins perspective, I’d jump on this offer if they feel they can not extend Santana to a long term contract. With Torii Hunter likely moving on, Melky Cabrera would be a great replacement in CF than what the Mets could offer with either Milledge or Gomez. Wang and Kennedy also beat any pitching prospects the Mets could offer (Pelfrey, Humber, Mulvey, etc).
Let’s face it, those wishing for Santana (including me) are going to be sorely disappointed. Its time to move on from the wishful thinking and hope that Minaya will take his focus to more easily obtainable targets for the starting rotation so that El Duque can be more effectively used as a long man/spot starter.
I’m kind of surprised Matt hasn’t picked up on this article, because the Yankees trading for Santana and/or signing Rowand during this off season will have an effect on what Minaya will be able to do to improve this team. I guess with the Yankees getting in the way and throwing their massive dollars around once more, improving the Mets roster will now become that much more expensive as the market climbs once more to ridiculous and obscene salary levels.
So much for MLB owners using or having fiscal responsibility. They have no credibility any longer. The next time ownership cries poor mouth, I am going to ignore them.
Wang and Santana are a regular season wash. Although Wang faded a bit down the stretch. This is why any offer the Mets would make for Santana STARTS with Maine.
thats alot for just a rumor.
We will have to give up more then you offer to get santana.
I dont think wang is that great (not that he is bad… but he is prob gonna end up a quality #3). Kennedy is very young and Cabrera is not the top CF prospect in the game. I would take LMillz over Cabrera any day of the week.
If we offer Maine, F-Mart and either Gomez or Humber or Pelf I think that is better then the yankees offer… In fact i am not sure that is even good for us!
Nobody in their right mind would trade Maine. Why would you trade one pitcher to get another when you need to add the number of quality pitchers you have? Yes, obviously Santana is better because he is the best in the game right now, but Maine is also a great pitcher and you need to keep him, otherwise you are practically throwing away prospects. How many more wins do you really think Santana would get you over Maine? 4-5 most likely assuming they both have seasons similar to ‘07, is that really worth 2 or 3 of your best prospects and millions more out of your payroll for an older player?
Honestly if you think we are getting A-Rod or Santana you are about to be sadly mistaken.
Shall we start pontificating on who is the 2008 version of Park or Lawrence when El Duque isn’t ready to go in April?
There is no way that I pencil El Duque in to the rotation. He’s my back up plan if a starter needs to miss a start. No way is he getting 20% of the starts
hopefully El Duque (and Humber) is (are) the 2008 version of Lawrence and Park.
I heard a rumor that Omar asked Ricky Ledee to convert to a pitcher over the winter.
I would be surprised if omar doesn’t offer ledee a multi-year deal! Omar better go to plan B his plan to go with washed up veterans has failed miserably…I have lost all faith that Omar will do the right thing…
Why not try to get Noah Lowry & Randy WInn for Rueben Gotay and Carlos Gomez? The Giants desperately need offense and salary relief. Lowry’s value is low, Winn fills a need for a fourth OF/RH bat off the bench. With Alou and Beltran, He could easily see 80 games in the OF.
what need for a 4th outfielder? remember endy chavez? game 7, the catch, folk hero, etc.? he’s on the team.
maybe he’s not old enough for the mets, though. omar and willie might like bringing in a veteran with pennant race experience. another 57 year old man is exactly what this team needs
as far as lowry for gomez? i doubt they make that trade, but it’s not a terrible idea
ah sorry i thought winn was older. he’s but he’s not much for a corner outfielder from the right side and definitely not worth gotay
And to be honest if we traded with the Giants I’d much rather get Cain or Linceceum [or whatever his name is]. Lowry is a similar pitcher to Tom Glavine, I believe that is enough for more than half of Mets fans to hate him.
I would love to get Lincecum. Rick Peterson could probably fix him in 5 minutes! It would probably take us giving them Blastings Thrilledge and maybe an Humber or something . . . and I would do it.
Yeah I would too if it was Gomez over Milledge. I was at the game at Shea where Lincecum started against the Mets. A very high 90’s fastball from a durable young pitcher with other developed pitches? I love that… it’s too bad we don’t have one [Pelfrey...].
well we’re talking about lowry because it’s somewhat reasonable for gomez. cain or lincecum would cost a ton
im watching game 1 of the mets vs yankees in the WS just sayin i hate benitez hate hate hate hate hate HIM
and now for a change of pace…the Jets lose…
Yeah… the question is who sucks more; Pennington or the defense?
willie randolph………… today i was watching Mets weekly and they asked a question to willie, I havn’t heard him speak in around 20 days, hearing his whiny vague disgusting voice made me shiver
Tough one….looks like they both mailed it in during the second half.
wow did the redsox fans just chant “dice k dice k dice k dice kayyyy”
You are a disgrace.
End of Story.
brilliant idea lets get rid of an even keeled former yankee who mismanages a bullpen and doesnt do “NL stuff” like squeeze, for an even keeled former yankee that mismanages bullpens and doesnt do “nl stuff” like squeeze.
ehhhh