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Mets GM Omar Minaya told reporters today that RHP Ambiorix Burgos will likely miss most of next season, though it’s possible he could pitch towards the end the season.
Burgos underwent Tommy John surgery in late August.
On the bright side, Minaya said RHP Duaner Sanchez could take part in Winter Ball and will certainly be ready for spring training.
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Hit the Treadmill Duaner!
Please, Duaner, give us a reason to treat you like a hero when you come back.
Holy Joe Foy, did KC snooker Omar good with this Burgos stiff. Damn you, Brian Bannister, for not being Hispanic.
your off base here. While I think it may end up being a deal favorable to KC…..we got a reliever who throws 97 routinely and had touched 100 multiple times in live action. He also threw to a mid 3 era and 1.10 whip while pitching for us this year before being hurt.
Burgos has the potential to be either a back end of the pen guy or a top flight starter if they convert him which has been discussed.
Check back in 2 years to get a better feel.
He throws a straight fastball and has no other pitch to keep hitters guessing.
He is a Benitez/Julio clone.
Wow, you really confuse me, 7-train. One day you’re defending the Bannister deal and hyping Burgos, the next minute you’re bashing him. So which is it?
Or are there two posters with “7-train” or something similar in their names?
100MPH is nothing to sneeze at. I don’t see many 100 mph fastballs turned around. I remember Piazza taking Wagner deep in that Houston series in 98 but even he went the other way on it. Problem is, you have to throw it for strikes and when guys have to swing. Throwing it for strike one and then throwing a 94 mph for the next pitch and you get burned. You have ot be consistent.. Burgos is a stiff. A talented stiff, but a stiff.
yeah just like motas 99 mph fastball blew past everyone this year…………. sigh
I never liked the Burgos trade. I believe there is a “7-train local” poster or something to that effect.
I said right when the trade happened that I didn’t like seeing Bannister go. I don’t think he’ll ever be an ace but he could be a Rick Reed 3 or 4 slot innings eater.
My apologies. It must have been the other poster with a name so similar to yours. I was having an argument not too long ago with him/her about Omar’s deals, and we disagreed very strongly about the wisdom of the Bannister/Burgos deal.
Laugh out load funny!!!
Sadly, spot on!
I look at it like this, would I trade Jae Sou and Brian Bannister for Duaner and Burgos. If Duaner throws like he did before the accident, I say yeah.
AWESOME! We NEED Duaner back, lets only hope that he is able to pitch with the greatness he had in the first half of 2006.
ALSO, DON’T LET HIM OUT OF HIS HOTEL ROOM ON ROAD TRIPS lol
finally a steady throwe from the bullpen whose last name isnt Feliciano or heilman.
What 3 or 4 Bannisters do you speak of?
There is no predjudice Omar has made SEVERAL trades to aquire Hispanic players:
Sanchez
Burgos
Jason Vargus
Sosa (FA Sign)
Mota
Shall I go on………….
It’ll be good if he plays winter ball. they can get an indication if he has his stuff back.
we got a reliever who throws 97 routinely and had touched 100 multiple times in live action.
Who THREW…. is what you mean.
God knows what to expect from him in 2009.
Check out Lindstrom on Florida. He’s gonna close one day.
He’s also almost 30 and will be done in 3-5 years.
Burgos on the others hand might be done now…
and Vargas certainly is.
I liked the trade at the the time even though I liked Bannister. Didn’t like it so much when burgos got sent down. Really didn’t like it when he had to have surgery. Now he’s not pitching until 2009. Who knows if he ever gets his carerer back, specially since he was a ‘fringe’ player before. He might never get his velocity back. Bad move Omar! Just goes to show us that contrary to what 2006 showed us… Omar doesn’t have all the answers. Whatever it happens. I would just like to see Omar show more accountability when one of his moves doesn’t work out the same way that he does when it does. I have a feeling this one might haunt us for a while. Especially if we continue to struggle to find pitching and Bannister continues to be solid.
Giving up Bannister was not akin to trading away Scott Kazmir guys. He may create a good career for himself but he will never lead a staff that has any legitimate arms. He throws high 80’s fastball and controls 4 pitches but with us, his control was in doubt if you recall. He always seemed to be right on the edge of disaster in the month or so he pitched with us before he got hurt. It also took him 4 months to recover from a hamstring injury. THat was a big negative in the teams mind also. Bannister is a nice kid…his skills kind of remind me of Mulvey(or at least what I have heard of Mulvey). Those are good guys to have on a squad but not leaders of a staff.
As to who the 4 guys they may have been talking about above…I’d guess it was 4 more highly rated prospects 3 of which certainly would be
Deolis Guerra, Phil Humber and Mike Pelfrey. It is possible the 4th was Mulvey but I can’t speak to the comment as I did not make it
Burgos is most effective when on the DL.
It’s a bit early to give up on Burgos. He’s YOUNG. Younger than Joe Smith, younger than Carlos Muniz, younger than Humber and Pelfrey, a LOT younger than Lindstrom, Owens, Bell, Ring and Bannister. So if it was wrong to give up on the last four, isn’t it wrong to give up on Burgos?
I’m not saying the KC deal was good or not good. Just give the guy a chance to prove himself.
I’ll attach whatever or whoever I want, bigot boy.
first off, the Mets had what looked like 3 or 4 Bannister’s in the fold. Second, Bannister had an era over 4 when he got hurt, so no one knew he’d be good in KC, where, btw, he pitches with nothing to lose for a last place team. My point is if you make that same type trade twice, strike gold once, then it is worth the risk of giving up a #4 or #5 starter.
“bigot boy” haha that’s funny.
But seriously, youre right in the sense that not every deal is going to work in your teams favor. But as far as the Bannister deal, I think he could have made a better deal. I never liked it the moment it was made.
Bannister had begun to show some kind of promise. Burgos was still a project. If youre going to deal Bannister then try and make another Sanchez deal rather than go into the season relying on a reliever who hasnt proven anything yet.
I always wondered what Omar was doing when that trade was made. Before Bannister got hurt I distinctly remember him pitching very well even if he always had to get out of jams he did manage to do so… and he could hit like an everyday player. When I looked up Burgos to see if he was any good I almost had a heart attack seeing his numbers. I think if he hadn’t made that trade we would easily have been in the playoffs. I don’t like Burgos, he just rears back and fires with no control, alot of guys can do that, but only the ones that can control even if they throw softer by 10 mph or even 15 [Pedro] will be much more successful. Burgos= no talent bum.
Yeah, a lot of guys can throw 100 MPH.
Heck, they grow on trees.
Throwing a 100 mph straight fastball is not a big deal, in as much as it does not equal dominance. KC couldn’t get him to learn a second or third pitch. It was a bad deal. One of several poor deals by Omar last winter. Why do people act like it is sacrilege to question Omar’s moves? I could somewhat understand the blind loyalty/optimism during the summer with all of the silly Pollyanna-ish comments on here. But this poorly built team missed the playoffs. Why are you guys still defending last winter’s bad moves?
They put the 100mph tag on Lindstrom too when he got traded. He didn’t look too shabby when he faced the Mets
OK first of all he barely touches 100 so saying he throws 100 is ridiculous. Yes, he can occasionally, but he doesn’t throw triple digit fastballs. And yes alot of major league level pitchers can throw just as hard, however most of them throw a 2-seam fb which takes off a good 5 mph or so causing them to throw closer to 93 but with movement. But those pitchers can locate those fastballs, have more pitches and can still overpower a hitter with the movement on the fastball. So yes, throwing 100 doesn’t mean a thing.
“Second, Bannister had an era over 4 when he got hurt, so no one knew he’d be good in KC”
Well, duh, don’t you think the reason he had some rocky stints during the second half of 2006 was precisely because he was just coming off a very serious injury?? He was not in game shape. And he only pitched 10 innings after he came back (smaEll sample size).
I think his pedigree, his makeup, his minor league record, and his 1st half of 2006 should have been enough for the Mets to keep him to see what could develop. He would have been a better option to get those emergency starts than Park, Lawrence, and Williams. They made something like 10 starts for the Mets this season and the mets lost almost all of them.
And who were the “3 or 4 Bannisters in the fold” that the Mets already had?
And anyone trying to diminish Bannister’s 2007 record by saying he pitched for a last place team should think again. He also pitched with the DH, in a good hitters park, and in a division which ate up El Duque when he pitched in it.
me neither!
Love Green, Schoeneweis, Newhan and the Wilpons (RYAN BRAUN PLEASE) !!!!!
mazel tov !
I remember exactly what happened.
There is a difference between taking a Latin free agent and marketing your team as “Latin-friendly,” and ONLY targeting Latin players, as many people have assumed on this board.
But every time a trade is brought up on this board, some jerk makes a comment about Omar ONLY targeting Latin players, which just isn’t true if you look at the players he has signed/traded for.
Yes, he stupidly tried to play on Delgado’s heritage in order to persuade him to sign here. Just like they took the Wagner family to a Broadway show to persuade Billy to sign here. One worked and the other didn’t. It’s the selective memory that bothers me.
My mistake. I thought you were the same guy as above.
Burgos won’t be 23 for six more months, for what it’s worth.
What Omar does is target undervalued players. If many of those happen to be Latin players who are undervalued by (presumably non-Latin) general managers, then so be it. In his first two off-seasons, his strategy worked pretty well. This past off-season, not so much. But I don’t think it’s “racial” per se, just opportunistic.
I think he honestly wants to create a clubhouse atmosphere where players of any ethnicity or race will feel comfortable. Such an approach ought to give the Mets an advantage over a lot of other teams.
But I do believe he’ll try
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I do think he’ll try to sign ANY player he thinks is undervalued–reagrdless of ethnicity–if the price is right. (See Maine, John).