Comments on: News: Don’t Expect Much from Burgos

By: MealTicket

MealTicket — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:12:07 +0000

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I do think he’ll try to sign ANY player he thinks is undervalued–reagrdless of ethnicity–if the price is right. (See Maine, John).

By: MealTicket

MealTicket — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:09:58 +0000

Burgos won’t be 23 for six more months, for what it’s worth.

What Omar does is target undervalued players. If many of those happen to be Latin players who are undervalued by (presumably non-Latin) general managers, then so be it. In his first two off-seasons, his strategy worked pretty well. This past off-season, not so much. But I don’t think it’s “racial” per se, just opportunistic.

I think he honestly wants to create a clubhouse atmosphere where players of any ethnicity or race will feel comfortable. Such an approach ought to give the Mets an advantage over a lot of other teams.

But I do believe he’ll try

By: VCarver

VCarver — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:21:18 +0000

My apologies. It must have been the other poster with a name so similar to yours. I was having an argument not too long ago with him/her about Omar’s deals, and we disagreed very strongly about the wisdom of the Bannister/Burgos deal.

By: 7-train

7-train — Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:59:59 +0000

I never liked the Burgos trade. I believe there is a “7-train local” poster or something to that effect.

I said right when the trade happened that I didn’t like seeing Bannister go. I don’t think he’ll ever be an ace but he could be a Rick Reed 3 or 4 slot innings eater.

By: natew

natew — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:28:54 +0000

He’s also almost 30 and will be done in 3-5 years.

Burgos on the others hand might be done now…
and Vargas certainly is.

By: MealTicket

MealTicket — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 03:48:48 +0000

It’s a bit early to give up on Burgos. He’s YOUNG. Younger than Joe Smith, younger than Carlos Muniz, younger than Humber and Pelfrey, a LOT younger than Lindstrom, Owens, Bell, Ring and Bannister. So if it was wrong to give up on the last four, isn’t it wrong to give up on Burgos?

I’m not saying the KC deal was good or not good. Just give the guy a chance to prove himself.

By: Krusty The Klown

Krusty The Klown — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 01:20:30 +0000

yeah just like motas 99 mph fastball blew past everyone this year…………. sigh

By: jdon

jdon — Sun, 21 Oct 2007 00:14:01 +0000

100MPH is nothing to sneeze at. I don’t see many 100 mph fastballs turned around. I remember Piazza taking Wagner deep in that Houston series in 98 but even he went the other way on it. Problem is, you have to throw it for strikes and when guys have to swing. Throwing it for strike one and then throwing a 94 mph for the next pitch and you get burned. You have ot be consistent.. Burgos is a stiff. A talented stiff, but a stiff.

By: MEForeman

MEForeman — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:34:20 +0000

Burgos is most effective when on the DL.

By: gowrightgo

gowrightgo — Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:35:14 +0000

Giving up Bannister was not akin to trading away Scott Kazmir guys. He may create a good career for himself but he will never lead a staff that has any legitimate arms. He throws high 80’s fastball and controls 4 pitches but with us, his control was in doubt if you recall. He always seemed to be right on the edge of disaster in the month or so he pitched with us before he got hurt. It also took him 4 months to recover from a hamstring injury. THat was a big negative in the teams mind also. Bannister is a nice kid…his skills kind of remind me of Mulvey(or at least what I have heard of Mulvey). Those are good guys to have on a squad but not leaders of a staff.

As to who the 4 guys they may have been talking about above…I’d guess it was 4 more highly rated prospects 3 of which certainly would be

Deolis Guerra, Phil Humber and Mike Pelfrey. It is possible the 4th was Mulvey but I can’t speak to the comment as I did not make it