Fiction. Provide a link on that. You can’t. Because you made that up as well. I called you a liar about other things. About your claims concerning prior run-ins. Which never happened as you imagined they did. So if you have a claim to make about a previous debate, post a link. Talk is cheap. Especially yours.

You’re a bald-faced liar and I stand by that. You’re a dismal excuse for a human being.

Also, thanks for the stats on Jacobs Field from the last 10 years, which you didn’t cite. When was the last time Manny played there again? … but a link would be nice.

Thanks for proving my point about just how clueless, dishonest and desperate you are. You spend so much of your time ranting about how I didn’t cite a source but In my post that you are replying to I said and I quote: “I used the stats at baseball-reference.com.”

Don’t let the facts get in the way of your irrational rant! You really are hopeless.

Further, Jacobs field was cited in my original post, genius. That is one of the fields in question. The reason I cited a 10 year sample — for all the parks referenced in my original post — was for sample size. But being so clueless, I doubt you understand that concept.

It is quote obvious to anyone with critical thinking skills that even if you didn’t pull your metrics out of your ass (I got mine from ESPN) that Arlington and Fenway are comparable hitters parks.

No, they are not according to the source I gave. In 2 of the 3 years in question, Arlington was much more of a hitters park. And over the 10-year period I cited, in 7 out of those years Arlington was a much better hitters park than either the Jake or Fenway.

It is also obvious to anyone with eyes that Manny benefits immeasurably from right field at Fenway, while ARod’s right field dimensions are not as good. Finally, what about the Kngdome versus Jacobs Field?

I see. The only way you can make a valid point is to expand the discussion to areas that weren’t mentioned in my original post that you initially took issue with! . The years in question and which my original claim encompassed were 2001 to 2003. Not years played at Yankee Stadium. Not years played at the Kingdome. Stay on point. Is that so hard for you to do? Obviously it is.

Another source showing how you are wrong:

LOL, that’s rich. You give park factors for just one year (2000) from another source, and it isn’t even one of the years in question? Wow. Can you make any less sense?.

you make indenfensible or unsupported claims or critiques of other posters.

I have supported my initial claim on park factors for the years 2001-2003 with hard stats. Immutable facts. And, yes, with a URL too! I always try to do that and if I don’t have facts to support my position I say so. But if you like to imagine otherwise, I can’t control that.

I made you look like a clown here.. Maybe in the future if you back up your wilder fantasies with links and facts and took a more logical approach to your posts instead of just letting loose with an extremely weak emotional rant you wouldn’t look so foolish.

You’re obviously out of your league and I feel sorry for you. I really do hope for your sake you find a more constructive and fulfilling way to live your life instead of chasing down and wasting time on personal vendettas.

Have a nice day.

Interestingly from baseball reference as well:

Seattle Park factors
2000: 95/93
1999:102/103
1998: 99/99
1998: 98/98
1997:100/99

Jacobs Field Park factors:
2000: 101/100
1999: 104/103
1998: 103/102
1997: 103/102
1996: 99/98

VCarver: I say this for your own good because I know you will get the last word. You are sad. You make indenfensible or unsupported claims or critiques of other posters. Then you get your kicks trying to make them look bad. But I think most people who have been visiting these boards for long enough can see that you are a childish person who cares little about/knows nothing of social nicities. Whatever, have fun posting your usual last word.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

AND

http://64.21.65.46/rhoids2000/methodsPAfactors.htm

Have a nice day.”

Dude, I made you look silly. I never made anything up. You called me a liar about the number of games that were computed in a statistic for A-Rod’s ALCS average. I then provided you a link. You shut up after that. You are without a doubt the most confrontational, smug poster I have ever encountered in any forum. You hate to lose, so you make sure you have the last word. You make up ridiculous theories to try to explain your stupid ideas about clutch. Face it, you are a joke.

Also, thanks for the stats on Jacobs Field from the last 10 years, which you didn’t cite. When was the last time Manny played there again? I thought so. It is quote obvious to anyone with critical thinking skills that even if you didn’t pull your metrics out of your ass (I got mine from ESPN) that Arlington and Fenway are comparable hitters parks. Mine showed that Fenway was more so than Arlington. It is also obvious to anyone with eyes that Manny benefits immeasurably from right field at Fenway, while ARod’s right field dimensions are not as good. Finally, what about the Kngdome versus Jacobs Field?

Another source showing how you are wrong:
2000 Park Factors

TEAM

Rhoid runs park adjustment factor
Anaheim 0.97065
Baltimore 1.03853
Boston 0.99095
Chicago White Sox 0.96613
Cleveland 0.97488
Detroit 1.02054
Kansas City 0.94925
Minnesota 0.96378
New York Yankees 0.97882
Oakland 1.05472
Seattle 1.09843
Tampa Bay 0.99877
Texas 0.95552

I’m sorry you suck at life, but keep trying buddy.

Uh, no. Of course you are wrong. I remember you from a previous discussion recently where you were making things up about previous discussions and simply flat out lied about my previous posts.

At any rate, for the park factors, I used the stats at baseball-reference.com. They are the most reliable ones around, I feel. You can check them out yourself. What they show is that in 2 of the 3 years that A-Rod was in Texas, it was a significantly better hitters park than Fenway –

Park Factors for Hitters
2001 – TX 97, Bos 102
2002 – TX 110, Bos 100
2003 – TX 110, Bos 106

In addition, Jacobs had a lower park factor for hitters during 2 of those 3 years as well (100, 100, 93). It is interesting to note that out of the last 10 years, Arlington has had a higherpark factor for hitters than Jacobs in 7 out of those years. And for the last 10 years, Arlington has had a higher hitters park factor than Fenway for 7 out of those years.

You are clearly wrong in your post.

So sorry to disappoint you. It appears from your post that you live to try to show me up. Not only have you failed, but that’s a sad existence and it really reflects poorly on the type of person you are. I hope you’ll look for something more constructive to bring meaning to your day.

Have a nice day.

It’s true that in his first year with the Yankees, he had a fairly good postseason (until the end). But I’m not sure if you can excuse his subsequent performancesbased on pressure from the fans. What about this year? Fans were generally on his side, no? He had a clean slate going into this postseason and ended up with just 1 RBI and a .267 BA. And the whole point of being clutch is being able to perform when the pressure is at its greatest, no matter what. Right? Let me ask you. If it’s game 7 of the WS, bottom of the 9th with your team down by a run and runners on 2nd and 3rd, 2 out, who would you want at the plate? Jeter, A-Rod, Manny or Ortiz. Could you rank them?

I have no disagreement about your points on the relative merits of Manny and A-Rod in terms of defense and tools. They are both talented offensive players and both have issues with makeup — though A-Rod’s may be be more detrimental to team chemistry. My point in this thread about Manny is that from a pure offensive standpoint, he’s actually had a better career than A-Rod. Yet A-Rod is asking to be paid like he’s the best player in the game. He may be now (given Manny’s age) but not by much.

I have watched my share of Yankees games and the Yankees would not have made the post season in 2005 and 2007 without him. His opting out of his contract has caused great anguish among Yankees fans that I know.

BTW Manny is a one dimensional player who has been helped immeasurably by playing left field in Fenway. A-Rod, OTOH, was an outstanding defensive SS who moved to third in a team move when A-Rod was by far the better defensive SS when compared to Jeter. A-Rod worked hard to make himself into a fine defensive 3rd baseman. A-Rod is one of the very best 5 tool players that ever played the game.
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WRONG. It feels good to say that because you are the insufferable person who delights in telling others they are wrong (and when VCarver is wrong he just makes sure he gets the last post so he can pretend he “won”). Couldn’t find park factors for the Jake from the 90s (when Manny played there) but here goes:

2001:
Jacobs Field: 1 (1.584 Runs)
Fenway Park (Boston, Massachusetts): 14 (1.015 Runs)
Rangers Ballpark (Arlington, Texas):15 (0.997 Runs)

2002:
Rangers Ballpark (Arlington, Texas):5 (1.246 Runs)
Jacobs Field (Cleveland, Ohio): 11 (1.031 Runs)
Fenway Park (Boston, Massachusetts): 15 (0.966 Runs)

2003:
Fenway Park (Boston, Massachusetts): 3 (1.296 Runs)
Rangers Ballpark (Arlington, Texas): 5 (1.216 Runs)
Jacobs Field (Cleveland, Ohio): 27 (0.853 Runs)

So your statement that Fenway and Jacobs Field are “not nearly the hitters parks that Arlington was when A-Rod played there was clearly in error. Indeed, one could actually argue that Fenway has been a better hitters park: it was the number one park in 2007 (Arlington was 18), although it was lower than Arlington in 2004-2006 (but A-Rod was in NY by then). Anyways, the point is that they are both hitters parks and that your statement might have been accurate if you said that Fenway and Arlington are comparable parks. It is obvious that Manny has benefited from Fenway just as much, if not more than A-Rod benefited from Arlington. Also, Fenway played as more of a hitter’s park than Yankee stadium in 2004, 2006, and 2007. I’m sure you’ll find a way to argue with this, though.

Besides, as I said, I was only using that stat in reply to the other poster. I did not initially bring it up.

Yes, A-Rod is above average for a hitter. But Jeter is well above average when it comes to makeup — which is more than can be said of your boy A-Rod.