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	<title>Comments on: News: Mets Have Money for A-Rod</title>
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		<title>By: VCarver</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/07/news-mets-have-money-for-a-rod/#comment-37590</link>
		<dc:creator>VCarver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 14:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have said before It doesn&#039;t have to be Santana. I would honestly be happy with Sabathia or most any elite pitcher. As the saying goes, it&#039;s the pitching, stupid.  Not the player.

You OTOH seem totally obsessed and smitten by A-Rod like a little school girl with a crush. Get over it. 

The chances of him ending up a Met are very small if you read the papers today. Most are saying the Mets are just observers at this point -- peripheral players -- with only a mild interest. They are not in hot pursuit of A-Rod the way Klaptrap and some of you fanboys and fangirls are hallucinating about. 

I will enjoy the 2008 season from the first day of spring training as long as they don&#039;t piss away the future by overpaying for 1 player or disrupting the young cornerstone players on the team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have said before It doesn&#8217;t have to be Santana. I would honestly be happy with Sabathia or most any elite pitcher. As the saying goes, it&#8217;s the pitching, stupid.  Not the player.</p>
<p>You OTOH seem totally obsessed and smitten by A-Rod like a little school girl with a crush. Get over it. </p>
<p>The chances of him ending up a Met are very small if you read the papers today. Most are saying the Mets are just observers at this point &#8212; peripheral players &#8212; with only a mild interest. They are not in hot pursuit of A-Rod the way Klaptrap and some of you fanboys and fangirls are hallucinating about. </p>
<p>I will enjoy the 2008 season from the first day of spring training as long as they don&#8217;t piss away the future by overpaying for 1 player or disrupting the young cornerstone players on the team.</p>
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		<title>By: BiggieSmalls</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/07/news-mets-have-money-for-a-rod/#comment-37502</link>
		<dc:creator>BiggieSmalls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 11:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its is my Feeling that you have such a vitriolic hatred for A rod that is clouding your perception of reality.

I truly feel sorry that you can hate one person so much that your eyes are wide shut to the events that are so clear to the majority of the Mets fanbase.

Maybe some day you will get over your Santana man crush and enjoy the 2008 season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its is my Feeling that you have such a vitriolic hatred for A rod that is clouding your perception of reality.</p>
<p>I truly feel sorry that you can hate one person so much that your eyes are wide shut to the events that are so clear to the majority of the Mets fanbase.</p>
<p>Maybe some day you will get over your Santana man crush and enjoy the 2008 season.</p>
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		<title>By: VCarver</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/07/news-mets-have-money-for-a-rod/#comment-37472</link>
		<dc:creator>VCarver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 04:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;He is worth $22M at 5 yrs for the Mets&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

I agree. And not a penny or a day more. Even at that price, I have reservations about the baggage he brings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><b>He is worth $22M at 5 yrs for the Mets</b></i></p>
<p>I agree. And not a penny or a day more. Even at that price, I have reservations about the baggage he brings.</p>
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		<title>By: VCarver</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/07/news-mets-have-money-for-a-rod/#comment-37470</link>
		<dc:creator>VCarver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 04:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Its my feeling that Omar is the birdie in Boras’s ear for the opt out..&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

Biggie, if you honestly believe this now, then I feel sorry for  you. Because it appears you&#039;ve constructed this alternate reality which fits your desire for A-Rod. It&#039;s one thing to want him. It&#039;s quite another to start fantasizing about your team&#039;s interest in this player. 

I think at this point it&#039;s nothing more than kicking the tires and covering their asses with the fan base. 

I also feel bad for you because it appears you were really traumatized by the collapse at the end of the year. I think it&#039;s coloring your thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><b>Its my feeling that Omar is the birdie in Boras’s ear for the opt out..</b></i></p>
<p>Biggie, if you honestly believe this now, then I feel sorry for  you. Because it appears you&#8217;ve constructed this alternate reality which fits your desire for A-Rod. It&#8217;s one thing to want him. It&#8217;s quite another to start fantasizing about your team&#8217;s interest in this player. </p>
<p>I think at this point it&#8217;s nothing more than kicking the tires and covering their asses with the fan base. </p>
<p>I also feel bad for you because it appears you were really traumatized by the collapse at the end of the year. I think it&#8217;s coloring your thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: VCarver</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/07/news-mets-have-money-for-a-rod/#comment-37468</link>
		<dc:creator>VCarver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 04:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Did you not insist on the need for a $10 million left fielder and a 5 million dollar Second baseman?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, I put that in my budget. Not that the $5 million would necessarily be used for a 2nd basemen. But since it&#039;s in the budget you can allocate it toward a #2 starter for example or the LFer. So you might have an $18.5 million #2, a . $.4 mill 2nd baseman, and a $10 mill leftfielder. Or a $13.5 million #2,a $.4 mill 2nd baseman,  and a $15 million LFer.  Or a $13.5 mill #2, A $15 million 2nd baseman, and a $.4 million LFer.  Etc, etc. You allocate according to your real needs.

The problem with A-Rod, is you can&#039;t build that flexibility into your budget and stay under the threshold. Because in order to fit him in, you&#039;ve cut corners with your LFer, your #2 starter, and your 2nd basemen. You&#039;ve taken all that flexibility away. 

Maintaining that flexibility is the reason you stay away from A-Rod. 

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;I love people who think that because they get the last word in on a debate their position is automatically correct

Get it? Thats Just plain wrong. Period.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, I get it. You&#039;re saying you love yourself. I guess you&#039;re as vain as A-Rod. I agree, it&#039;s just plain wrong to be so vain. So why don&#039;t you change your behavior? 





Staying away from A-Rod is a way to preserve that flexibility while staying at or near the threshold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><b>Did you not insist on the need for a $10 million left fielder and a 5 million dollar Second baseman?</b></i></p>
<p>Yes, I put that in my budget. Not that the $5 million would necessarily be used for a 2nd basemen. But since it&#8217;s in the budget you can allocate it toward a #2 starter for example or the LFer. So you might have an $18.5 million #2, a . $.4 mill 2nd baseman, and a $10 mill leftfielder. Or a $13.5 million #2,a $.4 mill 2nd baseman,  and a $15 million LFer.  Or a $13.5 mill #2, A $15 million 2nd baseman, and a $.4 million LFer.  Etc, etc. You allocate according to your real needs.</p>
<p>The problem with A-Rod, is you can&#8217;t build that flexibility into your budget and stay under the threshold. Because in order to fit him in, you&#8217;ve cut corners with your LFer, your #2 starter, and your 2nd basemen. You&#8217;ve taken all that flexibility away. </p>
<p>Maintaining that flexibility is the reason you stay away from A-Rod. </p>
<p><i><b>I love people who think that because they get the last word in on a debate their position is automatically correct</p>
<p>Get it? Thats Just plain wrong. Period.</b></i></p>
<p>Yeah, I get it. You&#8217;re saying you love yourself. I guess you&#8217;re as vain as A-Rod. I agree, it&#8217;s just plain wrong to be so vain. So why don&#8217;t you change your behavior? </p>
<p>Staying away from A-Rod is a way to preserve that flexibility while staying at or near the threshold.</p>
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		<title>By: BiggieSmalls</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/07/news-mets-have-money-for-a-rod/#comment-37454</link>
		<dc:creator>BiggieSmalls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 04:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gave my prediction up top somewhere.. 

Its my feeling that Omar is the birdie in Boras&#039;s ear for the opt out..

 A Rod wants to stick it to the Yanks. 

the F**K YOU shirt his wife wore in the stands.. all the BS politics..

The working  relationship..the past history from 2000

Fred and his SNY Network and new stadium  

I truly see value in the pure home run chase and getting Gambling Pete out of the record books.. and I think Fred does too... he&#039;s old school.

what would be the highest I&#039;d really go and maintain my insanity..

320 over 10 .

. but he&#039;s practically gift wrapped for the Mets at below that number.. he NEEDS this marraige for his legacy.as much as Fred and Omar need it for their reasons. 

and if you think they&#039;re not thinking about that you underestimate them both

DelGado is as good as Gone.. Heilman too.. Milledge may go as well.. I think there is a big shake up coming..  LoDuca is on the outs as well.. although i dont think so.. 

And I dont think Fred cares about the Cap for the next 5 years.. He&#039;ll go over and pay happily.. not Evil Empire 2  but he&#039;ll go over..

I think Fred has BIG BIG Plans for Queens and the development around the stadium.. this is MUCH MUCH Bigger than the Mets Fellas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gave my prediction up top somewhere.. </p>
<p>Its my feeling that Omar is the birdie in Boras&#8217;s ear for the opt out..</p>
<p> A Rod wants to stick it to the Yanks. </p>
<p>the F**K YOU shirt his wife wore in the stands.. all the BS politics..</p>
<p>The working  relationship..the past history from 2000</p>
<p>Fred and his SNY Network and new stadium  </p>
<p>I truly see value in the pure home run chase and getting Gambling Pete out of the record books.. and I think Fred does too&#8230; he&#8217;s old school.</p>
<p>what would be the highest I&#8217;d really go and maintain my insanity..</p>
<p>320 over 10 .</p>
<p>. but he&#8217;s practically gift wrapped for the Mets at below that number.. he NEEDS this marraige for his legacy.as much as Fred and Omar need it for their reasons. </p>
<p>and if you think they&#8217;re not thinking about that you underestimate them both</p>
<p>DelGado is as good as Gone.. Heilman too.. Milledge may go as well.. I think there is a big shake up coming..  LoDuca is on the outs as well.. although i dont think so.. </p>
<p>And I dont think Fred cares about the Cap for the next 5 years.. He&#8217;ll go over and pay happily.. not Evil Empire 2  but he&#8217;ll go over..</p>
<p>I think Fred has BIG BIG Plans for Queens and the development around the stadium.. this is MUCH MUCH Bigger than the Mets Fellas.</p>
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		<title>By: BiggieSmalls</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/07/news-mets-have-money-for-a-rod/#comment-37450</link>
		<dc:creator>BiggieSmalls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the mets could go 6 years at 25 per and have A rod as well.. i&#039;d be tight..7 years is tougher for a 30 year old pitcher.. be fair with that..

And realistically.. I think A rod gets  252 over 9 and goes to the mets for less coin

his 350 quote to the Yankees was a big slap in The Steinbrenner Gestapo&#039;s Face .. and I loved it.

I truly believe he hated it there and loves the NY region.  He&#039;ll play first base and be a model citizen..

 Boras is licking his chops for the Tex auction.  A Rod is the set up for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the mets could go 6 years at 25 per and have A rod as well.. i&#8217;d be tight..7 years is tougher for a 30 year old pitcher.. be fair with that..</p>
<p>And realistically.. I think A rod gets  252 over 9 and goes to the mets for less coin</p>
<p>his 350 quote to the Yankees was a big slap in The Steinbrenner Gestapo&#8217;s Face .. and I loved it.</p>
<p>I truly believe he hated it there and loves the NY region.  He&#8217;ll play first base and be a model citizen..</p>
<p> Boras is licking his chops for the Tex auction.  A Rod is the set up for it.</p>
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		<title>By: 4JoeOrsulak</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/07/news-mets-have-money-for-a-rod/#comment-37448</link>
		<dc:creator>4JoeOrsulak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s probably the best and simplest point of all.

Why not ARod for $30M/yr for 7+yrs?

&lt;i&gt;because he&#039;s not worth $30M/yr for 7+ yrs, particularly at his age&lt;/i&gt;.

It&#039;s that simple.

If Boras and his guerilla marketing staff would offer a fair price for ARod, it might make sense, but the Mets would not get him then, &lt;i&gt;because his value as a second baseman or 1st baseman, or his value along with the risk of Wright at 2nd&lt;/i&gt;which is what he would be for the Mets&lt;i&gt; is far less than his value at short or at 3rd for another team.&lt;/i&gt;  

Furthermore, his value will be greater for a team that needs offense more than the Mets do, particularly from their Left Side.

He is worth $22M at 5 yrs for the Mets.  Another team would probably find him more valuable.  They can have him.  The Mets should spend their money on something &lt;i&gt;they need&lt;/i&gt;.

Is there any price that Biggie won&#039;t pay?  Is there any salary for ARod that Biggie will consider disproportionate compared to his contribution?  Too much burden for too little benefit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s probably the best and simplest point of all.</p>
<p>Why not ARod for $30M/yr for 7+yrs?</p>
<p><i>because he&#8217;s not worth $30M/yr for 7+ yrs, particularly at his age</i>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s that simple.</p>
<p>If Boras and his guerilla marketing staff would offer a fair price for ARod, it might make sense, but the Mets would not get him then, <i>because his value as a second baseman or 1st baseman, or his value along with the risk of Wright at 2nd</i>which is what he would be for the Mets<i> is far less than his value at short or at 3rd for another team.</i>  </p>
<p>Furthermore, his value will be greater for a team that needs offense more than the Mets do, particularly from their Left Side.</p>
<p>He is worth $22M at 5 yrs for the Mets.  Another team would probably find him more valuable.  They can have him.  The Mets should spend their money on something <i>they need</i>.</p>
<p>Is there any price that Biggie won&#8217;t pay?  Is there any salary for ARod that Biggie will consider disproportionate compared to his contribution?  Too much burden for too little benefit?</p>
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		<title>By: BiggieSmalls</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/07/news-mets-have-money-for-a-rod/#comment-37446</link>
		<dc:creator>BiggieSmalls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you not insist  on the need for a $10 million left fielder and a 5 million dollar Second baseman? 

I love people who think that because they get the last word in on a debate their position is automatically correct

Get it? Thats Just plain wrong. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you not insist  on the need for a $10 million left fielder and a 5 million dollar Second baseman? </p>
<p>I love people who think that because they get the last word in on a debate their position is automatically correct</p>
<p>Get it? Thats Just plain wrong. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: 4JoeOrsulak</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/07/news-mets-have-money-for-a-rod/#comment-37445</link>
		<dc:creator>4JoeOrsulak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 03:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;so do you go say.. 200 over 7 for Johan?

remember .. you’re negotiating against 7 or 8 teams.. full dog bidding war..&quot;

There should be more than one pitching free agent available in &#039;09.  What I would do is give each of them successively higher offers and as soon as one bites, the other offers are off the table.

If that&#039;s what it takes, then yes.  No holds barred for the ace.  But it won&#039;t take that much.  150 over 6 should do it.

Not having ARod&#039;s salary to deal with gives me that much more freedom, and with these types of pitchers, every ounce of leverage counts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;so do you go say.. 200 over 7 for Johan?</p>
<p>remember .. you’re negotiating against 7 or 8 teams.. full dog bidding war..&#8221;</p>
<p>There should be more than one pitching free agent available in &#8216;09.  What I would do is give each of them successively higher offers and as soon as one bites, the other offers are off the table.</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s what it takes, then yes.  No holds barred for the ace.  But it won&#8217;t take that much.  150 over 6 should do it.</p>
<p>Not having ARod&#8217;s salary to deal with gives me that much more freedom, and with these types of pitchers, every ounce of leverage counts.</p>
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