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Yesterday, Mark Hale of The Post reported the Mets, in an effort to bolster their starting pitching, are looking to the far east for help.
According to Hale, the Mets have their eye on Japanese RHP Hiroki Kuroda, who is 32-year old ace pitching for the Hiroshima Carp of the Japanese League.
Today, David Lennon of Newsday reports the Mets have been scouting Kuroda, who is playing in the Asia Series in Japan.
…buzz around the league suggests the Red Sox, Phillies, Dodgers, Royals and Mariners interested in obtaining kuroda…
Recently at Prospect Insider, Jason A. Churchill offered up a very detailed and complete scouting report on the Japanese right hander, writing…
“Kuroda is the class of the three free agents and will get the most interest but he profiles as a No. 3 at best…He’s slow to the plate but has a relatively compact and clean delivery that gives his fastball some late life…Considering the domestic market, Kuroda, even at 33 years old, could command a contract in the $9-11 million range, for at least three years.”
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Cant we just have one giant post that says “METS EYEING EVERYONE” I usually love the hot stove …but this winter is already starting to wear on me, I mean everyday we are looking at someone else…..but we arent making any moves ….We are not getting ASS-ROD… Its not a fit…..I love Reyes and Wright and the thought of having them 2 for the next 4-5 years makes me happy to be a Met fan……we need pitching period, so its safe to say we will evaluate the options on every pitcher available…..Cmon Omar get on the phone and get the best pitxher that Gomez/Humber and or other minor prospects can buy!! I guess its gonna be a long month….Im 100% positive we wont make any deals until the winter meetings ….once Omar has all the best deals on the table he will show the Wilspends…and then they will decide what deal to make….so I guess its 4 more weeks of “Guess that line-up/rotation” fun fun fun..LETS GO (ALREADY) METS!!!
One peron they are interested in, according to radio reports, is Dontrelle Willis. I think Omar needs a rabies shot.
NO LOUSY JAPANESE PLAYERS EVER AGAIN!!!!!! ONLY TOP NOTCH PLAYERS!!!!
Johan Santana. I want Johan Santana. I WANT JOHAN SANTANA!!!! Trade Maine to Arizona for Conor Jackson and Carlos Quentin, and flip those two with Carlos Gomez and Deolis Guerra for JOHAN SANTANA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mets “Genius”? Really?
And then some….
Trading John Maine. Ingenious.
Do you honestly believe his 3.91 ERA is irreplaceable? How about his 5.53 ERA after the All-Star break? Yeah, I think I like Johan Santana’s 3.33 ERA a little better…
Then why the hell do the D-Backs give up Jackson and Quentin for him?
Quentin looked awful at the Major League level his first time up, and then he got injured. He’s not the stud prospect he was a few years ago. He’s still got some value, but not nearly what it used to be. Maine was a Cy Young candidate until the All-Star break, and in his first full year he may have tired down the stretch. Don’t worry about it, it’s a fair trade. Real baseball minds know it is. Don’t trouble yourself with it. All you need to know is that it works.
If you view your pitcher negatively, as will other teams.
If you say that his 3.91 ERA is replaceable, than the other teams won’t bother giving Jackson and Quentin.
Plus, Quentin, Jackson and Gomez all have very little value, and Guerra is a long way away. The Twins would reject it in a second.
Also keep in mind that that was John Maine’s first full MLB season. He hasn’t hit his prime yet either.
Or we can keep Maine, and have him contend for the Cy Young Award in 2008
I’d rather take my chances with Johan who can Hit competing in the NL for a Cy Young award thank you very much.
or you can take the mets blinders off and realize he’ll never contend for a cy young.
The reality is that Maine has improved every year since coming to Flushing. This year, his first half had him in the Cy Young conversation before he regressed. However, that was his first full season in any starting rotation. He’s already established himself as a big game pitcher (see 2006 playoffs and his near no-no against the Marlins at the end of the year). I’d expect him to establish himself in 2008, if not as a Cy Young candidate, then at least a #2/1a-type starter this year as his durability improves.
That is a great idea! Let’s trade away Maine, and all the young talent for Santana who will in turn be a free agent in 2009 and will leave us high and dry! Brilliant plan! wait while were at it why don’t we trade Wright, Reyes and Beltran for the rights to talk to Barry Bonds. Leave your opinion on ESPN Steve Phillips.
NEEDLESSLY To say we re-sign him.
Needlessly. I see your grammar is one of the many reasons that your are a genius.
Keep your idiocy to yourself. The reason I’m in trepidation of being a Mets fan right now is because of you. It would be most advantageous of you to stop talking, for you are convincing no one but yourself.
Rotation = Johan, Pedro, Perez, El Duque, MARK PRIOR!!!!!! I WANT MARK PRIOR!!!!! And trade for Chris Capuano as insurance. I want Chris Capuano as a long man/swing man. I WANT CHRIS CAPUANO. I WANT MARK PRIOR!!! I WANT JOHAN SANTANA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chris Capuano for Guillermo Mota and Carlos Muniz. MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!!!
Red bull much?? calm down chap …its not what u want ..its what is best for the team..and within the realm of possibilty would be nice too….no1 wants Mota!
Capuano lost 12 straight decisions, and has no spot in their rotation with the emergence of Gallardo, and Parra is their swingman. They need veteran relief help, and Mota needs a change of scenery. They hedge their bets with Muniz, and everyone is happy. Shut your face long-nose.
You want a guy who lost 12 str8 decisions in the NL??? wow…..thank God ur not in the clubhouse.
Shea plays a little different than Milwaukee, and ya know what? Lick it. Those moves get made, the Mets win the World Series. Not my fault if you’re too myopic to see it. Bloody retard.
Can someone please Block this guy?
yeah…you’d like that wouldn’t you you loathsome yankay fan.
I second hot stove chef’s comment.
Well your seconding of the comment is tantamount to Rosie O’Donnel ordering a second value meal at Wendy’s….it’s expected…
I am going to third that motion
yeah…how many ID’s do you have?
mets genius, maybe next time you should break the prozacs in half.
Is that what you do? Obviously it doesn’t work, so you can keep your faulty advice…try again next time…
Can… you… please… at… least… try… to… keep …your… use… of… elipses… to… a… minimum? Or at least use them correctly?
Now why would I do that, to imply that I have respect for you? No…I don’t think so, I believe I’ll elect to use them as I do see fit.
You should have been a BJ
LOL
That was good.
I WAS!!!! Only my will to survive allowed me to survive!!!
Is it even possible to fourth a motion?
Here’s an intresting poll idea Matt…
Where will Mota be next Year?
Now I HATE MOTA.. really HATE. But I will bet you that his is on our opening day roster.
PS How many more years do we have Shoenweiss??
Sorry I lost you at MARK PRIOR!!!!!
Well double back around until you get it right. Prior is a MUST Have.
in 2001?
Mark Prior is only going to cost money. Those Cheap bums OWE US A LITTLE HIGH RISK/HIGH REWARD guy that’s only gonna cost money. They owe us more than one. They’re raking it in hand over fist, and skimping on draft picks? Not spending on Soriano? Not spending period whether or not you like Soriano is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that they’re vastly underspending on us as a fan base, and I want Mark Prior. If he does nothing, so what. We’ve already paid for him and then some. I want Mark Prior…and then some.
This dude should keep his ideas to himself..and then some….I cannot take him serious…If Mark Prior and Capuano are the keys to success then what are we waiting for??? Ohh yeah we are waiting to get a BETTER pitcher ..AND to keep our young superstar laft side of the infield together…..duhhh!!
Hey stupid, let me make this very easy for you. Mark Prior and Chris Capuano alone aren’t gonna win the Mets anything. They in tandem with the other moves I suggested accomplish a Championship, but they are pertinent never the less….This roster wins it all, and it’s easy enough to get in my opinion :
1)SS – Jose Reyes
2)2B – Luis Castillo
3)3B – David Wright
4)CF – Carlos Beltran
5)LF – Moises Alou
6)1B – Carlos Delgado
7)RF – Lastings Milledge
8)C – Paul Lo Duca
Ramon Castro, Endy Chavez, Ruben Gotay, Damien Easley, Marlon Anderson
Johan Santana, Pedro Martinez, Oliver Perez, El Duque, Mark Prior
Billy Wagner, Eric Gagne, Aaron Heilman, Pedro Feliciano, Duaner Sanchez, Scott Schoewenweis, Chris Capuano
If you wanna start Gotay, and sign Bonds instead you can put it in the books right now. You trade Maine to Arizona with Bostick for Jackson, Quentin, and Krynzel. Then take Jackson and Quentin and combine them with Carlos Gomez and Deolis Guerra and that gets us Johan Santana. Trade Mota and Muniz for Capuano. Sign Prior and Gagne. Bring back Lo Duca and Castro, and play them at a 60/40 to 50/50 split. Trade Mulvey and Niese for Taylor Teagarden and Joaquin Arias. See if Newhan and Sosa will sign Minor League deals, and the Mets are covered for injury through out. World Championship.
this isn’t a video game..its a real team…
WOW you are unbelievably delusional
Oh yeah, thanks…didn’t realize it WASN’T A VIDEO GAME YOU RETARD!! And just what are my delusions? IF you knew anything about the game instead of just knowing that you want to insult people(we won’t get into your failing to do so), you’d know that those are all good trades. Trades the other teams involved would LOVE to do. And I think we make out alright once everything is all said and done…blow me dirt bag.
wow…umm…I do know quite a bit about the game…but i’m realistic…you are playing a video game because you can’t just go into an offseason and sign everyone and trade for everyone you want. Its call strategy and you my friend have none.
and as for the insulting comment…you’ve done enough of that in this thread for the whole metsblog community. Cut your losses…stop talking now…your making yourself look like a fool.
shut yo face fool
Wow. You make about as much sense as a dog and a man getting married by the Pope.
What’s that painting (dog, man, Pope) called again?
Your apparent obssession with mediocre trash isn’t alike with the GMs of Major League baseball.
So is your obssession with misusing punctuation.
Sounds like Kei Igawa’s scouting report … umm… no.
It seems Japanese scouting is tough. It’s hard to judge these guys. Matzusaka wasn’t quite as good as the hype, but was certainly good. Igawa was a joke, Okajima came out of nowhere..So while I wouldn’t overpay, and I would have to believe theres a possibility the Zephyrs would be getting a Japanese pitcher for down teh stretch, I wouldn’t mind seeing the Mets look anywhere and everywhere and bring in everything with an arm to try to fill these holes.
hes better than silva
and at about the same price
he’s probably worse than igawa and definitely worse than silva. back of the rotation guy at the best. then again, it is really tough to measure the NPB players, especially pitchers… and, by the way mr. lennon, he is not playing in asia series. the nihon series champions, the chuunichi dragons this year, play in that series along with those of the taiwan league and the korean leagues, as well as the chinese national team. he plays for the hiroshima carp–they suck.
Masato Yoshii, part deux….
Wouldn’t going Japanese in our FA pitcher signing allow us to keep the #22 pick?
HAI!!!
mark prior is so injury prone its not even funny, that kid is on crack. block him
I believe I acknowledged Prior’s health risk, and addressed it with Capuano. The Mets franchise is number 2 in terms of worth, and rising fast. The Mets didn’t even have the third highest payroll last year, and inexplicably skimped miserably on the draft yet again. I WANT MARK PRIOR!!! The Mets have the assets to gamble on him, and Lord knows they owe it to us. Get Prior, Get Santana, Get Capuano, and Get this World Series Ring already.
im not sure all this is possible but if you could sign prior to a performance based contract with a ton of incentives i dont see why not rolling the dice his stuff is out of this world and even if hes just healthy for 08 it could end up being really worth it. of course id only do that as a gamble meaning you sure up the rotation and bullpen b4 you decide to take a little risk on prior.
Capuano, Pelfrey, and Humber are more than enough to keep the Mets covered should a worst case scenario arrive.
If a best case scenario occurs however the Mets could be scary good. Historically scary good. And that’s what I’m looking for in all honesty.
Well, you definitely have the “historically scary” part down.
I thought we were Third? Yankees, Red Sox, us
Honestly I don’t even know if the Mets are even third, and I don’t think they are to be honest. The Dodgers were third. I heard them say it when Torre ran away there to play 3000 miles away from his home for less money than play another day in a yankays uniform. I could see the Cubs, Angels, and or Detroit all having higher payrolls…maybe even Houston? Philly? I know the Mets aren’t even third though.
the mets are third.
Rank Team 2007 Payroll 2006 Payroll Change
1 Yankees $195,229,045 $198,662,180 $(3,433,135)
2 Red Sox $143,526,214 $120,100,524 $23,425,690
3 Mets $117,915,819 $100,901,085 $17,014,734
http://blog.sportscolumn.com/story/2007/4/9/1367/60158
The Dodgers were reportedly at 124 million, and I doubt that figure that they have the Mets down for has Shawn Green’s salary at 3 million. They probably counted him for 11 million, and negated the 8 million that Arizona is paying from it. Who knows what other flaws that trumped up figure has attached to it.
AZ was not paying 8 million of Green’s salary this year. More like 3 million (if you halve the amount of money AZ sent over in the trade last year.)
Other sites list the Mets third as well like ESPN and USA Today. Site a source and give a link if you think LA is third
Everyone says the Mets are third. So unless we see otherwise, they are third.
Oh, and you’re crazy if you think Mota has any trade value. He does not. The Mets would have to pay teams to take him.
It’s not a risk. It’s a given.
If Prior gets hurt, it’s not a big deal. As a fifth starter there’s not much expectation being place on him. With Capuano, Pelfrey, and Humber as depth…forget about it…it’s all good.
Prior, Wood, and Zambrano looked to be a dominating trio for the Cubs a couple of years back.
It makes you realize why agents are so important to players. You just don’t know if this contract will be your last.
A team like the Mets could offer Prior a minor league contract but I’m sure there are teams like the Royals, Pirates, etc that could afford to carry Prior as a 5th starter, assuming he’s ready for that.
He’s too big of a health risk for the Mets to gamble a roster spot right now. Given the choice, he’d probably sign with one of those type teams (minor league life stinks).
This is similar to what the Rangers did with Gagne. 2nd tier teams can afford to gamble with spots on the ML roster. A guy like Prior needs to build himself back (arm strength, durability) and then he’d be someone to look at in a trade near the Summer deadline.
The Mets can give Prior the fifth starter spot outright since we don’t have one. I want Gagne too since you’ve mentioned it. The Mets have the money to pay him like a Major Leaguer and let him do all that in the Minor Leagues if he really needs to, and not have any competition or lose anything trading for him. SIGN MARK PRIOR!!!!!!
Is your screen name an oxymoronor something?? OR ARE U JUST THE MORON??? cmon pal…Capuano,Prior, Gagne???Is today April 1st or something???
lol, so just how are the phonics classes coming along? Not too good huh? Aww….try starting with “The Little Engine That Could”…..and think you can, think you can, think you can…..then apply that new found conceptual knowledge to stop being such a dillweed. Yes, Prior, Capuano, Gagne, and SANTANA. They effectually replace Glavine, Maine, Mota, and Sele. Maine was good, but Pelfrey and Humber will be better, and Maine is worth more in trade right now. Smart move is to trade Maine at peak value while attaining maybe the best pitcher in the game. Who can also hit.
Ok so who replaces Reyes??? cuz thats what it will take + prospects 4 Santana……u do realize that right Gomer?
Reyes stays. Trade Maine and Bostick to Arizona for Conor Jackson, Carlos Quentin, and Dave Krynzel. Then take Conor Jackson and Carlos Quentin and pair them up with Carlos Gomez and Deolis Guerra, and viola…we’ve got Johan Santana.
We have to trade our VIOLA? NO, HE’S TOO VALUABLE!!!!!!
Prior is a high-risk high-reward type of player… Maybe the Jacket can work his magic on him… Worth a shot at a possible No. 1… Then again, I can win the lottery tomorrow…
Can’t win unless you buy a ticket…
I certainly wouldn’t mind Kuroda BUT he should not be viewed as anything than a 4th starter.
He’s ok and can be fairly effective but I don’t like him too much. I been watching video of him and he throws a fastball in the 88-91 mph range. He has a nice breaking pitch but I dunno…
I don’t like him as I feel he’s not a major upgrade and is not an elite talent but at the same time a rotation that goes:
Pedro Martinez
Oliver Perez
John Maine
Kuroda
Pelfrey/Humber/El Duque
isn’t too bad… Plus you don’t give up any draft picks! Which is important for the Mets at this point.
Yeah, but I think I’d like
Pedro
Perez
Maine
Silva/Livan
Pelfrey
a little better
AWwww FILTH’N PUKE
I like Blanton better.
The Mets have 3 outfield prospects on the rise in Milledge, Gomez and Martinez, with Beltran here for 4 more years.
Sign Kosuke to a 4 year deal, trade Milledge and Heilman, who is on his last year of his contract, for Joe Blanton. Maybe even see if we could get a decent minor league first baseman for Humber.
Milledge would be perfectly expendable over the long term with Martinez, Beltran, Gomez and Fukudome.
Heilman as well with Smith, Sanchez and Kunz. The majority of our prospects are pitchers and outfielders, and Blanton can be a short term and long term solution as a middle of the rotation pitcher.
Mets in 08 have Wagner, Sanchez, Smith, Feliciano, Show, Sosa, El Duque, Pelfrey, Blanton, Perez, Maine, Pedro, Lo Duca, Delgado, Castillo, Reyes, Wright, Alou, Beltran, Fukudome
Mets in 09 have Wagner, Sanchez, Smith, Kunz, Feliciano, Show, Sosa, Mulvey, Blanton, Perez, Maine, Pelfrey, Lo Duca, Free agenct (Dunn, or someone else available), Gotay, Reyes, Wright, Gomez/Martinez (should Martinez be ready, trade Gomez at trade deadline), Beltran, Fukudome.
I’d worry about a few things getting rid of Heilman–
1) Joe Smith isn’t anywhere near as good pitching to lefties as Heilman– if he comes back and can get righties out like he did in the first half of 2007, then he’d be a replacement for Bradford at best.
2) Will Sanchez be healthy? the first injury was a freak occurrance, but everything from the slow recovery to injuring himself further suggests that either he rushed coming back, or that he didn’t take the therapy seriously enough, and was still overcompensating for the original injury.
Now, if Padilla shows he can pitch next spring, and Sanchez is healthy, I’d definitely look at moving Heilman aroudn the deadline. But right now, he’s a sure thing, and we can’t make the same mistake we made with Bradford.
GARBAGE!! NO MORE LOUSY JAPANESE PLAYERS!!!! EVER!!!!
I think we have found the lonliest….most unethical and non-baseball savy Mets fan ever…and there he is above my post and he has posted against every other post above.
i agree…i’ve never seen so many ridiculous points in one thread…
I’m thinking its a joke!
He is like the “Jim Norton” of Met’s fans….but I like some of Jim Norton’s jokes @ least.
aww don’t compare “mets dunce” with lil Jimmy…
I am planning to go see lil Jimmy tonight in fact…
A 33yr old AAAA pitcher (Japanese BB) with average stuff isn’t worth the money. If the Mets don’t have a shot at an elite talent, I’d rather go after Hernandez. He’s the same player but has proven he’s a #3-4 starter at the ML level.
Does anyone know what he’ll cost in compensation to the Snakes?
Metro41, Livan would be a Type B free agent which would just be a sandwhich pick. So it shouldn’t affect the Mets in the 1st round.
To be honest, at this point, I consider Livan Hernandez, Carlos Silva, and Kuroda to be interchangeable. None of them provide a really big upgrade. I think it all goes down to who has the least ammount of money and least commitment. That’s how I’d decide it.
Mark Prior is better than them all, and Mike Pelfrey will put up comparable numbers at a much cheaper rate…no need to encumber the roster with these high priced, dead weight garbage players…
Right. Let’s encumber the roster instead with an injury-prone pitcher who might force us to start Dave Williams regularly beginning in May. I like your plan much, much better.
Capuano would be the swing man, and maybe Humber or Pelfrey or even Williams or Vargas takes over as long man…no big deal…Willie doesn’t use a long man in a traditional sense anyway. Capuano is an intriguing option in his own right. When El Duque goes down, Pelfrey or Humber takes over….Between Capuano, Pelfrey, and Humber the Mets have ample arms in case of injury.
I think Silva translates over to a #3 starter hedging to a #2 in the NL, performance-wise, which is a bonus, as he’d be technically in the #4 slot with the Mets. Silva’s a groundball pitcher, which is something we really don’t have in the rotation right now (Perez is typically a strikeout/extreme fly ball pitcher, Maine’s a fly ball pitcher, Pelfrey doesn’t know what type of pitcher he is yet, and Pedro’s moved more toward groundball) Livan would be a solid innings-eating pitcher, but he’s still much more susceptible to the homer than Silva.
Silva gives up a home run every start….what are you talking about? Livan is trash too. I don’t want any scrubs. The days of scrubs are officially over. Hopefully Guillermo Mota will be the last one ever, and hopefully he doesn’t make it to opening day. I want Capuano, I want Prior, and I want Santana. And Gagne to replace Mota. SPEND A LITTLE.
Mets Genius- Some of your ideas aren’t bad. Capuano and Prior are great reclamation projects that could likely be had a far under their value; like Oliver Perez was.
However, the Santana thing just isn’t happening. The D’Backs won’t trade two highly touted young players for a pitcher who tops out as a low #2 and whom would be a disaster in that ballpark. Gagne is about as shot as Mota is right now. And can people stop calling the Mets cheap? They spent well over 100 million bucks on salary last year. Thats far from cheap.
Define cheap. One could easily define it as spending less than what’s needed to win in spite of having exceedingly high profit margins. Gagne in my opinion was just tired. This was his first season back that he’s accumulated any inning total since what, 2004? Maine is poised to improve upon last year in very much the same way Ian Snell did in 2007 from 2006 where he dropped a hole point off his ERA. That was Maine’s first full season, and he was a Cy Young candidate until the All-Star break. He’s a very valuable trade chip right now, and you better believe teams recognize that. I think Arizona jumps on that deal, and it doesn’t hurt he’s shined in big games before either.
Silva translates into maybe a three at best, more likely a #4. He’s a neutral pitcher and has not been solidly groundball since early in his career.
For example, Chein Ming Wang had a GB% of 58.5% last year, the worst of his career. His GB/FB ratio was 2.51.
Silva, by comparison was 47.5% and 1.41. In other words, he’s neutral at best. A groundball pitcher should get more than 50% of his batted balls on the ground. Silva doesn’t. By comparison, Pelfrey who “doesn’t know what type of pitcher he is yet” had a GB% of 48.3% and a GB/FB rate of 1.70.
Seriously, if this is the best that’s out there, the Mets should not even bother with pitching. Paying ten million over many years for back end starters is a good way to waste money. The Mets are far better off throwing Pelfrey out there and hoping he improves on his control. If he does so only slightly, he’s likely going to be a better pitcher than Silva.
I’d rather throw 30 million a year at A-Rod than 20 million at guys who will produce about as much as the minimum salaried players already on roster.
The only reason I like the idea of Silva is because of the innings he can pitch. He and Pelfry might give you the same numbers but I doubt Pelfry will give the same # of innings. If we don’t find some starting pitching that will go deep into games we’ll just wind up with a dead bullpenn again.
There’s a youtube of him pitching here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6QhfHMxWPA
Sorry if that has already been posted…
Is there a bidding process on Kudora? And if so, what’s the “negotiating fee”? Not that the Mets are cash poor, but spending $11Mil per PLUS a one time $25/$28Mil on a #3 starter is a waste of money considering Silva is also available, is an innings eater, already has ML experience (as well as NL experience) AND as a Class C FA won’t cost the Mets anything to sign….
Nope, no posting fee.
Kuroda is a straight up free agent.
We should deal Maine and Perez for Johan then deal Johan for Bo Jackson from Tecmobowl I WANT BO JACKSON I WANT BO JACKSON. Then we sign Jorge Posada and put him and second base, HE PLAYED THERE IN THE MINORS HE CAN PLAY THERE NOW. Then we sign craig biggio to play left 2 days a week. I WANT CRAIG BIGGIO I WANT CRAGI BIGGIO I WANT CRAIG BIGGIO. THen we pick up davey johnson to play second, but he has to produce at his 1973 level with the Braves (43 homers) and then we put 4 guys at second base so when jose reyes doesn’t feel like diving someone else will get it. I WANT FOUR SHORT STOPS I WANT FOUR SHORT STOPS.
seriously? mets genius? how old are you?