Maybe it’s crack you’re on? You mean if Boras was Reyes agent I’d be calling their deal last summer proof of a bad working relationship? HUH? I would say just the opposite. And if Boras were Fonzie’s agent I’d call the deal they worked out when he was a Met a great example of a good working relationship. And if Boras were Cedeno’s agent I’d say wow they really get along well as those contract negotiations went so smoothly and quickly

So I have no clue what you’re talking about. Boras would get rave reviews if he were the agent for those 3.

As for the excellent working relationship — It’s things I’ve read from reporters and quotes from the Greenbergs themselves which lead me to believe this. And YES, this relationship did result in all 3 players (Reyes, Cedeno, Fonzie) signing contracts/extensions with the team. What the hell are you smoking tonight??

As I already said, the fact that at one point a team may not want to retain a player does not mean that his agent no longer has a good relationship with the club. That’s the most bizarre concept I think I’ve ever heard from you. More bizarre than many of our odd A-Rod ideas. As I said, if that were the case then no team in baseball would have a good relationship with any agent ever! Your idea makes no sense.

And as I already said, a player is almost always disappointed and hurt when not asked to come back but that doesn’t mean they are 1) very angry with the team and 2) the relationship with the agent is harmed.

Do you really think an agent expects a team to bring back players who the team deems finished? That’s so bizarre I don’t know what to say!

Mets inability to bargain with his agent and come to an agreement for his services.

Do you not understand that sometimes a team doesn’t want to bring back a player? They don’t really want to bargain? It takes 2 to bargain. Do you not understand for example that the Mets did not want to bring back Piazza after 2005, or Newhan after this year? It happens. I don’t know why you have such a hard time understanding this concept.

Whether the Mets didnt really want him at that time or thought he was done or – as they said – wanted the market to dictate the price – is inconsequential.

Greenberg failed to leverage his “long standing excellent relationship” with the team to get his player signed.

No, it’s not inconsequential at all. It’s the very reason they didn’t bring him back. Your lack of logic here is really baffling.

An agent’s standing with the club is not meant to get them to sign players that they don’t want or need anymore. No agent can get a club to do that, lol. That’s so preposterous. The standing is designed to get a club to seriously consider clients they have familiarity with, and to help smooth negotiations when there is a client of theirs that the team wants to sign or re-sign.

No agent in the world can get a club to sign a player they don’t want anymore. Good relationship or not.

Hidalgo is irrelevant to this part of the discussion. And the worth of Cedeno’s contract is also irrelevant to the debate. And this is the odd part. You just got done saying Greenberg couldn’t convince the Mets that they wanted Fonzie when they really didn’t. But now you say he did just that with Cedeno? LOL. Be consistent, man.

Fact is, Cedeno was a mistake of judgment by Phillips, like so many of his moves were, What else is new? And Fonzie was an exercise in good judgment by Phillips! One of his finer moments. In both cases it was the Mets call.

Please, put down the pipe, Biggie. It’s difficult making heads and tales of your twisted logic.

If the Mets made Reyes or Wright available right now with the deals they got on their extensions, the only hotter commodity would be someone like Dan Haren. Even if you think Miguel Cabrera’s a better hitter than Wright, he’s only controlled for two years, and his AAV over that time will probably match Wright’s through 2012 (about $11 million). Miguel Cabrera will get at least $5 million more per year than than from 2009-2012. Reyes is earning even less through the remainder of his contract (Wright’s was really backloaded) at $7 million per year (and his club option is a more reasonable $11 million to Wright’s $16 million, although his garunteed years only go through 2010).

Its just that Haren’s contract is any GMs wet dream right now. AAV of less than $6 million for 3 years (including option). That and the Mets are in win now mode, and have no reason to sell their best players.

Yet this “supposed “excellent working relationship” – for which you have no support- has not resulted in his players reaching agreement with the team..

in fact.. when a player who was a long standing farm raised icon for the team – wanted to sign with the team for a discount – he would up hurt and disillusioned in the Mets inability to bargain with his agent and come to an agreement for his services. Additionally, his agent could not leverage his excellent working relationship to come to an agreement.

Whether the Mets didnt really want him at that time or thought he was done or – as they said – wanted the market to dictate the price – is inconsequential.

Greenberg failed to leverage his “long standing excellent relationship” with the team to get his player signed.

Never mind that Hidalgo signed with the Astros 6 months after he was traded to the Mets and Cedeno’s contract was one of the all time worst free agent signings for this team.. All engineered by your man who reps Santana..

Admit it.. if this was the record of Scott Boras with the team you’d be having a field day on it.

My original statement concerned the fees that Cedeno, Aflfonze, and Reyes produced for the Greenbergs. Those numbers are accurate whether or not Fonzie is an active major leaguer or not. What, you think Greenberg has to return the fees once they play for the LI Ducks, lol?

And they still represent Fonzie and Cedeno and you better bet they’d return their calls. if for nothing else out of courtesy.

And even if Fonzie were angry at the Mets, that doesn’t mean his agent and the Mets would stop having the excellent relationship they now enjoy. Why would they?

Id bet that the Greenbergs don’t even return their calls

”We fully anticipated them making an offer,” Greenberg said. ”I’m surprised and disappointed. Edgardo’s also disillusioned. After all he did for them, he feels hurt they didn’t make an offer.”

pretty strong words… not exactly an amicable breakup.

18.0 Cedeno
20.7 Alfonzo
23.3 Reyes

So that’s fees off of at least $62 million. I would certainly characterize that as a good chunk of their fees.

Again, I stand by every one of my statements — unless your initial statement about the size of their client base is wrong.

I never said …the “majority” of them or “most” of them are not on the level of Fonzie and Reyes and Cedeno. Do you know what “majority” and “most” mean?

here’s what you did say

Reyes, Cedeno, Hidalgo, and Fonzie are the basis for my characterization and probably represent for the Greenbergs a good chunk of their fees over the last few years.
The Greenbergs don’t have that many high profile clients. Most of them are probably at the minor league level or are bench/utility players. So the Mets have had a good share of the ones they have had.

heres what the article I linked to says — which is contradictory to your above statement..

No. 1:
Peter Greenberg (Peter E. Greenberg & Associates)
Score: 244
New York City

Standout Deal: After the 2006 season he capitalized on Detroit’s first pennant in 22 years by inking Tigers infielder Carlos Guillen to a four-year, $48,000,000 contract

would you still say the majority of their clients are “bench/utility players” and that the Mets have had a “good share of the high profile clients” the Greenbergs have had?