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	<title>Comments on: Blog: Olney to Trade Mets for O&#8217;s</title>
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		<title>By: Meddler</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/13/blog-olney-to-trade-mets-for-os/#comment-39892</link>
		<dc:creator>Meddler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah but LoDuca will probably only continue to decline in his age 36 season, while Ramon Hernandez&#039;s value might be at its lowest it will possibly be until he reaches a similar age mark (he&#039;ll be 32 next season).  He posted superior seasons with OPS ranging from about .770-.820 between 2003-2006.  During that time, LoDuca only cracked .760 once, and that was in 2006 when he hit second in the Mets lineup.  Even last season, which wasn&#039;t particularly good for either, Ramon&#039;s batting numbers were slightly better aside from Batting Average and Games played.  He even finished with 8 more RBIs in 13 fewer games.  

Ramon will have a good chance of getting back towards his career numbers next year, which would basically make him Paul LoDuca with a few more Ks (nothing out of control though) and a slightly lower BA to go with more power and RBI production.  For a bottom of the order hitter, that&#039;s definitely preferred right now.  Plus if you add in Brian Roberts you can snag a draft pick for Luis by offering arbitration (assuming he&#039;d reject in favor of garunteed playing time and longer, more lucrative deal) and possibly add Chad Bradford on the two year deal Omar initially wanted, plus maybe snag a decent deal on Bedard for taking all that salary off the Orioles hands.

This is by far the best trade proposal I&#039;ve heard.  It fills ALL the Mets needs if it could get done (assuming beefing up the package and taking all that salary off the O&#039;s hands could make Bedard available).  Maybe some package of Gomez, Guerra, and two or three out of Heilman, Humber, Pelfrey, and Mulvey for Bedard, Hernandez, Roberts, and Bradford.  I think you have to seriously think about that if your Omar.  You could restock the farm with four picks before the second round even begins in the draft (between the pick they have, the two for Glavine, and the supplemental for Castillo) and your plans for 2008 with Milledge in RF are intact.  Spend the money you would have spent on the FA market on locking up Bedard and Oliver Perez and maybe even John Maine and Brian Roberts if you can.  Spice it up with some more of Omar&#039;s signature international signings, and you&#039;ve made your big league club much stronger while only doing minor damage to your farm, maybe even making it stronger if Omar drafts well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah but LoDuca will probably only continue to decline in his age 36 season, while Ramon Hernandez&#8217;s value might be at its lowest it will possibly be until he reaches a similar age mark (he&#8217;ll be 32 next season).  He posted superior seasons with OPS ranging from about .770-.820 between 2003-2006.  During that time, LoDuca only cracked .760 once, and that was in 2006 when he hit second in the Mets lineup.  Even last season, which wasn&#8217;t particularly good for either, Ramon&#8217;s batting numbers were slightly better aside from Batting Average and Games played.  He even finished with 8 more RBIs in 13 fewer games.  </p>
<p>Ramon will have a good chance of getting back towards his career numbers next year, which would basically make him Paul LoDuca with a few more Ks (nothing out of control though) and a slightly lower BA to go with more power and RBI production.  For a bottom of the order hitter, that&#8217;s definitely preferred right now.  Plus if you add in Brian Roberts you can snag a draft pick for Luis by offering arbitration (assuming he&#8217;d reject in favor of garunteed playing time and longer, more lucrative deal) and possibly add Chad Bradford on the two year deal Omar initially wanted, plus maybe snag a decent deal on Bedard for taking all that salary off the Orioles hands.</p>
<p>This is by far the best trade proposal I&#8217;ve heard.  It fills ALL the Mets needs if it could get done (assuming beefing up the package and taking all that salary off the O&#8217;s hands could make Bedard available).  Maybe some package of Gomez, Guerra, and two or three out of Heilman, Humber, Pelfrey, and Mulvey for Bedard, Hernandez, Roberts, and Bradford.  I think you have to seriously think about that if your Omar.  You could restock the farm with four picks before the second round even begins in the draft (between the pick they have, the two for Glavine, and the supplemental for Castillo) and your plans for 2008 with Milledge in RF are intact.  Spend the money you would have spent on the FA market on locking up Bedard and Oliver Perez and maybe even John Maine and Brian Roberts if you can.  Spice it up with some more of Omar&#8217;s signature international signings, and you&#8217;ve made your big league club much stronger while only doing minor damage to your farm, maybe even making it stronger if Omar drafts well.</p>
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		<title>By: TilMetsDoUsPart</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/13/blog-olney-to-trade-mets-for-os/#comment-39879</link>
		<dc:creator>TilMetsDoUsPart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Bedard?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Bedard?</p>
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		<title>By: TilMetsDoUsPart</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/13/blog-olney-to-trade-mets-for-os/#comment-39877</link>
		<dc:creator>TilMetsDoUsPart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Castro isn&#039;t a starter. He had a decent year as a backup. He&#039;s never been a starter and he&#039;s 32. His career average is .234, his career high in HRs is 11.

Lo Duca is going back to New York, and in a Mets uniform.. I guarantee it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Castro isn&#8217;t a starter. He had a decent year as a backup. He&#8217;s never been a starter and he&#8217;s 32. His career average is .234, his career high in HRs is 11.</p>
<p>Lo Duca is going back to New York, and in a Mets uniform.. I guarantee it.</p>
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		<title>By: TilMetsDoUsPart</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/13/blog-olney-to-trade-mets-for-os/#comment-39875</link>
		<dc:creator>TilMetsDoUsPart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bedard is crazy, with Roberts, we can do something called &quot;re-sign.&quot; Roberts is a great hitter, runner and fielder. I&#039;d take him over Gotay in a second.

Ship Milledge, Heilman, Pelfrey, Humber and Gotay for Roberts and Bedard.

They can&#039;t reject it.... Heilman is a young bullpen force to add to Bradford, Ray, Cherry and Walker. Pelfrey and Humber are young starters with some good potential, or at least Pelfrey is. Gotay and Milledge are nice, young, solid hitters who can build around Markakis. If they can send Tejada to the Yankees for at least Cabrera, they&#039;d be starting on a decent young core.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bedard is crazy, with Roberts, we can do something called &#8220;re-sign.&#8221; Roberts is a great hitter, runner and fielder. I&#8217;d take him over Gotay in a second.</p>
<p>Ship Milledge, Heilman, Pelfrey, Humber and Gotay for Roberts and Bedard.</p>
<p>They can&#8217;t reject it&#8230;. Heilman is a young bullpen force to add to Bradford, Ray, Cherry and Walker. Pelfrey and Humber are young starters with some good potential, or at least Pelfrey is. Gotay and Milledge are nice, young, solid hitters who can build around Markakis. If they can send Tejada to the Yankees for at least Cabrera, they&#8217;d be starting on a decent young core.</p>
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		<title>By: TilMetsDoUsPart</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/13/blog-olney-to-trade-mets-for-os/#comment-39874</link>
		<dc:creator>TilMetsDoUsPart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that that would be a little bit dumb... What with the cost, the need of a starter, Linebrink in the agency and the young arms we have available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that that would be a little bit dumb&#8230; What with the cost, the need of a starter, Linebrink in the agency and the young arms we have available.</p>
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		<title>By: jdon</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/13/blog-olney-to-trade-mets-for-os/#comment-39870</link>
		<dc:creator>jdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want Bedard for christmas,  Bring him in, and all is forgiven, Omar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want Bedard for christmas,  Bring him in, and all is forgiven, Omar.</p>
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		<title>By: TilMetsDoUsPart</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/13/blog-olney-to-trade-mets-for-os/#comment-39868</link>
		<dc:creator>TilMetsDoUsPart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Milledge, Pelfrey, Heilman, Humber and Gomez for the three?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Milledge, Pelfrey, Heilman, Humber and Gomez for the three?</p>
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		<title>By: CleonJones</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/13/blog-olney-to-trade-mets-for-os/#comment-39843</link>
		<dc:creator>CleonJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like Roberts. I think he&#039;s a poor man&#039;s Utley at best, Tim Teufel at worst.  Either way, he&#039;d be an improvement over Castillo.  I definitely would like to get Bedard also. Hernandez or Bradford would be nice throw-ins for us, much the way Maine once was, but I wouldn&#039;t trade much in the way of value to pick up either Hernandez or Bradford.

As for Roberts and the possibility of being mentioned in the Mitchell Report, it doesn&#039;t matter to me. Even if you consider his 2007 as a down season, Roberts was still better than many other 2B last year, and certainly better than Castillo offensively and defensively. At 30 years old, he&#039;s not so old that he&#039;s going to fall apart all of a sudden. I like his speed very much at the top of our lineup with Reyes, and he&#039;d be a nice 2-hole hitter with a little pop. If the Mets were willing to sign Mota who was already serving a suspension for steroids and that didn&#039;t faze Minaya in the least when he did that... then Minaya should NOT be affected to trade for Roberts just on the off chance he once used steroids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like Roberts. I think he&#8217;s a poor man&#8217;s Utley at best, Tim Teufel at worst.  Either way, he&#8217;d be an improvement over Castillo.  I definitely would like to get Bedard also. Hernandez or Bradford would be nice throw-ins for us, much the way Maine once was, but I wouldn&#8217;t trade much in the way of value to pick up either Hernandez or Bradford.</p>
<p>As for Roberts and the possibility of being mentioned in the Mitchell Report, it doesn&#8217;t matter to me. Even if you consider his 2007 as a down season, Roberts was still better than many other 2B last year, and certainly better than Castillo offensively and defensively. At 30 years old, he&#8217;s not so old that he&#8217;s going to fall apart all of a sudden. I like his speed very much at the top of our lineup with Reyes, and he&#8217;d be a nice 2-hole hitter with a little pop. If the Mets were willing to sign Mota who was already serving a suspension for steroids and that didn&#8217;t faze Minaya in the least when he did that&#8230; then Minaya should NOT be affected to trade for Roberts just on the off chance he once used steroids.</p>
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		<title>By: SenatorSteve</title>
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		<dc:creator>SenatorSteve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I imagine that Bedard is about as untouchable as David Wright.

But, if we have to speculate on a pitcher on the Orioles staff, how about Daniel Cabrera.  Cy Young stuff; Anthony Young performance.  He might be worth the risk, just like Oliver Perez was two years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I imagine that Bedard is about as untouchable as David Wright.</p>
<p>But, if we have to speculate on a pitcher on the Orioles staff, how about Daniel Cabrera.  Cy Young stuff; Anthony Young performance.  He might be worth the risk, just like Oliver Perez was two years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: ReyesRocks</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/13/blog-olney-to-trade-mets-for-os/#comment-39755</link>
		<dc:creator>ReyesRocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Similar to the Marlins in salary dump mode, this concept makes a lot of sense. However, I strongly feel that this makes more sense for us to take on some of this salary for the Orioles, if they&#039;re dangling Bedard into the mix.

Personally, and trying to be as realistic as I can, 

Mets 
-Milledge
-A Hernandez
-Heilman
-Mulvey, Pelfrey or Humber
-Two High ceiling AA Prospects that interest the Orioles that the Mets would be open to considering

Orioles
-Bedard
-Hernandez
-Roberts 
-Bradford


I think it works for both, losing salary for Baltimore AND aquiring MLB ready players, and picking up a pitcher plus empty spots for the Mets</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Similar to the Marlins in salary dump mode, this concept makes a lot of sense. However, I strongly feel that this makes more sense for us to take on some of this salary for the Orioles, if they&#8217;re dangling Bedard into the mix.</p>
<p>Personally, and trying to be as realistic as I can, </p>
<p>Mets<br />
-Milledge<br />
-A Hernandez<br />
-Heilman<br />
-Mulvey, Pelfrey or Humber<br />
-Two High ceiling AA Prospects that interest the Orioles that the Mets would be open to considering</p>
<p>Orioles<br />
-Bedard<br />
-Hernandez<br />
-Roberts<br />
-Bradford</p>
<p>I think it works for both, losing salary for Baltimore AND aquiring MLB ready players, and picking up a pitcher plus empty spots for the Mets</p>
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