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Grimacepipe.Com » Buzz: Consider Livan Hernandez — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:25:45 +0000

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By: Krusty The Klown

Krusty The Klown — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:14:32 +0000

trading for blanton, signing silva, and signing linebrink/riske would be da bomb and it won’t be hard to do.

By: coldentoshea76

coldentoshea76 — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:33:20 +0000

I certainly agree that many of our pitching problems last year had to do with poor managerial decisions, but telling a young pitcher who has never thrown over 150 innings or so in a season that the team now has the “confidence” in him to count on him for 200 quality innings is nothing short of Dusty Baker-style abuse and the best way to insure that your young starter will not only fail down the stretch but blow his arm out doing it. Yes, pitchers used to pitch longer and more often, but they were trained to do so from the beginning. Darling, for instance, pitched 205 innings in his first full season in 1984 _because_ he pitched 195 innings the year before between Tidewater and five mlb starts. Pelfrey, Humber, Mulvey, or any other young pitcher is simply not capable of suddenly increasing their season workload by over 30%. It would be like asking the ‘84 Darling to pitch 260 innings, which certainly would have blown his arm out too. And Pedro hasn’t thrown even close to a full season since 2005, so to expect him to go from last season’s 28 mlb innings to a full season’s worth of SP innings, no matter how he’s managed, just isn’t close to physically possible.

By: Mike Vail

Mike Vail — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:42:10 +0000

I haven’t heard perez and Maine’s name come up much in trade rumors. i think Omar values them as much as you. Unless you are trading them in a package for a true ace like Santana or Haren I don’t see either of these guys moving given their age and distance from free agency, and the true upside both showed last year.

By: mistermet

mistermet — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:29:57 +0000

Or in the direction of this mickey mouse franchise!

By: mistermet

mistermet — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:29:35 +0000

Throwing truckloads of money at Livan Hernandez? Jorge Posada? Carlos Silva, who has the worst K/9 of any pitcher in the history of MLB? As if Minaya hasn’t run this team into the ground enough already…He should be dismissed, and I have zero confidence in him.

By: Jaded1983

Jaded1983 — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:17:41 +0000

Does anyone else aside from me see trading Maine orPerez as a huge mistake?? They are young pitchers that we need to build AROUND. sure we can use them as trading chips now, but what happens next year when Pedro presumably leaves? We are stuck in the same situation with only Pelfrey/Humber to trade if need be.

Maine and Perez should be built around. yes we need an ace, i agree. yes we need some inning eaters. but the mets needs these two guys, they are the future of the pitching aspect of the organization much as reyes and wright are the future of the rest of the team.

thoughts??

By: matt_bucc

matt_bucc — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:47:31 +0000

What you fail to realize, edwindrewes, is that your entire point is based on the assumption that it would be easy for the Mets to acquire a “young monster” like a Lincecum, or a Kazmir. It’s not that easy. Those guys aren’t coming easy, if at all, so it’s not a bad – scratch that – it’s an extraordinarily good idea to shore up the back end of your rotation in the likely event that you don’t sign someone to “bump everyone down.” Signing Silva (which I favor) or Livan gives us more flexibility so we might later pursue that ace without being hamstrung going into the season if that doesn’t work out.

By: matt_bucc

matt_bucc — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:33:52 +0000

That’s not true. We have two guys coming off 15-win seasons, and a hopefully rejuvenated Pedro, though you don’t want to count on that. Yeah, we need an ace, but what could have also made a big difference last year was having one or more arms in the rotation to throw 200 innings. The closest we got was Glavine, with 190-something.

More innings by the starters takes pressure off the pen, which was so terrible down the stretch last year mainly because of overwork. If we have two starters who are consistently pitching 6 and 7 innings, both with an ERA in the 4-4.50 range, that makes us so much better over the course of a season, regardless of individual statistics. In the absence of an available ace, this is the best move we can make for the rotation. As an earlier poster mentioned, even having only one of Silva or Livan in the 5 spot is a HUGE upgrade over Pelfrey/Lawrence/whatever other crap we had out there last year. And make no mistake, Pelfrey would be best served in middle relief next year so he can develop with a little less pressure.

We’re not signing Silva or Livan to be an ace. As fans we should stop being ignorant and uninformed and recognize these moves for what they are – effectively down-roster moves. Not everything you do in the offseason has to be about making a big splash.

By: edwindrewes

edwindrewes — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:04:20 +0000

People constantly think about the things of lesser importance…..For example worrying about the catcher position instead of focusing on pitching and getting the best player alive….Or getting an innings eater #5 starter….Those things come in time, and can be filled up, but to make your first move spending money on a garbage player so you can fill some small aspect of need is just being nitpicky….