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According to Jim Moloney, at MLB.com, citing ‘multiple club sources,’ the Braves intend to offer free-agent LHP Tom Glavine 
a one-year, $8-9 million contract, which he is expected to sign in the next week or so.
At Amazin Avenue, Eric Simon explains…
“If he signs with the Braves and the Mets offer him arbitration they will collect the Braves’ first round pick…Should the Braves sign Glavine prior to December 1 (or prior to the Mets offering arbitration, whichever comes first), they automatically forfeit their first rounder next year, even if the Mets weren’t planning on offering Glavine arbitration.”
…this will be interesting to watch, because if the Mets take a risk, offer arbitration and glavine accepts, it means he will be pitching for them next season, like it or not…of course, if the Mets don’t offer arbitration to glavine, while they lose out on getting the draft pick, they also avoid any chance he will accept…
For what it’s worth, faced with a similar situation last off-season, the Mets did not offer salary arbitration to Glavine, though he eventually re-signed.
By the way, the Braves have the 18th pick in the first round.
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I’d offer him arbitration, knowing that he turned down a 13M option, he’ll probably turn down the offer if he knows he’ll only get 10M or so…It’s worth the risk for the #18 pick in the draft…Worse case he’s your #4or #5 starter in 08
The BEST thing we can do is offer him arbitration!! We either take Glavine back from The Braves or we steal an Atlanta draft pick… either way it works for me…
Glavine isnt the best option out there, but you cant look past how well he pitched last year (until the end) I’d take him for one more year if need be, but I doubt he’d accept arbitration
I agree, they have to offer him arbitration. Last year the Braves pick was protected as it was in the top 15, so they would have got the 2nd rounder instead, thats a huge difference.
If he accepts the Mets are in a much better position than last year as they can put Pelfrey and Humber both at AAA ready for action when someone breaks down.
A rotation of Pedro, Glavine, Maine, Perez, and Silva/Livan isnt spectacular, but when you have Pelfrey, Duque, Sosa, and Humber around to fill in its much better than last year.
The offense will have to produce and the pen will have to be better, but its a rotation that can win 65-75 games.
Look…it is just good business to offer him arbitration and demand the pick is returned to us if he bolts. I don’t want him either but the reality is we could do worse. If Glavine is the #5 guy in the rotation as we have placed Livan and Silva possibly, why not Glavine. His numbers as as good as theirs (well better than Livan and just a bit worse than Silva) plus he had more quality starts than all of them and gave us 200 innings.
Glavines problem with us is we used him as our #1. Looking at him as a number 5 kind of changes the perspective for me.
I’d still go hard after the ace but we lose nothing by either getting him back if he accepts arbitration or if we get the pick. Meaining… We can still package others to get the ace and in the meantime we have a back end of the rotation starter who eats 200 innings, pitches to a mid 4 era and can win 12 games on this squad (maybe more if he is pitching against other teams number 5 starters rather than 4 times against John Smoltz
The mets would be stupid not to offer arbitration before Dec 1. Glavine is committed to being a Brave and would certainly decline it. Our farm system is somewhat mediocre and a few years away from blossoming. That 18th pick can get us a Joba, Buckholz or a Kazmir. I’m hoping that we can get an prospect soon to be ace in our farm.
They better offer arbitration… no way he’ll accept….he owes the Mets that… The mets have been first with dealing with Glavine
Once again, confusion reigns on the subject of draft picks.
You say that either A or B must occur, suggesting that if the Mets offer him arbitration, the Mets will get their pick regardless of when Glavine signs. Then you say, the Braves can avoid losing a pick if they wait until after Dec. 1. It can’t be both.
Does anyone out there know the answer to this question?
If Glavine signs before December 1st, we get the draft pick without having to offer him arbitration.
If he waits until after December 1st, we need to offer him arbitration to get the draft pick.
i don’t read it the same way as you do. if the mets offer arbitration and glavine rejects it (regardless of when), then the mets get the pick.
How do you not read it like that? This couldn’t be any simpler
It’s simple now, because Matt removed the passage that created to the confusion. But I’m still not sure of the correct answer. Guess we’ll have to wait and see.
I DON’T blame Matt for the confusion: most sportswriters have no clue about how the process works, even though they can get any GM on the line any day of the week. What chance do we mere mortals have?
matt_bucc, it’s not simple. if you think it is, good for you.
Why don’t we just offer Arbitration to get a draft pick from the Braves. IF this backfires and Glavine accepts with the Mets, then can’t we just trade him?
For said draft pick? haha..
I don’t see how the Braves don’t wait until December 1st, I bet it’s the only reason they haven’t signed him. As much as I don’t want him back, you have to offer him arbritration.
Tom Glavine is untradable.
He’s a 5/10 player, he has a full no trade and there is no way he would approve a deal to anywhere but Atlanta.
just let him go, forget the 17th pick.
The Mets have expressed interest in bringing him back, offer arbitration, the $ is irrelevant and I don’t think there are no trade clauses if he goes through arbitration, so they either get another year out of him, get a draft pick or can trade him mid-season if they are not playing well.
Why don’t Omar and the Wilpon’s fly down to Atlanta and see what’s best for “Tommy”.
The hell with the Mets and their fans.
What would “Tommy” and “his family” like?
Golly, I’d love to have him on the mound with the season on the line again next year. He’s so cool.
i find myself asking the same question over and over again. given the rules, why would any team every sign a FA before 12/1 (provided the FA’s team didn’t offer arbitration)?
i guess the obvious answer is that you risk losing the FA to another team willing to give up a pick. however, if you have a deal in principle with a player, why not just ask to wait until 12/1?
I have to admit, this draft pick stuff confuses me and I have made no attempt to understand.
So, I pulled my originally explanation from this post and referenced Eric Simon at AA, instead.
However it works, Omar has to get that draft pick. There is no excuse. The draft picks are too valuable in this market. Worst possible scenario is he returns to the Mets because he is forced to. But I don’t think that has any chance of happening.
he would just reject arbitration.
I might be wrong here, but I don’t believe we get the Braves first round pick because our record was in the top 15 of MLB teams. We get the second round pick plus a sandwich round pick. We could only get the third round pick if the Braves sign another free agent whom is rated higher than Glavine by the Elias Bureau. Look what happened with Chad Bradford and Roberto Hernandez who were both Type A Free Agents. We had no first round picks at all this year.
They better offer him arbitration. He won’t accept. But when they offer it, they need to make it clear that they want him to be the mop-up man.
He’ll never take it.
If they don’t offer arbitration, we’ll know they’re not serious about winning
I’m pretty sure.. if I remember correctly… that the Mets didn’t offer him arbitration last year as some sort of verbal agreement with him.
They better offer him arbitration this year as he’s a sure bet to leave… and if he stays… I have no problem with that… the more quality starters we have the better.
Just let him go!
forget the draft pick, the risk of possibly bringing that scum back is not worth a draft pick.
Offer it. At this point, I would rather see him back than sign Livan or Silva for 3 years! Or even 1 for Hernandez.
They could trade him too if they really wanted to screw with him.
If the braves are sure the mets wil offer arbitration, there really isn’t any reaon to wait until 12/1 to sign him.
well seeing as he’s a 5/10 guy he has a full no trade clause. Also, you can’t trade a newly signed free agent until at least May (or is it June) 15th.
To all you guys below who think arbitration is a no brainer, you are nuts. There is a very good chance te Braves will low ball Glavine, they ARE very cheap, and the Mets will be stuck with the arbitrators decision. Glavine had sexy numbers last year, even though they were very deceptive, and he could easily be awarded over $10M in arbitration. That’s more than the $8-9M the Braves seem to be ready to offer which means get ready for another dissapointing Mets season!
glavine, delgado, mota, Met fans … the hate is back!
might as well get saberhagen to be the bullpen coach, vince coleman to coach firstbase and bobby bonilla can be the hitting instructor.
Tell me he won’t be better than Silva at $10 mil for 4 years.
he won’t be. Glavine has shown time and time again that when it’s a big spot, he fails. after witnessing Sept. 30 2007 in person, I’m done with the guy.
Silva will be fine as a Met. Pitching in the NL and at Shea (at least for one year) will dramatically reduce his HR totals. Silva walks no one, in 2005 he walked NINE batters all year (188 1/3 innings). Silva is the perfect 4-5 starter for the Mets, he’ll pitch lots of innings, puts the ball in play and not give up the walks that Glavine and eveyone else in orange and blue love to surrender.
Don’t you guys get it? Glavine is only effective when there is an ump willing to give him that bogus Braves’ strike that’s a good foot outside. forget Glavine, move on people!
you know, if the Mets could wrap up Oliver Perez for 4 years 40 mil, then bringing back Glavine wouldnt be so bad.
I would hate to see what Omar does if Pedro, Glavine, Perez, and Duque all went to free agency at the end of 2008. His head would be spinning… They would either have 5 Carlos Silva’s or it would be Santana, Maine, and pray for rain…?
Remeber the year the Mets signed Traschel and Appier instead of Hampton?
No one here WANTS Glavine. This is a matter of being smart. Glavine won’t accept arbitration when he has already turned down $13 mil. This is simply for getting a draft pick in the first round, from a division rival no less. It’s our way of saying “F U!”
@ natew
Yea, except Perez will probably cost more than 4 years at $10 mil per. If Silva is at that, Perez could get $15 mil per and his agent knows it.
I missed something – what exactly have Delgado, Glavine, and Mota done to be lumped in with Vince Coleman (pushing his manager, parking lot hijinks), Bret Saberhagen (threw bleach on a reporter) and Bobby Bonilla (called press box to get a scorer’s call changed, physically threatened Bob Klapisch)??
I love my Mets and I have been a huge supporter of Omar and Co. But if the Mets lose Glavine to the Braves AND they don’t get a draft pick for it, I’m going to explode with rage. That would be incompetence on the highest level. You have to offer arbitration, especially knowing that he wont be back. Even if he does come back, he’ll be your #3 pitcher, so what’s to lose?
Look we have done what’s best for Glavine out of respect. At this point we have to do what’s best for the Mets and that’s always to screw the Braves. You have to offer him arbitration. This is a no brainer. Draft pick or Glavine comes back for 1 year at 10 million to be the #5 with a no trade clause. You have to do this. If you thought he was signing with the Astro’s maybe not, but being its the Braves you HAVE to do it.
meant to say he would not have a no trade clause.
I want that draft pick.
the mets better offer glavine arbitration.
the #17 pick is very important especially if the mets sign a free agent (not that there is much out there) and lose their own again. next year they’ll surely lose a #1 pick on one of those top-of-the-rotation starters.
well since wilpon sweats glavine hardcore – i can see them having a verbal agreement that the mets would not offer glavine arbitration therefore screwing us once again
What the hell happened to running this thing like a business!? First, they want to be nice to Selig and not go above the league recommended bonus cap for rookies thereby losing out on top amateur talent and now they’re prepared to give up a #1 pick so Glavine can be happy! This is such crap!!! They might as well just give away F-Mart and Guerra while they’re at it if they don’t offer Glavine arbitration!
Whatever spoken agreements may exist between Jeffy and Glavine and whatever the fine points of free-agent compensation may be, I would NOT expect to get Atlanta’s draft pick this year.
So we shouldn’t be caught off-guard when the deal with Atlana goes through and we end up with no pick.
Just my .02.
Why do people think that Glavine will only get 10 mil in arbitration. I thought arbitration will pay you more unless you performance was drastically worse than the year before. Glavine went 13-8 and pitched 200 Innings. More than likely he will be offer in the 11-12 mil range.