Comments on: Buzz: Braves or Bust for Tom Glavine http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/14/buzz-braves-or-bust-for-tom-glavine/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: ScottN http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/14/buzz-braves-or-bust-for-tom-glavine/#comment-40370 ScottN Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:16:47 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/14/buzz-braves-or-bust-for-tom-glavine/#comment-40370 Oh, and you can forget Houston and the Nats. He has more than enough money, has won 300, has a World Series Ring, and has as good a chance to make the playoffs with the home town team as he would in Houston or DC. If he gets a half-decent offer from the Braves, he'll take it, that's fine by me, as I think you'll see him go about 9-15 with a bit over 5 ERA next year if he goes the full season. Teams have adjusted to his adjustments that he made with Peterson, and he doesn't have anything left to change to try and get hitters out. Oh, and you can forget Houston and the Nats. He has more than enough money, has won 300, has a World Series Ring, and has as good a chance to make the playoffs with the home town team as he would in Houston or DC. If he gets a half-decent offer from the Braves, he’ll take it, that’s fine by me, as I think you’ll see him go about 9-15 with a bit over 5 ERA next year if he goes the full season. Teams have adjusted to his adjustments that he made with Peterson, and he doesn’t have anything left to change to try and get hitters out.

]]> By: ScottN http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/14/buzz-braves-or-bust-for-tom-glavine/#comment-40366 ScottN Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:13:27 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/14/buzz-braves-or-bust-for-tom-glavine/#comment-40366 Absolutely. I'd offer it to him in a heartbeat. Even if for some unfathomable reason he did sign, we could still use him at mid-season in a trade that might net some talent. It is hard to think of any good reason not to offer him arbitration. Absolutely. I’d offer it to him in a heartbeat. Even if for some unfathomable reason he did sign, we could still use him at mid-season in a trade that might net some talent. It is hard to think of any good reason not to offer him arbitration.

]]> By: nydre78 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/14/buzz-braves-or-bust-for-tom-glavine/#comment-40259 nydre78 Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:39:02 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/14/buzz-braves-or-bust-for-tom-glavine/#comment-40259 Good riddance Good riddance

]]> By: gowrightgo http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/14/buzz-braves-or-bust-for-tom-glavine/#comment-40198 gowrightgo Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:49:20 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/14/buzz-braves-or-bust-for-tom-glavine/#comment-40198 All the more reason to offer him the arbitration tag. With your argument in place, he is very unlikely to accept it and would either sign with Atlanta , Houston the Nationals or walk away. All the more reason to offer him the arbitration tag. With your argument in place, he is very unlikely to accept it and would either sign with Atlanta , Houston the Nationals or walk away.

]]> By: ScottN http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/14/buzz-braves-or-bust-for-tom-glavine/#comment-40176 ScottN Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:39:13 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/14/buzz-braves-or-bust-for-tom-glavine/#comment-40176 Glavine was never fully comfortable here, he has his 300 wins, and will get booed mercelessly if he were a Met in 2008. Why in the world would he want to come back to the Mets next year? Braves or retire makes most sense for Glavine. I don't think he wants to end his career on 1/3 inning pitched, but he certainly doesn't want to end his career with us--not anymore. And I have no interest in him doing so. It was an interesting run with Glavine, and his performance in the '06 playoffs were stellar. But it's over, and if the Mets do bring him back, it is going to create a very, very odd and cold relationship between this team and its fans. I don't think that's a dynamic they want to create. Glavine was never fully comfortable here, he has his 300 wins, and will get booed mercelessly if he were a Met in 2008. Why in the world would he want to come back to the Mets next year? Braves or retire makes most sense for Glavine. I don’t think he wants to end his career on 1/3 inning pitched, but he certainly doesn’t want to end his career with us–not anymore. And I have no interest in him doing so.

It was an interesting run with Glavine, and his performance in the ’06 playoffs were stellar. But it’s over, and if the Mets do bring him back, it is going to create a very, very odd and cold relationship between this team and its fans. I don’t think that’s a dynamic they want to create.

]]> By: HobbesKC http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/14/buzz-braves-or-bust-for-tom-glavine/#comment-40148 HobbesKC Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:22:26 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/14/buzz-braves-or-bust-for-tom-glavine/#comment-40148 Oh yeah! Well said! Good research! Yeah Glavine IS a .500 pitcher. (wait what? last 3 years he went 41-28?) But he definitely has a mid 4 ERA! (is that really the league average?) But he walks the ballpark! (say what? who issued more BBs last year? Carlos Zambrano? Tim Lincecum? Jake Peavy???) Such is the nature of the beast. One inning determined whether Glavine would have walked away as a hero or a goat. Shame that we're just going to have to throw away everything else. Oh yeah! Well said! Good research!

Yeah Glavine IS a .500 pitcher. (wait what? last 3 years he went 41-28?)

But he definitely has a mid 4 ERA! (is that really the league average?)

But he walks the ballpark! (say what? who issued more BBs last year? Carlos Zambrano? Tim Lincecum? Jake Peavy???)

Such is the nature of the beast. One inning determined whether Glavine would have walked away as a hero or a goat. Shame that we’re just going to have to throw away everything else.

]]> By: VCarver http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/14/buzz-braves-or-bust-for-tom-glavine/#comment-40133 VCarver Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:12:58 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/14/buzz-braves-or-bust-for-tom-glavine/#comment-40133 In ERA he is league average. In innings as well as quality starts he is above average. And what the heck does "a .500" pitcher mean? Not only are wins a team stat but Glavine was well above .500 the last two years. Having said that I don't want Glavine back because he faded badly down the stretch and he will probably decline next year. I don't want Livan either. They need to stop wasting money on pitchers who are too old and fading or just washed up and start giving Humber and Pelfrey more chances. If they trade one or both of those 2 for a quality established pitcher, fine. But until they do, pencil them in for next year instead of taking on the dregs. In ERA he is league average. In innings as well as quality starts he is above average. And what the heck does “a .500″ pitcher mean? Not only are wins a team stat but Glavine was well above .500 the last two years.

Having said that I don’t want Glavine back because he faded badly down the stretch and he will probably decline next year.

I don’t want Livan either. They need to stop wasting money on pitchers who are too old and fading or just washed up and start giving Humber and Pelfrey more chances. If they trade one or both of those 2 for a quality established pitcher, fine. But until they do, pencil them in for next year instead of taking on the dregs.

]]> By: therealsince86 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/14/buzz-braves-or-bust-for-tom-glavine/#comment-40129 therealsince86 Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:11:22 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/14/buzz-braves-or-bust-for-tom-glavine/#comment-40129 While I agree on the no Glavine part, there is no way that Pelfrey would have the ERA or Innings of Glavine next season. While I agree on the no Glavine part, there is no way that Pelfrey would have the ERA or Innings of Glavine next season.

]]> By: PereztoHeilmantoWagner http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/14/buzz-braves-or-bust-for-tom-glavine/#comment-40112 PereztoHeilmantoWagner Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:57:19 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/14/buzz-braves-or-bust-for-tom-glavine/#comment-40112 Cerrone, I am glad we can debate this. I been wanting to take this argument on with you about Glavine for a LONG time. My stance is this: Glavine is a league average/below average starter. He has marginal stuff and he is a nibbler. So, he is a .500 pitcher with a mid 4 ERA...I would venture to say that Pelfrey COULD likely do the EXACT same thing for WAY LESS money. Glavine stinks. He walks the ballpark, nibbles, gives up way too many hits, etc... Cerrone,

I am glad we can debate this. I been wanting to take this argument on with you about Glavine for a LONG time.

My stance is this: Glavine is a league average/below average starter. He has marginal stuff and he is a nibbler. So, he is a .500 pitcher with a mid 4 ERA…I would venture to say that Pelfrey COULD likely do the EXACT same thing for WAY LESS money. Glavine stinks. He walks the ballpark, nibbles, gives up way too many hits, etc…

]]> By: rd http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/14/buzz-braves-or-bust-for-tom-glavine/#comment-40111 rd Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:54:30 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/14/buzz-braves-or-bust-for-tom-glavine/#comment-40111 Well said! Well said!

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