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According to the Denver Post, free-agent C Yorvit Torrealba is ‘zeroing in’ on a three-year, $15 million offer from the Mets.
…Update…11:10 pm…
However, in the Rocky Mountain News, Tracy Ringolsby reports that, while Torrealba is ‘seeking’ a three-year deal, the Mets have only offered him a two-year deal worth $9 million.
Last week, the News reported that Torrealba had turned down a two-year, $7 million offer from the Rockies.
Today, Ringolsby writes that the Rockies and Marlins have made similar, but less lucrative offers than the Mets, adding…
“The interested teams are all pressuring for a decision on their offers by the end of the week.”
…at this point, i think the tea leaves are pretty easy to read…he can essentially take $1 million or so more per year to play in the biggest city in the world, with a successful team, but split time with Ramon Castro…or, he can take a bit less money, and either play for the last-place Marlins, or remain in Colorado, and be the every-day catcher…or, if the Mets really want him that badly, they can tack on the rumored and desired third year, which i really hope they do not do…
…the question now is, does yorvit really want to play in new york city, or is he, like so many others, just using the Mets to try and pry an extra year or a few more dollars from the Rockies…if this ends up being the case, and torrealba signs elsewhere, where does that leave the Mets…hopefully, it will mean back with Paul Lo Duca, assuming he is still available…
…Update…11:25 pm…
…by the way, i have read all sorts of numbers reported regarding this rumored negotiation, from the three-year, $15 million that i and others mentioned this morning, to two-years, $9 million, to two-years, $10 million…if it is three years guaranteed, i hope he would have signed it, no matter who offered it…therefore, to me, this all suggests that, since he is still unsigned, maybe, the Mets are offering him two years with an option, as incentive, which is just thinking-cap speculation on my part, by the way…
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Ugh… Omar… WHY?
Torrealba is a scrub. Offer him 2/$8. Take it or leave it… we won’t be missing out on much.
100% agree
GO TRADE FOR PIAZZA. BRING HIM BACK OMAR~~~~~~~~~
LET HIM END AS A MET. AND LET HIM PLATOON WITH CASTRO~~~~~~~
DO IT OMAR~~~~~
no way to defend it? are you alright?
we are about to give YORVIT TORREALBA $15 million….the defense rests.
Torreabla for $15 million? QUE???????
Yanks might get AROD and Lowell..Mets to get Torrealba, somethings never change.
which would you rather have 2003 team or 2008 team - enough said who cares who they are as long as the teams better
Hey, 2003 we had Phillips and Wiggy, great times.
don’t forget the second term of shingo!
Shinjo is a Japanese model now, he’s an icon.
Can everyone stop comparing the Yankees and the Mets. Who cares what the Yankees do. They aren’t gaining AROD, they technically never lost him. Lowell is staying with the Sox. The Free Agency signing period just started….relax people. Things will start to fall into place. For all you people who think we can trade some of our prospects for some great young proven players, (Bedard) you’re nuts. Who cares how much money the Mets give someone in a contract. There is no salary cap and it’s not your money. The Torrealba/Castro two headed monster doesn’t sound that bad. Bottom line…….RELAX PEOPLE!! Start complaining in March.
We are entitled to complain as much as we want and whenever we want. That is one of the purposes of this site and with the money we pay as fans we have earned the right to do so. This is going to be an awful postseason. I hope I am wrong but sure looks that way.
Ah, the ever popular: “I pay a lot of money to act like an absolute clown show” line.
You can’t see it, but this is me rolling my eyes…
Expecting a good talented team for the money we pay isnt being a “clown show” as you call it. So your saying just pay and keep our mouths shut? I dont think so. You go right ahead, thats what they want.
That’s what they want. This is all some grand conspiracy to keep the fans calm as Hindu cows.
“We are entitled to complain as much as we want and whenever we want. That is one of the purposes of this site . . .”
Inspiring words indeed.
I miss Wiggy running over catchers.
This just doesn’t make sense. If the Rockies are only offering 2 years $7 million, I don’t see how Omar is offering 3 years, $15 million. Something’s wrong here. Gotta be an option year or something
Mind you, $5 million per year to platoooooon with Castro.
Haha, and the comments get removed, gotta love it!
I don’t blame Matt. Nobody wants to see that same regurgitated crap again and again and again.
Go to Mets.com if you want to cry about that stuff.
Tracy Ringolsby confirms that Yorvit Torrealba wants a three-year deal. He says the Rockies are at two years, $7MM, the Marlins are in the same range, and the Mets are at two years, $9MM. UPDATE: The Denver Post says Torrealba will have a decision Thursday.
MLBTRADERUMORS.COM
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/mlb/article/0,2777,DRMN_23924_5747403,00.html
says castro is signed…..
nice find Krusty.
This just isn’t that big a deal. LoDuca was garbage last year. this won’t be that much of a downgrade. I’m sure that LoDuca would have wanted at least $5mil per year and at least a two year deal. And who knows if he would have been happy only catching about 80-90 games a year? The last thing anyone needs is a pouty LoDuca sitting on the bench. And in the third year of the contract if he really sucks that bad then can get another catcher and move him into a backup role.
I think that because nothing else is happening and we all want something BIG to go down we are getting antsy and focusing on this. Unless they were able to get Posada (wasn’t going to happen) or trade for Salty (wasn’t going to happen) then no catcher they got was going to make that big of a deal.
Now Omar go get some pitching!
loduca is a punk. the guy calls a bad game and he’s old. this is pretty much a wash. what the mets need is pitching
Acording to Gotham Baseball, if Dan Haren is he prize, John Maine is the price. Billy Beane has long coveted John Maine. Speculation is the steep price could expand to include a Milledge and /or Heilman
gotham baseball makes outrageous claims that are never true
That is very true. That site is ridiculous.
Maine and Haren have almost the same service time. I assume Beane would be putting Haren on the block to acquire players who are farther away from arbitration than Maine is. Otherwise what’s the point in trading Haren?
THREE year deal? Fire Minaya now. This is worse than giving a 2 year deal to a steroid offender- either move is a fireable offense in itself.
Torrealba is horse manor- there are 25-30 catchers in MLB better than him. And they are giving him 15 million? What a mickey mouse franchise. So on the same day the Yankees sing ARod the Mets sign Torrealba. Yes, some things never change. Mets are a horribly run organization.
the yankees never signed arod, they just kept him. the yankees havn’t done anything this offseason except losing the manager who’s gotten to the playoffs 12 straight yrs and also had arod opt out during the WS to ruin the red sox WS win
The Yankees are the horribly run organization. They finally made a stand for something and now are completely rescinding from it. To give Arod virtually the same contract he rejected a week ago after all he’s put them through is a joke and shows an organization with no integrity
Very well said
As always — would you mind identifying the “25-30″ catchers you have in mind, what players you expect to give up for them, and (if they’re FAs) what it would cost to sign them?
Your critiques don’t amount to much if you don’t address the “compared to what” question.
I have no idea what the offer is…too many conflicting reports.
Mets.com has 2 years, 10 million.
Rocky Mountain news has 2 years, 9 million
Metsblog and Denver Post has 3 years, 15 million.
I have a feeling they might all be right. 2 years, 9 million deal with a 6 million option (1 million buyout). I can live with that.
Sounds right to me
Could be accurate, but still a bad deal to sign a bad player. Dude can’t hit! That’s still a part of the game, hitting.
Maybe old #10, my boy Duffy Dyer is available. He can hit .250.
Neither can Lo Duca, or Hernandez, or any of the other catchers available. Face it, there’s only a dozen or so catchers in the league today who can hit worth a damn and they are or are going to be paying a premium to keep them. Pudge got a 10+ million option picked up for putting up a .714 OPS last year, which is barely any better then Lo Duca or Torrealba.
Sorry but I don’t think you can call the organization signing a solid definsive catcher to a small contract the bad organization. How about the team paying Arod the same amount they offered before he spurned them and the entire league? When there was no other team willing to pay anything close to it? When they said they refused to negotiate with Scott Boras and now he’s deeply involved in negotiations?
How about we just resign Ramon Castro for 2 yrs/5 million and then sign like Matt Traenor for 2 years/6 million and just go with that, because LoDuca is an absolute piece of garbage (pronounced gar-baj) and Torreable is not much better.
Treanor isn’t a FA.
Traenor
You actually had it right the first time… it’s Treanor.
I’m more pissed about them keeping Castro. The guy breaks down every year. Get a real, reliable backup.
castro had I think the third highest hr per plate appearance or somewhere around there, I think he’s worth keeping around. I agree though that his bad back had really bad timing last year, and his main job was to not be hurt when the other guy was hurt.
He’s also someone that’s often mentioned as an important clubhouse guy, keeping everyone loose.
I’m starting to really warm to the idea of two complementary catchers.
Yorvit makes the most sense for the Mets, that’s why you don’t hear about the other FA C’s. Would you have Omar waste our young guys trying to trade for a better C when we need them to trade for a SP? I don’t think so. Who cares what they pay him. LoDuca’s out, we’re not trading for a C, plua Yorvi’s the youngest FA C. Let’s Go Mets!
two of castro, torrealba, lo duca will be fine considering the catching that is available. the pressing issue this offseason is pitching.
$5m per year is not a big deal. it’s a little more than 4% of the mets current payroll. it’s not going to prevent them from signing or trading for a big ticket item.
I guess everyone thinks it was a coincidence that the Rockies’ young, inexperienced pitchers pitched lights out down the stretch and in the playoffs. Stats aren’t everything and especially at catcher. If there is one player that can influence a game, day in and day out without putting up big numbers, it is the catcher.
I said it before…there might be something we don’t know, and given the alternatives, this move is fine. Plus, it shows what Minaya’s true purpose is…pitching.
This is what I don’t get — they wouldn’t give Bradford $10M for 3 years but they give $15M for 3 years to someone who didn’t put up numbers significantly better than the minor league catcher they let get away in the Rule V draft? And Omar keeps saying it’s all about pitching and you can never have too much of it? It doesn’t compute.
Sample size?
Whose sample size?
Well, Omar made a mistake on Bradford (although it will be interesting to see if Bradford gets through his entire 3-year deal without injuring his back). He admitted as much when he signed Schoeneweis. So maybe we shouldn’t compare every transaction with that one.
And he also made a mistake on Flores — although I can understand that he didn’t expect anyone to make an A-ball player their first Rule V pick. It’s really too bad — we could use Flores.
I don’t think you judge a contract by whether or not a player ever goes on the disabled list. If so, then you’d have to say almost all contracts are bad.
I think you judge them by whether or not most of the years in the contract were good ones where the player performed up to or close to expectations. For me, if two-thirds of a 3 year contract on a reliever are productive, then it’s a good contract.
Look at it this way. I predict every year of Mota’s contract will be bad, and at least 2 out of 3 years of Show’s contract will be bad. So even if they remain healthy the entire time, does that really matter?
With a successful team? As I recall the Rockies went to the World Series while the Mets decided to abort the season prematurely. God I hate almost everything about my fellow NY fans.
We have been spoiled as Met fans with the catcher position for a long time. Gary Carter, Todd Hundley, Mike Piazza, Paul LoDuca. We have always seemed to have very good if not great hitting catchers and now we might have to deal with a typical, bad 8th spot hitting catcher that most teams have. Sucks but true.
Sucks to be cheap.
Krustytheclown…
The Yankees “haven’t done anything this offseason” you say? Well now they are very serious about signing Lowell, on top of everything else.
So thus if they do that they’ll have signed Lowell, Posada, ARod, Rivera (very likely)…
And the Mets will have signed that piece of garbage Yorvit Torrealba.
What a cheap mickey mouse franchise.
Dude, just cause you keep repeating the same childish line doesn’t make it correct or any more funny.
Let the Yankees load up their team with guys who will be over 40 and making over $15 million a year in a few years. Seriously, it’s their perogative. It’s not gonna help them win a World Series though.
How are they going to sign Lowell and ARod? This makes no sense. And even if that is true, let them, because it’s a stupid move.
I love how one of my earlier comments didn’t get posted, but your post referring to Yorvit Torrealba as a “piece of garbage” sneaks through.
I think it’s time to upgrade that software, Matt.
Isn’t the fact that Yorvit is a terrible baseball player a minor problem with this signing? He isn’t that young, either, so he isn’t going to get much better.
I’m not entirely sure how much a skill “calling a game” is. Who is bad at that, exactly? Maybe Barrett? Maybe? Was Hundley or Piazza or Castro or Pratt or any Met you can think of? I can’t. I think there may be differences, but I think they’re marginal.
Here’s what I do know -
He’ll probably throw out 30-35% of the runners…if he’s healthy.
His best year for the Mets is likely to be something like .240/.305/.375. That’s absolutely horrible. He may be worse than that. That’s a player you think about releasing when he gets expensive, not signing him to a multi-year contract.
There are minor leaguers that can probably replicate his production for a fraction of the cost.
I’m also worried that if Yorvit makes $5m/yr and Castro makes half that, Yorvit will receive twice the playing time Ramon does.
Pass, Omar. Pass.
Piazza was a great receiver. He called an excellent game and was great at blocking balls and blocking the plate. If Piazza would have been even mediocre at throwing guys out there would be zero argument about him being the best catcher ever.
LoDuca calls a terrible game. It’s so predictable.
Off the top of my head, Castro calls a terrible game. One of the main reasons I don’t see him getting near the playing time that people here are projecting.
I remember one incident specifically where he was catching Mota and the very first pitch to a batter he calls a changeup that of course gets hit for a Home Run. Hello? What exactly are you changing up off of there? Anybody can hit a ball that sails through the zone at 80 mph, it’s only effective when you show them something much faster first. Hence why it’s called a Change-up.
I guess what you’re saying is that a changeup should never be thrown on the first pitch to a batter.
Try watching Johan Santana sometime. Or Trevor Hoffman.
Yorvit, Yorvit, Yorvit… guess that’s the muffled sound of Mets ownership/management choking.
I would rather have Sandy Alomar Jr.
Only a few people have mentioned this, and I think most of you guys are missing the bigger picture here.
The FA Catcher crop is SMALL, and the only way to bolster that position would be to trade away our young prospects. Omar needs those chips to land PITCHING.
All Torrealba will cost us money, and a small amount at that. This is EXACTLY what Omar should be doing. If he can easily and cheaply (meaning no prospects) fill the hole at catcher and resign Castillo, we can focus on the BP and SP.
Omar, i applaud you. Make us proud!
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