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According to the Baltimore Sun, citing a ‘club 
source,’ in addition to having interest in acquiring LHP Erik Bedard, the Mets have also expressed interest in C Ramon Hernandez, who will cost ‘a high-end prospect.’
…which is obviously why we are being inundated with Yorvit Torrealba rumors, and why it makes zero sense to trade for a catcher, at the same time the Mets are in dire need of trading for a pitcher…to part with a high-end prospect to get hernandez would be foolish…
By the way, the Sun also writes that the O’s intend to discuss a long-term contract with Bedard, who is eligible for free agency after 2009, before realistically exploring the trade market.
According to the report, while the Mets, Yankees and Angels have all expressed recent interest in trading for Bedard, the Dodgers are said to have been the most aggressive, with players such as Matt Kemp, Jonathan Broxton and Clayton Kershaw having all been discussed.
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hey guys, trachsel AND zambrabo are available!
The sad thing is, one of either Trachsel, Zambrano, and Benson will wind up having a good season at league minimum for some other team.
Are you saying you regret their absence from the Mets?
IF Bedard is seriously and truly available, all of our prospects should be aimed to get him. Who the hell cares about Ramon Hernandez at this point? We can have Torrealba or Lo Duca for cash. Why is there even a rumor of interest in Ramon?
I think it all comes back to The Jacket, who worked with Ramon in Oakland and liked him as a receiver. But I agree, no reason to waste prospects on a position we can fill for cash.
I see absolutley no problem with trading gomez & pelfrey for those two, the problem is the Mets would probably have to throw in more to get that done..They’d probably ask for someone like Mulvey or Muniz also because they are trying to rebuild.
But Bedard is someone that the Mets could REALLY use.
They would probably want Milledge instead of Gomez.
Wrong. Any deal for Bedard would have to include our best prospect and much more. Why does anyone think Pelfrey and Gomez are worth anything? These two did not show any signs of greatness while playing with the Mets, their value is very low.
That is why a deal for Bedard will most likely include some salary dumping by the O’s. Bedard by himself is worth a lot. But if the team is willing to take on some bad contracts then maybe not so much.
I posted this in one of the Torrealba threads, and it makes sense here…
“Only a few people have mentioned this, and I think a lot of you guys are missing the bigger picture here.
The FA Catcher crop is SMALL, and the only way to bolster that position would be to trade away our young prospects. Omar needs those chips to land PITCHING.
All Torrealba will cost us money, and a small amount at that. This is EXACTLY what Omar should be doing. If he can easily and cheaply (meaning no prospects) fill the hole at catcher and resign Castillo, we can focus on the BP and SP.
Omar, i applaud you. Make us proud!”
Signing Torrealba will allow us greater leverage with out prospects to land someone of Bedards caliber. For all the gried Omar gets, I hope he pulls this deal off, it would vindicate him from his past mistakes, IMO at least….
This is the deal I would like the Mets to make. Bedard is nasty and perfect for us. I see Hernandez as a useful, Lowell-type-salary dump that we take on to help entice the trade of Bedard. Considering the salary we would take back, Ramon certainly shouldn’t cost us a high prosect. This is the only scenario that I would endorse the Mets trading for a catcher. Otherwise, we don’t have the chips to spare. Just sign Yorvit (but certainly not for 5 years) or LoDuca if this type scenario doesn’t pan out. That way it costs only money.
Matt Cerrone- Who do you personally want as a SP? Who would be your # 1 target? You listen to our banter every day, but who do you think the Mets should focus on and try to trade for?
Is it possible that all the Yorvit buzz was planted to drive the price down for Ramon Hernandez?
I sure hope so.
Bedard would be great, I am guessing he and Hernandez would cost at least Milledge, Pelfrey and Heilman. Would you rather do the following? I know you can’t trust these guys but…..
“Our friends at Gotham Baseball say if the Mets were to acquire Dan Haren, the package would start with Billy Beane favorite John Maine. Mark Healey figures Lastings Milledge and Aaron Heilman would have to go also. ”
Would you trade Maine, Milledge and Heilman for Haren and a lower position player such as their young backup catcher Bowen?
Who would you rather have Maine and Bedard or Haren and Pelfrey?
Maine is a potential ace and an excellent presence on the Mets. I don’t see why the Mets would trade him for Haren (or any other pitcher other than Santana maybe). It would still leave a hole in the starting rotation that would have to be filled.
Maine and Bedard.
If Bedard is made available, we will not have the pospects the others will put up to get him. The dodgers alone have a better core to throw at the O’s. Every team out there is waiting for one of these stud pitchers to officially get put on the market so they can throw a package of prospects at them. At this time the Mets do not have what the Yanks, Sox, Dodgers all have. The GM making the deal has got to be thinking “Gee Omar thats a nice package but I can get better talent with (insert team here)”
But one can hope that Omar “The Met Maker” can pull off a deal!
The Baltimore Sun also reported that the Dodgers, while having a great crop of prospects, might spend them on Cabrera. I’m hopeing thats the case.
But all of these rumors further emphasize the point that we need to offer Glavine Arbitration so we can (hopefully) get that draft pick!!!!
That’s exactly why I hope the Dodgers land Cabrera. This would eliminate the contender with the best prospects from the field.Whatever they give up to get Cabrera will leave them without the needed chips to land Bedard. Go Dodgers!
I’m not a big fan of Ramon Hernandez… I love Bedard… I think he’s a terrific pitcher…
I would not trade Maine and Milledge (and Heilman) for just Haren. That way, we are creating three holes while filing just one. The idea of us is to keep Maine and Perez and ADD a front-line starter to them. I’d be willing to give them a combo of prospects (and Heilman) certainly, but I think it’s essential that we hang on to Maine, and to a slightly lesser extent, Perez.
Maybe I’m the only one… But I don’t want to trade Milledge…I think we’re going to need him this year, in either right field or left (when inevitably Alou gets hurt)…What is the situation with RF anyway..am I missing something??
I suppose if the Mets trade Milldege – and it should only be as part of a package for a serious pitching upgrade – they would go after Fukudome for RF, which only costs them money.
Or they could so the Reds a favor and trade with them with what we have left so they could dump salary or either Dunn or Griffey
As far as prospects go, yes, the Dodgers and Yankees have better than we do… But think about it this way… Those two teams are going to acquire either Santana for those prospects or Miguel Cabrera for those prospects…
So, those teams won’t have those prospects forever… They are chips for the bigger deal… And a lot of bigger deals maight come along very soon…
I think a package of Milledge, Heilman and one of Pelfrey/Humber/Mulvey/Guerra might get Bedard…
I would hope it gets Bedard and someone else – not necessarily Hernandez, maybe a decent releiver (like that Bradford guy).
milledge humber pelfrey gomez for bedard and hernandez. sign an outfielder to replace milledge chavez is the 4th OFer. this may seem like alot but honestly bedard is an unbelievable talent and would be an instant cy young candidate, pelfrey and humber arent quite there and may never get there, and milledge i love him but his numbers can be replaced.
Do you think it is out of the realm of possibility that the Mets could at least get the O’s to throw in a couple of decent AA prospects for that package?
honestly anything else at that point is gravy, they can give us the hot dog guy from their single A team for all i care.
this is encouraging
The o’s will certainly try to retain Bedard, and any prospect for a guy who has been a bust is a joke, If the o’s are serious about moving Hernandez they best be happy with a player to be named and some cash to help…haha sign yorvit and castro and call it good
Here is an Omar type move that I think would be great. We are looking for an innings eater for the back of the rotation (Livan). How about roll the dice on someone that can give you the same results and still has an upside.
Gomez, Humber and Heilman for
Hernadez, Cabrerra and Bradford.
Cabrerra pitched 204 innings last year. Granted his ERA was over 5 and he walks a lot of batters but getting him out of the AL East and having Peterson work with him you could at worst get the same stats as Livan.
Omar loves to trade for the power pitchers and he fits the description.
I know the O’s may still be high on Cabrerra but they would be shedding 25 million over the next two years and gaining 3 players under their control.
I can’t judge the market, is that too much to give up? Not enough? What if they threw in another salary dump of Huff instead of Bradford? He would be a great back up RF and 1st baseman.
Cabrerra is a guy who get s coaches and managers fired. He has a million dollar arm and ten cent head. No control, bad -inconsistent mechanics. Shows flashes of awesome stuff and then stinks. NOOOOOOO!
It’s good to hear the mets are finally looking in the right direction for Bedard. I’d give them Heilman, Pelfrey, Milledge, and Gomez (and any other prospect they wanted)and take their crappy contracts with Hernandez and Mora. That’s how good Bedard is.
You aren’t giving up enough for what you might be getting in return…
we already have a daniel cabrera his name is oliver perez. but with that being said i do think bedard is being dangled as bait to get a teams interested then shifting their focus to cabrera.
Livan makes much more sense for us, we need someone whos going to show up and compete every start, Livan will put up a better year at shea then glavine every has, promise you, Daniel Cabrera has a great arm, but hes a thrower, not a pitcher, i’m done with projects at shea stadium, we have a couple already
Just thought I would throw these numbers at you.
Innings:
Livan 204
Cabrerra 204
WHIP:
Livan 1.60
Cabrerra 1.54
K/9
Livan 3.96
Cabrerra 7.31
K/BB
Livan 1.14
Cabrerra 1.54
BAA
Livan .308
Cabrerra .265
HR
Livan 34
Cabrerra 25
Ok so neither are Ace’s but the most defining stats.
Salary
Livan 8-10 Million
Cabrerra less than 2 Million
Age
Livan 35????
Cabrerra 26
OK, Cabrera may give up less hits and home runs than Livan and strike more people out, but the problem is that Cabrera always puts people on base (108BB). So when he does give up those hits and home runs, it’s usually more damaging than Livan because the home runs are usually 3-run shots. And Livan makes the hitters put the ball in play, which results in a lot of hits, but also can result in a lot of outs. Even hard hit balls can be hit right at somebody. When you have no control and walk people left and right, you are usually doomed.
I could understand that point if not for the fact that the WHIP still favors Cabrerra. Fact is that Livan puts more people on base than Cabrerra.
In 2007 he put more people on base, fine. But over the long haul, guys like Cabrera typically don’t work out as well as Livan. There’s a reason Livan has been in the league forever and still has a job and still throws 200-220 innings every year. He gets out of jams and keeps his team in games when he needs to. Look, Cabrera may have great stuff and beats out Livan in most statistics, but the guy has a career 4.99 ERA. For a # 5 starter, I’d rather have consistency instead of another project which may or may not work out. Suppose he doesn’t work out and pitches to a 6 ERA and get sent to AAA? Then what, another Brian Lawrence fiasco? I’d prefer Livan’s consistent mediocrity instead of the thought of having to endure another Brian Lawrence type being called up to fill in.
I guess I can see your point, but under my current trade proposal we would still have Pelfrey and still would have the money to sign Silva.
Yeah, its a gamble that could work out or fail miserably. It depends if it’s worth it to take that gamble. Coming off 2007 and seeing what happened at the end when the bullpen imploded and Brian Lawrence lost those key starts (and was pulled in the 3rd or 4th innings no less), it’s still fresh enough in my mind that I would rather have probable consistency (even though it’s mediocre) as opposed to unpredictability with a possibility of upside.
Any package in any trade is contingent on the guy being essentially a sign and trade. Meaning if we are dumping our best prospects (Milledge and Pelfrey and Humber and Gomez or some combination of them for a starter). the guy coming back must be signed. If not….a much different price is in order.
I do not want Santana or Peavy or Willis or Bedard if they can walk after the conclusion of next season. I’d want them but for lesser prospects. Now if the get the pitcher signed for another 5 years …..then do the deal (not Willis though I just tossed him in there but I am not sure he is good enough to warrant our prospects any more)
I’d love Cabrera on this team, his stuff is electric…Bedard is nasty, but it would depend on what we have to give up. The guy I heard that really piqued my interest is Matt Garza from the Twins.
What would really be interesting is that we have the prospects not to get Peavy or Bedard or Santana but we do have enough to get Garza and Cabrerra. Think about that for your 4 and 5. It might be rough next year but that’s a ton of potential. Those are no Pelfrey and Humber.
I would love to see either Matt Garza or Kevin Slowey along with Daniel Cabrera on the Mets. And let me tell you this … don’t be surprised if we already have our ace on the roster, his name is Oliver Perez.
I agree to an extent, people here seem to underestimate the HUGE value and potential Ollie and Johnny Maine are to us. Those two guys have GREAT stuff and when fully developed will be dominate. Look at the progress they made from 2006-2007. They obviously still need work, but they are going to be there for us. Any trade or even discussions on moving them is stupid. They will be the front of the rotation before long.
i agree i love maine and perez, if they can get the gas tanks up to 200 IP for the season that would be a dream come true. i think peterson needs to relax on maine with the idea of always keeping the ball down. hes a fastball strike out pitcher he needs to utilize the whole zone. i was at his last start and i think alot of his success came from the fact that he was lettin a couple of those heaters fly high in the zone and changing the eye level of the hitters.
Yep, and as we’ve talked about before, he should let Pelfrey let it fly at 96-97 MPH instead of the 90-91MPH sinkerballs he makes him throw.