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In a recent chat for ESPN.com, Keith Law was asked if the Twins would accept Lastings Milledge in exchange for Matt Garza, to which Law responded…
“The Twins want Carlos Gomez. If I’m Omar Minaya, I do that deal.”
Before joining ESPN, Law spent four years with the Blue Jays as a Special Assistant to the General Manager.
Joe Christensen of the Minneapolis Star Tribune recently reported that the Twins are targeting young position players like B.J. Upton and Delmon Young of the Devil Rays, as well as Gomez in an effort to bolster their offense.
Entering last season, Baseball America ranked Garza as Minnesota’s best overall prospect, writing…
“No one expected Garza to be this good this fast, not even the Twins…His ceiling is all that’s in question…calling him a No. 2 starter behind Johan Santana almost seems conservative.”
In 16 starts for the Twins last season, following a mid-season call up, the 23–year-old Garza was just 5–7, with a 3.69 ERA while striking out 67 batters through 133 innings pitched.
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I’d make that trade…
If you could do that and keep all of your other pitching (and other) prospects, I’d say go for it… Me thinks that Minny would probably want someone else back, no?
I’ve got the car running and the map out…
ill spot the gas.
Map? I’ll do it one better, GPS. Thatt way, there’s zero chance Gomez gets lost.
Gomez for Garza? Straight up? In a heartbeat.
Anyone who thinks Garza only projects as a #3 is kidding thesmelves – he only projects as a three if he’s behind Santana and a healthy Liriano. Garza and Gallardo were the two top pitching prospects in all of baseball going into last year. There’s a better than 50-50 shot he could be our #1 in 2008.
No deal..if they want Gomez so bad..just wait and see what happens w/Santana..I wouldnt mind a Maine,Gomez, Heilman,Gotay, Mulvey or Pelf 4 Santana.. if he is locked up for 8-10 years. I like Maine but he can be replaced if Santana is our #1
Really?? You want to send half of our prospects to the Twins for one guy who we can probably sign next off season? Wow….thank god you aren’t the GM.
Yes I would if it is Santana….thank God you’re not the GM either….Garza is no better then gining Pelfrey another shot and holding onto Gomez.
granted ive never seen garza pitch but his scouting report says he has 4 pitches so even if thats embellished and he actually has 2.5 – 3 pitches its still more than pelfreys 1-1.5 pitches.
I agree he has good stuff…but if we need to trade for a pitcher I would rather it be a #1 ..not a probable #3-4 guy……I say wait til the winter meetings end , then trade for the best pitcher we can get.
Yes, you are absolutely right that we need a #1 more so then a #3-4. However, if we can move small pieces for Garza (who is more valuable then Pelfrey), then in turn spin him into a Peavy/Oswalt type, then why not do it?
exactly, it would be easier to pry a good starter away with pitching prospects rather than position prospects.
8-10 years–for a pitcher?
Definitely make the trade. Always trade a position player for pitching (assuming it’s comparative talent).
Actually, this is totally wrong.
Assuming it is comparative talent, you should always trade for the position player.
If you were starting a team tomorrow, would you draft Jake Peavy over David Wright?
If this is the case, why haven’t we traded Reyes for a stud?
That’s different. He’s referring to prospects, and he’s totally right.
I still thing it’s wrong (within the proper context.)
Ever hear the phrase: “There is no such thing as a pitching prospect?” Hitters are much easier to project than pitchers.
Look at a guy like Joba, came out of nowhere. Then, someone like a Ben McDonald/ Todd Van Poppel/ Kris Benson never lives up to their billing.
You trade Gomez for Garza because we have Milledge and F-Mart, and because we have a ridiculous payroll and can just sign a corner OF any time we want to.
But in a vacuum, you don’t do this deal. You trade Gomez in a deal for a Beckett or a Haren, not for a guy who may or may not make it.
That’s crazy. Garza has proven much more than Gomez has in the majors. Sure, you wouldn’t trade Gomez for a high school pitcher, but for a guy who already has solid season under his belt you do the deal in a heartbeat. You always should take pitchers over hitters if the risk is the same, and Garza is less risky than Gomez
I said you make the trade. My comments were refuting a faulty theory.
And for the record, Garza is more talented than Gomez, so obviously, you make this deal.
No, you said in a vacuum you don’t make the deal. In a vacuum you’re still considering talent, if not what else are you considering? You’re a flip-flopper. In a vacuum, you make this trade in a heartbeat.
I still disagree. Hitters>pitchers always if the risk is the same and the talent is even.
It really depends on how you evaluate Gomez. Personally, I don’t think that highly of him, but Omar does.
So according to my evaluation of him, yes, you trade him, within the Mets context or in a vacuum.
But, if Omar is right about Gomez, then you only trade him because the Mets are deep in the OF, but in a vacuum you wouldn’t.
Is that better?
I still disagree. If the risk is the same and talent is even you ALWAYS take the pitcher. Pitchers with that kind of talent are much rarer than hitters, and pitching wins games, not hitting. If you have one great starter, your chances to win as a team are much better than a team with one star outfielder.
Agree to disagree on that, but still agree that if this trade is available you’ve gotta take it.
Ok, so if for some reason MLB went WWE and all the players went into a pool, starting from scratch, who do you take #1? Me, I’m building my team around a stud young hitter, not Peavy or Santana.
Position players play every single day, starters only go once every 5 days. Sure, you’re chances of winning that particular game he pitches increase dramatically, but the hitter helps you win every single day. A guy like Johan gets what, 30 starts a year? Where David Wright played in 160 games last season.
Everything being equal, do you trade Pujols, ARod, Wright, Reyes, or Cabrera straight up for Santana? I don’t think so.
But yes, if this deal is on the table, you go for it.
One more thing. Look at San Diego. They had TWO great pitchers on that staff. They didn’t even make the playoffs, losing out to the Rockies, with their rotation filled with a bunch of no-names.
Like I said, agree to disagree. Personally, if I was in a position where I could get a top pitcher, I would take the pitcher first. There are at least 30 elite hitters out there right now. There are 15 or less true aces. I would take the elite pitcher first, knowing that I could fill the rest of my team with solid hitters. Theres a much larger gap between an ace and a solid pitcher than between an elite hitter and a solid hitter.
If Reyes and Wright didn’t have so much marketing value to the team, I would agree. For instance, if Lastings Milledge hits .320, 30HR, 100RBI next year, you are more apt to turn him into a stud pitcher like Peavy than you are Reyes or Wright. Especially because of the position Reyes plays. Having a great shortstop is such an edge. Not easy to find.
I have to believe that if this deal was made available, it would be done…but we have to know it’s not that simple.
I would think Gomez and a B-level pitching prospect would get it done. But, it’s not that simple.
Boy would I love to see Garza here, with Pedro, Maine, Perez & El Duque…that’s a GOOD starting 5.
Garza prob has much more value to other teams than Gomez does… why not trade Gomez for Garza… then turn around and trade Garza and Milledge for Oswalt, Sabathia, Bedard or Haren
what kind of velocity and stuff does garza have?
From the same Keith Law chat: “Garza is the stuff guy and Slowey is the control guy.”
94, 95, 96, 97 with a nice 76 mph curve anf 84 mph change i think…just go to mlb.com type in garza goto his player bio and check out his highlights…matched sabathia with 11 k’s…this kid could dominate the nl…id do gomez and humber for him i think.
And you keep all the rest of your prospects.
This is exactly the kind of move the Mets need to be making.
Look, we’re not getting an ace without trading away our entire farm system. Even though, it’s still unlikely. The realistic solution at this point is to sign an innings eater (Silva, Livan, we just need them to be servicable and better than Lima/Lawrence/Vargas) and make this sort of prospect for prospect trade that gives us a solid young pitcher who may just come into his own next year. This would be a good move.
What does Garza throw? I have never heard of him or seen him pitch. Is he RH, LH, throws heat, commands 4 pitches? What makes him a dynamite prospect?
Garza is a right handed pitcher. I have seen him pitch the last two seasons. I actually drafted him for my fantasy team. Minnesota has a knack for developing good young pitching. I was shocked when he didn’t start the season in the big leagues (beat out by Silva, oddly enough). Still, he has electric stuff and I would do a Gomez for Garza deal in a heartbeat.
Also, I have a tendency to listen to the Schmoozer on the FAN on his daily 6:40 (after Mike and the Dog) – 6:55 (Devils or Nets Pre-Game) spot and heard a Twinkies fan call him talking about Garza…last year. He is a huge prospect for them. I make that deal and run. Gomez is going to be a fine ballplayer, but this is a potential ace.
“make that deal and run’ is right on, cuz this deal would be some degree of larceny.
I agree. We need to go into this year giving youngsters a shot (i.e. give Pelfrey a chance for a full season. I think he will surprise people). Play Milledge and who knows…maybe even see F-Mart if he does what we think he can do in AA and AAA. Get these guys ready for 2009…that’s when we’ll get our true ace via free agency…Santana/Sabathia/Peavy?
I’m open to trading just about anyone if the return value is high enough. I too think Pelf will be solid next year, and that Millz will be fine (or better), but if those guys have to go for someone of Johan’s caliber…well, thanks guys, enjoy the snowy fields of Minny!
it’s all about upside
yeah that twins fan is roger from new haven. he knows the twins inside and out. garza is a stud and has sick minor league numbers. to the poster above, he said he is no better than pelfrey obviously hasn’t paid attention.
this is the deal you make without even thinking. that said, i doubt this is a straight up deal.
Roger from New Haven haha…speaking of callers, I heard Jerome from Manhattan for the first time in years the other night. Gotta say, he has toned it down a bit. I want the old Jerome back!
I’m pretty sure his cardiologist put old Jerome away forever.
Garza pitched 83 innings last year in 15 starts.
67K’s, 32BB’s
Straight up?
I do it yesterday!
Throws low to mid 90’s fastball. Clocked as high as 96.
Has a four pitch repetoire: fastball, curve, slider, changeup.
6′4 195 pounds, just turned 24.
it’s things like this, NOT pulling the trigger, that make me quesiton Omar…the moves he DOESNT make puzzles me more than the ones he does
Nobody knows whether the Twins would agree to trade Garza for Gomez straight up. I seriously doubt that they would. I’m sure we would have to include more.
that said, i think we can totally make this happen if they really do want gomez.
gomez + another decent prospect (mulvey?), maybe one additional player
Throw in Carp, or an equivelent level prospect to give them some extra body count.
dude, this is pure speculation, it’s not a deal on the table. you can’t question Omar when we’re talking pure fantasy right now
That said, I think if that deal did come up, Omar WOULD pull the trigger on that. I would
It’s responses like yours that me me question how some people can’t distinguish fiction from reality.
This trade is purely hypothetical – you can’t blame Omar for not making a trade that was never available.
I’d like to make that trade, and then follow it up with a Garza, Heilman, and Mulvey package for Dan Haren.
Stop it. If we get Garza YOU DO NOT TRADE HIM. If we could get him he would be our Bedard, Peavy, Haren, etc.
They could still land Haren without dealing Garza.
Actually Garza is a guy who gives you a much better shot at getting Haren than Pelfrey, Humber, or Mulvey could. If Gomez was all it would take to pull a trade for Garza then I’m sure he’d do it.
No kidding Garza gives you a better shot at getting Haren. That’s why I wouldn’t want to deal him.
Garza would become our own Bedard/Peavy/Haren.
I think your theory would work better if Haren was a 35 year old pitcher. But he’s only 27 and has thrown 217 plus innings each of the last 3 years with a 1.22 WHIP as well. Haren is a definite stud.
from twins.scout.com
Vital Statistics:
Name: Matt Garza
Position: Starting Pitcher
DOB: November 11, 1983
Height: 6′4′’
Weight: 190
Bats: Right
Throws: Right
The Twins selected Matt Garza as their first round pick during the 2005 June Draft, and he appears to be a great selection. Out of Fresno State, Garza showed the ability to dominate in his first season of professional baseball, and should once again be toeing the rubber for the Beloit Snappers in 2005. Very mature for his age, Garza should move rapidly through the Twins farm system in 2006.
Garza’s collegiate career got off to a slow start for Fresno State, as he looked overmatched as a freshman. He posted only one win, against six losses, and had a 9.55 earned run average. Due to his makeup, Garza overcame eye surgery and naysayers, to turn himself into one of the better pitchers in college baseball over his last two seasons. He is also the kind of kid that knows about responsibility, being a young father and husband.
He began his professional career with the Elizabethton Twins, and quickly showed he did not belong in the Appalachian League. He made four starts for the Twins, and showed that he was ready for the next level. In his four starts, Garza went 1-1, posted a 3.65 earned run average, and struck out 25 batters in 20 innings of work.
After his call-up to Beloit of the Midwest League, Garza continued to impress, joining some of the best prospects in the organization in Beloit’s starting rotation.
He started ten games for the Snappers during the 2005 season, and again finished with an ERA well below 4.00. He also struck out better than a batter per inning, and finished the year as then tenth best prospect in the Midwest League. In 56 innings of work, Garza struck out 64 batters, en-route to winning three games.
He will be closely watched this season, as the Twins may move him up fast if he gets out to a fast start. Look for him to anchor the Beloit pitching staff at the beginning of the year.
Repertoire: Fastball, Slider, Curveball, Changeup
Fastball. Garza showed an electric fastball during the 2005 season, as he continued to hit high digits even after an entire season of college baseball. His heater sits in the low to mid 90s, and it has been clocked as high as 96 miles per hour. As is not the case with his other pitches, Garza relies on his fastball, and has confidence in it when he throws it. It is one of the better fastballs in the organization, and it will once again cause hitters fits in 2006.
Other Pitches.Garza has a nice assortment of breaking stuff, but his main problem is a reluctance to rely on them in crucial situations. Due to this, he relies on his fastball too much, and than will get him into trouble as he goes higher and higher through the system. Still, his slider is a good one, being clocked in the mid 80s, and his changeup is showing the potential to be a solid pitch in his arsenal. Add those pitches to a high 70s curveball, and you have the makings of a pretty lethal repertoire.
Pitching.If there is one thing that the scouts would change about Garza, it is his reluctance to trust his pitches. However, he is the consummate professional, who is one of the hardest workers in the entire Twins organization. He wants to succeed, and it is because of that that he will. He is also a bulldog on the mound, as he tries to get the very best out of himself with every start. He is the kind of kid that knows what kind of opportunity he has, and he goes out there every day to prove to the Minnesota Twins that they made the right choice by making him a first round selection.
Projection. Garza projects as a starting pitcher, and that is exactly where the Twins like him. He has tremendous stamina, and once he uses his entire arsenal, will have one of the better repertoires in the farm system. He also looked sharp in his Major League camp start during Spring Training, which had a lot of Twins’ brass excited about the future. He appeared in four games this spring for the Twins, and finished with a 1.23 earned run average.
ETA. 2008. Garza is the kind of prospect that could move very quickly through the organization, so and estimated time of arrival is hard to gauge. He will be 22 when the season opens, so he shouldn’t spend too much time in Low-A ball. He should make it to Fort Myers relatively early this season, and could see some time in Double-A ball if the cards fall a certain way. I believe the safe play is a 2008 arrival, where he’ll only be 24 years old, and he’ll have three years of Minor League ball under his
This is excellent. Thanks for finding and posting this.
Seriously… Thanks for the post.
Sounds like a very nice pitcher and possibly worhty of a Carlos Gomez
yeah, great info genius, thanks
(if that reads as sarcasm, it’s not at all)
“the 23–year-old Garza was just 5–7, with a 3.69 ERA while striking out 67 batters through 133 innings pitched”
I didn’t like the sound of 67 k’s in 133 innings, so i went to look at his minor league record to see if he k’d guys there.
matt, i think you have his stats wrong.
he did k 67 in 2007, but in only 83 innings.
he has 133 ML innings in 2006 & 2007 combined with 105 k’s.
BTW, he has 338 k’s in 303.1 minor league innings.
I don’t believe there are any True Aces available for trade. At least not without giving back a starter such as Maine which, to my mind, is a deal buster.
Possibly the two best moves Omar has made are getting Oliver Perez and John Maine. These are the type of moves he should concentrate on. Young, unproven starters with high upside. Get as many of them as you can. Trade position players to get them.
I officially sign off on this deal. Matt, you can pass my endorsement on to Omar. :-)
honestly youll have to give up more than gomez but if hes the center piece and you dont lose say milledge or even pelfrey you HAVE to do this trade. to me you trade young position players for young pitching every day of the week and twice on sunday. im sure its too good to be true though.
Garza is a good prospect… If all it takes it Gomez and a B prospect, I’d do it…
bigchart333 – i’m pretty sure these more like speculations from Law than an actual trade offer. Ya never know, but nowhere in the post does it say that the twins made that offer, just that “the twins want gomez” and that if Law was Minaya he would “make that deal”. That doesnt automatically mean that the deal has been offered.
That said, if you could do this without trading pelfrey, milledge, humber, fernado martinez, mulvey, heilman etc. would you then still go and try to trade for another guy like haren, using milledge pelfrey and heilman as bate, and figuring you can find someone to fill the RF hole (el duque would go to the pen to help fill that hole), or would you say i’m happy with pedro garza maine perez and duque/pelfrey and ive got milledge in RF – all is well ?
i’m curious what people think – not that it really matters unless a trade like this actually went through (which i doubt – twins may want gomez, but if we’re so quick to take the trade then it will probably take more)
I’d do it for a Haren type in a second. you can always find an outfielder of milledge’s caliber and I like milledge.
i tend to just write something QUICK as not to take up a lot of time/space…
im not saying that this IS what’s going down, however, if this is what will get talks open, and omar passes cuz he loves Gomez so much, that’s what makes me scratch my head.
It was pretty well documented at the trade deadline that all omar had to do was include gomez with humber to the nats for Chad Cordero, and he passed. I woulda done that, and i let it be known back then why.
I am VERY level headed, i always look at things as a whole (like if a FA doesnt sign with us, instead of blaming the MEts, maybe the player just DIDNT wanan play in NY)…so i see what you’re saying, but im just talking tip of the iceberg here.
As for your idea, i’d be happy with just garza, i really would. But if there’s a way to get bedard or haren, u gotta do that as well.
Timeout. You wanted to trade Humber AND Gomez for Chad Cordero? Seriously?
I am truly flabbergasted.
it sounds like I’d want to put my stock in garza rather than sending him off in a bundle for Haren. Isn’t Haren injury prone?
That said, this deal sounds too good to be true, unless of course Garza has an undisclosed injury.
No, That’s Rich Harden with the history of injuries on the A’s
I love when someoen outside of both organizations states as fact that a team will take a certain player for another.
Funny moment last night. I had on SNY and they were talking to Ken Rosenthal and the screen flaxhed “Baseball Insider”, my wife asks what a baseball insider is as he’s talking about Mariano wanting a 4th year and how Rosenthal thinks it is because he is a “proud man”. I had to crack up because she says “why does it take an insider to report what is all over the news?” These guys are such clowns at this time of year. He pops up again and Chris Cotter is asking him about ARod and he says he thinks Boras is involved in the contract negotiations at some level and my wife (who by the way is a very successful professional) just goes “ya think?” Classic.
Professional what?? LOL jk jk
Easy…didn’t want to get into details.
HAHA ..u are on of the cool posters in here Achilles, glad u can take a joke….my man.
Sounds like a good deal….a little TOO good
If the Twins will Pony up garza for Gomez, Omar has to do that deal yesterday.
Might lock up the rotation and still have valuable back ups like Humber if the need arises, and they keep their starting RF.
a true no brainer, and dealing from strengths to fill weaknesses on both sides.
Much better than the 10 for 1 fantasy trade prosposals for an Ace.
Like others have said, there may be more to this. But, as other have also noted, if this is an option, Omar needs to lock this up ASAP. Hopefully with catcher out the way he can get down to talking trade.
Think about it. If he dealt Gomez (and another prospect) for Garza, he could still get a front end guy. Milledge should be very attractive to teams that miss out on Rowand, Hunter, and Jones.
yeah, I have to believe that the Twins would only move Garza for a more accomplished young outfielder (BJ Upton or another one of the big Tampa bay youngsters.) I would think that they would only give up Slowey or Boof for Gomez, and I’m not sure if those guys are that much better then Silva/Hernandez etc. Obviously, if it’s Garza for Gomez we’d have to do that…
Tampa would be dumb to trade Upton for Garza.
No team is going to trade their sure thing position prospects for pitching prospects. They’re only going trade those kind of players for already established pitchers like Beckett.
didn’t say Tampa Bay would do it, my point is that this is the type of player that Minnesota would hold out for. And I would think that the Twins would view Garza as a sure thing…
The Twins can view him however they want to, but he still isn’t a sure thing until he actually does it.
I just don’t see a team giving up a blue chip position guy for a guy like Garza rather than taking that chip and trying to get an established pitcher.
Liriano and Garza are their future. I can’t imagine the Twins parting with him for just Gomez.
If Garza is a potential #2 or #3, then there’s no way he’s available at such a cheap price.
It makes sense though. Twins let Hunter walk and sign Santana to a big extension. Gomez replaces Hunter. Their rotation would be: Johan, Liriano, Boof, and Slowey,,, that’s pretty damn good.
Minny can’t or at lest won’t afford Santana, It would be 30% of their entire payroll.
Sure they can afford him, they’re getting a new stadium and their owner is loaded. I’ve read a few times that the Twins can keep whomever they want. What players have left the Twins that were so good? It’s not like they’re the A’s.
but isn’t their owner a renowned cheapskate? I thought he was one of the reasons that MLB had them as one of the teams to go in contraction talks a while ago?
Like I said, what players have they lost that has crippled the franchise?
I seriously doubt they would contract the Twins… this was probably a plot to get a new stadium.
Side note. I cannot believe their new stadium doesn’t have a dome.
I don’t know. I’m really not familiar with their history. But I thought I’d read a lot about how cheap their owner is; and I don’t know if they’ve produced a player that would command what Johan will, at least while Pohlad has owned the team (aside from Puckett). quick wick check-he’s owned the team since 84
But it does seem that everyone expects that he won’t pay.
Yes, it was mos def a ploy at the time, but everyone took it seriously.
Just a point of reference on Baseball America.
Last years pre 2007 season top 100 prospects included the following rankings…
#20 Mike Pelfrey
#21 Matt Garza
#22 Fernando Martinez
#60 Carlos Gomez
#73 Phil Humber
#75 JOBA CHAMBERLAIN
Plus before we dump on Pelfrey too much and send his “devalued” arse out of here, there are a few items to mention.
1) He pitched to 2.35 something ERA in Sep. (not including the Aug start against the braves
2) He is 6′7 and throws gas and has a fluid repeatable motion
3) He may not have yet found that other pitch but he is only going to be 24 this year
4) He is by far the best prospect in our pitching prospect universe and sending him out without getting a similar level guy back is just bad business.
Here is a writeup from last year just before the season started….
Finally, the just released top 10 Mets prospect list from Baseball America’s Matt Meyers rates Mike Pelfrey as the number one prospect in the system, and feels he’s ready for a spot in the rotation right now:
Strengths: There are few pitchers in the minors whose fastball can rival Pelfrey’s. His two-seamer sits at 92-95 mph with fierce sink and late life and rates as a 70 on the 20-80 scouting scale. He throws it effortlessly from a 6-foot-7 frame on a steep downhill plane with great extension and solid command. … Though Pelfrey barely needed to use a changeup as an amateur, he already has a good feel for it and it’s his No. 2 pitch.
The Future: Though he needs better command of his secondary stuff, there’s little left for Pelfrey to prove in the minors. With Martinez out until at least the all-star break, Pelfrey will definitely be in the mix for the Opening Day rotation. He should be in the Mets rotation for years to come and has the potential to be a legitimate No. 1 starter.
Yes…The other thing to remember with Mike Pelfrey….He pitched LESS THAN 180 INNINGS in the minors, including less than 90 innings in AAA!!!! Give the guy some time…Most pitchers have around 200 innings in AAA before the show.
Pelf needs to dump that dopey mouthpiece.
its a distraction to him.. if me pitches well who cares if he screws up his teeth.
This sounds too good to be true, but the thought of aquiring Garza and still having Milledge, Pelfrey, Humber, Heilman, Mulvey, etc. and potentially packaging them together for a Bedard, is a VERY happy thought.
Bedard
Pedro
Maine
Perez
Garza
THAT is a wicked awesome fantasy baseball type lineup. I wonder what mistermet would complain about if this starting five became a reality… I guess Yorvit is still not Blowsada, so he’ll still have that.
P.S. I didn’t necessarily mean packaging ALL those players for Bedard, just what is necessary. I still believe Pelfrey can go back to the form he had last Spring Training, he was incredible for several innings. I really hope something could be done to keep him, but the right deal sometimes takes sacrifice.
Word out of Balt. is they are going to make an offer to Bedard ….for bookoo bucks…and if he declines it then they will try and move him..but most likely not until July…thats if he even turns the offer down..which he does I hope.
In Soviet Russia, Garza trade you!
Road forks you!
if santana is going to be made available at some point.. why the hell would minny trade garza?? and they would not do a 1-1… i could see gomez and guera or gomez and humber etc
DONE.
On a serious note, if Garza has the upside that people seem to think he has… you have to do this trade in a heartbeat. Gomez is a good talent and seems like a good kid, I’m a fan, but if you can do a one on one trade for a young, solid pitching talent with the goods, you have to make it happen, particularly if you dont have to give up much/anything else and have a surplus of young outfield talent like we do.
Here is a good report on Garza:
http://twins.scout.com/2/516232.html
I’d deal gomez for garza, not milledge. if they could do gomez + heilman for garza, i’d take that in a heartbeat.
So… Milledge is worth more to you than Gomez AND Heilman together?
i would say yes, though I do like heilman. milledge would be a lot harder to replace right now. you could cross your fingers and overpay linebrink for 2 years to replace heilman. really, health-willing, we may already have a good replacement in sanchez and padilla. gomez is completely expendable.
omar is out of his damn mind if he thinks that kid will be a good MLB corner outfielder. I have absolutely no interest in how fast he is, his career minor league obp is .336. that’s pitiful. at his best he’s juan pierre(see: awful). it would make me sick seeing him hit second for the mets
best gay pitcher in the majors
They need to make this trade….
I’m liking the idea more and more… Trade Gomez and another minor league picther (might have to have some upside, Jon Niese?) for Garza. Slot him in the rotation and you have Pedro and some young, power arms—
Pedro
Maine
Ollie
Garza
Pelfrey
Not bad, eh?
not bad but incredibly inexperienced….As mentioned in my post above, I really do think it will be good to give Pelfrey some more time in the minors…He doesn’t even have 90 IP in AAA….Generally thats less than half the experience than most….I would tweak your rotation to be:
Pedro, Maine, Ollie, Garza, Livan
I agree, that is actually a nice rotation.
Experience= Pedro Livan
Innings= Perez Livan
Stuff= Maine Perez Garza
That’s a better starting staff that last years.
More innings, more wins, PLUS Pelfrey and El Duque are you’re sixth and seventh starters, that’s better that last year AND 2006.
I meant more potential wins, given that Mr 300 is not on that staff.
I’d think Maine would be giving you the innings too. He went 191 last year, and his durability should improve in 2008.
I wouldn’t say incredibly inexperienced. Pedro, Maine, and Perez are all vets, and Garza has a year of big league experience under his belt, pitching in the AL central no less.
Pelfrey has also pitched in the bigs as well.
Perhaps unproven, and really only in regard to the latter 2.
I don’t get the talk about getting Garza and trading him for a top pitcher. Garza has the potential to be a top pitcher. Also, I don’t really know if Garza and Santana have any kind of relationship after one year, but it can’t hurt, right? Trade for Garza, go all out to sign Santana in the offseason, and this is a dominant pitching staff going into Citifield.
Santana
Perez
Garza
Maine
Pelfrey
Hey, a guy can dream, can’t he?
I would love that rotation but would rather get rid of Pelfrey and keep Humber as our #5 starter.
Enough already. Omar get it done if this is a real possibility. Garza is a terrific arm and Gomez is completly overated. It is a no brainer and if he makes this trade I will go back to being confident in Omar and this team.
gomez has shown nothing but speed and defense at any level. relative to pitching those tools come cheap. he can’t get on base well enough for his speed to matter and he’ll never be a good enough offensive player to fill a corner outfield spot, certainly not in a town with a big market payroll. he just doesn’t have the plate discipline and i wouldn’t take the gamble that it will develop because that’s rare. the twins are NUTS if they’re considering this.
The Twins would be nuts to do that rumored deal but who cares? If they will do it then Omar shouldnt think twice. We would get one of the best pitching prospects who is only 23 for a so so outfield prospect in Gomez. Again, Pitching, Pitching, Pitching. It looks like we will have to give up the farm to get any ace that may be available and we still may not have enough to compete with teams with better prospects. So in that case if we can trade Gomez straight up for a potential ace or at the worst a # in Garza what is there to think about?
Sorry # 3 in Garza I meant above.
Forget it, that, in my mind, is a deal you’ve got to make. Garza is a future 18-20 game winner the way I see it.
AMEN BROTHER!
This is such a no-brainer, it cannot possibly be true.
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