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	<title>Comments on: News: Izturis Joins the 2B Market</title>
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		<title>By: 4JoeOrsulak</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/16/news-izturis-joins-the-2b-market/#comment-42921</link>
		<dc:creator>4JoeOrsulak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 03:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There will always be another Eck if Gotay doesn&#039;t work.  You lose nothing going with Gotay.</description>
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		<title>By: 4JoeOrsulak</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/16/news-izturis-joins-the-2b-market/#comment-42919</link>
		<dc:creator>4JoeOrsulak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 03:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm....

Julio Lugo just won a championship with the Red Sox.

He is thus a winner.

And this is very important.

Wright has never won a title.

He is thus not a winner.

That&#039;s not getting it done.

Nor is Reyes getting it done.

We shall trade both for Lugo

sign Eckstine

have Lugo play 3rd and short at the same time

(because both have to be manned by a winner)

and we&#039;re as good as World Champions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;.</p>
<p>Julio Lugo just won a championship with the Red Sox.</p>
<p>He is thus a winner.</p>
<p>And this is very important.</p>
<p>Wright has never won a title.</p>
<p>He is thus not a winner.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not getting it done.</p>
<p>Nor is Reyes getting it done.</p>
<p>We shall trade both for Lugo</p>
<p>sign Eckstine</p>
<p>have Lugo play 3rd and short at the same time</p>
<p>(because both have to be manned by a winner)</p>
<p>and we&#8217;re as good as World Champions</p>
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		<title>By: Tidewater</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/16/news-izturis-joins-the-2b-market/#comment-42868</link>
		<dc:creator>Tidewater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Firejoemorgan.com on Eck:

Speaking of people whose brains are wrong, ESPN&#039;s Buster Olney has some things to say about Eckstein:

3. David Eckstein, SS

Injuries have limited the shortstop to 240 games over his last two seasons, and he doesn&#039;t have the body or playing style of someone who will last. 


Sign him!


But nobody can argue this: When Eckstein plays, he produces.


I can argue that. I can easily argue that. You want me to argue that? I will argue that.

The man&#039;s career OPS+ is 89. That is below average for baseball players. His career high OPS+ is 101. That is one percent better than the average baseball player. He has never had more than 26 doubles in a season. He has never had a slugging percentage in the .400s. He is a terrible hitter.


His batting average in each of his last three seasons is .294, .292 and .309, and he made a couple of All-Star teams. 

Oh my God. If Buster Olney were a GM, he would stock his teams with Ecksteins and Juan Pierres and Christian Guzmans and they would go 20-142.


He has been a shortstop and the Cardinals need a shortstop, and Eckstein may end up returning to St. Louis. But Eckstein could also be, for a big-market contending club, a very interesting buy as a super utility player, because he can play second base, and perhaps even third base, along with some shortstop. 


David Eckstein playing third base would be amazing. I would love to see that. If Jacoby Ellsbury hit a ball down the line to David Eckstein and Eck had to backhand it and throw from foul territory, by the time the ball landed in the first baseman&#039;s glove Ellsbury would be sitting on the bench after his inside-the-park little-league HR and Kevin Youkilis would be at the plate with a count of 2-0.

You could move him around, give him days off when he had a nagging injury, and always inject energy into your team -- like a sixth man in basketball. 


This is a reason to sign him?


GM: So, tell me why we should sign your client.

Eckstein&#039;s Agent: Tons of reasons. First of all, he&#039;s a winner. Second, he can inject energy into your team. Third, when we gets injured -- and he will definitely get injured -- you can give him days off!

GM: (has long since left room)


Pay him well on a two-year deal and promise him 400 plate appearances, and he could help you get to October. 

Pay him well on a two-year deal, and he will certainly collect his paychecks while not helping your team at all. And if your team makes it to October despite his mediocre/bad play, he will totally help you win in October, with his career .278/.333/.335 line in the postseason.

Finally, here is the voice of reason, in the form of Keith Law:

Quite possibly the most overrated player in baseball because people say &quot;gritty&quot; and &quot;scrappy&quot; and &quot;smart&quot; when they really just mean &quot;short.&quot; Eckstein has had a nice run in the National League as a slap-and-run guy who does all of the little things and not many of the big things: He&#039;s got a short swing and isn&#039;t strong, so he hits for very little power, and he&#039;s never drawn many walks or worked the count. He&#039;s still an above-average runner, but not a burner and not worth much on the base paths; the speed is most valuable in helping him bunt for hits or leg out some ground balls. He&#039;s a bad defensive shortstop, and given his age he&#039;s likely to get worse, so it makes much more sense for someone to sign him as a second baseman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Firejoemorgan.com on Eck:</p>
<p>Speaking of people whose brains are wrong, ESPN&#8217;s Buster Olney has some things to say about Eckstein:</p>
<p>3. David Eckstein, SS</p>
<p>Injuries have limited the shortstop to 240 games over his last two seasons, and he doesn&#8217;t have the body or playing style of someone who will last. </p>
<p>Sign him!</p>
<p>But nobody can argue this: When Eckstein plays, he produces.</p>
<p>I can argue that. I can easily argue that. You want me to argue that? I will argue that.</p>
<p>The man&#8217;s career OPS+ is 89. That is below average for baseball players. His career high OPS+ is 101. That is one percent better than the average baseball player. He has never had more than 26 doubles in a season. He has never had a slugging percentage in the .400s. He is a terrible hitter.</p>
<p>His batting average in each of his last three seasons is .294, .292 and .309, and he made a couple of All-Star teams. </p>
<p>Oh my God. If Buster Olney were a GM, he would stock his teams with Ecksteins and Juan Pierres and Christian Guzmans and they would go 20-142.</p>
<p>He has been a shortstop and the Cardinals need a shortstop, and Eckstein may end up returning to St. Louis. But Eckstein could also be, for a big-market contending club, a very interesting buy as a super utility player, because he can play second base, and perhaps even third base, along with some shortstop. </p>
<p>David Eckstein playing third base would be amazing. I would love to see that. If Jacoby Ellsbury hit a ball down the line to David Eckstein and Eck had to backhand it and throw from foul territory, by the time the ball landed in the first baseman&#8217;s glove Ellsbury would be sitting on the bench after his inside-the-park little-league HR and Kevin Youkilis would be at the plate with a count of 2-0.</p>
<p>You could move him around, give him days off when he had a nagging injury, and always inject energy into your team &#8212; like a sixth man in basketball. </p>
<p>This is a reason to sign him?</p>
<p>GM: So, tell me why we should sign your client.</p>
<p>Eckstein&#8217;s Agent: Tons of reasons. First of all, he&#8217;s a winner. Second, he can inject energy into your team. Third, when we gets injured &#8212; and he will definitely get injured &#8212; you can give him days off!</p>
<p>GM: (has long since left room)</p>
<p>Pay him well on a two-year deal and promise him 400 plate appearances, and he could help you get to October. </p>
<p>Pay him well on a two-year deal, and he will certainly collect his paychecks while not helping your team at all. And if your team makes it to October despite his mediocre/bad play, he will totally help you win in October, with his career .278/.333/.335 line in the postseason.</p>
<p>Finally, here is the voice of reason, in the form of Keith Law:</p>
<p>Quite possibly the most overrated player in baseball because people say &#8220;gritty&#8221; and &#8220;scrappy&#8221; and &#8220;smart&#8221; when they really just mean &#8220;short.&#8221; Eckstein has had a nice run in the National League as a slap-and-run guy who does all of the little things and not many of the big things: He&#8217;s got a short swing and isn&#8217;t strong, so he hits for very little power, and he&#8217;s never drawn many walks or worked the count. He&#8217;s still an above-average runner, but not a burner and not worth much on the base paths; the speed is most valuable in helping him bunt for hits or leg out some ground balls. He&#8217;s a bad defensive shortstop, and given his age he&#8217;s likely to get worse, so it makes much more sense for someone to sign him as a second baseman.</p>
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		<title>By: johnnyrotton</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/16/news-izturis-joins-the-2b-market/#comment-42800</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JETER THE TAX CHEAT

New York state tax officials want Derek Jeter to pay hundreds of thousands -- possibly even millions of dollars -- in back taxes and interest for the years 2001 to 2003, when he claimed Florida residency despite spending the bulk of his time in New York.

An administrative judge&#039;s ruling shows that Jeter has claimed Florida residency since 1994. New York state isn&#039;t going back that far, but it does want it&#039;s cut from Jeter&#039;s check from after be bought a $13 million apartment in Manhattan. Jeter made $34 million in salary from 2001 through 2003 and likely millions more in endorsements.

THROW HIS ASS IN THE SAME CELL WITH BONDS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JETER THE TAX CHEAT</p>
<p>New York state tax officials want Derek Jeter to pay hundreds of thousands &#8212; possibly even millions of dollars &#8212; in back taxes and interest for the years 2001 to 2003, when he claimed Florida residency despite spending the bulk of his time in New York.</p>
<p>An administrative judge&#8217;s ruling shows that Jeter has claimed Florida residency since 1994. New York state isn&#8217;t going back that far, but it does want it&#8217;s cut from Jeter&#8217;s check from after be bought a $13 million apartment in Manhattan. Jeter made $34 million in salary from 2001 through 2003 and likely millions more in endorsements.</p>
<p>THROW HIS ASS IN THE SAME CELL WITH BONDS</p>
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		<title>By: Tidewater</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/16/news-izturis-joins-the-2b-market/#comment-42780</link>
		<dc:creator>Tidewater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Tidewater</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/16/news-izturis-joins-the-2b-market/#comment-42766</link>
		<dc:creator>Tidewater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honey, not hate!!!!!  just a little snarky teasing.

I&#039;d try Gotay.  He&#039;s young, he&#039;s cheap, he practically is a draft pick!   And when there&#039;s a tough lefty out there, I&#039;d stick Easley in.  

No need to spend money on mediocrity nor to commit years to fragility.  

I don&#039;t think second basemen generally make or break a team.  I&#039;d not worry about second, and focus entirely on pitching at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honey, not hate!!!!!  just a little snarky teasing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d try Gotay.  He&#8217;s young, he&#8217;s cheap, he practically is a draft pick!   And when there&#8217;s a tough lefty out there, I&#8217;d stick Easley in.  </p>
<p>No need to spend money on mediocrity nor to commit years to fragility.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think second basemen generally make or break a team.  I&#8217;d not worry about second, and focus entirely on pitching at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: djbutler</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/16/news-izturis-joins-the-2b-market/#comment-42730</link>
		<dc:creator>djbutler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Predictions are speculation, that is the synonym for predictions??? That said, my numbers don&#039;t stray far from park adjusted three year averages and any fool with access to a baseball encyclopedia (or baseball-reference.com) can see that. How &#039;bout contributing something to the discussion other than hate. Easy to hate, but I&#039;d rather hear your predictions, assessments, or analysis on the topic at hand of the Mets 2B situation... who would you sign and why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Predictions are speculation, that is the synonym for predictions??? That said, my numbers don&#8217;t stray far from park adjusted three year averages and any fool with access to a baseball encyclopedia (or baseball-reference.com) can see that. How &#8217;bout contributing something to the discussion other than hate. Easy to hate, but I&#8217;d rather hear your predictions, assessments, or analysis on the topic at hand of the Mets 2B situation&#8230; who would you sign and why?</p>
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		<title>By: djbutler</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/16/news-izturis-joins-the-2b-market/#comment-42726</link>
		<dc:creator>djbutler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iguchi the best option??? only if all you are looking for is a cheap 2B. However, the Mets have a cheap 2B in Gotay. Eckstein offer roster flexibility, backup if Reyes goes down (remember he used to be injury prone). If the Mets want a good 2B, Castillo is actually the best option, but he will cost as much as Eckstein if not more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iguchi the best option??? only if all you are looking for is a cheap 2B. However, the Mets have a cheap 2B in Gotay. Eckstein offer roster flexibility, backup if Reyes goes down (remember he used to be injury prone). If the Mets want a good 2B, Castillo is actually the best option, but he will cost as much as Eckstein if not more.</p>
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		<title>By: Slob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By your own estimation, Iguchi is the best option, and yet you&#039;d sign Eckstein. Huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By your own estimation, Iguchi is the best option, and yet you&#8217;d sign Eckstein. Huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Magooley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magooley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice!</p>
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