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…assuming the Mets catchers split time evenly next season, i wanted to try to predict how each would fare over an 81 game stretch…i took the average stats from Yorvit Torrealba and Ramon Castro over the 
last two years, then multiplied them out to see how they would stack up…
Based on his stats over the last two years, if Torrealba plays 81 games next year, he is likely to average eight home runs and 47 RBI, with a .308 OBP while hitting .251.
Over 81 games, Castro will have 14 homers and 38 RBI, with a .327 OBP while hitting .262. Combined, over the course of 162 games, Castro and Torrealba are likely to hit .255, with roughly 20 HR and 85 RBI.
Meanwhile, Paul Lo Duca hit .295, with .333 OBP, while averaging 51 RBI per season over the last two years.
…realistically speaking i see torrealba getting the majority of playing time but it will be interesting to see how it pans out…on another note i will miss lo duca, but am in support of a younger and therefore healthier catcher…
…added to by Matthew Cerrone…
…of course, as we know, lo duca is older and was injured on a number of occasions last season, so it’s difficult to project how he will hold up as he gets older, especially over the next three seasons, which is what a team may have to commit to…additionally, while i view it as a positive, it is becoming quite clear that the Mets felt he was a bit of a distraction last season, be it with off-field issues or speaking out publicly against his manager or fighting them on how to rehab from his aches and pains, among other things, all of which cannot be quantified in stats…on the flip side, from a qualitative stand point, i’m sure the Mets will cite torrealba’s hustle, ability to handle a pitching staff, his desire to win and his age…
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and of course, Ramon will have down time
so who then backs up Yogurt?
Luis Alen.
LoDuca’s memory
Who the hell is Luis Alen?
What the hell is going on here?*
*banner at Fulton Stadium 1986 extras against the Bravos
Luis Alen is our AAA catcher in 08.
http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/02/news-mets-sign-alen-independent-catcher/
The Goldeneyes?
Really scientific analysis! Totally uselss.
I like Metsblog, I love reading the webpage, But man, the all this pandering to the Mets brass, and “oh yeah, it’s good that Lo Duca’s Gone” and “Wow, Lets give Yorvit a Chance” and “oh well we dont know how Lo Duca would have held up”
It sure sounds to me like all the bloggers not wanting to piss the Mets off,
Maybe LoDuca wasn’t the solution for 2008, but a Tandem of Yorvit and Castro sure as hell isn’t either.
I’m willing to give it a chance to see what happens, mainly because we have no choice, but come on, why don’t we pull our heads out of the sand for 5 minutes and report this as it truly is. a Medicore at best Signing. at worst? an unqualified disaster.
what if torrealba bats 280 this yr with 10 hrs and 50 rbis and handles the staff very well and has a good D year? will it still be mediocre at best? i mean the deal isn’t even official yet and every1 is acting like he batted 230 and made a ton of mistakes in 08!
What If? What if Lo Duca hits .320 with 10 hr/50 RBI, What If Glavine goes to the braves and wins 20 Games, What IF Pedro gets hurt the 1st game..
Lots of things are What If’s, you can’t Judge a signing on What If’s,
when he is announced as a met, I’ll be the first one out there Cheering for him to as you say, hit .280
But as it stands now, without any What If’s, he’s a catcher with a career .251 avg. replacing a catcher with a Career .288 hitter. On it’s merits, i don’t see this as an upgrade.
Do i hope you are right about “What If”? you bet your Butt i do, cause otherwise… we’ll I think you can figure that out.
stop being unrealistic, what should we have done oh wise one? traded for victor martinez? Gone back in a time machine and gotten Mike Piazza from 7 years ago? Offensive catchers are a luxury, not a necessity, especially in the NL. What we need is someone who can call a game and work well with pitchers. We have that, and, both of these guys are better defensively then Lo Duca.
If better defensivly means throwing out fewer runners, allowing more passed balls, and having more errors then yep, Yorvit’s better than Lo Duca.
Look, all i’m saying, is that this is NOT the best possible signing based on past performance,
i should further add that the health of a catcher is also vitally important. Asking Lo Duca to man the position all year is a huge risk, and if you can’t see that, you’re the one wearing the blinders.
You are right, Lo Duca’s health is a concern, but look at last years stats, even with his injuries, Lo Duca was out there more innings than Yorvit, Started more games than Yorvit, and was better defensively.
I’m not saying it was a terrible Signing, ‘im saying it is not a great signing, and has the potential to be a bad signing.
And yes, i am aware that Lo Duca is now a year older. And very likely wanted a 3 year deal (which for a 36 year old catcher is pure lunacy IMHO) But is Yorvit really the best we could do?
I’m not trying to argue or anything, so you dont need to jump down my throat :)
I think Torrealba was one of the best FA catchers available, better than Kendall, Barrett, and better than Lo Duca. Dookie is 36 years old and had his worst offensive season ever, and has a history of hitting 310-330 until he plays over 130 games, in which every year his average begins to fade. With the Marlins he caught well over 130 games and his Septembers were brutal. With the Dodgers he was younger but it still happened. With the Mets he was kept fresher at first but this past year he fell off the map offensively, and it would not surprise me if the 36 yr old man that tired as a season wore on in his 20s was aging before our eyes. I would not be surprised to see him hitting 220 in a couple of year, and we’d be addled with him for two years of that.
In the interest of fairness, I think you have to use the Torrealba + Castro projection as opposed to the numbers Lo Duca + Castro actually put up the last 2 years combined. Otherwise you’re comparing 162 games on one side to maybe 110 on the other.
Still, pretty useless though. But fun to think about and waste time with.
I agree that this is all just for argument’s sake, but I projected Yorvit and Ramon’s stats out as if they had started 162 games each of the last two years.
Don’t forget park factor. Didn’t Yorvit hit something like .220 away from Coors?
I don’t understand the point about Torreabla’s “desire to win.” Do the other Mets not want to win as much? I cannot even comprehend what that phrase means. Matt, can you explain? Thanks.
You must not have played sports before with people that go through the motions, especially over the course of a 162 games, when some people (1bm cough, cough) tend to get “bored”… some people play with fire and runs as hard as he can down the line on a ground ball to SS in the 4th inning of a June game at the Nats, and apparently Yorvit is one of those guys that does.
I meant that defensively — to back up 1b… if Yorvit plays with that passion and hurts people’s hands on high fives, etc, he will catch on fast here in NY as a fan favorite, and since Castro is already loved, it could make for a fun tandem.
So because Yorvit Torreable will run out a grounder against the Nationals in June and hurts people’s hands on high fives, he is worth about 5 million a year for three years.
Great. Now it makes perfect sense.
PS- I’d rather have a catcher who is lazy but can actually play baseball well.
1) Lo Duca with a 311 OB% was not that player
2) Yorvit can play
3) And yes, because he runs down the line to back up first base and plays with passion he is worth more money than a lazy player with equally terrible stats like the rest of the field of available FAs.
Any other snide sarcastic (and stupid) comments I need to address?
No one seems to think that Paulie’s love for the ponies was the key reason Met management decided to go elsewhere.
IMO, it was the issue that made the brass real uncomfortable with Lo Duca. Add that to the other comments, his age, penchant for breaking down late in the season and he (in their eyes) had to go.
I liked the way he played. Good luck Paul.
I appreciate the effort, but this doesn’t strike me as a very scientific analysis. Park factors, the reliance of RBI as a central stat (when it is very lineup dependent), etc. need to be adjusted. Like other posters, I really don’t understand how you guys are trying to paint Yorvit as a decent offensive player. He’s been brutal. He’ll likely be brutal. The Mets may not have had other options, but that’s their own fault (not signing Ramon Hernandez, letting Jesus Flores go for nothing, not trading for younger minor league depth, etc.)
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