55 Responses to “Buzz: Mariano Rivera Ready for Yankees”

1. BSMITTYFDNY says:

   November 17, 2007 at 7:37 pm

   That stinks. I had a small part of me that thought maybe, just maybe Omar would surprise us and get him. A one two punch of the two “Sandman” would have been great, but oh well. Now lets bring back LoDuca, or sign Barrett, or trade for a package of Bedard, Ramon Hernandez, and Bradford from the O’s.
   • plummetdown says:

     November 17, 2007 at 8:19 pm

     NEW YORK MESS.

     Yankees resigned a-rod. resigned rivera, got posada, and have enough $$ to get lowell?

     and the mets dissappointed we couldnt get the rey ordenez of catching.

     welcome to mets 2000.

     mets CANT TAKE THAT EXTRA STEP.

     they never will….

     with our luck…

     YANKEES WILL GET SANTANA. and mets will get eckstein.

     WHY IS IT THAT THE YANKEES AND RED SOX…HAVE BETTER PROSPECTS THEN THE METS?

     METS USUALLY HAVE THE HIGHER PICKS.

     ITS BECAUSE THEY DONT WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY IN DRAFT PICKS.

     AND WANT TO SPEND IT ON MEDICORE PITCHING/CATCHING.
     • TilMetsDoUsPart says:

       November 17, 2007 at 9:01 pm

       Just because Omar went a half step down on the offense of our 7 hitter, only to go a full step up with his pitch calling doesn’t mean he isn’t going to take a big leap. Prefering Eckstein to Castillo is like preferring butter to… butter!

       They are pretty much the same exact player.

       Omar specifically said that there would be no big moves before Winter Meetings, and it is a plus that he is being secretive.

       Sure, the Mets didn’t get A-rod. Whoopee. Anyone with a brain knew that A-rod would be an unnecessary, and that Omar wouldn’t make a huge push for him. Same with Posada and Rivera.

       But pitching is available via trade, and Silva can be a fallback option. Lincecum, Blanton and Bedard could be within reach of the Mets.
       • squad says:

         November 17, 2007 at 9:07 pm

         Exactly. There is no one on the pitching market that we can just throw a ton of money at who will give this team what it needs.

         All upgrades must come through trades… and trades take more time to negotiate than: “hey, we’ll give you a TON of money if you sign with us instead of them.”
     • genius says:

       November 17, 2007 at 10:25 pm

       well said
     • icedrake523 says:

       November 17, 2007 at 10:37 pm

       The Yankees’ prospects aren’t always better. Overhyped? Absolutely. Better? Not always.
   • sheahey1184 says:

     November 17, 2007 at 10:09 pm

     why is that being posted on metsblog.com? we were never going to get him and thats not relevant to the mets in any way shape or form. Please do tell us when the Royals and Rays re-sign pitchers, its the same thing.
   • TilMetsDoUsPart says:

     November 17, 2007 at 10:25 pm

     The Mets aren’t getting Hernandez, Bradford AND Bedard.
2. RespectDaBestRM says:

   November 17, 2007 at 7:48 pm

   at the beginning of the offseason, it looked like the yankees were readying themselves for an awful offseason.
   well, the tides the turned and the mets are having one.
   • squad says:

     November 17, 2007 at 9:00 pm

     Yup, pretty terrible 2 days of free agency we’re having.

     I know you can’t tell, but I’m rolling my eyes.
   • mrose says:

     November 17, 2007 at 9:12 pm

     dude, seriously? The Yankees have made a big splash in their wallets but lets look..OH WAIT ITS THE SAME TEAM AS LAST YEAR THAT DIDN’T GET OUT OF THE FIRST ROUND!

     Wow…
     • RespectDaBestRM says:

       November 17, 2007 at 9:51 pm

       no, its just that in the beginning it arod opted out and everyone thought he was gone.
       then rivera said something about torre leaving.
       posada was suppose to go test the free agent market.
       andy pettite opted out and might be retiring.

       thats the way it looked in the beginning.
       now they have solved the 1st 3.
     • Trumpzilla says:

       November 17, 2007 at 10:09 pm

       At least they MAKE the first round….
3. Web says:

   November 17, 2007 at 8:01 pm

   Good to see all of these Yankees (Mo, Posada, A-Rod) showed loyalty to Joe Torre.
   • plummetdown says:

     November 17, 2007 at 8:25 pm

     its all about the $$$$…lets be real….
     • RespectDaBestRM says:

       November 17, 2007 at 8:42 pm

       yankees just gave out about 350 million dollars to 3 players.

       when the mets spent all that money when minaya came in, pedro, beltran, etc. that was about 200 million dollars with all the moves that offseason.
       its just amazing.
       over the last 2 years, floyd, trachesal, valentin, green, glavine,bradford, lo duca were let go.
       thats about 30-40 million
       what have the mets spent it on?
       alou, mota and schoenweis.
       come on, omar has to wake up and make a splash.
       trade for santana or bedard and lock them up.
       • squad says:

         November 17, 2007 at 9:05 pm

         Who did you want them to make a “splash” with exactly?

         Floyd, Trachsel, Green, Valentin, Glavine, and now LoDuca were all washed up. Kaput. Why spend dollars on them? And Bradford is a middle reliever… not a huge difference maker.

         For the record, the Alou signing has been a good one. He is a bargain and he rakes when he plays.

         Back to my original point. Pedro and Beltran were the big fishes in ‘05… Mets got ‘em. Wagner was their target in ‘06. Got him AND traded for LoDuca and Delgado. Last year they went with a big bid for Dice-K, but the Red Sox blew everyone away with a ridiculous offer. Nothing they could do. Then, when they evaluated the market, they didn’t find anyone worth big dollars. Zito stunk and was a horrible investment by San Fran. Sure, Meche and Lilly turned in fine campaigns, but they were far from marquee players or sure things.

         In short, what exactly do you want the Mets to do?

         And who cares about the guys the Yankees just resigned? ARod aside, Rivera and Posada are just names. Their best days are behind them.
       • TilMetsDoUsPart says:

         November 17, 2007 at 9:14 pm

         You say Alou like its a bad thing….

         It’s not the money you spend that matters… The Yankees proved that… It’s the quality of your players.

         And yes, the Mets do need 1 or 2 starters to bolster the quality of their players.

         They could get Bedard for Pelfrey, Humber, Heilman and Milledge and sign Iguchi, Lo Duca, Fukudome and Silva.
         They could get Lincecum for Milledge, Delgado, Heilman and Pelfrey, and sign Casey, Eckstein, Torrealba and Linebrink.
         They could get Blanton for Milledge and Heilman and sign Bradley, Castillo, and Molina.

         Of course I am being creative, but there are many opportunities at many positions for the Mets.
       • M3TS4L1F3 says:

         November 17, 2007 at 9:29 pm

         Alou was a bad thing cause he barely played and cost us a draft pick
       • M3TS4L1F3 says:

         November 17, 2007 at 9:30 pm

         and there are no way any of you trades happen except the Blanton one but Blanton is not worth that
4. ReyesRocks says:

   November 17, 2007 at 9:27 pm

   I really don’t think that Mariano was ever even an option. Nor a necessity. He’s a closer. We already have one.

   Same goes for A-Rod. We already have a Third Baseman.

   Posada was asking way too much in terms of years, the Mets didn’t need that type of deal hanging on.

   The Yankees are creating the exact same team that lost to the Indians except a year older. It’s not like they’re “splashes” are making them better. They’re just spending money like the Yankees do.

   Neither player was really necessary.

   Castillo or Ekstein, I go for Ekstein. He’s a nice, hard working player, and “rumors” of Ekstein hurting Reyes’ attitude will be none existent. He’ll play hard, every game. He’s the little guy you root for, and LaRussa LOVED how he played. He’ll be great for this team.

   Torrealba was my first choice for catcher. His defensive numbers (except for last year) were super. Everything I’ve read leads me to beleive the Mets pulled out. I think it’s one of two things, a) the physical lead them to beleive the “arm problems” from last year weren’t getting or going to get better, or some other health issue, or b) a trade option has opened up.
   • ReyesRocks says:

     November 17, 2007 at 9:36 pm

     I’ve posted this before, but the Seattle Mariners have Johjima and an absolutely OUTSTANDING prospect catcher (Jeff Clement) who’s major league ready.

     If by anyway possible, the Mets should go ALL OUT for Jeff Clement, but as an after thought, Johjima may be available in a trade. He puts up good numbers, his CERA isn’t so great, but neither has his pitchers been.

     Defensively Johjima threw out .465 percent. He seems good. Not as good as Clement who’s absolutely outstanding, but because of the two, one could certainly be had I think.
     • squad says:

       November 17, 2007 at 9:42 pm

       I wouldn’t mind Mathis from the Angels.
5. squad says:

   November 17, 2007 at 9:31 pm

   Anyone who wants to know why spending big $$ on relievers who are not big time closers should read this: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tom_verducci/11/13/padres.relief/1.html

   Kevin Towers is a brilliant man. I’ve been saying #1 to my dad and brother for the longest time.
   • stickguy says:

     November 17, 2007 at 11:08 pm

     Good points, I agree with his approach.

     #1 you can extend to your own organization. Pretty uch what the Mets did with Heilmann.

     A corollary might be using your future starts out of the pen to begin with. Johan Santana started that way!

     ANd, just becasue yo uconvert a starter, doesn’t mean he can’t go back.

     For the Mets, if they pick up a couple of new starters, makes perfect sense to use Pelfrey out of the pen, at least to start the year. He can always come back, or do it in 2009.
     • squad says:

       November 17, 2007 at 11:38 pm

       EXACTLY! I am a firm believer in breaking guys in via the pen. Johan, Pedro, Liriano, etc have all done this. Billingsley did it this year.

       It’s a great way to let young pitchers learn how to get MLB hitters out and build up their confidence, while monitoring their innings.
       • stickguy says:

         November 18, 2007 at 9:23 am

         would have worked with Humber last September I bet.
6. Trumpzilla says:

   November 17, 2007 at 9:56 pm

   great job Mutts! You can’t even nail down a lousy C, and totally let the BEST closer available go without even an offer. He could’ve been pried away, but props to Omar for wasting his time working on this nonexistant deal for pitching he’s brainwashing all of you into thinking will happening
   • ReyesRocks says:

     November 17, 2007 at 10:01 pm

     Are you in “the loop”? How do you know there wasn’t an offer? Maybe, just maybe, Rivera said to Omar, “hey thanks, but I’m really not interested in being a set up man,’

     Instead of just pissing and moaning for the sake of it, why don’t you just be a Yankees fan. You can root for Rivera all you want
     • Trumpzilla says:

       November 17, 2007 at 10:06 pm

       How do you know there wasn’t an offer? Maybe, just maybe, Rivera said to Omar, “hey thanks, but I’m really not interested in being a set up man,

       LOLLLLLLLLLLLL yeah right, Mariano would tell Omar to not even bother making an offer, when he’s sitting out there looking for more years or money than the current Yank offer. What you said is asinine. Try again. And change your name to ReyesPopsUp.

       Instead of just pissing and moaning for the sake of it, why don’t you just be a Yankees fan. You can root for Rivera all you want

       Yeah, I’m angry just for the sake of it, heaven forbid that after a collapse like 2007 I get annoyed for them wasting time with scrubs like Yorvit and Eckstein instead of going after actual helpful players.
       • ReyesRocks says:

         November 17, 2007 at 10:20 pm

         I didn’t say Reviera wouldn’t want to have an offer made, I said Reviera wouldn’t want to be a set up man. And Wagner wouldn’t either.

         And, please list the helpful players. Posada and A-Rod? Some mystery man no one has heard of?

         Feel free to list the players we should aquire that would “be helpful”. I’m very interested to hear your point.

         IMO Yorvit (with a healthy arm) WOULD be helpful defensively. AND Eckstein is the type of player that is fun to root for, he works hard, he gives it his all, he hits above .300, he’d be a great 2 hole hitter, and a good part of the clubhouse.
       • Trumpzilla says:

         November 17, 2007 at 10:50 pm

         I didn’t say Reviera wouldn’t want to have an offer made, I said Reviera wouldn’t want to be a set up man. And Wagner wouldn’t either.

         Rivera would’ve been closer. Too bad for Wagner and what he wants. He’s never closed a big game in his life.

         IMO Yorvit (with a healthy arm) WOULD be helpful defensively. AND Eckstein is the type of player that is fun to root for, he works hard, he gives it his all, he hits above .300, he’d be a great 2 hole hitter, and a good part of the clubhouse.
         

         Neither one of them has much talent
       • ReyesRocks says:

         November 17, 2007 at 11:08 pm

         “Rivera would’ve been closer. Too bad for Wagner and what he wants. He’s never closed a big game in his life.”

         …and I guess too bad for you… Wagner is our closer next year.

         “Neither one of them has much talent”

         … rrrright. Okay, thanks for that gem of knowledge.
         I disagree.
7. ReyesRocks says:

   November 17, 2007 at 10:25 pm

   Eckstein won the 2006 WORLD SERIES MVP
   if he’ll play second, he’s a GREAT pickup and I would love to have him

   Yorvit is a solid defensive catcher (except for last year)
   and pending proof (in a physical) that his arm was okay
   he would’ve been.
   Name a free agent catcher out there that you can legitimately
   say that about
8. TilMetsDoUsPart says:

   November 17, 2007 at 10:40 pm

   Nothing to do with Rivera, but I can see Gomez and Gotay leaving for Garza, and the Mets signing Silva. It doesn’t cost too much, it seems like the Twins could accept it, and Garza has actually proven to do pretty well. I also see the Mets with Silva, Eckstein or Iguchi and Lo Duca or Piazza.

   Garza had a 3.69 ERA last year, and improve his warlk, strikeout and hit rates. His huge upside is a realistic project for Rick Peterson. And if he repeats last year, that’s fine as well. Garza has an amazing work ethic and talent. He has a fastball that tops out in the high 90s. A slider in the mid-80s and a curveball in the high-70s. He also has tremendous stamina.

   It’s not huge, but it doesn’t cost Milledge, Pelfrey or Heilman. Garza looked pretty in the majors last year, and has a huge upside. It just gives us more young talent, and an innings eater in Silva, and brings El Duque to the Bullpen.
9. TilMetsDoUsPart says:

   November 17, 2007 at 10:45 pm

   Gomez and Gotay for Garza. Sign Iguchi and Lo Duca.

   Reyes
   Iguchi
   Wright
   Beltran
   Alou
   Delgado
   Milledge
   Lo Duca/Castro

   Martinez
   Perez
   Maine
   Pelfrey
   Garza

   Hernandez
   Sosa
   Schoeneweis
   Feliciano
   Heilman
   Sanchez
   Wagner

   Use Hernandez or Mulvey as starters if one or both of the Garza/Pelfrey spots don’t work. Should Smith and Kunz prove to be major league ready, trade Heilman and Humber for a young first baseman who isn’t past the rookie amount of ABs.
   • BSMITTYFDNY says:

     November 17, 2007 at 11:11 pm

     Not bad but Garza WOULD work. He would have a chance to become our #1 never mind #5. He is 23 years old and a no brainer to get. Garza is ausome. I cant say enough about him. It would be a steal and maybe even a better idea than stripping our entire system for Santana who may leave after a year. And for Gomez? If this rumor is true then Omar better pull the trigger quickly before other teams get in on it and drive the price up. Garza=Stud Have I mentioned I like Garza? LOL. And no I dont have a man crush. LOL.
10. stickguy says:

    November 17, 2007 at 11:02 pm

    GOmez for Garza would be solid. Probably wouldn’t even need to sign a proven mediocrity like SIlva or Livan, but it would give them the flexibility to take a reclamation porject flyer on Colon (jennings?) one of the higher risk/higher reward types.

    THen, make some smart moves to swap other prospects (not Milledge, I count his as a starter now) for a real C (young like SHoppach, or experienced like Jojima). SOmeone with talent/potential/upside, and a future!

    DO that, and 2B can be flexible.

    Or, get a real 2B guy (like O DOg), and make do at catcher, but not with a LT deal to an old stiff. Or even a young stiff!

    2B they can cover in house. C they can’t.
    • RespectDaBestRM says:

      November 17, 2007 at 11:15 pm

      omar needs to make another one of the moves on a young pitcher who had a lot of success in the past but had a bad season and their team gave up on them, i.e oliver perez.
      this year, its cliff lee from cleveland.
      i think we should offer up a package of milledge and heilman for shopach, cliff lee and one of their stud relievers, betancourt/perez or lewis.
      it feels our catcher need, our bullpen need and has a chance to fill out starting pitcher need.

      then, i would turn around and trade either humber or pelfrey for an outfielder, like jason bay.
      resign castillo for 2b
      sign jennings or colon
      starting lineup: reyes, castillo, wright, beltran, alou, delgado, bay, shopach/castro
      starting pitcher:
      pedro, main, perez, colon/jennings, cliff lee
      with el duque and either pelfrey or humber along with mulvey as possible starter replacement
      bullpen: el duque, feliciano, sanchez, show, wagner, betancourt/lewis/perez, smith
      • TilMetsDoUsPart says:

        November 17, 2007 at 11:32 pm

        So you want two risky players with little upside or one but with a washed up veteran in our rotation? You want a mediocre young catcher? You want to trade a possible young stud and get a guy who couldn’t hit .250 or even hit 25 HRs? You want to put a guy in the setup role who got tired before midseason?

        I’m guessing you would like to have a losing record as well…
        • RespectDaBestRM says:

          November 18, 2007 at 12:54 am

          shoppach might not be ready to be an everyday catcher but were not asking that from him. he’ll be splitting time with castro for the next 2 years, and after thatm we’ll be able to evaluate if hes an everyday player or not.
          cliff lee is 2 years removed from an outstanding year.
          hes under 30 years old and a lefty, who had a couple of successful seasons in the past (he’s an a little older version of oliver perez) but perez has the ceiling to be an ace, lee has the ceiling for a very solid #2.
          we also get a stud reliever who had an under 2 era in the american league and had a lot of strikeouts.
          it will keep us from signing a reliever for 3 years and 12 million and maybe the guy turns out to be our closer after wagner.
    • BSMITTYFDNY says:

      November 17, 2007 at 11:19 pm

      Stickguy you are on the right track my man. As I wrote above Garza solves many issues. We get him and we dont have to overpay for a Silva type. I would go a step further and use money to lock up Maine and Perez to long term deals now like we did with Reyes and Wright. Then we have 3 very good young pitchers for our future. They would probably sign reasonable deals in order to get peace of mind in getting contracts now. Also as you said we then can go cheap with an innings eater like Jennings or Livan Hernandez for one year deals. Maine, Perez, and Garza is a nice trio to have in any rotation.
      • TilMetsDoUsPart says:

        November 17, 2007 at 11:33 pm

        Are we forgetting about Pelfrey?
    • ReyesRocks says:

      November 17, 2007 at 11:23 pm

      I really like these ideas.
      IF Garza can be obtained, it certainly SHOULD be done.
      It certainly frees up other possibilities for pitching, catching AND second base, although I legitimately believe Eckstein would certainly be a good pickup for second.

      If a pitcher like Garza is obtained, then going after someone like Johjima makes an awful lot of sense. Especially if we can keep Milledge.

      A Starting staff of Pedro, Maine, Perez, Garza and Livan/Silva or Pelfrey is certainly servicable. IMO Livan for innings eater plus tons of exp.

      And a lineup of
      Reyes
      Eckstein
      Wright
      Beltran
      Delgado
      Alou
      Milledge
      Johjima
      is very dangerous.
      • BSMITTYFDNY says:

        November 17, 2007 at 11:34 pm

        What do you think of my idea above of trying to lock up Maine and Perez to reasonable long term deals now? And if we get Garza consider locking him up too? Then we have three very good arms for the foreseeable future at decent money. Reyes and Wright signed for the immediate security so maybe they would too?
        • ReyesRocks says:

          November 17, 2007 at 11:36 pm

          Absolutely yes.
      • TilMetsDoUsPart says:

        November 17, 2007 at 11:34 pm

        I wouldn’t get any catcher via trade. Trading prospects for a solid 8 hitter isn’t what I have in mind…
        • ReyesRocks says:

          November 17, 2007 at 11:43 pm

          Johjima hit .287 last year in 135 games.
          He had 139 hits with 14 HomeRuns.
          On many teams he really isn’t a number 8 hitter.

          Defensively, he threw out 39% of runners, very above average.

          Because of Jeff Clement, the Mariners BIG TIME MLB ready prospect, the Mariners could be looking to move Johjima who will be a free agent next year.

          I believe he can be had, at a reasonable deal
          Perhaps Humber, Mulvey, plus
        • ReyesRocks says:

          November 17, 2007 at 11:49 pm

          I meant Humber OR Mulvey plus
        • TilMetsDoUsPart says:

          November 17, 2007 at 11:51 pm

          Humber’s value is slim to none, and I really would love to keep Mulvey. I understand Johjima is good, but I really wouldn’t mind just signing a 2 or 3 year guy and wait for our two young catching prospects.
        • BSMITTYFDNY says:

          November 18, 2007 at 1:05 am

          If Humbers value is low then why give him away for an ok catcher? I like him alot and think he is going to be better than people think so I would rather keep him.
        • stickguy says:

          November 18, 2007 at 9:29 am

          he probably has more value than you think. It seems that young pitching is a hot commodity, so I imagine plenty of teams would be happy to grab some more.

          If he really isn’t going to bring much of value back, it makes no sense to trade him, since the Mets don’t have that much pitching depth.

          Either keep him developing in AAA, waiting until they need him (or for a later trade), or use him out of the Pen where he could really help. Has to be a better option than Sele!
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