SNY.tvBLOG NETWORKSCHEDULESTATSSTANDINGS VIDEO Headlines:

Matthew Cerrone

Recap: Minaya on Conference Call
By Matthew Cerrone - Nov 19, 2007 7:09 pm

During a conference call with reporters tonight, Mets GM Omar Minaya said…

He discussed Jon Garland with the White Sox during the GM Meetings.

He looked in to David Eckstein, because he is ‘a big Eckstein fan,’ before signing Luis Castillo.

He is working with his staff, mulling through options at catcher, where there are options available on both the free-agent and trade market.

He has left a message with Paul Lo Duca’s agent.   

However, he is very happy that they were able to re-sign Ramon Castro, because he ‘has the ability’ to be an every day guy, if given the opportunity.  However, he hopes to add to what they have at catcher, improving their situation by spring training.

By the way, he says other teams were interested in Castro, whose agent added that other teams viewed Castro the same way the Mets do. 

Regarding Yorvit Torrealba, he would only say that a deal could not get done.  He would not answer whether Torrealba had a physical, and he would not comment on whether an offer was ever actually made. 

…honestly, my sense is that the team got wind of something, most likely something to do with yorvit’s shoulder, and so they backed off, and will not talk about it, either for legal reasons or out of respect to the player…again, that’s just a general sense, given all information, and the way omar stuttered and stammered through a few of these questions

He is comfortable that he can do what he needs to with the prospects he has, and other teams view his player’s as ‘premium guys.’  Also, he says he believes he has enough talent, be it ‘a prospect or from the major-league roster,’ to acquire both a starting pitcher and a catcher via trade, if need be.

Lastly, he is comfortable ‘going young’ in right field with Lastings Milledge, or Carlos Gomez, or Endy Chavez, if need be, though, if he must fill the void, there are players in the free-agent market that he is comfortable with.

101 Responses to “Recap: Minaya on Conference Call”

  1. mr_met says:

    can we bring back mighty joe

    • RespectDaBestRM says:

      can someone explain to me why minnesota wouldnt accept the following deal for santana.
      gomez, fmart, humber, gotay and guerra/mulvey

      We get santana and still have milledge and pelfrey

      and next years holes would be in left and 1st base

      and with delgado, alou, mota, pedro among the ppl coming off (more than 35) thats more than enough to sign santana to an extension and sign tiexeira

      • RespectDaBestRM says:

        atleast 35 mil coming off the payroll next year, plus add in the new stadium.
        my opinion, if pedro stay healthy this year and ends up with 15-8 3.50 era, he should definately come back and be the opening day starter in the new stadium

      • Achilles400 says:

        5 or 6 minor leaguers that barely qualify as blue chip? Gee, I don’t know.

        • christian warrior says:

          Seriously.

          The funniest thing about some of the guys on this site is that they go way overboard when valuing the Met prospects. No team in all of MLB values the Met prospects as high as Omar Minaya and Matt Cerrone do.

        • TilMetsDoUsPart says:

          Tell that to Bill Smith and Joe Christenson.

        • rd says:

          I actually think it’s the other way around. Seems the typical met fan under values our prospects. Keep in mind these guys are very young and raw, and have to be compared to the other young, in some instances triple A guys around the majors.

      • TilMetsDoUsPart says:

        Buddy, the Twins want some proven bats that can help them IF they trade Santana and also want “elite” pitching in return.

        Giving them 4 mid level prospects and an amazing prospect that is miles away won’t convince them.

        • RespectDaBestRM says:

          which one was the amazing prospect

        • TilMetsDoUsPart says:

          Martinez

        • christian warrior says:

          Martinez is not amazing.

        • TilMetsDoUsPart says:

          Baseball America and John Sickels seem to think so.

          I trust them more than you, my friend.

        • RespectDaBestRM says:

          fmart will be in AAA before 20 years old
          thats gotta mean something

        • christian warrior says:

          Trust whomever you want to. What has Martinez shown you at the ML level to make you believe he is “amazing”?

          I’ll help you out with this one, my friend…nothing.

          He has talent, for sure. Amazing? Overstated.

        • TilMetsDoUsPart says:

          Excuse me, but our interpretations of the word amazing are a little screwy. Seeing Fernando Martinez play was very interesting.

          Based on my views, BA’s views, and JS’s views, I know that he will sprout into something amazing.

          Top prospect on nearly every Top 100 list out there. Martinez.

        • christian warrior says:

          Amazing?

        • christian warrior says:

          “Based on my views, BA’s views, and JS’s views, I know that he will sprout into something amazing.”

          Huh? Are you kidding? Do I really have to start naming guys that John Sickels and Baseball America went on about who wound up being nothing? It’s potential, that’s all.

        • Hit The Weights Zeile says:

          christian warrior, basically according to your theory no one should ever trade for a minor leaguer bc they havent done anything at the major league level. youre basically saying some one has no value until they prove themselves in the big leagues, but why would you trade them after that if theyve already shown they have developed into what you thought they would.

      • plummetdown says:

        gomez, fmart, humber, gotay and guerra/mulvey all are unproven……..

        twins want something proven. these guys haven’t done anything in the majors.

        there basically ulitey players.

        YOU HAVE TO GIVE UP SOMETHING TO GET THE BEST PITCHER IN BASEBALL.

        (milledge and pelfrey, gomez, and humber) that might get you in the door.

        say john maine and milledge?

        or

        david wright?

        or
        reyes?

        if i was the twins thats what i would be asking for.

        not players who hasn’t done anything in the majors.

        • 4JoeOrsulak says:

          gomez, fmart, humber, gotay and guerra/mulvey for Santana

          It’s amazing how many posters here would run the Mets to the ground if this franchise was there to run. Steve Phillips seems more the rule than the exception.

          What do these geniuses plan to do when we need a left fielder, a center fielder, a second baseman, and an inexpensive starter?

          These same folks will probably say, “We’ll get Eckstein, because he hustles! and an “innings eater” like Silva!”

          We’re given a great blessing with Ollie Perez, John Maine, Wright, and Reyes on the cheap, and some of these guys will manage to screw it up regardless.

    • rd says:

      Milledge and or Gomez will very likely be gone in obtaining pitching and or a catcher. That leaves Endy in right field. Endy is an exceptional bench outfielder, great defense, but not an every day right fielder. Hope Omar has a plan to fill that spot.

  2. dwright5jreyes7 says:

    very encouraging interview. or @ least more encouraging then most of omar’s interviews.

    steller job Matthew

  3. Achilles400 says:

    Forgive me, but did Matt perform an interview?

    • dwright5jreyes7 says:

      nope…but isnt matt on the phone or w/e. more direct quotes than usual no matter how they come

  4. blow me says:

    omar just poured the proverbial kool-aid…who’s drinkin’ it?

    very smart of him to include you on the call matt…he’s gotta know he can reach the majority of the fan base thru you…if i were you i dont know if i could ever wrap my head around that!

  5. Metro41 says:

    Do the Mets become players for Fukudome if they have a deal to move Millege?

    • Meddler says:

      With Jose Guillen getting busted, I’d imagine it would either be that or go with a Gomez/Chavez platoon, which might not actually be a horrible idea if they split time just about evenly.

      • christian warrior says:

        Of course it’s a bad idea.

        Chavez has not proven that he can handle the workload of an entire season. He has also not proven that he understands he is not a power hitter.

        Gomez has proven that he can go get the ball, and that he is not yet a ML hitter.

        Where do you get a good idea out of that?

    • TilMetsDoUsPart says:

      I wouldn’t doubt it…. He is probably the best deal available on the market. But all things considered, Lastings Milledge will only leave if the Mets get something big in return, like Bedard, Cabrera, Santana or even Blanton.

      I feel like at this point that Omar knows better than to sign mediocrity, and will probably reel in a young arm via trade, and Garza seems like the best deal on hte market. It seems obvious that Milledge will be the starter in right field, leaving not only Gotay, but Gomez as an option to trade.

      I fully expect the Mets to pursue Garza, and use Gomez and Gotay in the deal, while excluding key young pieces like Heilman, Milledge, Martinez, Guerra, Pelfrey or Mulvey.

      What I’ve gathered from the media is that many teams view Gomez as highly as they view Melky, and rightfully so. There is no doubt that if the Mets have Hernandez on the roster, the bullpen will be set with Hernandez, Sosa, Feliciano, Schoeneweis, Sanchez, Heilman and Wagner. I also expect Pelfrey to occupy the 5 spot. So whether it be getting a guy like Garza (my hopes) or a guy like Silva (my worst nightmare), they will occupy the 4 spot in the rotation.

      • Meddler says:

        If by that you mean Gomez right now has the same value as Melky right now then fine, but Gomez will be at least Melky. His bat may not turn out much better, but he already plays a better CF, has more raw speed and natural athleticism, plus obviously he’s only 21. His bat by all accounts is his weakest “tool” but his other tools are so far beyond that of his immediate peers that developing any kind of bat should make him a very valuable player, more valuable than Melky, who likely won’t retain his speed and defensive abilities and has shown little growth with the bat. The only thing Melky really has going over Gomez right now is a more refined and accurate throwing arm, which is something Gomez will have every chance to develop. He has the power in his throws, but needs to work on accuracy.

        • christian warrior says:

          Gomez has tools, of that there is no doubt.

          But I have to disagree with you when you say that his tools “are so far beyond that of his immediate peers that developing any kind of bat should make him a very valuable player”.

          Huh?

          Sure, Gomez has speed. Lots of guys do, and I bet there are a few of Gomez’s “immediate peers” who would argue that they have more of it than he does.

          Why is it likely that Melky won’t retain his speed and defensive abilities? What does that even mean? Has there ever been a more speculative statement than that?

          Melky has a bit more going for him than Gomez at this point. He has proven that he can hit ML pitching, and is without a doubt a more refined player than Gomez is.

          I hope that Gomez turns out being an All-Time Great for the Mets, but you are handing credit to Gomez that he has not yet earned.

        • TilMetsDoUsPart says:

          Gomez certainly has an ability to make solid contact with the ball.

          His speed is beyond that of anybody in the league, including Joey Gathright. His glove is phenominal. He has shown the ability to make contact in professional baseball.

          Now, the question is whether he can gauge MLB pitchers. He has shown the ability to hit the ball well, and had an injury.

          Melky has a body similar to Miguel Cabrera. He has a very average bat and a nice glove. He has a whole lot of fanfare, because Yankees fans have very little perception of their prospects’ values, and Melky’s name is funny.

          Did anyone say that he is an all star for certain? No. They said his abilities rival that of a somewhat talented centerfielder who has a lot of value for a reason that seems unexplainable.

          I give credit where credit is due.

        • christian warrior says:

          Like I said, he has speed.

          But to say that he is the fastest man in baseball?

          He is still a minor league ballplayer.

        • christian warrior says:

          “He has a whole lot of fanfare, because Yankees fans have very little perception of their prospects’ values”/i>

          I love this statement you made about Melky. I especially love to read that statement and then look over all of the posts that people make about Met prospects. Seems the Met fans and Yankee fans have something in common after all.

          And I am still not convinced that Gomez is due all of the praise that you are showering upon him. Gomez hasn’t even played himself into a ML roster spot yet.

        • christian warrior says:

          And by the way, my last post should not have been in all italics.

        • TilMetsDoUsPart says:

          I understand about your Italic woes, but I don’t overestimate any Mets prospects.

          I read about them from Baseball America, John Sickels, and media sources that cover them.

          All I’m saying is that Gomez has brilliant potential. It is fact that he is one of the fastest men in baseball — he clocked a lower time than Reyes — and his ability to be a phenomenal hitter (excuse my spelling…?), that convinces me so.

          I expect that he have some power, and that he needs to have an MLB mindset at the plate. I think that with these two things he could easily be a .280/.340/.440 guy, and with his speed, that is very attractive. I actually expect him to be a .280/.350/.450 guy if he can really hone his skills at an MLB level. He also has an amazing glove.

          I said that he and Melky are comparable young men, seemingly of similar value, and that I’d take a guy like Gomez at my expectancies any day over Melky, and I think that Gomez, Gotay and Humber would be a beautiful offer to send to Minnesota fo Garza.

        • christian warrior says:

          You speak of expectations. You are are a Met fan just as I am. Have you learned nothing over the years about valuing a young player based on the expectations put on him?

          Absolutely none of the facts, and I don’t doubt that you have stated all facts, show that Gomez or Martinez are locks to be successful at the ML level. It just rarely translates that way, and you are already dumping the prestige on them.

          I say when they show they can handle the nasty pitching at the ML level, I’ll gush about them right along with you.

        • TilMetsDoUsPart says:

          I am speaking of value, reasonable expectations.

          I only gush about Gomez’s raw ability, and his trade value, and that I reasonably expect him to put up numbers comparable to Melky, should he get more hitting training at a AAA level.

          If I guaranteed that he be better than Cabrera, forgive me, that’s not what I implied.

          I also was only “gushing” of his apparent trade value for Garza.

      • 4JoeOrsulak says:

        I actually like Gomez better than Melky to tell you the truth.

        Melk seems to have come closer to his ceiling, and he’s a sub-par outfielder hitting and fielding wise on a stacked lineup.

        Of course, Melky has proven more than Gomez at this point.

  6. icedrake523 says:

    Wake me up when there’s a conference call announcing Johan Santana has been traded for and extended through 2014.

  7. Wayneo says:

    The fact that Omar is “a big Eckstein fan” scares me to death.

    • kendychavez says:

      even scarier: the fact that he’s comfortable starting gomez in right.

    • m00kie says:

      I think omar used eckstein to get castillo .. as soon as it came out that the price for castillo was high, this whole “we’re interested in eckstein” thing came around, they went out to dinner, etc, and then suddenly a deal is cemented with castillo.

    • NYMBosco says:

      Omar is full of it! If he was a big eckstein fan he would have signed him! He doesn’t speak spanish so signing him was out of the question (the part omar left out in the conference)

  8. jaxson says:

    Did anyone hear how close the Phillies came to signing Mike Lowell? Apparently they offered 4 years and around 50 million, which he almost took. Instead he stays with the Sox for 12 million less – Thank God! He would have done well in that joke of a ball park. The Mets need to get moving.

  9. genius says:

    “if need be”…..this is a whole lotta nothing. 3rd place.

    • TilMetsDoUsPart says:

      Why do people with genius in their name turn out to be boneheads?

      There is a need to trade for a starting pitcher. If Bob Barker… Excuse me… Drew Carey says that the Price Is Right, Omar will make a deal happen.

  10. ReyesRocks says:

    Had Eskstein been available for less than Castillo, he’d have been the better option. Naturally, he should’ve been “looking into” him.

    Given that the everyone is so reluctant to say why the Torrealba deal died, I believe more and more that there was something either an injury or drugs, and the Mets just backed out because of that.

    I strongly don’t think Santana is gonna be the guy that’s traded to us. A deal for Garza seems much more beneficial to us and likely, yet I strongly believe that the deal that actually happens is gonna go un reported until it’s actually a done deal. The FO is VERY good and keeping things on the down low. I wouldn’t discount the possibility of Omar aquiring a catcher, or a right feilder in a trade, while having a John Maine or Oliver Perez type “throw in” included in the deal. Plus, keeping prospects in our system, is going to be much more beneficial to us than trading in all away or one pitcher.

    • christian warrior says:

      Could you explain to me why it is that trading for Matt Garza would be more beneficial to the Mets than trading for Johan Santana?

      • metinDC23 says:

        Because Santana’s best days are most likely behind him while Garza’s are most likely ahead. Garza would be waaaaay cheaper (we could probably hold onto Milledge and Pelfry). He’s younger and cheap but not really a prospect anymore- most people would agree he has proven it at the major league level and expect big things from him.

        Honestly, I don’t know why the hell the Twins would ever trade him.

        • metinDC23 says:

          Thats just my opinion though. And Santana would stillbe awesome….

        • squad says:

          I actually like your opinion better than the “trade for santana” opinions.

        • christian warrior says:

          I am all for trading for Garza. He is good, and he is young.

          But I do not think that a trade for Garza is more beneficial to the Mets than trading for the best pitcher in baseball. Not by a long shot. And not just because it allows us to hold on to Lastings Milledge. That’s a small market mentality.

        • gowrightgo says:

          Agreed. If we trade Heilman, Milledge and Mulvey for Bedard, then turning around and trading Gomez for Garza straight up would sound reasonable.

          Rotation of
          Bedard
          Pedro
          Maine
          Ollie
          Garza

          Need an outfielder and one more back of the pen guy though.

          Is it a given that Duque moves to the pen next season? Has anyone in the METS front office spoken to this at all?

      • sylvan says:

        Giving away every young player you’ve got for one guy is risky. Matt Garza is 23 years old and has already shown he can beat American League hitting. He will come far cheaper than Santana, and once you have him, you control him for several years at a very reasonably salary. He’s not necessarily a better choice than Santana, but he may still be a very good choice.

    • darkstar73 says:

      answer the Warrior! he demands your response! Enter into arguement at your own risk…ah, all in good fun CW, but anyway man, you’re certainly banging away at your title tonight…the anti-Cerrone…keeping the half glass full guys in check. While Omar and Cerrone may judge our prospects to be better than they are, I’m not sure anyone judges them to be so poor as you sir. We all know Martinez hasn’t done anything yet, but most prospects haven’t, thats why its called potential, he just happens to have loads of it, and teams do look for that. As for Gomez, if he had a regular job, he *would* be one of the fastest men in baseball, there’s simply no denying that. Yes, many prospects have speed, but this kid isn’t like that. I realize his hitting may never pan out, but his speed truly is something special.

      • christian warrior says:

        Absolutely no argument with what you say.

        I just love it when I get to spend so much time reading posts that heap all of these accolades upon a guy who has not even set foot in a big league stadium. I actually don’t mean to be confrontational on this, but holding such unproven raw talent in such high regard actually makes me laugh.

    • BSMITTYFDNY says:

      Why would we ever throw a Maine or Perez into a deal? I consider them both as untouchable as Reyes and Wright. They are our two studs that we do have. If its me they both go nowhere.

  11. Slob says:

    He’s a big fan of Eckstein? Fire him.

  12. rogasm says:

    Endy Chavez is young?? He’s almost 29, not exactly a spring chicken in baseball terms.

  13. rogasm says:

    sorry, i meant he IS 29…almost 30.

  14. innaword says:

    Maybe Torrealba is on Mitchell’s steroid-probe hit and after Mota, Omar didn’t want to take another hit?

    The Boston Globe’s Web site last week reported that 11 current free-agent players are named in Mitchell’s report.

  15. MealTicket says:

    All of these packages (Gomez + Milledge + Humber + Pelfrey + Mulvery + Gotay, etc) sound like an awful lot for a one-year rental for Santana.

    But I’m betting he doesn’t get traded at all and , like others are predicting, the Twins deal Garza now and we pick up Johan next year.

    • ReyesRocks says:

      I predict the Twins KEEP Santana, and the Mets overpay (yet keep a majority of their prospects still) and aquire a pitcher like Garza, although I don’t think it will actually BE Garza. Omar and company are a very tight lipped group, and I doubt any REAL deal would be rumored about.

  16. Juuu know what I'm Sayin? says:

    Well, it’s a good thing we didn’t sign Zito last off-season at least, right?

    http://www.mlbfleecefactor.com

  17. stickguy says:

    Gomez might be come a super star CF (Tori Hunter for th enext 10 years?)

    Garza might become an ace and win a couple of Cy Youngs.

    Or they might not.

    But right now, they are both enticing young talents, and since the Mets need a SP more than a CF, and the Twins have the opposite problem, a match made in heaven!

    Now that Gotay is extraneous, a deal of GOtay and GOmez, while giving up a lot, is certainly reasonable, and doesn’t hurt the Mets at all in 2008, or really beyond that.

    The only thing you are giving up is what else you can trade them for, but right now, Garza would be a great addition.

    Heck, Maybe Garza for GOmez straight up? Add Gotay and get a ML catcher back? Expand to add Humber and get another part back?

    Pedro, Maine, Perez, Garza and Pelfrey (with El Duque in case of emergency, and Humber and Mulvey getting ready at AAA) is a nice looking rotation, and could be dominant for yeatr to come.

    Even if Gotay and Gomez go, it leaves other parts (maybe HUmber, or lower tier guys like Carp) to deal for a catcher.

    Just please, no filler crap like Livan, where you still have to go and trade for someone decent anyway.

    • 4JoeOrsulak says:

      Yes; thank you.

    • TilMetsDoUsPart says:

      If you have a brain on your shoulders — I’m not implying that Twins GM BIll Smith does — you’d know that a highly valued young stud like Garza isn’t worth a “B” level prospect like Carlos Gomez. Especially when Delmon Young — considered to be much better and more valued than Lastings Milledge — is also one of the Twins’ target. It will take Gomez and Gotay at least.

      • BSMITTYFDNY says:

        When did Gotay become so valuable? Dont get me wrong, I like him but is he a dealbreaker? If throwing him in with Gomez gets us Garza I say go ahead.

        • gowrightgo says:

          Agreed.

          Does it upset any of you that we do a pretty lousy job of pumping our youthful players successes? For example, Maine, who deserved to be an all star at the halfway point last year and finished the year by almost throwing a no hitter, should be talked about all over baseball as the next big thing. Gotay, a guy who hit .340 with some pop for the better part of a half season, should be promoted big team to be a future allstar with serious pop and switch hitting ability.

          Promote Promote Promote.

          Other teams do a far better job at this than the METS and in the end, we toss in a Gotay as an afterthought on a deal where he could be the centerpiece.

          Example A – Yankees and Melky Cabrera. If he were a MET, he would be a toss in. a mediocre fielding, mediocre hitting with no power guy. Yet if you read the papers, he would be the centerpiece in a deal with the Twins for Santana. Milledge would absolutely out everything Cabrera but we don’t get the pub. All we hear is that Milledge would be nowhere near enough to even land Blanton or Garza

  18. anothermetsfaninla says:

    We might have to start looking at the other Santana (Ervin) instead. He’s likely available now that the Angels signed Garland and needs a fresh start. Another project for The Jacket!

    • TilMetsDoUsPart says:

      We can’t afford another all out project… I’d rather take Garza for Gotay, Gomez and Humber.

      Plus, I’m going to bet that he’ll be in a package with Brandon Wood and Sean Rodriguez for Miguel Cabrera. It’s obvious that the Angels have a plan to trade for a big hitting infielder.

  19. PDubs says:

    LoDuca is on the Mitchell report. He is one of the 11 that is implicated. Can’t say I’m shocked, but it at least explains why the Mets don’t want him back.

    • jerseymetsfan says:

      mets don’t want him back due to his they speak english comment, insulted omar prized puppies

  20. Meddler says:

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/11/astros-close-to.html

    It looks like Johnny Estrada may be replacing Jason Kendall on the FA market. Its obviously not much difference coming off the seasons they had, but Estrada’s younger and his a little more pop. I might actually be able to stomach him as a last resort, especially if Castro gets his share of ABs.

  21. a817 says:

    hey did i hear right? i heard keith law on espn.com on the hot stove video..that mets rejected a deal for garza when they asked for gomez… WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY THINKING? THEY HAVE 2 OTHER OUTFEILD PROSPECTS!!!!! maybe if victor zambrano is available they might trade fmart

    • BSMITTYFDNY says:

      Is this true? Give me the link please. I will kill Omar if he turned down Gomez for Garza! Garza is a stud pitcher and Gomez is extremelly expendable.

    • stickguy says:

      unless there was a lot more to that deal, Omar might be nuts.

      Is Gomez going to be that valuable to the Mets this year, or be able to fetch even bigger fish?

      Gomez for Garza looks like a no brainer for a team that needs some talent added to the rotation.

      If we end up with Livan instead stinking up the rotation, and GOmez scuffling in AAA, than it makes no sense at all.

      Omar can wait all he wants and hoard chips, but is there really going to be anyone available better than Garza?

      • BSMITTYFDNY says:

        Just went and watched this Kieth Law Hot Stove Video on ESPN.com. He did say that Omar turned down an offer from the Twins of Gomez for Garza. I hate Omar right now. That is the stupidest decision he has made as GM. This will be one of his biggest regrets. Thanks Omar. You just really screwed this team. I cant get over this. Matt, can you organize a poll to see if your readers would do that deal and then get in touch with Omar to let him know we want him to do it. Please Matt use your power to pull some strings. I beg of you.

  22. a817 says:

    yea the video is on espn.com, go to the mlb section then click on a video called hot stove report.

  23. a817 says:

    I AM SOOO MAD RIGHT NOW!!!

  24. a817 says:

    and to correct you the stupidest decision he made was last year when he rejected a trade for haren for milledge and someone else i am pretty sure it was heilman. This just adds to the list

  25. DrownTown says:

    I support Omar for the time being. There are things that will take time to get over, e.g. Kazmir, especially at this point, but I am willing to give him yet another chance to do us right. Initially I did not like the signing of Castillo, especially to a 4 year deal, but I think his reasoning is pretty crystal clear. He also turned down a Gomez and maybe a little more for Garza deal, which could have been great. But I think what he is doing is trying to catch the big fish. He didn’t shut the door permanently on Garza, he’s just waiting on Santana. It’s good to know that the Twins really want Gomez. Its also good to have Castillo(Santana’s good friend) locked into a 4 year deal whilst Santana has a no-trade clause in his contract and only one year left. You do the math, Omar needs to fix this off season and from the looks of it he may be making a big push for Santana come the winter meetings, if the Twins don’t lock him down by then.

    • IronMike954 says:

      Ive only read the first sentence of your post, but Omar had nothing to do with trading away Kazmir…that was the brilliant Steve Phillips and Jim Duquette tandem…shame on you for not knowing who made one of the the top 3 worst moves in the past decade….dare I say of all time?…in Mets history. But now you have learned where to direct that hate. Right at that tool on ESPN by the name of Steve “Mo Vaughn-Robbie Alomar-Kaz Matsui” Phillips. AKA: Steve “I SIGNED: Mo Vaughn-Robbie Alomar-AND BROUGHT BACK: Jeremy Burnitz and Roger Cedeno-all in the same F-ING season” Phillips

    • IronMike954 says:

      DrownTown, although i was critical of your lack of knowledge in which GM traded away (im sorry, i threw up in my mouth a bit when i think about this—happens everytime)….I commend you on your knowledge of Santana’s very strong friendship w/ Louis Castillo…hes also close with Reyes from what ive heard. Johan was quoted at the dead-line last year when Castillo came here, as saying some pretty serious stuff. Something along the lines of, “if theyre gonna keep trading away for prospects and keep trying for next year, its not fair to guys who have been here awhile like Torrie and I. Instead of trading to improve, we let our best players go via trade or FA. Im not gonna wait for NEXT YEAR, every season.” Or something to that tune.

  26. IronMike954 says:

    my italics didnt come out quite as id hoped, but u get my point

  27. stickguy says:

    I’m still steamed. If Omar really did reject Gomez for Garza, then add me (finally) to the HE Must go list.

    Some times a GM gets so fascinated by a certain guy and his “potential” that they lose the forest for the trees.

    maybe Omar really thinks he will be a superstar. Well, the Mets don’t ned him (and he won’t be a productive ML starter) probably for a couple of years yet.

    However, they could desperately need a guy like Garza right now. And based on all the ridiculous trade proposals (and asking prices), young, cheap, good SPs with high end potential are rare, and expensive.

    There is always another GOmez coming along (mere bling at this point).

    If ture, they wil live to regret this deal, when they end up paying more for Blanton (already an inferior pitcher to Garza), or give up the farm for an “ace (Gomez + way, way more) and end up with little to no improvement in the rotation, but more holes elsewhere.

    I would take Garza for GOmez right now over Santana for GOmez + pelfrrey + Mulvey + Gotay (or whatever it ended up being) when you sonsider all the factors (age, contract, $$).