Comments on: Note: Brazell DFA’d http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/21/note-brazell-dfad/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: PedroMANIA http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/21/note-brazell-dfad/#comment-45905 PedroMANIA Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:26:56 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/21/note-brazell-dfad/#comment-45905 he also wanted to trade Wright for Jose Cruz Jr back when he was on Toronto he also wanted to trade Wright for Jose Cruz Jr back when he was on Toronto

]]> By: PedroMANIA http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/21/note-brazell-dfad/#comment-45904 PedroMANIA Wed, 21 Nov 2007 20:25:02 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/21/note-brazell-dfad/#comment-45904 drafting is more on the scouts adivising the GM who to take, so give him credit - just not that much credit drafting is more on the scouts adivising the GM who to take, so give him credit – just not that much credit

]]> By: Number41 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/21/note-brazell-dfad/#comment-45639 Number41 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:51:06 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/21/note-brazell-dfad/#comment-45639 So I guess my real question boils down to, who takes the place of Galvine and possible El Duk come April, if we reserve all our "chips" for a possible Santana deal in July? So I guess my real question boils down to, who takes the place of Galvine and possible El Duk come April, if we reserve all our “chips” for a possible Santana deal in July?

]]> By: BigHangWithEm http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/21/note-brazell-dfad/#comment-45635 BigHangWithEm Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:46:39 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/21/note-brazell-dfad/#comment-45635 But 41 it's not up to the Mets or the Twins it's up to Johan. He has all the leverage in this situation. He can't be traded without his "consent" (accepting a long term contract before the trade is completed). Face it, Johan is not being traded this offseason. The Twins already have over $30M invested in 5 players (Nathan, Mauer, Morneau, Cuddyer, Santana) for next season. Why would they dump Johan and write this year off? They are going to try and make one last run with Johan. But 41 it’s not up to the Mets or the Twins it’s up to Johan. He has all the leverage in this situation. He can’t be traded without his “consent” (accepting a long term contract before the trade is completed).

Face it, Johan is not being traded this offseason. The Twins already have over $30M invested in 5 players (Nathan, Mauer, Morneau, Cuddyer, Santana) for next season. Why would they dump Johan and write this year off? They are going to try and make one last run with Johan.

]]> By: Number41 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/21/note-brazell-dfad/#comment-45616 Number41 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:38:58 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/21/note-brazell-dfad/#comment-45616 Granted. But with the state of our starting rotation are we in any shape to play this game of showdown; who will blink first; and take a chance of not adding to our starting rotation at all. "The longer the Twins wait" the less options Omar is left with to make essential additions to starting pitching. Look no futher back than last year waiting for Zito to sign with us...and waiting....and waiting. Then should Santana not come to Queens; what have we to show for our off season? Do you understand my concern? Mets do not have a staff that really allows them to play these games of chicken. They need to make actual, concrete improvements to the rotation before April. Granted.
But with the state of our starting rotation are we in any shape to play this game of showdown; who will blink first; and take a chance of not adding to our starting rotation at all.
“The longer the Twins wait” the less options Omar is left with to make essential additions to starting pitching.
Look no futher back than last year waiting for Zito to sign with us…and waiting….and waiting.
Then should Santana not come to Queens; what have we to show for our off season?
Do you understand my concern? Mets do not have a staff that really allows them to play these games of chicken. They need to make actual, concrete improvements to the rotation before April.

]]> By: kidderek http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/21/note-brazell-dfad/#comment-45591 kidderek Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:12:36 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/21/note-brazell-dfad/#comment-45591 Exactly! The Twins can demand this guy and that guy, but the buyers will dictate whom they give up. The longer the Twins wait, the less they will receive in return. Exactly! The Twins can demand this guy and that guy, but the buyers will dictate whom they give up. The longer the Twins wait, the less they will receive in return.

]]> By: kidderek http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/21/note-brazell-dfad/#comment-45587 kidderek Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:10:46 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/21/note-brazell-dfad/#comment-45587 Actually a good trade helps both teams, period. No daydreaming here. Teams will not give up studs for Santana. The Yankees are the best at hyping up their prospects. But, we'll see. We're going to have to part ways with perhaps Gomez/FMart, Milledge and a pitcher. Actually a good trade helps both teams, period.

No daydreaming here. Teams will not give up studs for Santana. The Yankees are the best at hyping up their prospects. But, we’ll see.

We’re going to have to part ways with perhaps Gomez/FMart, Milledge and a pitcher.

]]> By: kidderek http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/21/note-brazell-dfad/#comment-45584 kidderek Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:05:43 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/21/note-brazell-dfad/#comment-45584 The problem with "good" pitchers is that they pitch .500 and desperately rely on middle relief. Lest we forget Johan is a stud who will compete for the Cy Young every year. Should I bother mentioning that he's entering his prime? I wouldn't give up Reyes, but if he doesn't want to hustle, his attitude is cancerous Package every prospect we have. The time is now, we're only a few pieces away. FMart, Milledge (another cancer), Gomez, Mulvey, Humber, Pelfrey. Let the Twins pick any three and give them a fourth as a bonus. The problem with “good” pitchers is that they pitch .500 and desperately rely on middle relief.

Lest we forget Johan is a stud who will compete for the Cy Young every year. Should I bother mentioning that he’s entering his prime?

I wouldn’t give up Reyes, but if he doesn’t want to hustle, his attitude is cancerous

Package every prospect we have. The time is now, we’re only a few pieces away. FMart, Milledge (another cancer), Gomez, Mulvey, Humber, Pelfrey. Let the Twins pick any three and give them a fourth as a bonus.

]]> By: BigHangWithEm http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/21/note-brazell-dfad/#comment-45582 BigHangWithEm Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:04:24 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/21/note-brazell-dfad/#comment-45582 41, Look at it this way, the Twins have very little leverage in any potential Santana deal. Either Johan exercies his limited no-trade clause or Johan turns down a long term deal which really scraps any megadeal the Twins had on the table. Essentially that means Reyes or Wright or virtually any other top tier prospect or young star player is likely out of the Twins reach. What will likely happen, Twins start the year with Johan, if they stumble by June he will be traded, as a rental, for whatever the Twins can get and he will be an unrestricted FA by November 2008. A Met by December 2008 41,

Look at it this way, the Twins have very little leverage in any potential Santana deal. Either Johan exercies his limited no-trade clause or Johan turns down a long term deal which really scraps any megadeal the Twins had on the table.

Essentially that means Reyes or Wright or virtually any other top tier prospect or young star player is likely out of the Twins reach.

What will likely happen, Twins start the year with Johan, if they stumble by June he will be traded, as a rental, for whatever the Twins can get and he will be an unrestricted FA by November 2008. A Met by December 2008

]]> By: Metro41 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/21/note-brazell-dfad/#comment-45572 Metro41 Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:56:59 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/11/21/note-brazell-dfad/#comment-45572 None of the other teams involved would offer a starting position player of Reyes' caliber and neither will the Mets. If the Twins trade Santana it will be because his contract requirements EXCEED Zito/Zambrano. That means that the team trading for him (NY, NY, LA, LA) has to be prepared for the largest P contract to date. Think $20M per year for 7 years. Having been burned before when Omar was on staff (see Hampton), the Mets would want to confirm the numbers before a trade and ensure that the player will sign. No window to talk, no deal. Exploring Mets history: Seaver had "economic" issues at the time he was traded because Mets management refused to pay him (foolishly). When the Mets traded the Franchise they received back: 1. A starting MLB #3-4 pitcher 2. A solid (not star) OF prospect at AAA 3. Spare part IF 4. Another "young" player If this were for Santana the equivilant would be: 1. Perez 2. Gomez or Millege 3. Gotay 4. Humber or Carp (a lower value player if Millege is included) Hampton wasn't the player that Seaver was, but he was viewed (and performed) as an Ace and he cost Dotel and Cedeno. Forget "emptying" the farm. The Mets best chance is to use Perez as bait. Yes, Perez is in his walk year but he will be much easier for the Twins to sign and even if he left, he'd be a high value FA and command a similar replacement package as Santana. This will hurt both sides as the Mets would be reluctant to move Perez . None of the other teams involved would offer a starting position player of Reyes’ caliber and neither will the Mets.

If the Twins trade Santana it will be because his contract requirements EXCEED Zito/Zambrano.

That means that the team trading for him (NY, NY, LA, LA) has to be prepared for the largest P contract to date. Think $20M per year for 7 years.

Having been burned before when Omar was on staff (see Hampton), the Mets would want to confirm the numbers before a trade and ensure that the player will sign. No window to talk, no deal.

Exploring Mets history: Seaver had “economic” issues at the time he was traded because Mets management refused to pay him (foolishly).

When the Mets traded the Franchise they received back:
1. A starting MLB #3-4 pitcher
2. A solid (not star) OF prospect at AAA
3. Spare part IF
4. Another “young” player

If this were for Santana the equivilant would be:
1. Perez
2. Gomez or Millege
3. Gotay
4. Humber or Carp (a lower value player if Millege is included)

Hampton wasn’t the player that Seaver was, but he was viewed (and performed) as an Ace and he cost Dotel and Cedeno.

Forget “emptying” the farm. The Mets best chance is to use Perez as bait. Yes, Perez is in his walk year but he will be much easier for the Twins to sign and even if he left, he’d be a high value FA and command a similar replacement package as Santana.

This will hurt both sides as the Mets would be reluctant to move Perez .

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