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In a recent report for SI.com, the great Jon Heyman writes that the Red Sox, Mets, Yankees and Dodgers ‘have what it takes’ to trade for A’s RHP Dan Haren.
According to Heyman, a package from the Mets including Lastings Milledge, Mike Pelfrey and Kevin Mulvey would be ‘reasonable.’ In fact, “Milledge looks like a goner from the Mets, writes Heyman, adding, “I am hearing his name so much in trade talks I am starting to think his nickname is Chip.”
Lastly, Heyman notes that the Mets have talked to the Nationals about Brian Schneider, the Orioles about Ramon Hernandez and the Rangers about Gerald Laird.
…sorry, but i’m still stuck on Chip Milledge…
By the way, in addition to the above Mets information, Heyman also writes about Johan Santana, who will cost at least a center fielder and a pitcher; the market for Miguel Cabrera; and Mike Piazza, who is open to playing in Japan, should nothing pan out for him in MLB.
…paging Bobby Valentine…Mr. Bobby Valentine…seriously, if piazza ever joined Benny Agbayani and bobby on the Chiba Lotte Marines, i think i might actually start following that team…
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When you talk about trading with Billy Beane, the word “reasonable” doesn’t exist.
amen
With Beane’s love of Milledge, I think that package is a bit too much for Haren — who has so far in his career had a great half season.
And Heyman is a bonehead if he thinks that the Mets are giving away both Mulvey and Pelfrey in a deal but not Heilman.
And who is he to say that the Red Sox have what it takes to get Haren, when they specifically said that Buchholz, Pedroia and Ellsbury are untouchable openly?
These sports writers can get SO ignorant.
HA! Chip Millz!
If Piazza cant get a 1 year contract on a contender in the AL lets offer him a 1 day contract for 31 dollars so he can retire as a Met…..as my favorite player of all time i dont want to see him pull a mr baseball and get exiled to japan.
Why not let him and Castro platoon for the Mets…I’d go for that. Maybe 100 games for Castro and 62 for Mike.
unfortunately mike cant physically play the catcher position anymore. he had a severe shoulder issue last year that prevented him from being able to throw. as a fan of mikes i would want him to either retire or sign a 1 year deal with a team like detroit or anaheim so he has a chance to get that ring.
Please, Milledge was traded just the same in the press each of the past 2 offseasons. This is probably not even the first time that Heyman has used that “joke”.
Wake me up when he is actually traded.
Surely there is a chance that he is traded, but I am pretty sure that it’s the same chance that Carlos Gomez or Kevin Mulvey have of getting moved. If the value is right and Omar gets itchy, it might happen. He could also easily be back. Minaya will not trade Milledge just to trade him. That’s silly talk.
You’d rather ttrade Martinez than Milledge? I realize Milledge is a lot closer, but if what we hear about F-Mart is true, that really makes very little sense. Milledge fans just keep ratcheting up their estimates of this guy. No, people, he is not Grady Sizemore.
As a fan who likes Milledge and would love to see him as the starting RF and do well in NY, I’d much rather trade Martinez or Gomez with that package. Gomez doesn’t seem much more than Jason Tyner when he was a Mets prospect and Martinez is so young and we haven’t had a chance to like him yet. Even if one of those two guys turned out to be good, I’d rather keep Milledge and have him be good with us then go to Oakland and be good there. He could also blow for the Mets but there is something about him I like and would like to see him grow with the Mets like Reyes and Wright.
The fact is you never know with “prospects”. Everyone is ready to dump Gomez because he seems like the worst of the bunch…..based on a few ABs that he was rushed into at the MLB level. And now, everyone wants to keep F-Mart because they read his writeup on this site today….
I just happened to be looking at stuff for Bartolo Colon….and ran upon an article on his trade to the Expos…….and here is the writeup on one of the “prospects” given up…
“Grady Sizemore, OF, 19
The Expos signed Sizemore to a $2 million bonus to lure him away from a football scholarship to Washington in 2000. He’s a terrific athlete, but was hitting just .258 in the Florida State League. While’s he’s young for his league, his power has yet to develop (0 HRs, after just two last season in the Midwest League).”
You just never know w/ prospects….
I would say the only good rule is….if you are getting top tallent in return….it’s fine. How many people here would have little or no issue w/ the Kazmir trade if he was used to acquire the names he was linked to in the offseason and not Zambrano???
The K word…
*fighting seizures*
K word . . . hahahahahhahaa
I don’t see any logic in dealing Martinez, who probably won’t get you back nearly as much as he could produce at the major league level, when he hasn’t even proven to be able to bat at a AA level.
I just pray to God that the Dodgers head in Johan’s direction.
A deal may be possible with the O’s to send Gomez in a package with Heilman, Pelfrey and other young talents like Humber and Gotay to get Bedard, and we can keep Milledge to start.
But then again I might just be dreaming.
What I don’t quite understand in all this rush to trade Lastings is who exactly is going to play RF? Chavez seems better off the bench, Gomez isn’t ready yet, and I haven’t heard any OFs linked to the Mets.
I think that’s what makes Milledge more valuable to us than Gomez. He can play RF this year, Gomez can’t, and there really isn’t anyone else to replace him. Gomez should be used in a deal to get a pitcher.
aaron rowand? id take him on a 3 yr pact
So would I, but I’m sure he’s going to get a lot longer offers than that.
You would, Rowand wouldn’t.
Anyway Omar specifically stated that either Chavez, Gomez or Milledge are starting in right this year, so either he’s trading Gomez or hoping that he isn’t a bust.
But one thing is for sure, that one of Mulvey or Pelfrey will be gone, one of Gomez or Milledge will be gone, and I fully expect Gotay to be gone as well.
what Omar says in the press or in public forums is all said so that other GMs can read it. It’s posturing. He says Gomez or Millz are his starting Rfielders – he’s building the perception that they are MLB ready.
His plan has nothing to do with what he says publicly. He could very well be getting different deals from different teams and may be dealing both and getting back a player or signing a FA that we haven’t thought of.
Nothing is for sure.
Sign Andruw to a long term deal to play RF!!!!!!! His numbers will come back with a change in scenery
who cares who plays right field? sign cliff floyd or some other filler for a year. theres been talk of Fernando contributing.. he’s the real deal anyway
Haren is cheap and young and controlled and real real good.. and he doesnt cost soo much as to limit other moves.
While it is convenient to think that Milledge or Gomez or FMart can all basically contribute at the same level next year…It is very unlikely.
Gomez and certainly FMart need more time. Milledge is ready right now.
Factoring in the probabilty that Milledge is going to be at least very good and possibly more and can help our right now….I’d say he is the one least likely to be traded today.
However, if you knew you had Albert Pujols at AA who needed maybe a year more of seasoning and you had a 23 yr old Alex Rios ready to play but with likely a lower ceiling……what do you do?
Projection for each player IMO is
Milledge = Alex Rios type
Gomez = Hanley Ramirez type
FMart = Carlos Lee type (Bigger frame)
All very valuable
I’m not sure I agree that Gomez projects to anything like Hanley Ramirez. While both quick, Ramirez is probably the best offensive player in the NL and one of the worst defensive SS.
I don’t see Gomez developing much power. Gomez is great defensively, though. I’d say he projects to Juan Pierre with a great throwing arm and less batting average, but I’m not sure that’s too good either.
do you guys know anything about this kid? gomez is 6-4 195 at this young age. 195! where the hell do you get juan pierre from? by the time his body matures (age 25-27) he should be a powerful force. I hate it that people only think of this kid as a slap hitting lead-off man.
It takes a lot more than a frame to be a power hitter. I’ve never heard anyone rave about Gomez’s bat speed. The last thing he needs is to bulk up and lose the tools he has — the speed and the whip-like arm. Likening him to Hanley Ramirez is just reaching — picking a guy who is fast and happens to hit for power, too. Gomez’s top end scenario is Carl Crawford. Worst case, Roger Cedeno (later model Cedeno, that is, or Ochoa.
Actually he is linked to HanRam by many experts and analysts, and Carl Crawford isn’t too out of range either.
But other than the HanRam rejections I agree with your post fully.
i thnk milledge is more of a mike cameron “type”
Rios is 6′5 and is generating 24 HR and an 850 OPS as a 26 year old. with his frame that should only get better in the next three years as he bulks up
MIlledge is 6 foot (maybe) and is more like a stockier Cameron — 25 HR is probably his ceiling.
Sounds about right, except hopefully Milledge will hit higher for average and whiff a lot less than Mike “Windmill” Cameron.
Let’s not mistake what these guys could become with what they are. Remember — we do not have Alex Rios, Carlos Lee, or Hanley Ramirez (as an outfielder) in our system, and if the player is traded, we are NOT trading an all-star. We are trading a prospect who could be anything from a part-timer to a megastar. All of these guys have great upside, but there is nothing even close to guarantee that — even if they stay healthy — any of these guys turns out anything like the all-stars you’ve mentioned.
Of course you are right. No one knows what they will become. You can only take what is seen, written, talked about and scouted and then try to make your assessment from there. No doubt that it is difficult to project. Further, many prospects do flame out. But not most of them (at least not most of them that were talked about as jewels of a system). 15 years ago, guys were just names. Today, you can see their videos on youtube and there are at least a dozen sites who rank the teams prospects and the top 100 prospects in all of baseball. On our squad with Milledge, Pelfrey, Gomez and Fmart (all are or were ranked in the top 25 of all prospects in baseball, at least on baseballamerica.com )
Some prospects do become stars. We have a couple on our team right now. Wright and Reyes. Milledge has been talked about in his past as a sure fire bonafide star with developing power. Maybe he becomes that or maybe he becomes average for an outfielder but he will not disappear. He is definitely a ML player. I can’ t speak to some of the others just yet but you hear good things on all.
Point is we should not just abandon the prospects for decent players coming back out of fear that they won’t succeed. Either get the players back you expect for the kind of prospect you think ours are or simply wait it out and develop em here and play em.
I think a lot of people read those comparisons and begin to act like the prospect is already the player to whom he’s compared. I agree with your take, however, and am excited to see these guys develop. I think at least Milledge and Gomez are the kind of player the Mets should be putting in the outfield — speed, good defense (or it ought to be good eventually) and some pop — guys who will challenge for 40 doubles a year. Of the two, I tend to prefer Milledge because he seems to have a higher ceiling (notwithstanding the Hanley Ramirez comparisons.)
What I’m NOT excited about, however, is seeing Met pitching get shelled for the foreseeable future, and I do believe in the trickle down effects of an ace — as long as it’s really an ace, e.g., Santana. Under these circumstances, I can stand to see a Milledge go, fully understanding that there’s a very good chance he’s a star with another team.
I think a lot of fans tend to fall in love and over value prospects.. These are not proven MLB talent. for every top prospect there are many under the radar players who make it on grit and determination. Others get hurt and never make it. others never fully develop past a certain level.
Omar and Co are scouting the Caribbean and south America and US Colleges / High Schools and will turn up diamonds in the rough… no one is emptying the farm system.
My point is.. There are plenty of fish in the sea. If you can turn a prospect or two or three into a proven MLB starting pitcher you’ve got to do it every time. No one should say prospects are untouchable.
Who cares? Well if that is the case let’s bring back Shawn Green. Lots of people care. Every position matters.
We don’t know if FMart is anymore the real deal than everyone thought Alex Escobar was the real deal. FMart is still too young to be the real anything, not to mention scouts are very clear that at the major league level he just doesn’t have the glove/arm combination for outfield and should be moved to 1B. I’d like to do just that and keep FMart in the system to replace Delgado eventually.
Gomez was rushed due to injuries and despite the hype, having watched him play season, I am not ready and neither should anyone else be comfortable giving him the starting RF position this year. So, I would be fine moving him for Haren, but not Milledge.
I like Milledge, because he is passionate about the game and a historian of the game. What people see as immaturity, is actually youthful exuberance. He was cockier in the past, but has improved in the last year after regularly facing quality talent and realizing the game didn’t come as easy to him anymore. He will either have a breakout season in 2008 or 2009. He reminds me of Adrian Gonzalez or Brandon Phillips in terms of minor league hype, talent, and progression. Gonzalez didn’t have his breakout year until age 24 after 2 years as a bench player and Phillips was 25 before his breakout year after 4 years as a bench player. Blastings Thrilledge will have a breakout season of 15-25 HR 75-85 RBI in 2008 or 2009 and the following year, barring injury, will be 30hr 100 RBI in 2009 or 2010. After that, I expect Sheffield-like progression for the remainder of his career. Milledge is only 22 and while I suspect his best years will be in his 30s like Sheffield, he will become a consistent 30 hr-100rbi for some team within the next two years and I hope that team is the Mets.
I can’t stand it when people bring up Escobar as being a bust. He blew his knee out.
It’s not that Escobar was a bust, not at all. The point is that there are no “real deals” when it comes to prospects. Frankly, there are no “real deals” when it comes to anything. However, deals become more real the closer they are to actually being deals and FMart is still far away.
i dont think FMart is that far away..
He’s projected to contribute soon – potentially 2008 if there is an injury in Queens. certainly by 2009 in LF
He’ll be 20 this year. and he’s projected to be on the path of other 20 year olds who contributed MLB at bats.
My point is right fielders are much much easier to find than starting pitchers who give you 220 innings and miss bats.
Fernando is a five tool player. his Arm is very strong and he has excellent speed.
“Martinez can play center or right because he has a great arm,” said Rafael Bournigal, the Mets’ director of international scouting.
where does he project as a first baseman?
Dont compare anyone to sheffield.. he’s a roid head and a freak./
except for his 23 YO season when he clubbed 33 HR and hit 330 and his 27 YO season when he hit 42 he wasnt consistently over 30 HR until he learned how to juice correctly with the Dodgers after his 30tyh Bday.
I’d have to assume a Mets scout knows more about Fernando than I do, but when I saw him in a 2007 game in Trenton, he was playing center and not very impressive. I was excited about the game, telling my family about him, and going on about his age and the hype. Then he trots out to center… he certainly didn’t make a single good catch. His range was about as far as he could reach by a light trot. It seemed half the balls that flew out to center landed in front of him. I don’t remember any strong throws from him that day either. He showed a good eye at the plate, but definitely was outshone by Mike Carp.
I know he’s young for AA, but he’s certainly not a center fielder. I’m guessing LF or first baseman, based on his build alone. Maybe he was told to take it easy that day due to injury or something..no idea.
Rowand’s not coming here to be a RF, and he’s not taking a 3 year deal to do it either. I also happen not to want him, he’ll “hardnose” his way to a .250 with mediocre power… Give me L-MILLZ baby!
So you’d rather someone coast his way to .250 with mediocre power? Also, don’t the anti-grinder comments seem a little silly in the face of actual production?
Question – Piazza retires tomorrow does he go into the Hall as a Met or Dodger
We already lost Gary Carter to the Expos, I hope Mikey P wears the mets hat n the Hall of Fame
Hey Cerrone, maybe a poll? a little break from santana/haren/harden wouldnt hurt
I can’t believe he’d go in as a Dodger…he loves NY, we love him, he went to the world series here, 9/11…I’d be shocked if he doesn’t go in as a Met.
ditto!
He doesn’t have a choice. The Hall chooses ever since the Yankees and Padres pretty much paid Reggie and Winfield, respectively, to wear their hats.
The more time goes by, the more Piazza’s post-9/11 homer becomes the signature moment of his career. Doesn’t hurt that he played more years and more games with the Mets and went to a WS with them while with LA they never won a playoff game.
We all wanted Carter, but fact is he played twoce as long with Montreal. The choice is much clearer with Mike – I believe the Hall will choose the Mets.
Piazza spent more years here, hit more homers and most certainly had a much bigger rep here.
He serves as the word associaton of the Mets.
someone posted a comparison of Haren and Maine and there was little to no difference in their numbers of the last 2 years… I know people will bring up the AL/NL thing, but Haren’s been pitching in the offensively challenged AL West…I wouldn’t get too carried away with a package for him. I’d rather get Harden on the cheap; that dude’s got filthness. (I just made that word up)
I’d take another John Maine on this team rather than a Santana if it cost us less and we controlled the player longer (which a deal for Haren would likely be)
HArden would be like Ben SHeets….the injury history is just too robust to discount. You can’t drop big names for an injury risk. Just does not make sense.
Yes, Harden is filthy, but so is Kerry Wood and Mark Prior.
Haren also made 16 starts out of the division, and is much more developed.
And even if he is a more developed John Maine, I’d still welcome him with open arms… especially his 220 IP.
I know what everyone is thinking. And no, there is no way Omar can trade Chip Ambres- not for Haren, not for Santana, not for no one. He’s untouchable. He’s the franchise.
Omar, be smart and don’t make my Chip Ambres 1969 road vintage jersey seem like a bad investment.
Funny. Sadly, Chip was granted his free agency a few weeks back. I am sure the jersey will make for a good workout shirt… :-p
I get that feeling in my stomach that we’re not going to get either Santana or Haren. The Yankees and the Dodgers both have more “chips” to trade than we do.
I’m depressed. : (
Then go after Bedard. If the yanks get Santana, the Dodgers (who need hitters by the way), get Haren, and the REd Sox get Bedard (the red sox who have a $150M payroll now and have 5 solid starters for this season anyway)….
The Mets then need to turn around and try to pry the second tier guys away for less
Garza, Blanton, Snell, Gorzelanny, AJ Burnett, Lowry, Lincecum, Cain, Kazmir, etc
so far the Yankees are going for Santana and the Dodgers for Santana and Bedard.
The O’s won’t trade Bedard into the division, so either the Yankees get Santana and the Dodgers get Bedard, or the Yankees get Haren and the Dodgers get Santana.
Whoever is left we are probably front runners for, with the Cubs having a lack of anything.
I’m sure that Milledges name comes up al lthe time, but that doesn’t mean that Omar is offering him around to everyone.
Plus, I also think the LM will breakout bigtime, and soon. They really should keep him.
Haran really is a prospect still, since he hasn’t really put together a full season. Unlike Santana, that has established himself as an Ace.
Hey, if 1/2 season of all-star pitching is enough, then Maine is an Ace too!
Oh, go back a few years, and Maine was also a big time, can’t miss, SP prospect (best prospect in the Oriole system IIRC). So don’t sell him short.
Harden though is intriguing, I just don’t recall exactly what his injury problems are. If it is chronic elbow or shoulder, then stay away.
kind of an argument to keep pelfrey and develop him here rather than watch him go in a deal and become very good elsewhere.
This Year
1) sign silva, colon or hernandez (2007 free agent pitcher)
2) trade milledge, hielman, and humber for haren.
3) put pelfrey and el duque in the pen
4) sign andrew jones to a 4 yr contract (hopefully for $60 mil)
Next Year
1) let delgado walk
2) sign pedro and op if they had good years
3) sign either texiera or adam dunn for first base
4) sign either an ace or #2 pitcher
5) Trade our 2007 free agent pitcher pickup (alas kris benson trade)
6) put f mart or gomez in left field (whomever pans out)
yeah sounds perfect! NOT!!!
as long as there is a #1 or #2 pitcher available in free agency next year why can’t this work diehard
For This Year:
1) Why sign a guy before we make a deal? And even so I highly doubt that after 18 MLB starts that the Mets automatically bullpen Pelfrey, when his problem is the first inning and going deep into games.
2) There is no way adding Humber to a deal gets you Haren. Humber is trash with no trade value. Add Mulvey and Gotay or Pelfrey to the deal and you’re set. If you trade Pelfrey, then is the time to get another starter
3) I doubt that Andruw Jones is seriously considering playing right field when a team could easily just sign him for a deal just as big as a centerfielder.
Next year:
1) This is Pedro’s last year as a Met. I love him but he’s old. And sign Oliver Perez regardless unless he really breaks down
2) Why sign an ace with Haren, Maine, Perez and Pelfrey or Mulvey already in the rotation, and we’d probably still have Hernandez or Silva? It boggles the mind.
3) With Silva probably on a 4 year deal and Hernandez on a 3 year deal, if their performance is good there is no reason to trade them and pick up another pitcher.
Also, the problem with the realism of that deal is that it leads Gomez or Chavez to start in right. That is specifically what Omar Minaya, quoted on this website, said himself. So a deal for Haren seems rather unlikely, but a deal for Bedard is what I’d expect first.
This Year
1) u sign somebody first so u deal from a position of strength and don’t look like u r backed up against a wall to make a deal. Pelfrey is actually relatively good at the beginnig of games, so i would suggest putting him in the pen or AAA for some more seasoning because they did rush him a bit.
2) u can add gotay and carp if u want to my package for haren< i just would rather have him than santana< because we control him for three years as a opposed to one year. You also can’t go into spring trainging with pelfrey as your fifth starter, u saw what happened last year< if he pitches really well let him take over for whomever is hurt or just not pitching well.
3) my top choice out of these offensive free agents that r left would be jones, because he plays great defense, may come cheaper then originally expected, and won’t cost us a first round pick( maybe no pick at all if he is non tendered). See if beltran would move to right field or vice versa it is worth a try.
Next Year
1) Pedro might suprise u this year, and perezes price might be real high, but hopefully not.
2) if there is an ace available you have to try for him, and if u can get one next year as well as this year u have to to try and get him. So if u get him then u trade from your strength and trade a silva/ colon or even a maine and pickup some needed farm players or whatever the need may be. You spin the extra pitcher if we have him just like we did with Kris Benson.
3) Bedeard or haren to me r somewhat similar, but i think harens contract is longer and more palatable.
FWIW, even the pros have trouble projecting prosepcts in their teams with any accuracy.
There are always guys that flame out because they can’t hit a curve ball or something, or get hurt, but even the ones that don’t often develop differently then scouts think.
HR power sometimes come late and in unexpected amounts, guys develop some unexpected plate discipline, etc.
90% of the posts here are confusing Dan Haren – former Cardinals middle-reliever sent to Oakland in the Mulder deal, for Rich Harden, the oft-injured, blue-chip prosepct.
Dan Haren, the intended subject of this thread, does not have injury woes like Harden. That said, 3 former 1st round picks for Dan Haren is so ludicrous I can’t even comment. That we’d have to pray Oakland finds that king’s ransom ‘acceptable’ while the Yankees are apparently snagging the best pitcher in baseball with 5th outfielder Melky Cabrera as a major component says all you need to know about the joke media.
i agree Dave.. Haren is downright filthy.. 220 innings.. signed cheaply for 3 years.. a real Ace and cheap..
The offer is for DAN HAREN NOT Rich Harden.. while it is costly for HAREN i think they go for it. Especially if they keep Heilman and Gomez who can be packaged with others like Humber and Gotay for Bedard
hey, what about Alex Ochoa?! he was a CAN’T MISS TOO!!!!
the point is that if you can turn a gamble on a prospect into a more sure thing of SP (which is quite the hot commodity these days), then do it…that seems to be everyones’ issues on this board lately, don’t overvalue our prospects…they are just that until they can prove they can produce and sustain at an MLB level…I would drive milledge, humber and heilman to the airport for haren…humber is a former Rice University pitcher who may never regain his pre-surgery form…is that more or less of a gamble than Haren? Milledge is a solid player…until they throw him a breaking ball…sure he will adjust over time, but come on, what wins championships? PITCHING & DEFENSE!!!!! I am not saying that we can win it all this year, but hey, Rome wasn’t built in a day…we can find a corner OF that would give us comprable #’s to “Chip”, but can we find a quality SP to plug into the top of the rotation to anchor us?
I agree. Normally, I’d be strongly opposed to unloading prospects for veterans, but unloading prospects for a relatively young ace is quite different. Obviously, you have to give to get, and the price for top starters is extremely steep. Whatever we do, it’s going to sting. In the long run, though, it’s the right move, and there will still be some prospects in the pipeline. I can’t see Gomez, Milledge, and Martinez ALL leaving the team. (If they do, that’s too steep a price to pay, unless a signed and sealed Santana comes back.)
I think one signing (Livan) and one trade (Santana/ Haren/ Whomever) are in order. Gomez, if he’s still here, plays right, along with Chavez, Green . . . heck, Reggie Sanders is available. Now you have your innings eaters, and you can begin to piece together a bullpen from the charred, tiny chunks left over from last year’s abomination . . . they should stay rested, at least. And the Milledge fans can have fun posted an interminable number of “told you sos.” I won’t care if the Mets are winning again.
Omar is going to make a deal if it’s out there to make. He’s going to bid on Santana and Haren and Bedard and Garza and Burnett and anyone else close to those guys.
The question is do we have enough to get any of them. Omar will ” overpay” if he has to because he can go into the season with the same starters,
I think the Mets have some nice pieces to trade. I’m not running the twins or the A’s.
I meant can’t go into the next season with the same starters. ‘
It seems everyone is signing a pitcher and the mets are always last now at days to sign a pitcher. The point is WE NEED PITCHING and stop worrying about Molina or Estrada…Make a couple of deals to land some PITCHERS!! Im sick of waiting…..Make a move MINAYA!
Glavine is the only free agent starter to sign so far.
I think it is time for the mets to forget about santana and go after matt cain ,eric bedard or danny haren .I think it would be a lot easier dealing with brian sabean than billy beane or the others!
how about
Milledge, Pelfrey and Mulvey to Oaktown for Haren
THEN
Gomez, Heilman, Humber and Gotay to Baltimore for
Bedard and Melvin Mora
(I dont think u realistically get Bedard without swallowing Mora’s pay) Put Mora in RF with Chavez as a reverse platoon (right hander Mora takes most of the AB) .. Chevez plays every 4th day.. and some on LF
O’s want to shed payroll.. Mora is signed for about 8 mil a year for 08 and 09.. and would give you 15-20 HR and 280 BA with good D as a #7 hitter in RF
then you’ve got a spot open for Fernando next year in RF and move Mora to LF..
you get:
Two young controlled pitchers in their prime for a rotation of
Pedro, Maine, OP, Haren and Bedard which would be potentially the best rotation in the NL for the next 5 years (even if pedro only pitches thru 09)
Move Duque to the Heilman role where he can throw 80 innings and not get tired in Oct.
i agree with biggiesmalls
I know his name is out there, but why in the world would the O’s be shopping Bedard?
Also — why is it all or nothing with fans? We either bet the entire franchise on Milledge becoming a superstar, or we trade two minor league franchises for starting pitchers? I’d prefer to keep some of the prospects, and trade what it takes for a Haren. If Haren requires all of them, the price is too high.
The only players of REAL value in the Bedard deal would be Gomez and Pelfrey.
O’s would reject that trade in about two seconds, as they’d probably even rather Matt Kemp straight up.
The Dodgers are thinking Bedard. They have literally been talking to the O’s about him.
Also, the O’s won’t just give Mora as stray in a trade. They’d probably make a seperate deal if they wanted to unload him.
This is a very second grade plan, IMO.
I disagree they’d rather Matt Kemp straight up. Not for a stud like Bedard. They’d want at least 3 pieces,.
Gomez and Heilman AND HUMBER AND Gotay while eating Mora (who aint got much value around the league as a 3 Baseman) gives them much more options.
Bedard is due for a large raise in arbitration. he will be FA eligible in 2009. The O’s spent like drunken sailors last year and got bumpkins for it.. so they’re looking to cut payroll and accumulate prospects.
if the O’s can get a top outfield prospect like Gomez AND dump some payroll along the way why wouldnt they be interested.
Id HARDLY say Heilman has zero value in the deal.. He is potentially a lock down closer for them for at least a year Surely he’ll bring good value at the trade deadline in a dump for them.
Humber is a decent prospect and Gotay is a serviceable MLB player. I dont see the Dodgers eating salary after their comments today. Im sure Omar is talking as well.. except he has the latitude to add payroll.
This would be an awesome team in MLB the Show, where injuries never happen, and if they do you can create yourself as a monster AAA prospect.
Seriously, we would have no organizational depth if we made these trades.
Does anyone know the official rule regarding foreigners in Japanese baseball? I think they can only have one per team.
But if Piazza and Bobby V reunite over there it’d be awesome if you did daily or every couple of day updates on the Marines.
Fact: The Yankees are thinking about dealing for Johan Santana, and have not ruled out the possibility of trading Hughes or Kennedy for him.
Fact: The Dodgers have their sights on young starting pitching, or a big name bat. They have talked about Haren, Blanton, Santana, Bedard and Miguel Cabrera.
Fiction: The Mets and Red Sox have a considerable shot at Johan Santana.
Fiction: The Dodgers are front runners for Miguel Cabrera.
Fact: The Mets may deal key young players like Lastings Milledge, Carlos Gomez, Aaron Heilman and Mike Pelfrey, but Gomez and Heilman are the most likely to get traded.
You can change that Dodgers comment to fiction. Unless he’s blowing smoke, Colletti stated that the market is too steep and they are going with youth.
I can’t figure out why people would want to deal Carlos Gomez and keep Lastings Milledge. I don’t think there is any doubt that Gomez is the better player. Carlos Gomez for one is 19 years old. He play are far better RF or CF then Milledge. His power will develop and his patience at the plate will come with experience. He has a ton more speed and looks to be a great #2 hitter in the making. He also at this point has less value on the open market at this point. Please Omar keep Gomez on the team and put him in the bigs as a platoon player this season in the outfield. If you can’t get him enough at bats send him the AAA but don’t let this kid go.
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Hey… Wait a minute… That link isn’t real!
I can’t believe he fooled me.