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According to Andrew Marchand, from ESPN Radio, citing a ‘major league executive with knowledge of the Twins trade talks,’ a) Omar Minaya has had talks with Twins, and b) the Mets should not be counted out of the Johan Santana Sweepstakes, since ‘the Mets may have more of a willingness to include more top prospects, which could entice the Twins.’
The Mets are also ‘investigating’ A’s RHP Dan Haren and RHP Joe Blanton and the Marlins LHP Dontrelle Willis, says Marchand.
By the way, during a recent appearance on ESPN Radio yesterday, ESPN.com’s Buster Olney said that the Red Sox and Yankees seem to be ‘leaning towards the idea’ that it makes ‘no sense’ for them to trade, say, Phil Hughes or Clay Buchholz, in exchange for Twins LHP Johan Santana, who will require ‘at least six years and $150 million’ on his next contract, which will also cost roughly $3 million per season to insure.
As such, Olney says that his guess is that Santana will not be traded, since it may end up making more sense for the Twins to start opening day with him, and not risk making a poor trade that will haunt the organization forever.
Meanwhile, in today’s New York Post, George King and Joel Sherman write that it will cost far more than the just Hughes and Cabrera, to land Santana.
Additionally, according to King and Sherman, citing all sorts of sources, teams like the Dodgers, Angels, Mariners and Cubs, all of whom hold top center-field prospects, could be players for Santana, as well.
…again, and i will keep repeating this until a deal is made, but, it’s not about who has more to trade, it’s about who is willing to trade it, and then be forced to give six years and $150 million the following day…so, yes, i understand that the M’s have Adam Jones, and that the Cubs have Felix Pie, but will they pay and then pay again…
During his weekly appearance on WFAN, SI.com’s Jon Heyman said the Twins have no interest in Yankees 2B Robinson Cano of RHP Chien-Ming Wang, because they do not even want to pay that type of salary.
…if this is the case, i have to assume the same idea applies to Jose Reyes, and the like…
Lastly, in a recent interview with Hot Foot, Twins fan and blog super-star Aaron Gleeman said, if he ran the Twins, he would ask the Mets for two of Lastings Milledge, Fernando Martinez and Carlos Gomez, and then try to get one of Mike Pelfrey, Phil Humber or Kevin Mulvey, since the Twins ‘should be targeting impact bats.’
For more, check out the following clip of Peter Gammons during his recent appearance on ESPN’s SportsCenter, in which he says he will never count out Omar Minaya and the Wilpons.
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Well Schit. If Gomez is an impact bat, let’s ship him off to the Dodgers to get Billingsley and Broxton. Why didn’t any of us see this sooner?
I wish every team just lays back and let the Twinks just keep him ’til he hits the free agent market. Then let the real bidding begin!
Dontrelle - what are your feelings about him? To me, he’s Zito minus a Cy Young.
Dontrelle used to hit 95mph. Zito tops out at 88.
“Used to”
I don’t mean stuff-wise, I mean value as a pitcher.
As much as I want to win and grab an impact pitcher, I have this real fear that we are going to be shut out of everything because of the perception that our prospects are not that good…
If I were GM I would be very aggressive… While I might not be able to offer quality I can offer quantity…
If the Mets can get a front line starter and keep F. MArtinez and Deolis Guerra I would be pleased.
“perception that our prospects are not that good…”
Sadly true. I don’t think our prospects are going to be anything spectacular, but they’re not as bad as they are perceived to be.
So, it might be better to hold on to them. Let them progress and they might be more valuable at the trade deadline.
First off…stop dreaming of the Santana-Cabrera duo. Its not gonna happen.
One advantage for the mets is the fact they are willing to include a variety of decent prospects, opposed to the Yanks and Sox just offering one top notch prospect. I think this really could help us out. The twins want a CF and a pitcher, among some other prospects. We are willing to offer that where-as the Yanks and Sox won’t be willing to do so since they’d be giving up alot more talent since there CF and pitching prospects are better than we have. I don’t think they’d be willing to part with that.
Maybe we just downplay our prospects….maybe other teams look at our prospects the way we look at the yanks, or sox, or dbacks prospects…maybe other teams find a better way to use and progress their prospects….perfect example is bannister…if we had him this year, think about what we would be able to get for him…
OK everyone just calm down!
Lets take a minute and think in the real world,
It is more likely the Mets with go with a 6 man rotation like the Sox and others are moving too with Pedro as part of the equation.
Maine
Perez
Pedro
Pelfry
are going to be here next year
The additions will most likely be in the form of an innings eater that will give you 13 wins (like Glavine) which means you can add
Livan Hernadez
Omar “the met maker” wants a splash and we will see it in the form of most likely Haren or Blanton
Someone suggesting thinking in the real world and suggesting 6 man rotation. Nice.
There’s a reason teams don’t use the 6-man rotation in today’s game and it’s that there isn’t enough good pitchers to go around as it is.
When you have pedro in the mix you are going to have a 6 man like it or not. He isn’t going to pitch regularly he didn’t do it when he came back and he isn’t going to do it next year. It may not be a standard every 6 game rotation, but with pedro in there you might as well count it that way.
I’ve seen Santana’s name on this blog so many times the past few days, I’m starting to wonder if Cerrone is getting paid a fee every time he mentions his name, like the rappers who got paid by Mcdonalds every time they mentioned one of their sandwiches…
Never said I listened to rap. I do pick up a newspaper every now and then though, maybe you should try it sometime…
so true…..its his job to report, but any met fan who thinks that johan is coming here is a complete moron.
1. teams with better prospects then us are interested, so forget prospects because we dont compare.
2. The only thing the twins want from us is what we are unwilling to give….beltran, wright or reyes.
Bottom line, we have a better chance of winning the world series with ecksein at short, and trading reyes for santana. As opposed to Reyes at short, and livan hernandez on the mound.
Irrespective of this, none of these moves will be made, as we are unwilling to trade Reyes…(which I will not kill any Met fan for agreeing with, its a tough call).
But please…..ENOUGH of the Santana talk….it aint happenin folks. I
Replace Jose Reyes with David Eckstein. That’s hilarious.
If I’m Twins GM I am interested in a deal with Lastings Milledge. Milledge is way better than Melky Cabrera, or at least will be. I can’t comment on onther teams prospects except the Mets, Red Sox and Yankees, also happen to be the majority of the money teams. Jacoby Ellsbury looks like he is gonna be really good too.
Again My point was Milledge, if I’m the Twins I want that kid he can hit and will hit more. I would start a deal with Milledge, Pelfrey, and one or twop more prospects depending on where they are in age and development, (Humber, Mulvey, F Mart, Guerra . . . .)
yup. l-millz>melky
I concur. Milledge can be a .280, 25HR guy if given the chance. He played a pretty good CF last year when Beltran was out with a scratch on his elbow (Kidding. I’m a Beltran supporter, but he’s a little soft. I can see him wearing Dora The Explorer band-aids).
I think if the Yanks get Santana by trading Hughes, the Mets should go back to the Twins and trade for Hughes….I’m just thinking of some way to tweak the Yanks.
Anyway, I get the feeling the Mets are determined to put together a winning team whether it’s with Santana or not. I’m hearing desperation in Omar - I think the Mets can get Santana.
I thought of this yesterday. Say the twins wanted Cano and Gomez. They trade santana for Hughes + Cano (+?), then Hughes or Garza for Gomez.
That’s why the prospect fit issue isn’t that big a deal. You trade for the best players you can, and retrade the ones that don’t fit.
Kind of like a 2-part 3 way deal!
I’m just getting a real bad feeling that Omar is going to do something stupid that will sink the team for years to come.
And I don’t consider some relatively minor moves to shore up the quality of the pitching (something like the imfamous Gomez/Gotay for Garza deal) to be stupid, rather exactly what he should be doing in this ridiculous market.
Blanton would be fine, but he isn’t worth Milledge straight up. Gomez I might think about, alhtough Omar probably wouldn’t
Maybe a Humber/other prospect for him.
Now, the rotation would be set if they could do those 2 deals, and still ahve the ML teamin good shape, and some depth on the farm.
Or, expanda deal with Oakland. Say Milledge + Humber for Blanton + catching prospect that is (or soon to be) ML ready?
Get creative here, and try to fill a couple of needs, instead of just clear cutting the farm for 1 SP, leaving other holes to fill (without any way to do so).
I don’t agree completely, but Omar kinda shot himself in the foot by saying, “we’re getting an ace.”
unless that was a calculated move.
based on the past, and Omar being so good at keeping things tight lipped, how could you assume anything OTHER than it was a calculated move?
simply b/c i want to believe that we’re getting an ace.
Taken fom MLB Trade Rumors:
Mets: The Mets have had talks with the Twins as well, according to Buster Olney. It’s known that the Mets don’t want to include Jose Reyes or David Wright in a deal. Makes sense. Carlos Gomez, Fernando Martinez, Lastings Milledge, Mike Pelfrey, and Kevin Mulvey are the other names being tossed around. But John Harper’s source isn’t so sure Reyes it out of the question, as that might be the only way the Mets can get Santana.
This, to me, sounds like absolute hogwash.
The Twins apparently made it clear that the did not even want to take on he salaryof Robnson Cano for Chrissakes! Now, they are going to take on $6MM for Reyes?
I was once so psyched about possibly getting Sanatna, now the thought of it, the uncertainty of his cost, are scaring the hell out of me.
the reality of the situation is that we can offer quantity here…but do you want to part with all those guys and hamstring the future of the organization by having to sign another FA for LF, RF, C & 1B within the next 2 years? I would as a fan of the organization rather we try to swing a deal for haren and/or blanton or bedard & ramon hernandez…we have to come to terms with the fact that we have “our” top prospects of gomez, milledge, pelfrey, f-mart, guerra & humber and for use to land this “ace” we will have to lose at least half of them, if not the majority…I would like to think that guerra (supposedly is the next coming of gooden if all pans out) and F-Mart are the only untouchables in that, but the reality is, a proven commodity for a future gamble is just that…how many met fans remember gregg jeffries? he was that “can’t miss” prospect, now if you had the chance to trade jeffries for a mid 20’s 2 time cy young award winner (I won’t waste time naming one half of the posters on here probably never heard of), but either way, I would make a deal to get that proven commodity, no questions asked…but alas, I am not omar and have no clue what he is thinking but if I have to deal all but guerra & f-mart, I want more than just 1 hole filled (i.e. bedard & hernandez)
the reality of the situation is that we can offer quantity here…but do you want to part with all those guys and hamstring the future of the organization by having to sign another FA for LF, RF, C & 1B within the next 2 years? I would as a fan of the organization rather we try to swing a deal for haren and/or blanton or bedard & ramon hernandez…we have to come to terms with the fact that we have “our” top prospects of gomez, milledge, pelfrey, f-mart, guerra & humber and for use to land this “ace” we will have to lose at least half of them, if not the majority…I would like to think that guerra (supposedly is the next coming of gooden if all pans out) and F-Mart are the only untouchables in that, but the reality is, a proven commodity for a future gamble is just that…how many met fans remember gregg jeffries? he was that “can’t miss” prospect, now if you had the chance to trade jeffries for a mid to late 20’s 2 time cy young award winner (I won’t waste time naming one half of the posters on here probably never heard of or were born after they retired), but either way, I would make a deal to get that proven commodity, no questions asked…but alas, I am not omar and have no clue what he is thinking but if I have to deal all but guerra & f-mart, I want more than just 1 hole filled (i.e. bedard & hernandez)
Mel Anton, on the XM baseball show this morning, was saying that he didn’t think the Twins would wait until the trading deadline, as too many teams wouldn’t want to take a chance on a two-month rental, driving the price down.
Olney, Anton, etc, etc. We should start a betting pool to see which rumor-monger actually turns out to be correct. They seem to change their tune every half-hour.
Mets: Aaron Heilman-RHP, Kevin Mulvey-RHP, Lastings Milledge-OF
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A’s: Dan Haren-RHP
Mets: Carlos Gomez-OF, Mike Pelfrey-RHP, Fernando Martinez-OF, Joe Smith-RHP, Anderson Hernandez-INF
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Twins: Johan Santana-LHP
anderson hernandez has absolutely NO stick his value to a trade for santana is 0. not to mention youd have to replace smith with humber for that to even have a chance of being done.
WDJW
That’s the unasked question, the crucial missing nugget of information.
What Does Johan Want?
If he’s a pleasant, obliging fellow, he’ll go wherever the Twins find the best “package.”
But what if he isn’t? Let’s say, for instance, he doesn’t FEEL like playing in Beantown? Then it won’t matter if the Sox offer Ellsbury, Pedroia, Papelbon and the ghost of Honey Fitz. Johan will NOT be going to Boston.
If I were a sportswriter, I’d be trying to figure out what Johan wants, and not worry so much about what the Twins want.
good point. He does have a say in this (at least for now).
Precisely!!! I made this point a while back. He’s been mum about his scenario, but he’s in the driver seat, the Twins are just sitting next to him with the toy steering wheel.
Basically, we’re looking for a lefty. If El Duque is to be moved to the pen, we’re looking for a righty also.
My list of lefties that are even somewhat available are: Santana, Willis, Bedard. I’m sure that there are others, but I really don’t think any of them fit into what we’re looking for.
As for righties, the list is longer: Haren, Blanton, Garza, L.Hernandez, Silva, Garcia.
As I see it, Omar is keeping many of the options open right now, (as he should) but, if I was to guess, the plan is something like this:
Plan A, acquire Santana in a trade, have enough prospects left over to trade for Blanton.
Plan B, acquire Santana in a trade, have to give up too many prospects, so sign L. Hernandez.
Plan C, unable to acquire Santana, trade for Haren, and trade for Willis.
Plan D, unable to acquire Santana or Haren, trade for Blanton and Willis.
Plan E, can’t make a trade with A’s or Twins, trade for Willis and sign L. Hernandez.
Plan F, should no other righties fit into the mix, Garcia may be available still.
Realistically, there are probably six million different ways to tweak all this, especially given that you really have to “look into” trading for Miguel Cabrera and stuff also.
But, I think this over all is the plan. Given what Omar has to work with, and the options he has (or doesn’t have) I look forward to seeing what he can do.
150 for Santana? no way for me.
I think for 150 million you can get Haren, Andru Jones, Livian Hernandez and Dotel.
You will overpay with prospects for Haren and I’d offer Milledge/Gomez/Mulvey and Pelfrey.
If they insist on Heilman then take out Mulvey or Pelfrey,
If the insist on FMart then take out Gomez.
Jones and Dotel can be bought and Jones will take 80 million for 5 years and play right.
plug Livian in at #5 with Haren at #1 and El Duque in the pen.
Buy rohypnol….
Buy rohypnol….
martinez and mulvey for cabrera.
stop smokin’ that stuff man
hahahahaha
i’d rather take John Olerud’s fielding helmet.
to borrow a phrase from Moe Syzlak:
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?
Two words. Public Enemy.
I GREW UP LISTENING TO RAP. You cavemen think that’s actually an insult don’t you…