|
In a recent web-video clip from ESPN, which you can watch below, ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark reports that the Twins are taking ‘a hard line,’ and if they do not get at least ‘two, young, star-caliber players’ in exchange for Johan Santana, ‘they’ll keep him and try to win with him next season,’
According to Stark, the Red Sox and Yankees are the only two teams ‘willing and able’ to meet that price, though they would still rather not trade Phil Hughes or Jacoby Ellsbury.
Instead, the Yankees continue to push Ian Kennedy, Melky Cabrera and maybe Jose Tabata, writes the New York Times, while the Red Sox would rather trade Coco Crisp.
Stark continues on to explain how the Santana Market is holding up potential deals for other super-star players around the game.
 |
 |
 |
RSS 2.0 Both comments and pings are currently closed.
Thinking realisticly, the only teams that can afford Santana are the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, and Dodgers. The Diamondbacks have the talent to get him, but not the bankroll to resign him.
Redsox have Ellsbury, Bucholz, Lester, Crisp, Jed Lowrie, and Michael Bowden, all who the Twins want.
Yankees – Hughes, Kennedy, Joba, Tabata, Cano, Melky.
Angels – Kendrick, Mathis, Brandon Wood, Jerad Weaver, Nick Adenhart.
Dodgers – Ethier, Kemp, Billingsly, Andy LaRoche.
The Mets just don’t have the talent. Milledge, Pelfrey, Humber haven’t shown the Twins what they want to see. Granted they still have a chance of being good (Humber is year #2 off Tommy John) but I don’t see us getting a big named pitcher.
I agree napes22.
I also don’t understand why the twins would want Coco crispie back in the deal? He’s affordable now, but the guy had one productive season and took a giant step back, and he’s not a great defensive CF, so why does he have so much value?
I’m thinking Santana is on the mound on opening day for the Twinkies. I could be wrong, but I just don’t see them getting rid of him right now. In the event that Liriano is anywhere near the form he was in before he got hurt, that 1-2 combo is deadlier than any other, and they’d have a shot at making a good run in October.
Not so sure about that…
Frankly, I think what the SOX and Yankees are offering is flat out offensive! Who really thinks Coco is worth anything? Jon Lester – yea, he’s okay but at best a future #2…at best. Melky – seriously? Jose Tabata – yea, but how far away from the majors is he? There are too many variables there.
If I were the Twins, I’d tell them to F off if they’re not willing to part with Ellsbury and Bucholz or Joba and Hughes. And considering that they’re bitter rivals, there’s no way the Twins should get anything less. I mean, if I were Cashman and Minny calls and say, “last chance, unless you put in Joba and Hughes, Santana is going to Boston”, I’d pull the trigger immediately. Face it, if Boston gets Santana, they’ll win the AL East for at least the next 5 years…barring any major prolonged injuries.
I completely agree. The Twins need to make sure they are getting all the value they want. This isn’t just a bargaining chip, it’s the best pitcher in baseball who is in his prime (not to mention he’s a lefty). There is no such thing as the Twins ripping another team off here. They should ask for the likes or Hughes, Joba, Ellsbury, Bucholz…
Melky will be a serviceable outfielder but not a star…Coco’s 28, Lester is good but nothing special….they need players that will prove to be the foundation for this team. If they trade Santana, I thinks they should also look to trade away Morneau and Nathan, and start from scratch.
Has anyone thought that maybe Chamberlin, Kennedy, and Hughes can be the Yankee’s version of Generation K? Chamberlin is dominant, but we havent seen him stretch that out into 6,7 innings yet. I feel that the sample is so small with these guys, yet it is already assumed that they will be great.
When you said Generation K, I had a minor stroke.
3 times thru a major league lineup is a great equalizer, Joba. Although I must say I am impressed. . Hughes is not overpowering. Needs to be spot on all the time. Kennedy has so so stuff. Needs to be more perfect than Hughes
that would be only too sweet
Twins are definitely taking the correct approach here. I think the guy they really want here is Joba. By going to the Yanks first, getting their offer out into the public, then going to Boston and letting the media know they are leaning towards that deal.
This puts the Yanks in a spot where they can sit back and watch the Sawx build a Santana, Beckett, Dice-K, Schilling, Wakefield rotation…or sell Joba at the height of his value, along with Melky to get Santana to the Bronx. I don’t envy Brian Cashman.
that makes no sense. While the names mentioned for the Yanks are certainly young, it is a stretch to say the y are “start quality”. Untested prospects with potential, or a ML expereinced guy that is no more than average.
Not really any better/different that Gomez, Plefrey, Milledge, etc.
The difference is that all the guys mentioned have excelled since coming to the Majors. Hughes hit a few bumps, but is 21, Joba is a stud, Kennedy impressed, Bucholz pitched a no hitter, Ellsbury had an outstanding year.
Then there is Milledge who has yet to show discipline on or off the field and has been inconsitent. Pelfrey, hate to say it, has been a disappointment. Humber is a question mark, because he had Tommy John in 2005. Gomez shows tons of potential, and honestly, I’d rather keep him and trade F-Mart (who struggled in the minors last year).
Napes22 is right on. Buster Olney said this morning on Mike and Mike that the Mets don’t have the chips to get Santana or Haren, because “neither the Twins nor the A’s see Pelfrey or Humber as any more than #4/#5 or middle relievers down the line.” Olney predicts that Sanatan and Haren will go 1 then 2 to the Yanks or Sox for similar packages (top proven pitching prospect with #1-#3 potential, proven outfielder, and another unproven pitching prospect with #3-#4 potential). Olney made it very clear that the Mets just don’t have the chips. And, he is right if the market remains as it has.
FMart had a hand injury last year and missed a large chunk of time. Plus, he still hit .270+ which for being the youngest player in the league is very impressive.
All woes-me Mets fan lamenting aside, the Twins are hurting the value of Santana by dealing with these yokels in the Bronx and Boston right now. If there’s any truth to these rumors, the offers on the table are downright offensive.
You hear Billy Beane wants 3 top prospects for Dan Haren, maybe even Joe Blanton, to even consider trading them. And then you hear the Twins the Yanks and Red Sox to throw in at least 1 top player. Does this make any sense?
There are probably other teams that would offer alot more to Minny than these 2 ass clowns. And the Twins don’t need to sell anyone on Santana. He sells himself. Teams don’t view him as a luxury. They view him as a must-have.
Tell me again why the Twins aren’t acting like they’re in the driver’s seat here?
Exactly what I was thinking. Maybe they need to hire Boras for the trade negotiation…(Hell, he’d probably do it for free with the Yankees)
The problem is Johann has a no-trade clause, and he isn’t going to let himself go to a team that isn’t a World Series contender. That limits the field to 5-6 teams right there. Second, he wants $150 million a year. That limits the field to about 3-4 teams.
The no-trade clause is limiting the ability of the Twins to be in the driver’s seat, because they can only negotiate with teams approved by Santana, and these teams know it.
The best thing for the Mets would be for Minn to keep Santana. Like it or not, the fit does not seem to be there unless the Mets try to overwhelm in numbers, and that would be a truly bad decision.
If Sanatana isn’t traded, at least Mets can offer money as a FA- and the Mets CAN offer as much money as any one else (whether they will or not is another story).
I’d love to get a number 1, but I don’t want a Bartolo Colon to Montreal type deal.
Ximo ephedra….
Ximo ephedra….