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		<title>By: Adderall.</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/01/note-minaya-checked-with-os-and-as/#comment-269187</link>
		<dc:creator>Adderall.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 23:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Adderall....&lt;/strong&gt;

Adderall and kidney pain. Snorting concerta adderall. Adderall. Smoking adderall. Generic adderall....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Adderall&#8230;.</strong></p>
<p>Adderall and kidney pain. Snorting concerta adderall. Adderall. Smoking adderall. Generic adderall&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: matt_bucc</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/01/note-minaya-checked-with-os-and-as/#comment-51089</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think we could have gotten rauch in addition, and minaya pulled the trigger too soon.  actually, here&#039;s what happened: http://trackpower.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think we could have gotten rauch in addition, and minaya pulled the trigger too soon.  actually, here&#8217;s what happened: <a href="http://trackpower.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://trackpower.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: posner</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/01/note-minaya-checked-with-os-and-as/#comment-51054</link>
		<dc:creator>posner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those numbers you posted were on extremely small ABs, and you can twist the numbers any way you want.  50 AB is not even close to a big enough sample size. For example, Milledge batted .304 with runners in scoring position, compared to just .282 for Ryan Church.  Next year it is just as likely that those numbers will be switched.  To say Minaya went that in depth when looking at statistics is ridiculous.
Statistics such as BA on 3-2 counts are the noisiest statistics in baseball.  (They vary A LOT from year to year.)  So if Minaya actually is basing the trade off of a statistic like that, it is pretty dumb.  It would not be the least bit surprising if Milledge dramatically improved on that and Church got worse.  It is more of a luck type thing, which is why the statistic is so noisy.  There is almost no consistency from year-to-year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those numbers you posted were on extremely small ABs, and you can twist the numbers any way you want.  50 AB is not even close to a big enough sample size. For example, Milledge batted .304 with runners in scoring position, compared to just .282 for Ryan Church.  Next year it is just as likely that those numbers will be switched.  To say Minaya went that in depth when looking at statistics is ridiculous.<br />
Statistics such as BA on 3-2 counts are the noisiest statistics in baseball.  (They vary A LOT from year to year.)  So if Minaya actually is basing the trade off of a statistic like that, it is pretty dumb.  It would not be the least bit surprising if Milledge dramatically improved on that and Church got worse.  It is more of a luck type thing, which is why the statistic is so noisy.  There is almost no consistency from year-to-year.</p>
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		<title>By: Meddler</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/01/note-minaya-checked-with-os-and-as/#comment-51011</link>
		<dc:creator>Meddler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s some of what Omar might have been thinking here. 

Church&#039;s career numbers with a runner on third and less than two outs:

18 for 51 (.353) with a .967 OPS 3 HR 3 2B 41 RBIs 8/7 K/BB

Nearly half these ABs (25) were put up in 2007 when Church put up a scorching .440 / .469 / .760 with 23 RBIs.  He was like the anti-Shawn Green, who was .286 / .360 / .286 with 12 RBIs in 21 
2007 ABs.  

Milledge&#039;s career in this dept. includes 2 hits, both doubles, in 9 ABs.  Obviously, this doesn&#039;t suggest much about what type of hitter can be, but this is a situation where you&#039;d prefer to see the ability to shorten up and hit a single.  Omar probably knows the better business decision on Millz would have been to let him play and re-establish some value.  But I imagine Omar wants someone he knows can do this.  It was really the biggest difference between the Mets offense in 2006 and in 2007.  

Also compare Church&#039;s numbers against Milledge&#039;s by count.  

Milledge&#039;s OPS in 3-2 count is .586, Church&#039;s is 1.038.  Not that I don&#039;t expect Milledge to improve in this dept, but Church&#039;s sample size is significantly larger, and there are some promising situation stats.  

Can you imagine that difference in the Mets lineup in 2007?  Remember how horrible a start they got off to with situational hitting?  They needed someone to do this.  It would be like having 2006 Jose Valentin or even Xavier Nady back.  A little unexpected pop from the #7 or #8 hole.  The pitcher&#039;s thinking &quot;man, I managed to get Beltran and Delgado, then Alou got on, but I got through the tough part,&quot; and Church puts a good swing on a ball into the gap.  If not, he&#039;ll take the walk and let the Catcher or Pitcher get a crack with a RISP.  

There&#039;s no reason to necessarily expect Milledge to pick up these skills.  We know he&#039;ll be a decent hitter, but not necessarily a particularly headie one.  His development probably would have gone much better to this point if he&#039;d been groomed to be a#2 or #5 hitter, but there was just no chance of that on the Mets.  Getting someone a little headie with some pop is really what you need for the bottom of the order.  That&#039;s the only way to make an impact on a lineup that&#039;s already pretty much set 1-6. 

However, I still don&#039;t understand the timing of the deal.  That&#039;s what strikes me as most odd.  Its not something that couldn&#039;t have happened later in the offseason.  Its not like anyone else was particularly vying for Church and Schneider (that we know of).  If I were Omar (and obviously I&#039;m far less in the know than he, but this is just a hypothetical given what I do know), I&#039;d have &quot;anonymously&quot; leaked that proposal and let the media tear it up.  Isn&#039;t that what happened with the Benson deal with Maine (whether intentional or not)?  Then he could have asked for a little bit more, especially for a team in your division.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s some of what Omar might have been thinking here. </p>
<p>Church&#8217;s career numbers with a runner on third and less than two outs:</p>
<p>18 for 51 (.353) with a .967 OPS 3 HR 3 2B 41 RBIs 8/7 K/BB</p>
<p>Nearly half these ABs (25) were put up in 2007 when Church put up a scorching .440 / .469 / .760 with 23 RBIs.  He was like the anti-Shawn Green, who was .286 / .360 / .286 with 12 RBIs in 21<br />
2007 ABs.  </p>
<p>Milledge&#8217;s career in this dept. includes 2 hits, both doubles, in 9 ABs.  Obviously, this doesn&#8217;t suggest much about what type of hitter can be, but this is a situation where you&#8217;d prefer to see the ability to shorten up and hit a single.  Omar probably knows the better business decision on Millz would have been to let him play and re-establish some value.  But I imagine Omar wants someone he knows can do this.  It was really the biggest difference between the Mets offense in 2006 and in 2007.  </p>
<p>Also compare Church&#8217;s numbers against Milledge&#8217;s by count.  </p>
<p>Milledge&#8217;s OPS in 3-2 count is .586, Church&#8217;s is 1.038.  Not that I don&#8217;t expect Milledge to improve in this dept, but Church&#8217;s sample size is significantly larger, and there are some promising situation stats.  </p>
<p>Can you imagine that difference in the Mets lineup in 2007?  Remember how horrible a start they got off to with situational hitting?  They needed someone to do this.  It would be like having 2006 Jose Valentin or even Xavier Nady back.  A little unexpected pop from the #7 or #8 hole.  The pitcher&#8217;s thinking &#8220;man, I managed to get Beltran and Delgado, then Alou got on, but I got through the tough part,&#8221; and Church puts a good swing on a ball into the gap.  If not, he&#8217;ll take the walk and let the Catcher or Pitcher get a crack with a RISP.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no reason to necessarily expect Milledge to pick up these skills.  We know he&#8217;ll be a decent hitter, but not necessarily a particularly headie one.  His development probably would have gone much better to this point if he&#8217;d been groomed to be a#2 or #5 hitter, but there was just no chance of that on the Mets.  Getting someone a little headie with some pop is really what you need for the bottom of the order.  That&#8217;s the only way to make an impact on a lineup that&#8217;s already pretty much set 1-6. </p>
<p>However, I still don&#8217;t understand the timing of the deal.  That&#8217;s what strikes me as most odd.  Its not something that couldn&#8217;t have happened later in the offseason.  Its not like anyone else was particularly vying for Church and Schneider (that we know of).  If I were Omar (and obviously I&#8217;m far less in the know than he, but this is just a hypothetical given what I do know), I&#8217;d have &#8220;anonymously&#8221; leaked that proposal and let the media tear it up.  Isn&#8217;t that what happened with the Benson deal with Maine (whether intentional or not)?  Then he could have asked for a little bit more, especially for a team in your division.</p>
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		<title>By: posner</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/01/note-minaya-checked-with-os-and-as/#comment-50975</link>
		<dc:creator>posner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Peaked? He had his first MLB season over 100 games and he peaked? He has been consistantly good, and has already reached Milledge’s possible ceiling.&quot;

Last year, as I repeated many times, Milledge and Church put up almost identical statistics.  It is odd how close the two are.  The only difference is that Milledge is 22 and Church is 29.  Milledge also had to deal with the pressure of knowing his playing time hinged on his every AB.  Willie had plenty of other guys to play instead of Milledge.  There is no statistical reasoning that shows that Church, at 29, will improve more than Milledge, at 22.  Milledge showed good plate-discipline, which is a skill that usually takes more major-league experience to develop.  So how has Church already matched Milledge&#039;s possible ceiling if they both put up the same numbers last year, and there is not one good reason to think Milledge won&#039;t improve?  Please explain that to me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Peaked? He had his first MLB season over 100 games and he peaked? He has been consistantly good, and has already reached Milledge’s possible ceiling.&#8221;</p>
<p>Last year, as I repeated many times, Milledge and Church put up almost identical statistics.  It is odd how close the two are.  The only difference is that Milledge is 22 and Church is 29.  Milledge also had to deal with the pressure of knowing his playing time hinged on his every AB.  Willie had plenty of other guys to play instead of Milledge.  There is no statistical reasoning that shows that Church, at 29, will improve more than Milledge, at 22.  Milledge showed good plate-discipline, which is a skill that usually takes more major-league experience to develop.  So how has Church already matched Milledge&#8217;s possible ceiling if they both put up the same numbers last year, and there is not one good reason to think Milledge won&#8217;t improve?  Please explain that to me</p>
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		<title>By: metinDC23</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/01/note-minaya-checked-with-os-and-as/#comment-50956</link>
		<dc:creator>metinDC23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounded like someone asking if something he was taught all his life is true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounded like someone asking if something he was taught all his life is true.</p>
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		<title>By: metinDC23</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/01/note-minaya-checked-with-os-and-as/#comment-50950</link>
		<dc:creator>metinDC23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta agree- I really see Church as the same type of player that Nady was for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta agree- I really see Church as the same type of player that Nady was for us.</p>
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		<title>By: metinDC23</title>
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		<dc:creator>metinDC23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;schneider and church are garbage. GARBAGE.&quot;

Thats so not true.

Most objective people I&#039;ve asked (as in non-met and non-nats fans) think the mets did pretty well.

Church is a solid player and Schneider is one of the best defensive catchers in the league.  Can you just imagine what it will be like to actually have faith that a runner will get thrown out at second?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;schneider and church are garbage. GARBAGE.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thats so not true.</p>
<p>Most objective people I&#8217;ve asked (as in non-met and non-nats fans) think the mets did pretty well.</p>
<p>Church is a solid player and Schneider is one of the best defensive catchers in the league.  Can you just imagine what it will be like to actually have faith that a runner will get thrown out at second?</p>
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		<title>By: metinDC23</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/01/note-minaya-checked-with-os-and-as/#comment-50894</link>
		<dc:creator>metinDC23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would bet anything that Church out-preforms Milledge this year.</description>
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		<title>By: nvrmor</title>
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		<dc:creator>nvrmor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>omar is just setting up his future job with the nationals.  has his boy overated acta already in place, with his upcomming superstar catcher and outfielder.  all the pieces are in place for him to move to dc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>omar is just setting up his future job with the nationals.  has his boy overated acta already in place, with his upcomming superstar catcher and outfielder.  all the pieces are in place for him to move to dc.</p>
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