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According to Peter Gammons, in a post to his blog for ESPN.com, A’s 
GM Billy Beane has let the Mets know that they ‘don’t seem to have the talent’ needed in a trade for RHP Dan Haren or Joe Blanton.
Gammons also says that trading Lastings Milledge probably ended the Omar Minaya’s chances of acquiring Indians LHP Cliff Lee, who the Indians will listen to proposals for, ‘but won’t trade him unless they get overwhelmed.’
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The Mets are going to end up burning down the farm system if they want to pick up Bedard.
It’s not going to happen.
At this point., Omar just needs to go sign Silva and Livan. No one is going to trade with us. If Omar can find a possible trade partner, they will rape our farm system. Just sign two FA and go with something like:
Pedro
Maine
OP
Silva
Livan H
Then see if you can land Andruw for RF. Put Church on the bench with Marlon, Gotay, Easly and Endy.
Dumb Estrada and go with the platton of Schneider and Castro.
See if you can sign Dotel for the pen.
That isn’t a bad team at all. Save the farm for July 31st or next off season.
Here is a thought. How about doing all of the and then saving the farm for use in the major leagues? Why not give Pelfrey a legit shot. Why not give that same chance to Humber? I have no problem with that at all. Let these guys continue to take their lumps…it won’t hurt their value. Plus, if they turn out good, we can really tell all these other teams to EFF themselves.
Don’t trade Fernando Martinez. Let him open Citi Field in left with Gomez in right. We’ll get younger that way. Shore up the pen and get servicable major league pitchers this year, heading into a big free agent class next year (hopefully).
great point. We fans have a very short leash when we are in the middle of a “win now” phase. I would love to build the future on Reyes, Wright, Beltran, FMart, Gomez, Mulvey, Pelfrey, Humber, Carp………..But how many “lumps” would we take before we are screaming for someones blood???? I don’t disagree though.
Your probably right in Livan and Silva
Then make moves to build the bullpen up to be the best in the NL, Make sure you have the bats to score the runs. You can win with out a pure #1 starter.
Cliff Lee is left handed.
Overwhelmed? Tell all these teams that want to wooed to go EFF themselves.
We need to stay pat. Go after Miguel Cabrera and we’ll worry about pitching next year.
can we all just join hands and pray for bedard now
Cliff Lee??? Geez, if he has too much trade value for us to get him, how in the world are we in the running for Haren or Bedard?
I am doing the “Slow Hand Clap” for Omar… uh oh… here comes security…..
Miguel Cabrera?
How can the Mets beat the Angels proposal that is already on the table of 3 major league ready players and a mid level prospect.
Hey, if we’re going to make hail mary passes, we may as try different receivers.
ouch. We don’t even have the chips to pick up a guy who’s average season is 14-11 with a 4.10 ERA and 125 K’s/215 IP. That hurts.
yeah I mean if some combination of Gomez/F-Mart and Pelfrey/Humber/Heilman isn’t enough to get Blanton, it will take a chilly day in Hell for us to get Bedard, Haren or Santana.
It’s like the 2007 season never ended.. the hits just keep on coming.
Two years of bonehead moves, and poor drafting have really taken their toll..
I wonder how good Bannister and Bell would look in this crazy trade market, where even Joe Blanton is apparently off limits to us…
Hope your bags are packed Omar.. in the words of Dan Patrick.. “gone”
your right. this team would have been much better with jacobs at 1st, phillips behind the plate, ahern at 2nd, diaz in rf, benson and petit in the rotation and bell closing after being setup by ring.
No.. but they would of been much better with Bannister in the rotation last year instead of the Vargas/Humber/Dave Williams and yes even Mike Pelfrey
They would of been better with Heath Bell, Henry Owens and Matt Lindstrom.. then the show.. or Mota or Aaron Sele…
Not to mention the trade value those guys would have this year…
And don’t joke about Benson.. we’re about two weeks away from being the best guy left on the FA market for us.
but would you rather go with bannister and benson over maine and perez, because that is what it would have been. what if bell had been the same as bell the prior years, which is very possible if he stayed. i dont think owens givin his injury history and age and lindstroms mediocrity and age would bring much of anything in trade. i think you focus too much on the negetive side of things and dont give the credit for the team actually bein better overall.
Bannister would of slid right into the 5th spot.. after Ollie and Maine in the post season the year before, they weren’t gonan loose their rotation spot… so don’t even try to say that’s why they got rid of Bannister.
Omar get’s way too much credit for the Benson trade.. Lugo was total garbage, and Maine was a Throw in..
He made the SAME TRADE AGAIN getting Burgos… they’re the exact same pitcher.. all arm no control…
My problem isn’t getting rid of these guys (add Milledge to the list now).. it’s that we have nothing, not a single thing to show for it.
That is way too much talent out the door, to not have anything to show for it.
1st of all if julio(not lugo) was garbage, omar wouldnt have gotten duque or him. and if you can criticize moves, and i know they all cant work ou, you have to be able to give credit for moves, ala maine and perez. maine may have been a throw in to you, but he may have evey well been the piece that made the deal to someone who actually knows something about talent. to say we have nothing to show for these moves is also being shortsighted. it takes years to evaluate trades involving young players and prospects, not a couple of months.
no, julio was garbage.
as for credit for trades. yes, whether it was a thrown in or not, whether it was intended or not, the final product is that we obtained Maine and Ollie via Omar trades and he must be given credit for them.
Just as he must be given crap for bad trades. Results speak.
I obviously meant Julio.. sorry for the typo.. and eally? What did El Duque do other then get hurt every time we need him?
and it’s been about a year now.. for a team trying to win now.. you can’t convince me Omar made any of those moves trying to win years from now..
And let us not forget he tried to trade Ollie the same day to the Pads for Linebrink but it fell through..
So sorry.. I am not all impressed by Omar.. esp after this Lastings deal.
Other then spending some money.. and yes making some decent trades with the Marlins.. he hasn’t pulled of a good deal in quite some time.
Yup, and anyone can spend money.
What does this have to do with Bannister and Bell?
I was just defending my position that Omar has more or less dug his own grave by trading away talent in the areas where we need it.. without getting one single good piece in return..
Bannister won 13 games with the Royals of all teams and finished 3rd in the ROY voting
Bell was outstanding for the Pads
Owens and Lindstrom very good for the fish…
And how did Ben Johnson, Adam Bostic, Jason Vargas, Ben Johnson, Burgos, and John Adkins do for us?
We needed one game to win the divison last year? Take away those moves.. you probably have about 5.
but you forget that if owens and lindtrom actually made this team youd lose what you ot from smith and possibly sosa in the pen costing games. smith wouldnt have the trade value either. theres always more to a deal than the obvious player stats.
Extrawhitemeat,
Question. When that Bannister deal was made, were you upset? Did you really think we lost a very solid major league pitcher? I remember him struggling to find the strike zone early. We got back a young reliever that could be the next closer for this team.
We’ve seen Burgos throw. We know he has an electric arm. He just needs to command his pitches better. I honestly have zero problem with that trade. The only one I have a problem with is the Jason Vargas trade. He isn’t a good pitcher, that’s the bottom line. I can’t cry about letting Henry Owens go though.
You say Maine and Ollie were throw ins. If you don’t see Ollie’s potential, then you aren’t watching the same team I am. He has #3, possibly #2 type stuff if he could just be more consistent. Telling me Omar lucked out with that one? I think Maine is more feesible than that….however he did turn Jorge Julio (not Lugo) into El Duque in 2006, if you recall.
Bottom line is Omar doesn’t set the market for his own players. This is created by the scouts, media, and other GM’s. He has drafted pitchers the past few years and they haven’t panned out. If you want to fault Minaya, you can fault him for not trading Milledge for Zito at the deadline in 2006. I don’t see where else you could fault him though.
omar valued Pelfrey higher than Bannister.
Bannister – while good last year on a bad team – was extremely lucky with zero pressure to produce.. his BABIP was 264 and he struck out 4.2 batters per 9 innings.
lets see what impact brian bannister has over 3 years before we call him the second coming of Greg Maddox.
Thanks Biggie. Not sure about you, but I value Pelfrey higher as well. I’d be more reluctant to give him up rather than Bannister. I also think Omar got really good value back for Bannister, all things considered.
To stumped1 – Do you really think Joe Smith and Sosa helped the mets that much?
Smith has to prove he’s not a novelity.. he was competely ineffective by June. he has an awful lot to prove in 08.. and Sosa had a few nice starts there. but Bannister would of been much much more successful in the 5th spot for the season then Sosa was..
To Danny –
Yes I was.. when the trade happened, you will see me on here calling him Jorge Julio the 2nd.. you will see me and Costanza going back and forth much like we are now on this guy..
Bannister was good enough to win a spot in the rotation, then got hurt.. and then we got a guy who can’t throw a strike.. and is now damaged goods. and won’t even begin throwing until 2009.
He absolutely lucked out on John Maine.. never was he talked about by Omar when that tade went down.. and he traded for another big arm no control guy in Burgos.. it’s obvious the players he targets.
I am not denying Ollie and Maine are mid rotation guys.. and I am happy to have them.. but considering he tried to trade Ollie the same day he got him to the Pads.. I have a hard time giving Omar that much credit.
In either case.. unless he turns it around.. the bad has far out weighed the good.. I was ok until this Lastings trade.. now I am convinced Omar can’t build a winner… No one on this site is talking how Omar traded for Church while he was with the expos.. he’s just trading for his guys again..
How is a guy who WONT PITCH UNTIL 2009 good value for the 3rd best rookie in the AL last year?
Come on guys.. the only thing anyone remembers about Burgos is the grandslam he gave up to Ryan Howard.. there’s a chance the guy will never even pitch again.. how is Padilla doing after his TMJ?
The guy had a 3.87 ERA, and 1.21WHIP pitching against the Tigers, Red Sox, had 7 shut out against the Indians..
We were 1 win short last year.. you don’t think a full season of Bannister vs Burgos would of netted one or two extra wins?
You are beyond crazy if you think that’s the case.
i don think u can look at it that way.. Bannister was up and down before he blew out his hammy runnig the bases. And he hasnt pitched ina pressure packed situation since blowing out his hammy..
he was extremely lucky last year.. his BABIP was 264 . He is a fly ball pitcher who doesnt strike out anyone. He is close to Steve Trachsel in comparisons.
So he got lucky on a horrible team.. I don t shed tears for Brian Bannister. Over 5 years things will even out and he’ll show to be average at best.
Hmm yeah cause we never go after fly ball pitchers?
Who cares about pressure.. the guy faced better lineups then the Nats, Marlins, and whatever other creap teams owned us down the stretch.
If 5 years Banniser will have a much better career in the Burgos..
Considering Burgos did nothing in 07.. is out for all of 08.. and part of 09. yeah..
If Burgos ever throws a meaninful pitch for the mets again I wil be surprsed.
1.12 Whip.. he got a ton of ground balls.. Wang doesn’t strike a lot of people out, and he’s doing just fine.
We should just trade all our prospects and Willie ,and Omar to the Red Sox for Theo Epstein…then in 3-5 years we will become a dynasty….do it!!!
Ha Ha… But that might not be enough… You might have to include some cash and future considerations… LOL
Wow the mets prospects must really be viewed as pretty damn bad. Must explain why Milledge only netted Church/Schneider. The sad thing is, I don’t see how church/schneider will succeed in NY. I hope I am wrong, but they are going to get booed every time they make an out. The booing will be directed at the trade and not neccessary at the players. Good luck gentlemen.
Huh? I missed the part when Lastings Milledge became a fan favorite, beloved by all of Mets nation, who regarded the day he was traded as Black Friday.
Here’s my guess – no one boos Church or Schneider, unless they really stink.
Then again, Mets fans will spend the next 15 years obsessing over Milledge like they do Kazmir, so I guess I take it back,
I’ll boo Church on opening day. He’s a bum.
Everyone will boo Church.
You missed that part huh. How about at the beginning of the year, when everyone wanted him playing instead of shawn green. How about the electric he brought when he played full time. Look, I am aware of attitude, I don’t really care about him getting traded. But dammit, those two players is what he brought back. I think the mets could of gotten a better player or two for milledge, than what they got. If nothing else, then you keep him and give him the rf job. But then again, willie does not like to play young kids.
I know that I’ll stand up and cheer the guy If I’m at a Mets/Nats game next year.
Throw those young prospects in there! Development time my arse! Pelfrey, Humber, Mulvey: Sink or swim baby!
good.. move on and focus on the O’s Omar..
In what world is Cliff Lee a valuable pitcher?
Cliff Lee? Who’s he? Overwhelmed? I must have woken up in bizarro world!
Seriously, overwhelmed? Why should either team of any trade feel overwhelmed?
Screw Billy Beane and Moneyball. The A’s will never win a World Series. They finally have experienced players that are relatively young and Beane wants to ship them off for prospects. Some one should tell him that this is the majors and not AAA.
Exactly!
Anyway, Omar can only work to do his best with the prospects that he has. Frankly, they aren’t that bad.
I’m excited to see what Pelfrey and Mulvey will offer us in the coming year. Pelfrey has to prove himself this year certainly and showed improvement last year. I don’t see Maine and Perez deteriorating their progress. So, we have a rotation of Pedro, Maine, Perez, Pelfrey, and maybe Livan Hernandez heading into next season with El Duque and Jorge Sosa still in the mix. It’s not an exciting mix of players, but it’s certainly above average.
I also am always thinking about the future and this “worst case” scenario has this team in great shape financially with Delgado coming off the books after the season.
Offensively, everything position is established with plenty of depth. Things can be much worse
hahahaha wow you’re an ignorant dbag
Send Heilman, Gomez, Church and Humber or Pelfrey to the O’s for Bedard, sigh Dotel to replace Heilman and Nady to platoon with Endy in right.
I have never seen any espn people say anything good about the mets. Not in 2000, not in 2006, not now. For some reason espn has some sort of agenda against the mets and are always looking for something negative to comment on. It’s ridiculous and repulsive. I hate that network…
just make sure Linda Cohn is hosting, she’s a big Met fan
The thing I hate the most is every single former Met player they refer to as an ‘Ex-Met Great’ on Sportscenter. Including people like Jay Payton and Julio Franco. It drives me up a wall.
co-sign 100%. i bet u if milledge, pelfrey, humber and gomez were in other teams organizations, they’d be highly touted, but since they’re on the mets, they’re fringe players
actually the former (team) player comment is not just used for mets players. you probably only notice the mets guys bc you know the players. but aside from that there is a definite agenda against the mets and i never understood why. we’re not the yankees, we dont “buy championships”, we arent some big evil empire, it doesnt make sense. normally id say its the general anti-ny bias but they LOVE the yankees. it actually is very refreshing to have linda cohen talk about the mets on sportscenter bc i know im not gonna get some back handed compliment of subtle sarcastic comment.
The only positive things about the Mets that get said on ESPN are things like Steve Phillips talking about how he signed Jose Reyes.
I remember at one point in like May or Early June 2007 he rated the Mets bullpen as the best in baseball. I had a bad feeling that would come back to haunt them……
Steve Phillips is the biggest Met basher on ESPN
not more than buster olney. i hate that guy.
espn has been a mets-bashing network since i can remember, and i’ve been watching since the early 90’s… it seems to me that they picked sides between mets and yankees and it’s blatantly obvious who’s side they’re on. philips is just a bitter son-of-a…. who is trying to take credit for some good things in hopes of getting picked up by some stupid owner for the GM job. case in point, think back to every subway series that is played year to year and think back to the comments uttered by espn analysts on baseball tonight and by anchors on sportscenter. the comments and highlights are always centered around postive for the yankees and negative for the mets…i wish i had some concrete examples to bring up but i have no time to do the digging today…i’m sure that people who’ve watched espn more than 3 times per season know exactly what i’m talking about…
Things arent look good for the Mets. Our only options are Bedard and the rest are average SP.
Omar needs to offer the farm to the Os for Bedard. If Gomez, Mulvey and Pelfrey or heilman cant get it done then its time to add in Fmart
although I would try very hard to exclude fmart from the deal, I dont think at this point in time I would break the deal off for him
The Mets NEED an ace. Bedard is a lefty in his prime coming to the NL. They would control him for the next 2 yrs plus give him a contract.
If they want both Fmart and Gomez then they dont get Pelfrey and Heilman
The ideal package would be Gomez, Mulvey, and their choice of Heilman or Pelfrey.
If they want both Gomez and Fmart then the deal would have to be something like
Gomez, Fmart and Humber
I wouldnt want to pull the trigger on that deal but I think the Mets would have to. I dont care much for Gomez and Humber but I really think Fmart will be legit. But if I have to part with him I would.
The Mets core would be Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Bedard, Maine, Olly.
Of those players only Beltran and Bedard would have “big” contracts. That is good because the Mets would be able to go out and sign a bigtime outfielder in a few yrs which would offset trading Fmart. (I dont think Gomez will turn out to be anything special) Better to trade him now while he has value. (take the lessons from the Milledge experience)
Point is I think Fmart should be the only untouchable but if he has to go he has to go….
Giving up 2 solid OF prospects and a Pitching Prospect in the same deal isnt the bets thing but the Mets need an Ace. Kazmir trade killed us so now we have to overpay to get one. We could be giving up 3 studs, 2 studs, 1 stud or maybe even none for 1 stud. have to take that chance.
Also the Mets need to stop drafting these relievers. They need to improve there drafts and put there money where there mouth is. Stop being cheap with these draft picks and overpay if they have to. drafting is a crapshoot but the current formula isnt working. Its time to mix it up. We need studs.
Gomez, Fmart and Humber won’t get us anything. Have you been reading any of the posts on what the trade teams are asking for? Each one wants AT LEAST one major leaguer and AT LEAST one major league ready player. Neither Gomez, nor FMart, nor Humber are major leaguers and MAYBE Humber is ML-ready, but my guess is he’s not.
Your package of Gomez, FMart and Humber needs to include Heilman and Church at the very least. But even this package doesn’t look very impressive to me. Here’s why:
Gomez is an Endy Chavez in the making. A 4th outfielder who plays great defense and is super fast. He will not be a starter on a contender. Check the scouting reports. Besides, he seems to be injury prone…
FMart has the most upside and would be the main chip in the deal. But he’s very young and is still a few years from being ML ready. He’s a risk – who knows what will happen to him. I think LMillz had the same value when he was that age and look what happened to him…
Humber is barely past tommy john surgery – a red flag no matter what. Plus, he’s projected as a #4 – #5 guy. Teams like their youngsters to throw heat and learn the Glavine-like wally-gagging around the plate later on in their careers. It’s hard to convince a team that a guy who throws a 89 mph fastball at 23 years old will be a great pitcher for years to come. He’s a Trachsel, at best.
Church is a mediocre player, a throw-in in the Milledge deal, and a throw-in here.
Heilman is a good, proven reliever – but he isn’t happy and wants to start. We tried that with him before and it didn’t pan out very well, so if you’re trading him as a starter then he has low value, if you’re trading him as a reliever, the acquiring team has to deal with his unhappiness as well, and be sure that he’ll leave the second he gets a chance to start.
You can’t blame Omar for not having the chips to trade. Two years ago he’d be able to use these guys to get a ton of talent but with all the cash floating around the major league clubs and the starved free agent market are combining to triple values of players. I don’t think Omar has a choice here…
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were not getting anything, omar might as well leave the winter meetings unless hes willing to trade reyes, wright, maine, pedro, Mr.Met, Gary Cohen, Cowbell Man, The Ghost of Mike Piazza, Gomez, Fmart and the rest of the farm system for maybe a Rick Ankiel circa 2000, and thats a huge MAYBE
You forgot to mention the big hat with the apple that pops out of it…..
exageration much?
At this point it really is beginning to look as though we are getting nothing in terms of a top end picther this year so i think its time to start looking at what we can do rather than what we cant do. We can sign Livan or in my opinion Carlos Silva to a deal and take care of the loss of Glavine. We can probably sign Xavier Nady to play in the outfield both platooning with Church and of course filling in for Alou who we know will get hurt. We can give Pelphrey the number five spot in the rotation and see if a kid who can throw 95 can actually be a top level pitcher or if he really is a head case. We can realize that except for a momumental collapse last year we were going to win our division and we still have the best young right side of the infield in all of baseball. If we cant get a star pitcher we cant get a star pitcher and it looks like rushing our prospects to the majors so fast has hurt them in terms of how they are viewed. At this point, I think its best if we get behind those kids that we made and maybe take some lumps for one year. Let the kids play. Let the kids grow. And eventually the kids will win. If Gomez and Martinez are the corner outfielders in 09, i think we are going to be alright. If Pelphrey is a 14 game winner going into 09 i think we are alright. And next year, if Mark Texeira is our first baseman, and we can scoop up the best free agent pitcher thats out there, we are going to be alright.
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You should consider rapping with L-Millz to the hizay
This is getting ridic…more and more, I’m rooting for Omar to stand pat, let the kids play and see how things shake out in the first couple of months of the season. This market is crazy. And I don’t mind going into the season with low expectations.
The problem with our beloved Mets has always been that they build for the short term. They try to stock up to win the ever elusive championship, meanwhile selling off the farm for big name talent, except they dont have the Chips to get productive big names, so they get Old Big names that are way past their prime. At least thats what they used to do, but now the Farm is so Rough that they dont even have the talent to get they old timers. So they make their big statements in the press, saying how they are going to push hard for this guy, or for that guy (2006 Zito, 2007, Santana) Meanwhile they have no chance at getting them and by the time they find out definately that they were outbid, all of the talent that they could get, has been scooped up by other teams.
Lets see the meetings have been going on for 3 1/2 hrs and most of you are ready to surrender….Wait until check out time on Firday morning to pass judgement
It may be the first day of the meetings, but the days/weeks leading us here have defined the trade market very clearly. At this point it doesn’t matter what day it is. We’re very clear on what it will take to get Santana/Bedard/Haren/Blanton – and I don’t thin that it’s a price worth paying. One injury is all it takes to turn a trade like that into a nightmare. I’d rather stick with the 4-5 guys – AT LEAST one will turn out to be a great player.
I think that the only thing left now on the table for Omar is to be creative – this is where we see how well he does and see if he can spin a deal no one is expecting, be it with the Pirates, Dbacks, or even Royals. I really don’t see Omar being stupid enough to give away the entire farm for ONE player. Just think about it…ONE player…it’s not worth it…
i think people need to relax a little. its the 1st day of wineter meetings, not the last day of spring training. for all anybody knows, beene is sayin crap like that to get other teams to up offers. gammons has been known to wrong quite often too. omar cant win here. he either has to make a move right now according to some, or hes rushing and panicking and moving to fast according to others. im content to just let him work it however he feels it has to go, and then see how it pans out before i ready to even think about calling for heads to roll.
Just to calm people a little bit more, take a look at pitchers that will be free agents at the end of next year. Its an impressive list, even if you take off Peavy and Santana. I personally want to shop at the C.C. Sabathia store exclusively next winter!
you can take off peavy because hes close to an extension..
the list is getting short and shorter.
To look towards what may happen NEXT offseason is the worst possible action. No one know what will happen THIS offseason.. never mind 18 months from now.
We’ll drop the ball on Sabathia as well, it’s the Met way.
sabathia will ask for 6 years 108 million and we’ll offer him 4 years at 60 million then say his demands were outrageous.
Tough time for Omar. No contract extension and now this Cliff Lee/Lastings Milledge thing isn’t making things any brighter for the guy. Add to this the fact that the A’s have publicly stated that our prospects just don’t cut for even Blanton. Oh boy…oh boy. Head down Omar, put your clever trade cap on and get some other teams involved.
You know I am so sick and tired of hearing the New York media and other Baseball GM’s insult our farm system, absolutely sick of it. I really do hope that Pelfrey and Humber go out there next year for the Mets and prove these GM’s wrong in some sort of capacity. Sometimes the best trades are the ones that we don’t make. I really do think that the Mets will have the last laugh if they end up holding on to Pelf and Humber, I really do.
“Sometimes the best trades are the ones that we don’t make.”
Or forced not to make. It will make Omar accidentally look like a genius.
why don’t they get a guy like zack greinke fromj KC. 23 years old, first round pick in 03′, had a good rookie year, struggled his second year, losing 17 games, then has depression or something like that, but has come back and split as a reliever, then starter, one of his last starts he pitched like 8 shutouts innings striking out 12. the guy throws 97-98 with a 12-6 curve. omar has to look for those types instead or just focusing on 3 guys.
The ironic thing is, if Pelfrey or Humber wins 12 games next year with a low 4 or high 3 ERA, us Met fans will NEVER want to deal him and then all the trade rumors we’ll hear will be other GM’s saying “any deal needs to include Pelfrey or Humber”. Such is the game of baseball.
A couple of people have mentioned the Mets approaching Pittsburgh about a Nady/Snell package, which is quite intriguing. Only problem I have with Snell is that he is a mouth and has had problems in Pittsburgh.
Still, he is an intriguing name.
Everyone, thoughts on Ian Snell.
i hate to say this but the time to trade reyes for johan santana is now. its obvious that minaya overvalued the mets prospects and its easier to get a good shortstop than an ace/best pitcher in baseball.
pull the trigger omar
You’re insane.
What you’re saying is Santana will contribute more wins to the Mets than Reyes…over the next 5-10 years…you’re insane! Thank goodness the Mets brass doesn’t agree with your kind of mentality…jeez get a clue man!
What great SS is available? Keep in mind that they will need to bat leadoff.
Castillo can man lead off for the interim.
WOW this isn’t worthy of my response, but hey, check the guy’s OBP stats before you nominate him to lead off…plus the dude can’t steal a base anymore…i wouldn’t bat him 2nd if i had a choice…
I know it is early into the meetings but I dont have a good feeling about Omar getting us an ace. I knew trading Milledge was a mistake. Omar tried to say that he spoke to all other GM’s before the deal and they said Milledge wouldnt prevent any deals from happening. I knew it was a lie. Gammons says Beane no longer thinks we have enough talent to deal with Omar now that Milledge is gone. He has been in love with Milledge for years and Omar deals him for 2 bums. Now we cant get Haren or Blanton without Milledge. Omar is pissing me off so far and better figure out a way to get Bedard or I am done with sticking up for him.
A couple of people have mentioned the Mets approaching Pittsburgh about a Nady/Snell package, which is quite intriguing. Only problem I have with Snell is that he is a mouth and has had problems in Pittsburgh.
Still, he is an intriguing name.
Everyone, thoughts on Ian Snell.
Depending on the cost, this is a good choice. But seeing the market as it is, who knows what the Pirates will ask for…Besides what are you doing with Church? – sending him to Pitt? He’s the left handed version of Nady, what’s the benefit here for them?
I want Nady back!!!
Platoon him and Church. What a combo.
Nady would be a great pickup as he can play 1st as well as platoon with Church. Also this would allow Nady to give Alou time off as well. I could see Nady getting at least 3-4 games a week.
I’m confused, scared and want my mommy. :)
No, seriously, all of this trade stuff just weirds me out. I am always a fan of free angency moves because to me, they are a safer bet. I know I’m a wuss when it comes to this, but I’ve felt this way all along and when the Ka…(I can’t bear to say his name) trade went down with Tampa Bay, it made my nightmares come true. Now this Millidge trade spooks me. Even if not for a straight-up trade, he was a great throw-in for a big name. Like any victim, I am gunshy of trades.
off the ledge smitty.
Gammons didnt say that Beane doesnt think the Mets have the right talent NOW that Milledge is gone.. Beane HAD loved Milledge.. He doesnt value him high anymore – like most of the GMs in the League.
Same with Humber and Pelfrey.
Haren isnt going to happen. Beane will hold up whoever loses Santana. Blanton is not the answer given what we would have to give up.
The A’s are impossible to deal with.
Ian Snell? I would trade for him in a heartbeat. Why would the Pirates deal him? What do they want from us for him? If we can get him without giving up Heilman and F-Mart I am all for it. F-Mart is going to be great and Heilman is tough to replace although I dont love his attitude.
Give pelfrey the 5 spot.
No to dealing FMart.
ESPN 1050 is reporting that Orioles GM has a meeting set up with Omar Minaya to discuss a Bedard deal. He is quoted as saying, “When you had a season like we had you have no choice but to listen. We have to listen”. This quote doesnt get my hopes up. All he says is he will listen to Omar but it doesnt mean he will deal Bedard.
Wait a second!!!—We don’t have the goods to get Cliff Lee?
That’s a joke, Right?
wasnt cliff lee in the minors for a period of time this year? mitty, no it doesnt mean he’ll deal him to us but you have to admit at least hearing theres a meeting with the O’s is good, just wish jim duquette was on the other side of that table from omar.
This really sucks. It seems as if some of Omar’s past moves are coming back to bite us. I mean 2 years ago Lastings was to be involved in a Manny Ramirez trade. Last year he was to be involved in a Barry Zito or Roy Oswalt deal. This year he’s gone for Church and Schneider. Why make this deal with his value so low? Why not give him the shot to build it back up at which point we either keep him or trade him for someone legit. It’s clear he made strides and matured a bit from ‘06 to ‘07. The kid is 22 and I don’t see him doing anything other than improving with more experience. The mentality here was clearly win now and disregard the future. Bad move in my opinion. One less chip for the future.
Other areas similar to this was with trading for LoDuca. I’m sure we could have gotten him without giving up Gaby Hernandez. Sure he struggled in the minors this year but the kid threw a no hitter in our single A level. Plus he still pretty well regarded by some people today. Also, the Marlins were in fire sale mode after the ‘05 season. Couldn’t we have given up less than Jacobs AND our #1 pitching prospect at the time. Petit has done zero since then and Delgado in ‘06 justified why he was better than Jacobs at 1B for our team. But still, less prospects to be talking about today. The Jesus Flores situation was just stupid if you ask me. All that so Julio Franco could have a roster spot. We got the raw end of the Bannister trade at this moment. Owens/Lindstrom trade is presently a bust. Can’t fault him with the Heath Bell trade though because Bell and Ring weren’t lights out when they were on our big league club.
Bottom line, Omar made some great trades and signings for us on the big league level. But IMO he has clearly mismanaged his handling of our minor league system and its prospects. Sure, he got us Deolis Guerra and F-Mart, but our system is significantly weaker and viewed that way by pretty much all other scouts and execs. What we need to do is start investing more into our draft picks and in signing international talent. I know more of these “prospects” don’t pan out than the ones that do, but it sure helps when you have a stockpile of them in your system in situations like this when you need an ace.
Snell/Nady for Church or Heilman/Humber/Gomez? You know what? I think I would strongly consider that. Of course for that same reason people could say “thank God I am not Mets GM”. I read somewhere that Snell had more quality starts or just as many as Santana and a group of other pitchers. He’s 26, has had some success in the Majors, is cheap.
Yes, why would the Bucs deal him? Don’t know. He’s been rumored to be on the block. So, who knows? He wouldn’t thrill Met fans, but a rotation featuring Snell/Perez/Maine – ooooohh, personally I am salivating at the idea of three young starters under 27. Of course, Perez AND Snell were in a rotation together before.
Also why not offer Paulie arbitration? What’s the worse that can happen we are on the hook to paying him next year? And do you really think Paulie would accept arbitration knowing he wouldn’t be our everyday starting C next season. One less supplementary pick for next season right there.
And if he accepts then we have 4 catchers on our team. No thanks.
we wouldn’t have 4 catchers because we don’t have to offer Estrada a contract.
This off-season is like the perfect storm…. or IMperfect for our sakes.
very few quality starters available… with a couple of them being QUITE good.
Once Santana goes, there is going to be a mad dash for Haren, then Blanton. Beane knows this full well, and this is what is going to keep their price so high. It should be an absolute bonanza for the A’s this time around.
Omar is really under the gun here… our prospects (particularly pitching) really haven’t panned out that well, so we do not have the luxury of dealing from strength. Rather, we are caught in a squeeze, with seemingly needing to pay through the nose for even serviceable starters.
I am so friggin’ scared that Omar’s need to secure his next contract is going to cause him to make a deal that will mortgage the future for mediocre pitching.
He really needs to be creative in this market. If not, we are going to war with sub-par pitching next season.
Let us pray.
Does anyone out there but me think maybe Omars personality
like that of Billy Beane ( I’m Smarter then everyone in the room)
is starting to cause us problems here?? because unless I’m
really, really missing something it seems our talent is being
very seriously downgraded by everyone out there.
i mean, I’ve been critical but suddenly Millage, Pelphrey,Humber
etc. can’t fetch us a #3 starter or a set-up guy in the pen???
Omar got bitch-slapped by the Nats with the Milledge deal. Other GM’s must be salivating now when they talk to Omar.
Baltimore Sun claims O’s seeking atleast 3 top level-MLB
ready players for Bedard.
They also note however, that Dan Cabarer and Millar are
available on the cheap.
Doesn’t this make sense for US ?
As it doesn’t look like Omar is going to be able to pull off
anything for a real #1 or 2 .
Beane always asks ffor the moon but the fact that we cannot even get Cliff Lee is saddening. What tells me that Omar is clueless and make most terrible moves since he is under pressure to win now. For me, I whether see Mets develop their prospects or raise their value.
What do you guys think?
I am not ready to say that Omar got B*slapped on the Milledge trade just yet…
if he turns around and packages Church with a couple of prospects and brings back something good, then it could just turn out to be a stroke of genius.
That said… I am pretty friggin nervous.
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