Buzz: Mets work with O’s on Bedard

December 3, 2007 at 20:26 pm · 146 comments

by Matthew Cerrone

During an appearance on WFAN, beat-reporter Sweeny Murti said, “There is news floating around that the Mets are close on Erik Bedard.”

Update8:31 pm

…from what i can gather, Omar Minaya has been dumping a ton of rhetoric around, back-peddling on his need to acquire a top-line starting pitcher, while suggesting that he may not be in the best position to make such a trade…

…in fact, a few people close to the team have suggested that when minaya said last week that trading Lastings Milledge wouldn’t hurt his chances of making a trade for pitcher, what he really meant was that with or without milledge he could not make a trade for a pitcher because he just doesn’t have the horses either way

…frankly, i’m skeptical of everything, be it positive or negative

Update8:45 pm

earlier, i was sent on a wild-goose chase suggesting that the Mets could be working with the O’s on a deal involving Miguel Tejada, paying his way to a third team, while acquiring bedard, but i don’t sense there is any thing to that

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throatneedle December 3, 2007 at 8:28 pm

best news i’ve heard all day. do whatever it takes minaya

mets946 December 3, 2007 at 8:51 pm

I couldn’t agree more!! WhatEVER it takes to land Bedard is fine with me – I would try Gomez, Heilman, Humber, and another minor leaguer or two…

ravin108 December 3, 2007 at 10:52 pm

i love a rumor with a lot of juice

Deaner December 3, 2007 at 8:29 pm

This could be a good thing for the mets to get into.

They may have to give up less to acquire him and if a 3rd team gets involved, it could make it a bit better to match up needs.

Who is a good fit for tejada?

mets17 December 3, 2007 at 8:35 pm

Angels? They need a big bat and a SS and they also have the prospects.

pifman December 3, 2007 at 8:36 pm

But do the Mets want prospects?

matt_bucc December 3, 2007 at 10:17 pm

i think the O’s would be the ones getting the prospects. They’d be used to buttress the Mets’ offer I would presume.

natew December 3, 2007 at 8:29 pm

very interesting…

that basically how the Braves ended up with Mike Hampton while the Marlins payed 3 years of his salary. Though in that case it was the Marlins ‘buying’ prospects, not a top starter.

Its not my money, so go get it done Omar. :)

Meddler December 3, 2007 at 8:29 pm

What???? That’s a little scary! Maybe they move Delgado and eat his contract??? I can’t stomach the thought of anything worse than that happening to this Mets infield for pitching.

NYMetz6986 December 3, 2007 at 8:31 pm

or maybe reyes is involved…i suggested something like this the other day…perhaps a reyes, gomez, heilman and humber for bedard and tejada.

pifman December 3, 2007 at 8:31 pm

Let us hope that doesn’t mean they really are considering trading Reyes for Santana… but perhaps they may attempt a 3 way deal with the Twins and will have Santana and Bedard?

John Paul Cullinane December 3, 2007 at 8:32 pm

do whatever it takes to get bedard…that’s who i’ve wanted anyway…Santana and haren are apparently not fits in trades for the metropolitans…you gotta get bedard. If not start talking to the giants about cain or lincecum

Wyoming Met December 3, 2007 at 8:33 pm

Interesting, very very interesting.

Didnt see this one coming.

pezao December 3, 2007 at 8:34 pm

If we have Bedard, Tejada, and Santana, could we live without Reyes? Maybe the Twins will take Tajada + 15 others……

John Paul Cullinane December 3, 2007 at 8:36 pm

can we throw in delado and get millar too…please? I just can’t root for the guy, i’m just rooting for laundry with him.

anothermetsfaninla December 3, 2007 at 8:36 pm

Maybe we spin off Tejada to the Angels for some pitching?

gowrightgo December 3, 2007 at 8:36 pm

I had a thought a week ago or so.

Trade Reyes straight up for Santana

Then trade Mulvey, Humber, Gotay, Perez and Gomez for Bedard
and Tejada.

Maybe there is something to it after all

metsfanspleasestopbeingnegative December 3, 2007 at 8:47 pm

how about Reyes for J. Santana

and

Heilman, Humber, J. Maine, F. Martinez, Gotay for Bedard & Tejada

and

Pelfrey & David Wright for Miguel Cabrera

hah!

pifman December 3, 2007 at 8:55 pm

One word… why?

TilMetsDoUsPart December 3, 2007 at 9:23 pm

Since when did piff make sense?

I dont know but it does here…

randymac88 December 3, 2007 at 8:36 pm

Why not throw Tejada at second and eat Castillo’s contract, or send him away?

RespectDaBestRM December 3, 2007 at 8:42 pm

tejada is only in it to then ship him off to boston because boston will be sending pedroia as part of the trade for santana and then they’ll move lugo to second and they still keep ellsbury and bucholtz.
it will be pedroia, lester and another prospect for santana and they’ll get tejada from the mets as part of the 3 way for bedard.

pifman December 3, 2007 at 8:48 pm

Trade Pedroia and keep Lugo… you wouldn’t happen to know the drug commonly used by The Beatles would you?

matt_bucc December 3, 2007 at 11:23 pm

no, that won’t happen.

can_of_corn December 3, 2007 at 8:39 pm

If it’s Bedard and Tejada, then Reyes is definitely involved, unless it’s a package like Gomez and Maine. (Tejada moves to first base, and we send Delgado to the AL for some prospects.)

Under either scenario, I’d pass. Bedard doesn’t have the track record that Santana does (duh), and he’s not as young (or cheap) as Haren.

mets17 December 3, 2007 at 8:42 pm

Don’t you get it. if its involving Tejada that is worse for us and we shouldnt have to give up as much, because of his high salary. So that means Reyes isn’t involved.

stickguy December 3, 2007 at 8:41 pm

I said before that taking back some bad contracts is the best way for the Mets to get someone like Bedard.

If the Mets supposedly have all this $$ available, but no one to spend it on, but a shortage of prospects to trade, then the smart play is to trade money.

You do that by eating big contracts, either attached to a good 9but overpriced) player, or getting the guy you want + the bad deals.

Not sure what to do with Tejada. Trade for what you can get, eating 1/2 the salary? Again, not a bad idea, since you are effectively trading $$ for players.

WOnder what that deal would cost?

Hey, dump Dlegado on them, and put Tejada at 1st!

Mets24 December 3, 2007 at 8:42 pm

I heard that interview on the way home. Sweeny started to say that, and instead of asking more about it, Fat Mike (Francessa) just cut him off and went on to another topic. That’s typical of Fat Mike – he talks over everyone.

stickguy December 3, 2007 at 8:43 pm

Don’t jump on th eguy that wants to dump Castillo.

Why can’t he be traded? If Tejada can play second, go for it!

born2run01 December 3, 2007 at 8:43 pm

There is no way the Mets both take on Tejada’s salary and trade Delgado/eat most of his contract

rolson2386 December 3, 2007 at 8:43 pm

i can see this winter meeting ending without any real moves being made… or the acquisition of lower tier pitching… a lot of hype for nothing

Pedro December 3, 2007 at 8:45 pm

Wow, the update that he posted just completely negated what he orignially posted. Now they don’t have the horses for a deal?!? What the hell is going on over there

Blue_n_Orange December 3, 2007 at 8:46 pm

I’ve felt for some time that this was the Mets best thing to fall back on. They have a HUGE revenue stream and can absorb contracts like the other heavy hitters. Now is the time to do it. So the prospects are a bit on the weak side, take on all of Tejada’s money plus throw in some of our best prospects and now we can start talking. I wouldn’t mind trying Tejada out at 1st and moving Delgado for some relief pitching.

loopenark December 3, 2007 at 8:46 pm

No, no, no — what this means is that to get Bedard, the O’s want to dump salary by making you take Tejada and all his money. So the O’s send the Bedard to the Mets, Tejada to the Angels, the Angels send decent prospects to the O’s, the Mets send a lesser package to the O’s and the Mets pick up a bunch of the Tejada money. The O’s get out from under the money, the Angels get the bat they want at a lower cost, and the Mets get a good pitcher without having to give up all of their prospects.

If the rumor is at all real, this is likely what it is.

ExileInLA December 3, 2007 at 9:42 pm

That would be the smartest thing out there. The Mets have more money than prospects; they need to take $ back in swaps.

What about the following:

LAA gives: Brandon Wood (SS/3B), Jeff Mathis (C), Erwin Santana (P), Kelvim Escobar (P)

LAA gets: Miguel Tejada (SS-Bal); John Maine (P-Mets)

BAL gives: Miguel Tejada (SS); Eric Bedard (P)

BAL gets: Brandon Wood (SS/3B – LAA), Jeff Mathis (C – LAA), Erwin Santana (P – LAA), Fernando Martinez (OF-NYM), Mike Pelfrey (P-NYM) plus relief from big salaries

NYM gives: John Maine (P), Fernando Martinez (OF), Mike Pelfrey (P), lots of $ to LAA via swapping Maine for Escobar

NYM gets: Kelvim Escobar (P-LAA), Eric Bedard (P-BAL).

Angels give up 1 ML pitcher, and 2 top prospects, for Tejada, plus cut their salaries & get young by taking Maine for Escobar.

Baltimore gets 1 proven young pitcher, plus Pelfrey, plus Tejada’s replacement, plus a catcher that allows them to dump Ramon and a player for the future in F-Mart.

Mets give up a huge upside in F-Mart, get older & pricier at the back end of the rotation, and get a #1 in Bedard.

SenatorSteve December 3, 2007 at 11:51 pm

I almost never see a realisic rade proposal on this site, but I love this one. I can’ t figure out which team is getting the short end of the stick on this trade. That is a pretty good sign that you did a good job putting it together.

Pedro December 3, 2007 at 8:47 pm

oh well, that was an exciting 15 minutes

can_of_corn December 3, 2007 at 8:47 pm

Reyes-Humber for Bedard-Tejada sounds a lot like Ramirez-Sanchez for Beckett-Lowell….

beltran07 December 3, 2007 at 8:49 pm

except when the marlins traded reyes, he was no where near the player he is right now in terms of development. reyes is proven. if thats the deal we dont do it

beltran07 December 3, 2007 at 8:50 pm

***my fault i meant when the marlins traded hanley***

adropofvenom December 3, 2007 at 8:56 pm

Turned into a good deal for both sides eh?

beltran07 December 3, 2007 at 8:47 pm

how much would we hafta give up for bedard??

here is what i’m pondering about teh deal: we give up church and pelfrey, receive bedard and tejada but must assume his whole contract, then spin him off to another team for 2 prospects (this is still assuming we eat up a majority of tejada’s contract for the other team to ensure we get top talent back from them) and spin these players back off to the orioles to complete their deal for bedard.

landyg21 December 3, 2007 at 8:51 pm

The Angels want Tejada, They send Brandon Wood to the O’s and Ervin Santana to the Mets and we’ll pay half the salary.

beltran07 December 3, 2007 at 8:55 pm

if that were to occur, i highly doubt we’d receive santana back. they’re saying that the bedard demands may be higher than the santana demands.

wood+pelf+e.santana+church

could this get it done??

could we get wood and santana for tejada and most of his contract?

landyg21 December 3, 2007 at 9:00 pm

The problem here is the O’s owner who only likes a steal. I would think they could get both back and that would stop them from sending Santana, Wood and 2 other prospects to the Marlins for Cabrera. The Mets could help themselves in more than one way here.

landyg21 December 3, 2007 at 9:47 pm

The Angels don’t want Tejada’s contract. The Mets would have to eat half.

NYMetz6986 December 3, 2007 at 8:52 pm

no offense but stop dreaming…his contract isnt even that bad for a 300 hitter who might hit 20 and 100…for this to get done i would have to think that both gomez anf martinez are involved…prob along with major leaguer heilman.

landyg21 December 3, 2007 at 8:55 pm

Martinez is going nowhere, 18 in AA. Come on, you probably can’t name another in your lifetime. The only other one I know was Felix Hernandez.

NYMetz6986 December 3, 2007 at 8:58 pm

that makes no sense

pifman December 3, 2007 at 9:00 pm

Andruw Jones in the playoffs at age 19?

NYMetz6986 December 3, 2007 at 9:00 pm

ohh you mean not leaving our farm system…i can see where your coming from but for bedard i think you would have to.

landyg21 December 3, 2007 at 9:04 pm

You couldn’t trade Andruw Jones for Bedard until this year. I’ll take my 8 plus great seasons with Martinez then 4 for Bedard.

NYMetz6986 December 3, 2007 at 9:30 pm

martinez might be good we all know bedard is good i also forgot to mention his 1.07 whip and that he plays in the al east and against the yankees and red sox he was a combined 3-0 while only allowing 8 er in 34 2/3 innings which is about a 2 era and thats in 5 gs…take a look at the results and you see a true ace.

landyg21 December 3, 2007 at 9:45 pm

Jeff Suppan shut down the Mets in the post season, that doesn’t make him an ace. Some pitcher just own other team like Mussina being something like 20-2 against the O’s.

landyg21 December 3, 2007 at 8:48 pm

If the Mets can trade for Bedard and Tejada even though they eat his salary, they have to do it. I just want to know what the Mets have to give up. I’m not giving up top prospects such as a Guerra, Martinez, or Gomez to acquire unless they’re taking Delgado off our hands.

John Paul Cullinane December 3, 2007 at 8:52 pm

that’s what i was saying…the winter would be successful to just get rid of him…it’s like Kaz…a sunk cost. Best of luck, but it will never work out here…good riddance

NYMetz6986 December 3, 2007 at 8:56 pm

you gotta be kidding…bedard is a top 5 pitcher in the game these days…do yourself a favor and go checkout highlights of bedard pitching from last year and then come back and tell me you dont want the 94 mph heater and devastating curve in your rotation next season…for unknowns like gomez and martinez and guerra. Id give up guerra and gomez in a heartbeat and pay the 30 or so mil left on tejadas contract.

landyg21 December 3, 2007 at 9:05 pm

Oswalt, Santana, Halladay, Peavy, Beckett. I don’t see Bedard on that list.

landyg21 December 3, 2007 at 9:10 pm

Sabathia, Haren, Verlander, King Felix, Webb not on that list either. Where does a 13 game winner fit in this, hmmmmm Wang 19 wins, Zambrano 18 wins, and Kazmir 13 wins, but lead the league in K’s. Top 5, lol.

pifman December 3, 2007 at 9:11 pm

Yeah there are a good number of pitchers I would say are better than Bedard. And believe it or not Pedro Martinez is better, he has recovered you can all believe it at this point and he is back. He may not pitch 230 innings but I think 180 is reasonable from Pedro and with 200+ strikeouts and an ERA in the low 3s could you expect more from Bedard?

NYMetz6986 December 3, 2007 at 9:17 pm

3.17 era and 221 k’s..enough said…you cant look at those win totals on a terrible baltimore team…camden yards is also a hitters ball parktop 5 MAYBE was pushing it but hes definitely top 10.

landyg21 December 3, 2007 at 9:22 pm

But you also have pitcher like Hamels, Smoltz, Lackey, Carmona, and Maine and Perez who had more wins then Bedard. Top 10 is still a stretch, but I can deal with it.

pifman December 3, 2007 at 9:29 pm

It is not ridiculous at all. At the beginning of the season he got that major shoulder injury he was leading the majors in strikeouts. I don’t think a mediocre pitcher could do that. Pedro is not done, he is still going strong. The evidence from his starts at the end of the most recent season didn’t prove that to you? And that is after just coming off of rehab, I feel extremely confident he will be even better in this coming season. And especially since he has a leadership quality about him and has the ability to mentor and teach younger pitchers I value Pedro much more than I would value Bedard.

metsftw December 3, 2007 at 9:47 pm

hahaha…halladay is so overrated it’s not even funny. 1 good season does not a pitcher make. king felix? LOL. please.

John Paul Cullinane December 3, 2007 at 11:08 pm

that was a reply…it’s about delgado being a sunk cost…i want bedard

longtimesufferingmetsfan December 3, 2007 at 8:51 pm

omar is an incompetent fool. there will be no big trade. once again, the “my team or nothing crowd” believes all the propoganda put out by the mets. right now it would seem the mets are the laughingstock of baseball.. third place in 2008

Militant Metsfan December 3, 2007 at 8:52 pm

Eat Tejada’s contract. If Reyes is involved…no deal.

If people are bitchin and moaning about trading a supposed prospect like Milledge….imagine how it will be if Reyes…one of the top 5 players in all of baseball is traded…and I’ll be bitching the loudest.

Only Met haters would want us to get rid of reyes.

John Paul Cullinane December 3, 2007 at 8:53 pm

reyes – arguably the third best shortstop in the NL East

pifman December 3, 2007 at 8:57 pm

You are ridiculous. Hanley Ramirez cannot field for his life and won’t be a SS for much longer and Jimmy Rollins had a career year when Reyes had the biggest slump of his short career. Have some faith… arguably the 3rd best in the division. And to think before this season he was arguably the best player in the majors.

runxc3200 December 3, 2007 at 8:59 pm

reyes – arguably the third best shortstop in baseball

pifman December 3, 2007 at 9:03 pm

No, when I say this I am not being biased as a Mets fan. Reyes is the best SS in the NL East. He has the best arm and is the fastest, has good natural instincts and will develop into a perennial gold glover. Is a switch hitter with power from both sides. Can steal the most bases in any season, can hit for over .300 and into the gaps. You are a pathetic Mets fan.

John Paul Cullinane December 3, 2007 at 9:09 pm

I’m not a pathetic mets fan to think Hanley Ramirez is better…and you can make a case that Rollins is better…hence arguably the third best in the NL East…

Sorry guy…but that’s the truth.

pifman December 3, 2007 at 9:19 pm

Technically you could say that arguably Victor Zambrano is better than Sandy Koufax. It doesn’t make it true or even remotely likely. And yes you are pathetic, Hanley Ramirez is such a bad fielder he will be at 1B within 2 years. And Rollins has about 5 years on Reyes, had the best year of his career and look at the stadium he plays in. There is absolutely no argument that Reyes is 3rd best.

Militant Metsfan December 3, 2007 at 9:04 pm

B.S. Reyes is the top Short Stop in the NL…in fact he’s the best shortstop in New york.

I’m beginning to wonder why some people are will to throw Reyes away and not White…umm…Wright.

Seems to me that Black players are given a short rope by the Mets and a majority of their fans…

Deaner December 3, 2007 at 9:10 pm

lol

reyes is dominican, not black

pifman December 3, 2007 at 9:20 pm

Last time I checked Dominican wasn’t a color.

Deaner December 3, 2007 at 9:57 pm

you go call a haitian person black and let me know how that works out

DMAT89 December 3, 2007 at 8:58 pm

rollins plays in a ban box…

DMAT89 December 3, 2007 at 8:59 pm

band*

TilMetsDoUsPart December 3, 2007 at 8:59 pm

As long as we don’t have any holes at any positions, and the names Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Maine, Perez or Martinez don’t leave the Mets, it will be a breath of fresh air for Erik Bedard to be a Met.

Eat at Miguel Tejada’s contract like crazy but get Bedard!

rj101592 December 3, 2007 at 9:03 pm

So does that 8:45 update meen it’s not gonna happen?

longtimesufferingmetsfan December 3, 2007 at 9:04 pm

the 2008 Mets, your season was over before it started

Mets_Rangers 0087 December 3, 2007 at 9:14 pm

Will you shut up already? I’m sick of reading your pessimistic posts wit the same negativity over and over again….get lost if you have lost all faith in this team.

longtimesufferingmetsfan December 3, 2007 at 9:19 pm

it’s called realism.

m00kie December 3, 2007 at 10:10 pm

it’s called annoying.

itsmetsforme December 3, 2007 at 9:13 pm

do the orioles still enjoy the rights to Sammy Sosa? That’d be one way to get Om*r’s attention!

spendfredsmoney December 3, 2007 at 9:13 pm

I think Omar might try and flip Schnider and Church with Pelfry and Humber to get Bedard and Ramon Hernandez.

mets17 December 3, 2007 at 9:15 pm

Is that just a hunch?

hoebaghoey December 3, 2007 at 9:16 pm

I think while talking with the O’s they should consider trading for Daniel Cabrera. He should come cheap the O’s have been disapointed with his control and Rick Peterson could help him out. Not only could the Mets use him as a stater you could put him into a less demanding roll such as the bullpen and put Heilman in the rotation.

mets17 December 3, 2007 at 9:19 pm

I bet he could fix him in 10 minutes

rogasm December 3, 2007 at 9:48 pm

Heilman will NOT be in the rotation…he is NOT a good starter.

landyg21 December 3, 2007 at 9:19 pm

All I know is that Minaya has to get rid of Estrada in any deal that he makes.

acoustic567 December 3, 2007 at 11:22 pm

I doubt that anyone would take Estrada in a trade. The Mets are just going to have to non-tender him. The Nats wouldn’t even take him from the Mets for free.

Pedro December 3, 2007 at 9:22 pm

If Bedard ends up getting dealt, chances are it only happens after the Santana situation is resolved. To deal Bedard now would be irresponsibe by the Orioles as once Santana is out of the equation..Bedard’s (as well as Haren’s) value would skyrocket.
The good news is that if the Yanks don’t land Johan, they can’t steal Bedard since the owner of the O’s apparently hates the Yanks and would not deal to them.

Meddler December 3, 2007 at 9:27 pm

The only way I might disagree with you is if the O’s might be interested in Ramon Castro. If they were looking for him to replace Ramon Hernandez, they’d probably have to act soon, as we’re approaching the non-tender deadline. If it means getting Bedard, I can stomach an Estrada/Schneider tandem.

danarp December 3, 2007 at 9:25 pm

Humber, Gomez and Martinez for Bedard and Tejeda.
Than ship Tejeda to Anaheim for Jered Weaver

TenTonHammer December 3, 2007 at 9:26 pm

Who is going to trade for Estrada? He’s not under contract, he’ll be cut loose in a few days and everyone knows it.

Think folks.

“Than ship Tejeda to Anaheim for Jered Weaver”

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

Meddler December 3, 2007 at 9:30 pm

What Estrada does do though is give the Mets flexibility if someone likes Ramon Castro. If say, the Orioles, have Castro earmarked as a guy to replace Ramon Hernandez (or at least be a stopgap to Wieters), the Mets can discuss that possibility but only until the deadline to Tender Estrada a contract. After that, they’d have to get Hernandez back in any deal involving Castro.

TilMetsDoUsPart December 3, 2007 at 9:28 pm

Oh wow.

Just look at the possibilites.

Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Maine, Perez, Martinez remain Mets, and all the holes are filled by guys then I’m OK.

Prefer to keep Wagner, Schneider, Feliciano and Pelfrey as well.

landyg21 December 3, 2007 at 9:35 pm

All I know the Mets are still the best team in the National League and there is no need to make a stupid move just to keep up with the Yanks and Boston. We need to make the World Series first before we get rid of the farm.

rolson2386 December 3, 2007 at 9:36 pm

yea i believe the estrada deal was just done to get rid of mota, as far of a johan deal, i strongly feel that he’s going no where… once hughes was offered and the twins didn’t act on that right away it was killed… considering pettitte is coming back I don’t see the need to trade away young talent… if at anytime he’s traded i could see it at next year’s deadline, after wear and tear of the first half change teams pitching staffs and line-ups… With the Mets i just don’t really see what the O’s are so impressed with the young talents we have, besides the untouchables… minaya did say the other day reyes is going nowhere and i firmly believe that… prepare from him to acquire lower tier pitching… which is no big problem as long as our offenses stable in the end and their are no major injuries

reyes789 December 3, 2007 at 9:44 pm

Matt, update please

firemetmanagement December 3, 2007 at 9:54 pm

No way they would trade Bedard this soon. It would be irresponsible on Baltimore’s part to not at least wait until the end of the Winter Meetings…

chew13 December 3, 2007 at 9:55 pm

Duquette is now Orioles GM. HE OWES US FOR THE KAZMIR-ZAMBRANO DEBACLE!! Do it Jimmy! Make it up to us, as much as you can.

firemetmanagement December 3, 2007 at 9:55 pm

mlbtraderumors.com doesn’t put much stock into this report, and they are very reliable…rotoworld is reliable too though, but they are basically getting their info from this site/WFAN, etc.

Meddler December 3, 2007 at 9:55 pm

http://mlb-rumors.blogspot.com/2007/12/report-mets-close-to-acquiring-bedard.html

Hotfoot links to that site, I haven’t read it long but it usually seem’s pretty accurate.

gipper913 December 4, 2007 at 1:40 am

Same website now says:

“UPDATE: The report that suggested Erik Bedard is on his way to the Mets is “false,” according to one executive with the Mets. However, talks are ongoing.”

landyg21 December 3, 2007 at 9:56 pm

then again brian cashman says there’s alot of interest in Farnsworth, lol.

firemetmanagement December 3, 2007 at 9:57 pm

From mlbtraderumors:

Jays In On Bedard, Bay, And More

The Globe and Mail’s Jeff Blair has several new rumors in his column tonight.

* The Jays’ President, Paul Godfrey, is all about bringing in a big-name Canadian player. Blair rattles off Jason Bay, Erik Bedard, Ryan Dempster, Rich Harden, and Eric Gagne as available Canada natives. Of course, not all of those guys would be draws.
* The Jays are indeed in on Bedard, which is a surprise since starting pitching is a strength of theirs. This idea has been around since at least May though. Blair talked to one exec who said the Jays are planning to get “aggressive and creative.” It had been previously thought the Jays would have a low-key winter.
* Blair talks of somehow sending A.J. Burnett to Baltimore in a Bedard deal, which makes little sense for the O’s even if Burnett would like to play there. In my estimation the O’s could ask for Alex Rios or Dustin McGowan for Bedard. The Jays could try to push Adam Lind and Shaun Marcum instead but I don’t see that getting it done. I could see the O’s asking about Travis Snider as well.
* Blair says the Jays could get Matt Cain or Tim Lincecum “right away” if they’d offer Rios to the Giants. Blair even says an expanded deal could send Lind and/or Troy Glaus over to San Francisco as well. Hmmm.

therealsandman December 3, 2007 at 10:04 pm

i just want some1 from an official site to announce it because its starting 2 upset me with all different reports

Innis_2_winnis December 3, 2007 at 10:28 pm

Humer, Heilman, Church, and PNL…for Bedard….wow. I’d be excited if that’s the final offer that got it done. However, I don’t see why Bal’s feet are to the fire to do this so quickly – a bidding war is to the O’s advantage.

The pragmatist in me wants to wait to hear something official before I get too excited.

Tonight’s been an emotional rollercoaster, reading “we’re in for this guy”, “we have no chance on that guy”. Whew…still a few days of Winter Meetings to go…

Innis_2_winnis December 3, 2007 at 10:29 pm

sorry – I meant “Humber”, not “humer”.

nydre78 December 3, 2007 at 10:58 pm

Tim Kurk…..Tim Kujr……..

Tim K just said on espnews that the Mets and O’s are close to a deal that would send the O’s Heilman, Gomez, Humber and Mulvey for Bedard and a player to be named….

TenTonHammer December 3, 2007 at 11:06 pm

“Heilman, Gomez, Humber and Mulvey for Bedard and a player to be named….”

I’d say that’s a win for us. Humber isn’t a big loss, Heilman is just a slightly above average reliever, and Gomez would need to go anyway.

Do it, if it’s on the table.

Metsfan980 December 3, 2007 at 11:12 pm

Heilman is not a slightly above average reliever. His 9 win shares last season left him tied for 6th on the most valuable National League relief pitcher rankings.

Most of the pitchers ahead of Heilman were closers.

TenTonHammer December 3, 2007 at 11:14 pm

I don’t put as much stock in things like win shares as I do times when he came through in clutch situations. Heilman has a propensity for giving up painful gopher balls.

He’s not irreplaceable. And he shouldn’t be a dealbreaker.

Metsfan980 December 3, 2007 at 11:30 pm

The only reason that a relief pitcher “chokes” in “clutch” situations, is because they blow a lead or give up a lead.

Had they not done so and kept their team in the game or with the lead, then that game would be another forgotten successful performance.

Heilman gave up eight homers last season, certainly not as many as most imply he gave up.

TilMetsDoUsPart December 3, 2007 at 11:10 pm

If it was a 3 team dael it couldve been a D’Ray

rj101592 December 3, 2007 at 11:12 pm

ESPN2 baseball tonight is on, and O’s GM is suppose to come on so stay tuned to that

BiggieSmalls December 3, 2007 at 11:15 pm

ive been saying for some time that the Road to an Ace is thru Baltimore and a stop at the salary dump buffett..

an interesting match.. maybe ramon castro and ramon hernandez get paired off. the O’s have some hot C prospect they want to give some time to and Hernandez / scheider would make a good tandem.. assuming Estrada is non tendered.

Mota would be a good take back if we incluude Church and Gomez in the deal.

BRadford clearly has value and a cheap contract

Danys Baez is laid up and will miss 08 and is due 12 mil over the next two years and has a bum arm

Tejada we know about.. but he HAS to have some value in a trade../. the O’s may be asking too much but hes worth something?

falcon4e December 3, 2007 at 11:27 pm

What are they saying?

zen December 3, 2007 at 11:27 pm

definately would love to add bedard. his health is a bit of a concern, but not enough to stop a deal: bedard, maine, ollie would be nice for the next five years or so.

Gilch December 3, 2007 at 11:55 pm

his health to me is more than just a BiT of concern ….. but its still a move they MUST make

Innis_2_winnis December 4, 2007 at 12:08 am

False rumor, eh?

I wonder if it “false” because the original report was Humber, Heilman, Church, and a PNL for Bedard

while

Kurk’s report was Heilman, Gomez, Humber and Mulvey for Bedard and a PNL.

Or maybe it is legitimately false. Or maybe they’re negotiating, as suggested by the update on the original report. O rmaybe I need to give up for the night, pour a scotch, and tie a fly.

stickguy December 4, 2007 at 12:21 am

I would prefer to send GOmez over CHurch actually, assuming the pieces were tweaked appropriately.

At least with CHurch they have a rF for 2008+. Gomez will be totally overmatched.

The big danger with unloading for 1 SP is opening up holes elsewhere that come back to bite you in the butt.

Humber, Heilman, Gomez only really hurts the pen, and that is the esiest place to dig up or mix and match soem live bodies.

Meddler December 3, 2007 at 8:32 pm

Yeah but where does he play??? I guess you could just spin him at a pretty low price for a prospect or two. Craziness if this is true.

mdemaio December 3, 2007 at 8:38 pm

I was thinking the same thing…

Meddler December 3, 2007 at 8:39 pm

By trading for Bedard and Tejada and then trading Reyes for Santana. Its quite a thought huh??? Kinda tough to wrap your mind around.

pifman December 3, 2007 at 8:42 pm

Well you know if Reyes and say Fernando Martinez are involved along with other prospects I would be extremely angry if we only managed to get Bedard back for it. The only way I trade Reyes is if I get a good replacement and Santana. Then the other prospects the Mets include in the deal would go towards getting Bedard. It is plausible, not neccesarily possible but at least plausible.

RespectDaBestRM December 3, 2007 at 8:43 pm

its not only the wilpons. No owner in sports will release a player they just signed to a 4 year deal.

pifman December 3, 2007 at 8:44 pm

The only question is who do we have to trade to make them want to give up Bedard? If we take all of Tejada’s contract we would get him for practically nothing, but they didn’t seem to like our previous offers for Bedard and if the Twins want more than Reyes for Santana they can jump off the Empire State Building.

pifman December 3, 2007 at 8:46 pm

I disagree on your first statement. I completely agree with your second. Why would we ever trade a good pitcher for a better one? The better one costs extra prospects and extra cash and how many more games would Bedard win for us that Perez couldn’t? Maybe 4 or 5? Is that worth 3 or 4 prospects plus 10 million or so more a year?

NYMetz6986 December 3, 2007 at 8:49 pm

what you could do is trade reyes for santana and then package gomez for tejada…but lets hope they can get bedard without giving up reyes…gomez, fernando martinez, and heilman i would think have to all be involved for that to happen…but at this point im fine with that.

natew December 3, 2007 at 9:24 pm

In this senario, which seems like its not really much of a rumor now, I would imagine the Twins would get Bedard if they are giving up Santana. I guess the Orioles would get Reyes, and the Mets would get Santana and Tejada while giving the Twins another prospect as well like Gomez. (maybe the Mets send the Twins a prospect as well like Mulvey)

Of course, Bedard makes little sense for the Twins because they would be in the same spot next off season with him instead. Especially if they can get Lester or Hughes who would be more valuable to them than Bedard.

anyhoo, lets not get too hypothetically greedy ;)

matt_bucc December 3, 2007 at 10:20 pm

any trade including jose reyes is a terrible idea

beltran07 December 3, 2007 at 9:00 pm

metsblog just teamed up w/ sny so supposedly it’s easier for him to get rumors and news from the network that covers the mets???? idk

TilMetsDoUsPart December 3, 2007 at 9:00 pm

Especially after his deal with SNY I fully trust Matt.

No matter what source.

Deaner December 3, 2007 at 9:22 pm

I actually can’t read

My girlfriend read everything to me and she has a speech impediment so it makes it tough to understand … and ” “

MrBotch December 3, 2007 at 9:22 pm

4 or 5 more wins last year woulda had us in the playoffs

pifman December 3, 2007 at 9:50 pm

Besides the fact that I am simply guessing 3 or 4, the fabric of the season would have been different if Bedard had already been on the team. And that doesn’t answer the question of whether or not it is worth 3 of our best prospects plus the huge amount difference in annual salary. For all we know Bedard won’t get us a single victory more than Perez would have. Perez and Maine are above average pitchers for very cheap salaries. They aren’t going anywhere to acquire another pitcher unless it is straight up which would be hard to imagine.

therealsandman December 3, 2007 at 9:52 pm

yea i hope some1 finds this somewhere cuz its getting me excited

landyg21 December 3, 2007 at 9:53 pm

We are at the top but some people took the last 2 weeks off. Same rotation nothing special. Like I said, worry about getting to the world series, after that I’ll worry about what the needs are.

matt_bucc December 3, 2007 at 10:19 pm

replacing jose reyes with miguel tejada, even with the benefit of getting erik bedard, would be so incredibly stupid i don’t even want to think about it. i really hope that isn’t even a consideration.

gipper913 December 4, 2007 at 1:39 am

Same website now has:

“UPDATE: The report that suggested Erik Bedard is on his way to the Mets is “false,” according to one executive with the Mets. However, talks are ongoing. “

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