Comments on: Buzz: The Yankees need to Decide on Santana http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/03/buzz-the-yankees-need-to-decide-on-santana/ MetsBlog.com features the latest Mets rumors, player movement, and news circulating around the Internet, as well as Mets related insights and opinions by Matthew Cerrone and his team of guest bloggers. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:48:15 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: winning video poker http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/03/buzz-the-yankees-need-to-decide-on-santana/#comment-110446 winning video poker Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:29:12 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/03/buzz-the-yankees-need-to-decide-on-santana/#comment-110446 <strong>computer black jack...</strong> In general play free online slots game casino no deposit bonus code... computer black jack…

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]]> By: BiggieSmalls http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/03/buzz-the-yankees-need-to-decide-on-santana/#comment-53293 BiggieSmalls Tue, 04 Dec 2007 05:44:37 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/03/buzz-the-yankees-need-to-decide-on-santana/#comment-53293 Maine was our best pitcher last year for long stretches. He showed some serious stones in the 2006 playoffs., did he tire down the stretch? yes.. but he never got close to 190 innings before. Maine has the mental makeup and stuff to be a lock down Starter.. he was probably the one pitcher last year that you consistently had some confidence in when he pitched. He won 15 games for this team and was one of the best pitchers in the league in the first half. plus he comes dirt cheap for the next 3 plus years. Maine was our best pitcher last year for long stretches.

He showed some serious stones in the 2006 playoffs.,

did he tire down the stretch? yes.. but he never got close to 190 innings before.

Maine has the mental makeup and stuff to be a lock down Starter.. he was probably the one pitcher last year that you consistently had some confidence in when he pitched.

He won 15 games for this team and was one of the best pitchers in the league in the first half.

plus he comes dirt cheap for the next 3 plus years.

]]> By: squad http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/03/buzz-the-yankees-need-to-decide-on-santana/#comment-53220 squad Tue, 04 Dec 2007 04:10:00 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/03/buzz-the-yankees-need-to-decide-on-santana/#comment-53220 But Maine isn't a lock down starter. If you threw all the players back into a pool, Reyes and Wright go first round, easy. And I bet they're picked way before John Maine. But Maine isn’t a lock down starter.

If you threw all the players back into a pool, Reyes and Wright go first round, easy. And I bet they’re picked way before John Maine.

]]> By: BiggieSmalls http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/03/buzz-the-yankees-need-to-decide-on-santana/#comment-53179 BiggieSmalls Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:27:24 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/03/buzz-the-yankees-need-to-decide-on-santana/#comment-53179 and as you yourself said up higher.. when you have a big dog lock down ace it makes every other pitcher and matchup better.. So i drop Reyes for Sabathia, Beckett, Verlander, Webb of Santana and I make my WHOLE rotation better.. which could have a larger impact than Reyes batting 5 times a game and getting thrown out 80% of the time he tries to steal and as you yourself said up higher.. when you have a big dog lock down ace it makes every other pitcher and matchup better..

So i drop Reyes for Sabathia, Beckett, Verlander, Webb of Santana and I make my WHOLE rotation better.. which could have a larger impact than Reyes batting 5 times a game and getting thrown out 80% of the time he tries to steal

]]> By: BiggieSmalls http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/03/buzz-the-yankees-need-to-decide-on-santana/#comment-53148 BiggieSmalls Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:07:01 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/03/buzz-the-yankees-need-to-decide-on-santana/#comment-53148 OK .. top two starters, top two positional prospects and top two pitching prospect. OK .. top two starters, top two positional prospects and top two pitching prospect.

]]> By: BiggieSmalls http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/03/buzz-the-yankees-need-to-decide-on-santana/#comment-53145 BiggieSmalls Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:04:52 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/03/buzz-the-yankees-need-to-decide-on-santana/#comment-53145 Church and Gomez for Bedard is a bit steep.. But Fernando is the real prospect and right fielders who bat 7th can be found anywhere (look at Shawn Greene) if we include Church AND Gomez Id have to have Melvin Mora as a salary dump to play right field (which the O's may think is an advantage) Mora is owed 17 mil over the next two years and has negative value in a trade Church and Gomez for Bedard is a bit steep.. But Fernando is the real prospect and right fielders who bat 7th can be found anywhere (look at Shawn Greene)

if we include Church AND Gomez Id have to have Melvin Mora as a salary dump to play right field (which the O’s may think is an advantage)

Mora is owed 17 mil over the next two years and has negative value in a trade

]]> By: BiggieSmalls http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/03/buzz-the-yankees-need-to-decide-on-santana/#comment-53129 BiggieSmalls Tue, 04 Dec 2007 02:57:15 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/03/buzz-the-yankees-need-to-decide-on-santana/#comment-53129 just look at teh free agent market .. Lock down starters w ho you can roll out there every fifth day and give you a good chance to win are the most valuable commodity. If Reyes and Wright are Franchise players Maine certainly is too. Just because we got him in a heist from the O's and Reyes/Wright came up thru the farm doesnt make him expendable. You were right earlier.. Would the Tigers trade Verlander , and their two best peices for Santana? would the Indians trade Carmona and two valuable parts? of course not.. Because having a young, ace is worth more than gold. Why do you think the Sox are balking at Bucholz? and the Yanks with Joba? just look at teh free agent market .. Lock down starters w ho you can roll out there every fifth day and give you a good chance to win are the most valuable commodity.

If Reyes and Wright are Franchise players Maine certainly is too.

Just because we got him in a heist from the O’s and Reyes/Wright came up thru the farm doesnt make him expendable.

You were right earlier.. Would the Tigers trade Verlander , and their two best peices for Santana? would the Indians trade Carmona and two valuable parts?

of course not.. Because having a young, ace is worth more than gold. Why do you think the Sox are balking at Bucholz? and the Yanks with Joba?

]]> By: BiggieSmalls http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/03/buzz-the-yankees-need-to-decide-on-santana/#comment-53118 BiggieSmalls Tue, 04 Dec 2007 02:49:51 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/03/buzz-the-yankees-need-to-decide-on-santana/#comment-53118 article was written in May of 2007 after he hit like 350 for Arpril.. Reyes is a top 5 NL Shortstop when he is on his game and performing at his best.. when he is performing like he did in the 2nd half he is not a top ten. Im not hot to deal him.. Im just saying.. if he hit 330 all year stole 100 bases and won the MVP then of course he's more valuable.. but he didnt. he hit 280 and showed some bad habits in the second half. not just September but the WHOLE second half. Look, I like Reyes.. dont get me wrong. But if the Twins came to me ans said Johan for Reyes straight up id have to consider. I think Maine, Humber, Gomez is a much higher price than Reyes alone. Shortstops and leadoff hitters you can find.. lock down starters (esp. those that are young and controllable) are not. article was written in May of 2007 after he hit like 350 for Arpril..

Reyes is a top 5 NL Shortstop when he is on his game and performing at his best.. when he is performing like he did in the 2nd half he is not a top ten.

Im not hot to deal him.. Im just saying.. if he hit 330 all year stole 100 bases and won the MVP then of course he’s more valuable.. but he didnt. he hit 280 and showed some bad habits in the second half. not just September but the WHOLE second half.

Look, I like Reyes.. dont get me wrong. But if the Twins came to me ans said Johan for Reyes straight up id have to consider.

I think Maine, Humber, Gomez is a much higher price than Reyes alone. Shortstops and leadoff hitters you can find.. lock down starters (esp. those that are young and controllable) are not.

]]> By: BiggieSmalls http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/03/buzz-the-yankees-need-to-decide-on-santana/#comment-53104 BiggieSmalls Tue, 04 Dec 2007 02:36:10 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/03/buzz-the-yankees-need-to-decide-on-santana/#comment-53104 Perez will make oddles more dough than Verlander and Maine over the next three years.. Verlander is locked up thru 2009 at 1 mil per year.. he is still a 0-3 pitcher like Maine is.. Perez is 2nd time arb eligible this year and is set to be a FA in 2009 and he has Boras as an Agent. (mike Fisclin who is part of Boras's Agency) Twins have Bonderman who has similar tenure as Perez and can be considered the same level of pitcher in terms of Age and accomplishment. Temas dont value an Oliver Perez as high as a John Maine because of his tenure and free agency date (not to mention his inconsistency) So you too would trade a solid number two pitcher who is controllable for 5 more years, your best set up man (or potentially another teams lock down stopper) and your most ready and arguably your best positional prospect for the priviledge of paying ONE PITCHER 22 plus million a year for 6 years (five of which he will be over 30)? Id rather take my chances with Maine Perez will make oddles more dough than Verlander and Maine over the next three years.. Verlander is locked up thru 2009 at 1 mil per year.. he is still a 0-3 pitcher like Maine is..

Perez is 2nd time arb eligible this year and is set to be a FA in 2009 and he has Boras as an Agent. (mike Fisclin who is part of Boras’s Agency)

Twins have Bonderman who has similar tenure as Perez and can be considered the same level of pitcher in terms of Age and accomplishment.

Temas dont value an Oliver Perez as high as a John Maine because of his tenure and free agency date (not to mention his inconsistency)

So you too would trade a solid number two pitcher who is controllable for 5 more years, your best set up man (or potentially another teams lock down stopper) and your most ready and arguably your best positional prospect for the priviledge of paying ONE PITCHER 22 plus million a year for 6 years (five of which he will be over 30)?

Id rather take my chances with Maine

]]> By: stickguy http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/03/buzz-the-yankees-need-to-decide-on-santana/#comment-52978 stickguy Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:35:51 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/03/buzz-the-yankees-need-to-decide-on-santana/#comment-52978 The team probably is better than at the beginning of last season. Or at lest it is if you account for what Delgado gave you, not what he expected! Nady + 1 solid middle rotation pitcher with upside (like Snell) is all they really need right now, assuming you aren't going with a complete tear down. Plenty good enough to win the NL crown. Oh, and sort out the pen, but that probably can't happen to ST, unless some player falls into their lap. The team probably is better than at the beginning of last season. Or at lest it is if you account for what Delgado gave you, not what he expected!

Nady + 1 solid middle rotation pitcher with upside (like Snell) is all they really need right now, assuming you aren’t going with a complete tear down. Plenty good enough to win the NL crown.

Oh, and sort out the pen, but that probably can’t happen to ST, unless some player falls into their lap.

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