Comments on: News: Johan did NOT say Yanks, Sox or Bust

By: icedrake523

icedrake523 — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:19:48 +0000

Biggest choke of the year deserves the biggest acquisition of the year. Remember that Omar.

By: Mets Fan on Wall St.

Mets Fan on Wall St. — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:15:32 +0000

Agree 110%. I’m sure that the Yanks aren’t just going to walk away from the table if the Sox are still in the hunt.

If for whatever reason they end up keeping their word then the Yanks better pray to their personal god that an NL team lands Santana b/c if he goes to the Sox you might as well call the ALCS for the next 4-5 years the “Boston Red Sox vs. the AL team that probably won’t make the World Series” Round.

With Santana in Boston, that means that the Yankees supposed ace would be at the very best the equivalent of Boston’s 3rd starter. And if Dice K makes rapid progress then that might put Wang down as low as their 4th.

Since it’s 99.99% likely that Santana is not coming here, he might as well go to the Sox so I can call out all the Yankees fans I know that love to belittle the wild card because after that deal is done that’s the only way for the Yankees to even dream of the playoffs.

By: gmoney45

gmoney45 — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:08:10 +0000

Go take a look around the internet and see what you can find out about Mike Pelfrey and Lastings Milledge or now Ryan Church(still hard to believe Omar did that). Take the same routes to find out about Melky Cabrera and Phil Hughes. Now compare a third prospect to a known commodity such as say Heilman. Then come up with a reasonable answer as to why the Twins are so sour on our deal as opposed to others like the Yankees.

By: Hit The Weights Zeile

Hit The Weights Zeile — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:49:19 +0000

vcarver is right its not a quantity thing its a quality thing. we could throw 10 guys at the twins but not 1 of them is better than ellsbury or hughes so why would the twins care. its like saying would you rather have 1 jose reyes or 5 david ecksteins.

By: VCarver

VCarver — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:28:36 +0000

Bucholz pitched a no-hitter! Ellsbury has better minor league and major league stats than Gomez, Milledge or F-Mart.

By: VCarver

VCarver — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:26:27 +0000

None of those players you named is as highly regarded as Hughes. if you think so you must be smoking something.

They’re looking for quality. Not quantity.

I don’t think the Mets prospects are that far off from Hughes, but they just aren’t considered as valuable.

By: kevin2elster21

kevin2elster21 — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:23:12 +0000

There are zero elite prospects in this bunch. The price for Santana is so much lower than I expected. Omar can go get him for Pelfrey, Humber, Gomez, and FMart. Do it.

By: FBones24

FBones24 — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:19:42 +0000

Exactly. Cabrera has two full years that can be called average…at best. I don’t see how a guy with his numbers could be a key part to getting this deal done. Church has much better numbers…just saying.

Ellsbury has 116 MLB at bats and he is a key cog to this deal also? What have Lester or Bucholz proven?

I think we are still in this and I’m not just being optimistic.

By: extrawhitemeat

extrawhitemeat — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:16:56 +0000

Cabrera is what 5-6 years younger then Church? I think Melky is more or less garbage.. but if you’re trading for someone at least get someone young..

Hughes is probably in the top 5 young pitchers in baseball converstaion…

I agree the Sox couold get him for a Lester and Ellbury pacakge.. I don’t think Lester is that good to not get 6 years of Johan for..

Either way.. we get the Nats left over crap.. and the Yanks get the best pitcher on the planet.

Welcome to life as a Mets fan

By: Meddler

Meddler — Mon, 03 Dec 2007 18:16:26 +0000

Yeah but Hughes minor league record is startlingly good. He’s the best prospect of anyone who’s been offered so far. Although the difference in Melky and Gomez is pretty large, a .500 record and 4.00ish ERA for Pelfrey in 2007 might not have even brought the Mets package up to par. It would be a heck of a lot closer though.