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The Orioles and Dodgers ‘may be close on a deal’ that will send LHP Erik Bedard to Los Angeles in exchange for OF Matt Kemp and RHP Jonathan Broxton, reports Amy Nelson of ESPN.com, citing ‘a baseball source.’
Meanwhile, according to ESPN’s Steve Phillips, in a previous post to ESPN.com, the Blue Jays are ‘kicking the tires on’ Bedard, and could offer A.J. Burnett and Alex Rios.
…i don’t know, i keep catching more and 
more buzz suggesting that there is just no way the O’s will be able to sift through these offers and get a deal done for bedard by the end of these meetings…however, if they do committ to moving him, they’d like to do it sooner than later so they can move on to life after him, with ample time to react…
…one thing appears certain, the O’s require at least one major-league ready outfielder in a deal for bedard, and i would think maybin and kemp must qualify…
By the way, Nelson also writes that the A’s have asked the Tigers for Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller for Dan Haren.
NYM F’ed.
Time to be “pleasantly surprised” by a convalescing Freddy Garcia. Get used to the middle of the pack, folks.
Although not official on the signing, but I agree..Here we come third 80 to 85 win team….
Ugh.
Ugh, I think my head is going to explode. One minute we’re close, another minute, the Dodgers are close.
If all that comes out of this is a Livan Hernandez signing I am going to be very, very disappointed…but that’s probably the most likely scenario now.
what i don’t understand is how matt kemp and jonathan broxton gets this deal done for the dodgers, but some sort of combination among gomez/heilman/church/humber/pelfrey/fmart won’t do it for the mets. same with johan. the sox have a superior package to anything we could put together, but melky cabrera was about to be a centerpiece in a yankees deal for santana.
melky’s such a scrub – his ceiling is ryan church, right now. the yankees young players all get collectively fellated by the media while our prospects are put down. i don’t get it and it’s extremely frustrating.
i think if we dont get bedard, we go with the young guys,
Pedro
Perez
Maine
Pelfrey
Humber
Third place rotation.
We’ve had a third place rotation for some time now.
Pffft — if that. Combine a weakened rotation with the psychological baggage of last year’s collapse, and you could be talking disaster. . . .
. . . then again, you still have a really solid lineup 1-4, a good defensive catcher, and a very good defense. You have a couple young starters in Maine and Perez, maybe a pig flies by my window and Pedro stays healthy . . . . I wouldn’t expect a division win, but I wouldn’t rule it out. I’d say 78-85 wins.
My theory all along here has been…if we can’t get a frontline starter, may as well slug em to death. Gotta make an aggressive play for Andruw Jones. Hope that last year was an abbaration and have a top NL lineup.
yes!
with you all the way. no need for livan/silva/colon/lohse/etc. we already went that route with trachsel once. the kids will be fine, and may even re-gain their luster.
Sherman is blogging Weaver being offered as part of a package for Santana by Angels.
I could see LAA pulling it off…
what does peabody have to say?
I say we take a flyer on 1 season of Bartolo Colon and let Pelfrey/Humber prove everybody wrong…
Just heard Pelf and Humber’s moms aren’t even in love with their upside.
PUHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
I agree…if we can’t land a real difference maker, i’d give the kids a chance to develop. BUT…that means your tossing this season away and giving these kids a chance to grow.
I’m still not too high on Humber or Pelf though
As of right now, I think we are the 3rd best team in the East… And given the offense that Florida shows and the improvements of the Nats, we aren’t too safe…
Did I miss something? What have the Braves or Phillies done to make us so clearly a third place team? Is Brad Lidge that much of a difference maker?
Thanks for the false report yesterday Sweeny- you idi*ot.
FIre Minaya.
Sweeney is a Yankee guy
and Sweeny
what can omar do? no one likes our trading chips. what is he supposed to do?
Where are you “Steinhardt”
What do you think now? It took less then 5 hours for this to fall apart.. and you told me I wasn’t a real fan cause I said 5 hours ago this wasn’t going to happen..
Just cause I live in reality, it doesn’t not make me a Mets fan
I’m right here….and in case you hadn’t noticed nothing has happened yet…I also said I wasn’t drinking the kool aid.
And finally I said the Mets are still close to the best team in the division.
AND NO YOU ARE NOT A REAL METS FAN
And why are you saying fall apart..like something was together in the first place…you are the one in love with listening to all this speculation…
When it happens it happens……
No I started out saying that we had no chance at Berdard.. which you then went on to say I’m not mets fan.. even though I guarantee you I’ve been to more games at Shea over the past 3 years then you…
But you’re right.. cause I didn’t believe for a second we’d find a package to get a Berdard type pitcher.. I’m not a mets fan..
Go back and read what i said…you think you’r so smart….All I said is that I’m tired of constantly hearing your pesimistic comments…which I still am…
If Bedard to the Dodgers happens…it does…what does that have to do with me…..
You girls going to throw tampons at each other too? Calm down.
On another note, the Mets are the same team that finished the season last year if they can replace glavine’s wins
The same team that finished last season?
Who the heck wants to see that??
I’m allowed to my opinion.. when the mets give me a reason to be optimistic I am.. but this week between pissing away Milledge, and now so pubiclly failing to address their rotation when EVERYONE knew they wanted too.. it’s not much to cheer about.
the orioles want a major league ready OFer? why dont we include lastin….oh wait.
hey remember all those people saying “save the money for pitching” and all this other nonsense when arod was available. well now we can sign all the livans and colons and silvas we want. i really hope omar has a good draft this year so we can have some actual trading chips next time a situation presents itself.
Lastings drew no interest. He was not as highly valued as Kemp, except by Metsblog regulars still in love with 2005 “PECOTAs”
Ummmm…You are aware of the fact that Milledge doesn’t have half the value of Kemp or Maybin and isn’t even a long-term CF, right?
Kemp is nasty. Is he Shawn Kemp’s son? There’s a 25% chance there is.
i agree totally “Hit the weights Zeile” . Most people on here said we have to save payroll for a big free agent starter next year(Santana,Sabathia,Peavy) instead of signing Arod, when in reality , you know these aces wouldnt get to free agency. You have to spend the money year to year on the best player available not trying to trade for what is unattainable. 3rd place at best in the NL East!
that would be brutal..
Kemp had a great 300 at bats last year granted but Church AND Gomez have to give them more options.
Heilman has got to be rated higher than Broxton?
Heilman is set to make more $$..
Omar better get on the phone about this and start swallowing contracts big time.
Heilman in no way shape or form is better than Broxton.
What about sucking?
I don’t think Heilman is rated higher then Broxton.. Broxton is younger, and throws much harder.. Heilman never pitches well the entire season…
and Kemp is younger with a much higher ceiling then Church..
…if teams like the Dodgers and D backs start pushing therir guys around.. not too many teams can top their offers…
So let’s just list the teams who have had more “chips” then us so far… Yankees, Red Sox, Arizona, Dodgers, etc… i mean, this is embarassing.
The biggest takeaway message from this offseason so far has to be the stunning failure of our scouting/drafting department over the past 3 years.
that is 4 teams with all these chips. And it is debatable about the Yankees.
So basically, the Mets are inthe same boat as 90% of the teams in MLB.
THe couple of teams that end up loaded with ML ready prospects are the anomoly, not the MEts.
In a couple of years, the Mets could be inthat position with Guerra, F Mart, etc.
maybe im wrong. but Broxton is 6′3″ and close to 300 lbs at 23 years old..
of course Kemp has a higher ceiling than church.. thats not even debatable.
i agree that we cant match up prospects with the Dbacks and Dodgers.. thats why Omar has to start swallowing some contracts to make the deal..
Again, that’s quantity for quality. I thought, like you, that Church might soften the blow of having to wait for an F-Mart or Gomez, but it’s really not much of a substitute for getting it all in one package, is it? Kemp is a better mature prospect than any of our hitters, and Broxton than our pitchers. This should not be a mystery. Frankly, if we had Kemp, half of us would probably be whining about keeping him.
Heilman rated higher than Broxton???? Can i get some of what you’re smokin??
the mets simply dont have the pieces….they cant compete with the Weaver/Woods Kemp/Broxton packages
Mulvey and Heilman for Broxton please.
Why did we trade away Lindstrom for nothing? A flamethrower always has value, cause some dumb team will try to fix them.
ok.. heilman has been a good setup man for three years and is in relatively good shape .. broxton for two and is a load.
the O’s are really going to let a potential superstar lefty who is 2 yrs from Free agency for a fireballing reliever and a powerhitting outfield prospect?
left handers like bedrad dont grow on trees.. if i was an O’s fan id be pissed.
I knew I shouldn’t have gotten my hopes up. I’ve been preaching all along that other teams have more talent to offer than the Mets do and I shouldn’t have been suckered in. Damn you Cerrone!!!! LOL
We are in big trouble folks. We just gave away a 22 year old who hit .400 while Beltran was out for trade bait and we will be getting Bartolo Colon.
If Milledge was the best we had, we were already in trouble.
It was only about a week ago where people flamed me for hating on Milledge.
Where are you now?
Ok, let’s calm down everybody.
If you guys have read my posts, I’m probably the most pessimistic guy here, save for firemetsmanagement.
But, what we have here is not that big a deal. Sure other teams got better, but it won’t really affect us. We are NOT a third place team. The Phils won the division by one game and they didn’t get better either.
We will win the division this year. Our rotation is better than last year. Not only are all the starters one year better, but Pedro replaces Glavine.
All of this disappointment is the result of high expectations had by us thanks to our own greed and most importantly Omoron Minaya.
No, it’s not the best possible team we could field. And once again the Mets organization proved themselves to not only be 2nd class citizens, but also stupid and cheap.
Let’s just hope our rookies develop into decent players.
Nothing is official until it happens, we are still very much players in the Bedard trade talks. And if we were to miss out, I would shift my attention right over to Ian Snell/Nady with the Pirates.
Actually, we are not. The names that are being thrown around are far superior to our players.
Sure, Matt Kemp and on Broxton beats Fernando Martinez and Aaron Heilman, but if we add Church, Pelfrey and Humber/Mulvey, Gotay and Estrada that certainly helps our case. They may have a fire sale and need lots of guys, young and old.
Estrada would be a good one-year catcher.
Gotay would be a decent replacement for Roberts.
Pelfrey and Humber/Mulvey gives them some young talent in starters.
Aaron is a good bullpen guy.
Church is a good hitter.
MArtinez is a top prospect.
Include EVERYTHING!!!
Quantity doesn’t replace quality. Period. Look at Kemp’s stats. If we had him, I’d be crossing my fingers, hoping we could hold onto him. He could hit 35 HR in Camden Yards next year, easily.
When you’re in a fire sale, four B+ guys beat 2 A’s.
This is not a fire sale. They have an ace locked up for two years. They want major leaguers for him. It’s a strategic shift, not a complete obliteration. You’re thinking of a veteran with a fat contract. They want the closest thing to a young star they can get. Also, the grading scale is logarithmic, if anything. Kemp is a far more valuable commodity than Gomez or F-Mart.
Huh.
Interesting.
But how close is close? We just heard that the Mets are close.
My final offer:
Fernando Martinez, Ryan Church, Aaron Heilman, Mike Pelfrey and Philip Humber for Erik Bedard.
Include Gotay AND Estrada if you must. Do anything.
If it takes Broxton and Kemp to get Bedard, Omar might as well spend the week visiting the Grand ‘ol Opry because the Mets don’t have nearly that talent to get an ace.
Hello Livan.
Broxton and Kemp solo?
We could put up Martinez, Church, Heilman, Pelfrey.
New on this board.
Have been reading metsblog for a while now, and thought I should start posting.
Folks, relax… come on now, everyone has give up on Pelfrey, and have forgotten about Maine and Perez.
Maine and Perez should have had more wins last year if it wasn’t for the bullpen. Pelfreys last three starts were quality starts. Or did we forget that?
We really need bullpen help more than we need starting pitching. We didn’t lose down the stretch because of our starters, but because of players like Reyes and Delgado (who I both love dearly). So before we trade our whole future away for Bedard, a guy who has had 2 solid season, let’s just take a step back. We all know if Minaya doesn’t make a big splash, and the mets have a successful season everyone is going to be praising Minaya and the Mets, and will forget about this disappointment in Minaya.
i have no problem putting pelfrey and humber in the rotation and seeing how it goes. but the Milledge epsiode shows that omar, willie, the wilpons don’t trust their young players. so you know what that means, elduque goes back into the rotation and look for freddy garcia and livian hernandez.. boring, old, and boring
if they didn’t trust their young players they would never have brought up Reyes and didnt’ give up on them, they would have never brought up Wright or let Pelfrey pitch in big games….you’re forgetting about the past
the mets were truly awful when they brought up reyes and wright. they had nothing to lose. that’s the only time the Mets will give young players a chance. otherwise. they prefer boring, old, vets.
I would agree with you, except that Reyes and Wright both came up with losing teams. Since the team has started contending again, the younger players have had a much shorter leash. That’s the only way Brian Lawrence got so many starts down the stretch.
milledge was a problem child that needed to be shipped out of town. Get over it….
a problem child only in the minds of the all white new york sports media
is everyone awaiting the livan/colon signing now?
Isn’t it funny how so many of us wanted to trade away Reyes when he was hurt…and wasn’t playing well….
So many of us are reacting to nothing, let the big teams make the big splashes, we don’t NEED to trade away our entire farm system for one player, it’s crazy
We need to go all out for Bedard.
We need to really top offers by LA.
My guess is Kemp(A), Broxton (A-), Abreu (B) and a lesser player (C+) for Bedard.
We must offer Martinez (B+), Church (B+), Heilman (B+), Pelfrey/Mulvey (B+) and Estrada/Gotay (B-/C+).
all that for a pitcher who has had two solid seasons?
It’s too much, these GM’s are raping the teams who are desperate, and knowing Minaya, he is not gonna get caught up in this mess
Arguably the best pitcher in the AL last year.
More than solid buddy.
Hmm.
Beckett, Sabathia, Haren, Carmona, Lackey, Santana – all those were probably better then Bedard.
He was one of the top 5 or 6 pitchers in the AL, but not the top.
lets eat some contracts too.. thats our only competitive advantage at this point.
Your terms of analysis are absolutely correct, but I disagree in one respect.
When trading a guy like Bedard, a team would rather have one or two “A” players than a dozen “B+” players. That’s the way I would look at it, anyway. That’s why so many Mets fans are lukewarm on Ryan Church. They want a blockbuster guy. Unless we have “A” players to deal, we’re going to have to set our sights on something less glamorous than Bedard.
I read a piece suggesting that Omar may turn to relievers at this point to give him what he can’t get in the starters market. I have no idea who that would be. Maybe Rauch or Cordero.
Ian Snell.
Is he really available?
Nothing had indicated the such. . . and I doubt he will go on the market. Just a bit of wishful thinking on all our parts.
“One of the recurring themes of this offseason has been teams’ floating the names of all kinds of pitchers you’d never think they’d trade, just to see what sort of response they get. Well, here’s another one: Pittsburgh’s Ian Snell. Teams that have talked to the Pirates say they’re in the midst of a monstrous internal debate about whether they’d be willing to at least dangle Snell, a major 26-year-old talent who had more quality starts this year (22) than Santana or Roy Oswalt and a better strikeout rate (7.66 per 9 innings) than Carlos Zambrano or Ben Sheets.” – Jayson Stark on November 21, 2007
Make it happen Omar.
You’re right, Beckett was awful
Simple solution:
Mets need to hire a hypnotist and take him/her into a meeting with an opposing GM and make the hypnotist put that GM under a spell to think that our players are better then they really are.
Just throwin this out there
Bedards ERA in the month of April -6.09
Granted the other months were solid, but he was not the best pitcher in the AL
Takes him 120 pitches to get through 6 innings.
He’s good, I’ll give him that, and I’d love to have him. But he is not worth our whole farm system.
120 for 6? Certainly fits the model of a Mets starter!
Call me crazy, but what about Jose Reyes for Tejada and Bedard?
That might be all we need if we also agreed to eat the rest of Tejada’s contract…
You’re crazy haha…
Good idea, but we need to keep Reyes, he’s too important to this team (aside from the collapse last season….)
We’re done….we ain’t gettin’ sh1t
the team will be fine even if they go as is. THey will add a SP somehow, just please, not livan. ANyone else but him.