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In a morning update to his blog for the Star-Tribune, La 
Velle E. Neal III is saying that the Twins are mulling over whether to accept Jon Lester, Coco Crisp, Jed Lowrie and Justin Masterson from the Red Sox in exchange for Johan Santana.
Late last night, Gordon Edes of the Boston Globe wrote that the Sox and Twins had called it a night, after having swapped medical information for specific players, thus concluding that a deal ‘appears close,’ and could be done in the morning.
Edes and the Globe believe Boston’s final offer may be Lester, Crisp, Lowrie and Masterson, just as Neil reports this morning.
…get…it…done…already…do it…do it…
…seriously, though, i’m glad i’m not a Twins fan today, because, as a fan, i’d be very, very disappointed with that return, especially given all the build-up surrounding this trade…
My thoughts exactly. That’s a pathetic return on Santana after all the hype.
Milledge for Schneider and Church seems like a pretty similar let down
The Mets could offer that much.
Exactly, but Omoron and the dumb fans here don’t want to give up the farm for Johan.
If Boston ends up with Santana, can we just skip the ‘08 season and give the Sox the title?
My thoughts exactly. I don’t think I need any more “NL Champions” Mets gear in my closet.
Yeah, playing the playoffs would be absolutely pointless if this happens. As much as I hate the Yankees, this is kind of crappy for baseball, the Red Sox are going to be unstoppable for awhile now.
Coco Crisp is garbage…..if this report is true, the fact that the Twins are allowing Santana to go for Lester and Crisp as the two main pieces is unbelievable. You really do need to get an Elsbury or Bucholtz in return. I’d almost rather go w/ the Yankees offer (if that offer was correctly reported)…..since good ol Hank and his empty threats of deadlines will still negotiate. Hank should learn to keep his mouth shut if he doesn’t mean something. Thats a difference between him and George….George woulda meant it…and A-Rod woulda been signing somewhere for a heck of a lot less than what he ended up signing for.
If I were the Twins GM, I’d take the Yankees package as long as Hughes is in it. I think Melky is serviceable and Hughes is going to be a stud and eventually better than Joba as a starter.
Granted the Twins obviously do a great job of scouting young players and I don’t know much if anything about Masterson and Lowrie but I prefer the package with the prospect that is more of a certainty (Hughes).
No prospect is any kind of certainty. That is why a prospect is a prospect.
I’m just going on what I’ve seen and I don’t watch a lot of AL baseball. I’ve seen more of Hughes than Lester and I would feel more excited getting him.
Like I said, the Twins do a great job of scouting talent so I can’t rationally argue with their choice but I am just speaking from a fan’s perspective… I’d be more excited as a Twins’ fan to get Hughes back.
The Yanks screwed the pooch when Hank decided to give his no more negotiation speech to the media. The Twins have all the leverage in the world here, and Hank tried to make the Twins looks foolish.
A decent center fielder and a ??? starting pitcher….
It’s depressing that the mets can’t offer more than this in a package.
I think people (yankees fans in particular) have lost sight of just how highly regarded jon lester was prior to his battle with cancer. He basically has the same “stuff” as hughes but is a lefty
I’d honestly rather the Red Sox get him than the Yankees…
It may not seem like much, but Lester is pretty good, major league ready, etc., Lowrie can play SS for the Twins this season and Masterson is very solid prospect…
If the Yankees would give Kennedy as well as Hughes, they would get Santana…
I’m not counting the Yankees out on this one yet…
That is ridiculous…those players are nothing
the yankees have better players to offer than the red sox for this trade
They do- but are they willing to part with them? This is probably a better package than just Hughes and Cabrera if the Sox like Lester better and aren’t as high on Melky as most Yankee fans.
I agree- this is a much better package than many are giving it credit for. The Sox obviously value Lester at the same level or more than Hughes, and they wouldn’t be out there alone on an island in that belief. Crisp isn’t great, but he’ll be an adequate starting CF for them this year and Lowrie should be their starting SS for years to come. Masterson is a solid closer or #3 starter-type prospect. It fills a lot of their needs both right now and in the future.
If this is what the Twins are thinking about accepting then why don’t the Mets just jump in and say Maine, Gomez , Mulvey, and a mid-level prospect.
Maine is a proven starter, Lester is not
Gomez certainly has more potential than Coco Crisp
Mulvey projects to be a good starter.
I agree, given this report, there is no way the Mets are out of this.
I wouldn’t do it… A source of mine tells me that Santana’s elbow is not in the best of shape and the Twins would like to move him now while they can get maximum value for him…
But that is how you see the players. The GM’s in baseball see them much different. We always overvalue our own prospects and downplay others.
Lester has 2/1 potential. And he’s flashed it in the AL East. Like somebody said above, he is stil considered a top flight prospect. Much better than anything we can offer
Crisp fills an immediate 2008 need at a good rate.
Lowrie is their starting SS. Another need filled.
Heck, at this point Masterson might have as much value around the league as Pelphrey, and certainly more than Humber. Right in line with Mulvey possibly.
We just can’t fill alll those needs for the Twins. Or really any team. None of our guys step in and can absolutely fill a
2008 need for a MLB club.
Eating salary is the best we’ve got going for us. Hopefully the Orioles want that kind of help and we can land Bedard.
Maybe Omar can come in last minute with Church (taking Coco’s spot) Maine (Lester) , Mulvey (Masterson) and another B prospect. That would be just as solid of an offer. Then we would still have Gomez, Pelfrey and Heilman to trade for Bedard or Snell.
Imagine
Santana, Pedro, Perez, Snell/Bedard, Elduque :)
Twins would certainly want Gomez in the package
The Twins are looking for a defensive minded CF to replace Hunter, no? Crisp fills that need, while Church does not. And I just can’t see the Mets including Maine in a deal to get a SP. With the premiums being paid for serviceable starters, the Mets would be shooting themselves in the foot by getting a stud SP at the cost of their #2. Not to mention they could probably net quite a return if they put Maine on the market himself.
Including Maine in a deal for Santana, Bedard, or Haren doesn’t make much sense to me.
Church can play CF, he is a gold glove potential fielder. If they want Gomez instead, hey that’s great. I just think that they are going in Crisp direction because he can play next year.
I agree about Maine unless its for Santana and it allows us to save prospects to get another #3.
Agreed you can’t include Maine. If they want to trade him, they should package the other guys for a SP, then trade Maine to get the prospects back!
And pretty much end up at the same exact place…
Also, keep in mind that Maine is the ONLY one of the 4 Sps set for the rotation that is under contract for 2009. The other 3 are all FAs.
For that reason, if they wanted to trade a SP, Perez is a better option. Someone would be desperate enough to give some real talent back for him.
True, then Santana would be the only one under contract and a hefty one at that. Your point is taken, however. Now if they would take Perez instead of Maine then so be it. I just don’t think that the Twins want all prospects, they want some MLB ready players.
Oh and as for RF you trade Estrada and Humber for Kerns and Chris Schroder (takes Heilman’s spot)
Lineup
Reyes, Castillo, Wright, Beltran, Alou, Delgado, Kerns, Schneider/Castro.
Bullpen
Wagner, Sanchez, Pedro, Elduque, Sosa, Show, Schroder.
Then sign a LH hitter to platoon in the OF that can play 1st base. Maybe O’s give us Huff for a bag of balls.
Wonder if that post about his elbow has any truth behind hit?
That actually is a big danger trading so much for 1 SP, and one with a bit of mileage on him. Every pitcher is an injury risk, and if there is even the slightest issue with his elbow, this deal can burn you , big time, for the next 7 years.
yeah, you have to take a risk sometimes, but the question is, how big of a one are you willing to take?
The Sox though should jump on it, unless they think Lester, right now (or at least by 2009) can come close to replicating Santana’s output.
Crisp is more of a salary dump to them 9he isn’t even a starter anymore), and they seem to have plenty of stud prospects to spare those 2.
If it goes through, I hope he stays healthy and absolutely dominates the Yankees, then blows out his arm just before game 1 of the 1986 WS rematch.
Why move Maine?????? He NOT the type of guy you move when trying to fill out a rotation, even if it is for Santana. You now have to fill Maine’s spot in the rotation, which, more than likely is a big step backwards. Your overall wins don’t really increase much and now you have to break the bank for Johan as well.
A boatload of prospects? Absolutely. I really don’t think this is far off the BoSox offer:
Pelfrey – starter with potential
Gotay – SS replacement
Mulvey – starter with potential
Gomez – centerfield with excellent potential
No Lester there, but good, young, controlleable players with upside.
If we had a glut of major league ready pitching talent, then maybe you think of moving Maine, but right now? He’s a very good starter for our team. I have him pegged for 200+ innings and 17 wins. He’s a core player.
I would have been more inclined to moves Reyes, whom I feel is the most dynamic oplayer in the game, for Santana, but only if we could have signed AROD to replace him.
I get what you are saying but if you lock up Santana and then trade your prospects for a Bedard or Snell then you have a great rotation.
If you could right now trade Gomez, Heilman, and Pelfrey for a #3 with potential would you do it?
If you could trade Maine for Santana would you do it. Again, I think that depends on how you look at it.
For example, I don’t want to trade Reyes at all but what if you trade Reyes for Santana then use your prospects to trade for Miggy and an average SS. Is the team better, on paper anyway?
My thinking is you’re giving up Gomez, Heilman and Pelfrey for someone else’s Maine, when you mention Snell. Maybe I’m way off, but I think Maine is very undervalued by the fans. Why give up what you already have?
If those guys will bring you Bedard, do it, even add someone, and keep Maine.
Pedro, Bedard, Maine, Perez, Colon????
(Gooden, Darling, Ojeda, El Sid, Aquilera)
That is a rock solid rotation, with youth, experience and upside, all rolled together and can be held together long term with OUR money going forward.
The keys to this deal are not Crisp and Lester, but are Lowrie and Masterson. The Twins like Lowrie and Masterson much more than they liked the back end of any Yankee package. They probably feel that Lester is worth a little less than Philip Hughes, but that the difference isn’t that great. Crisp is relatively cheap, and plays a pretty good defensive CF.
The White Sox wanted Masterson for Dye last year, so he’s no slouch – 6′6″, 250 with 9.16K/9 innings in AA …Lowrie’s a solid middle infield prospect with pop…Lester was a lefty Hughes before the cancer…Crisp’s a GG caliber centerfielder. Young, controllable LH & RH starting pitching & young defense up the middle – it’s not a a bad trade for Minnesota. They aren’t the spectacular names, but it’s a solid package. Chalk it up to Boston – they scout and develop players extremely well, and this is the result.
That is a garbage offer..are you kidding? And they are making us give REYES?!! Lester continually works to a whip in the 1.50-1.65 range and walks the ballpark. Crisp is a slug- cannot hit his way out of a paperbag. Milledge (stupid trade Minaya…see!) packaged with Pelfrey, Mulvey wold have been better than this stupid Boston deal…plus they’d be getting him out of the AL. And you could give them Gotay- they need a 2B. If the Twins make this trade and keep him in the AL, etc., their GM should be fired.
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