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During an appearance on WFAN, beat-reporter Sweeny Murti has said the 
Yankees are ‘under the impression’ that the Twins will soon trade LHP Johan Santana to the Red Sox, in exhcnage for Jon Lester, Coco Crisp and two other minor leaguers.
…as i said this morning, i’m glad i’m not a Twins fan today, because i would be very, very disappointed with that return, especially given all the hype surrounding this trade…
…also, what’s wrong with the Yankees…i assume Ian Kennedy must have been the deal breaker for them, which is crazy…i mean, i hope kennedy is worth having to face Josh Beckett, Johan Santana and Daisuke Matsuzaka for the next few years…good luck with that, pinstripes…
Sox look scary
The reason the Yanks can’t afford to give up Kennedy is they need some cheap players left to fill out the team..
Here is their payroll status with Santana…Best guess by me.
Starters
Wang – .5M
Petite – $16M
Mussina – $15M
Santana – $20M
Chamberlain – .5M Total $52M
Relief
Riviera – $15M
Farnsworth – $6M
The rest – $8M Total $29M
Positional Players
Matsui – $13M
Damon – $13M
Abreu – $18M
Arod – $25M
Jeter – $19M
Cano – .5M
Giambi – $18M
Posada – $15M
Melky – $.5M
Bench – $8M Total $130M
Payroll with Santana is well over $210M
They have to find some relief somewhere.
With the luxury tax dollar for dollar over the $150M number or so….Their actuall salary dollars will exceed $260M with Santana.
How can they afford that and trade away all of their youth (cheap players)
Arod makes 32 this year, his contract is supposed to be front loaded. Plus Santana wants 20-25 a year. So it’s about 300 with the salary tax. Also you never know if they’ll sign Andrew Jones to 20 million a year as well. What a joke.
Please, need cheap players? Next theory.
scary? if they somehow keep putting together a good offense. . . they may be amazing. they arent even giving up bucholz or elsbury?!
que pasa?
this kinda reminds me of the Patriots adding Randy Moss in the offseason. Maybe the Red Sox are gonna go undefeated next year, too? I’m really starting to hate Boston (though I still prefer them to the Yankees.)
By the way, that reminds me, Boston fans are acting like it’s the first time in sports history that one city has been good in different sports at the same time. It’s a nice theory, except for the fact that we’ve done in many times before. First, in the 50’s, with all 3 baseball teams plus the football Giants. Then, 1969, when the Mets, Jets and Knicks all won championships. Then, in 1986 the Mets and Giants both won championships. Then, from 1998-2001, the Yankees won 3 World Series, the Mets made it to a World Series and lost in the NLCS, the Giants made it to the Super Bowl, the Jets made it to the AFC Championship, and the Knicks made it to the NBA Championship. So suck it, Boston. Sorry for that unrelated mini-rant, just had to get it of my chest.
i’ll be surprised if they take the lester package over ellsbury. the twins could use the offense.
this is a pretty nice package, anyway. the yankees package was pretty weak and i’m glad the twins realized it. hughes could be an ace, don’t get me wrong, but the twins have a ton of good pitching prospects. their need is offense and luckily it seems they see melky for what he is, not what the yankees and their fans want people to think he is.
Agreed, I’m glad people are starting to realize that Melky Cabrera is not by any means top-tier. I thought I was going crazy hearing all of the Yankee propaganda about how this guy is some emerging superstar.
Hyped to the max by that Yankee blowhard….Fat Fran-SEH’-ser!
I’ll believe it when I see it.. but after to agree 100%… Ian Friggen Kennedy??
Gotta love the Yanks…
“…also, what’s wrong with the Yankees…i assume Ian Kennedy must have been the deal breaker for them, which is crazy…i mean, i hope kennedy is worth having to face Josh Beckett, Johan Santana and Daisuke Matsuzaka for the next few years…good luck with that, pinstripes…”
It’ okay – they have Arod. His VORp is 97. That’s like 97 wins, right?
Honestly, letting Santana go is crazy. The Mets were never in the running, but the yankees letting their rivals take him, so you can deal with beane is loco.
Beckett, Johan, Dice-K, Schilling, Bucholz… with Wakefield in the pen until needed. Yikes.
Delcarmen, Okajima, Timlin, and Paps in the pen.
Ellsbury, Pedroia, Manny, Ortiz, Lowell, Drew, Youks, Varitek, Lugo.
WOW.
thats like a video game team. ridiculous.
As a life long Mets fan and third generation Yankee Hater, ……If the Muts can’t get Santana, GO SAWX!!!!
Patriots……Celtics……Red Sox! Man, if the Bruins ever get their act together……..Beantown will be one scary sports town!
Don’t forget that little pesky variable called injuries. It’s nature’s way of leveling the playing field, somewhat.
[Rising head from underground bunker] Is it over?
In all fairness, if I were the Yankees I’d be peeved that the Sox are giving up Lester, Crisp, and two lesser players who may have high ceilings while they were expected to give up Hughes, Cabrera, and Kennedy — what I don’t understand is that if the reports that the Twins were asking for Hughes, Cabrera, Tabata and Jackson were true, why didn’t the Yanks jump at that? Honestly, they’re never going to have a problem plucking OFs from the free agent pool, but a pitcher like Santana for Hughes and 3 OFs seems very reasonable, especially to keep him away from the BoSox.
Jed Lowrie is a better prospect than tabata or jackson at this point.
Minnesota is making a big mistake valueing Lester so high. And Coco is pretty much worthless.
This could be one of the most dominant rotations ever if this goes through.
Who would you start game 1, Beckett or Santana? What a question!?
Beckett because he has the better postseason resume.
Whoever pitches better in Spring Training.
And throughout the whole season, additionally who was pitching better of late.
first game of the playoffs? beckett. first game of the season? dice-k. it’s in japan
Apparently Dice-K may miss that trip, because his wife is due around that time
Very interesting. I’m curious to see what this does to the value of the Yankees’ highly regarded (translation: highly promoted) prospects.
Additionally, I wonder if they’ll feel pressured to unload the majority of their young guys in an effort to keep pace with the Sox and abandon their fairly new youth movement philosophy.
A team that is going to have by and far the best rotation in the game, a solid bullpen with a great young closer, and an offense that is capable of scoring 900 runs.
Yeah, they should just go ahead and engrave Boston Red Sox in the World Series trophy for 2008.
No one is going to be able to compete with these guys for a few years.
I’m a bit dubious, could be a power play to get Kennedy added.
Hughes > Lester
Cabrera > Crisp (Cabrera is cheaper, under control, and a better hitter)
Twins may just be trying to get Yanks to sweeten the pot by scaring them with rumors of a deal with Sox.
Apparently some Philladelphia radio station reported the trade has already happened so I dunno about that.
Were they quoting Sweeny Murti?
I don’t know but a Texas radio station is reporting it too now so go figure.
the two red sox prospects are probably lowrie and masterson and that trumps the yankee deal
hey you guy think redsox can make a dynasty similar to the yanks in the last 90″s and early 2000’s? I think 4 in seven year is a possibility, if they get a santana. how would have thought that ten years ago? lol
The yankees really needed to pull the trigger on that deal. Let’s say that Hughes and Kennedy have great years for rookie pitchers who have never logged more than 130 – 150 IP for a season, lets say 10 wins a piece, that’s about what you’re gonna get out of Santana this year and for the foreseeable future. He’s about the closest there is to a sure thing besides Beckett (lately). Pettite’s a year older, Mussina is a year older, Wang melted down in the playoffs, Joba melted down in the playoffs, etc etc. I just think they needed to make that deal to prevent this inevitability.
I bet most of us had focused on hoping the spankees don’t land Santana, but I worry this means the Sawx will now be invincible, maybe even more so than if they landed PayRod. And the Mets would still have to beat them to win a World Series. Depressing. From sneaking out in a monkey suit to laying the ground work for global domination, that young guy in Beantown is some GM.
I wish he’d stay focused on Santana in the hopes that Santana would go for a package like this–Omar can’t somehow beat that package?
It makes you wonder why exactly the Twins would be trading Santana between the two already most powerful teams in the majors. How is Minnesota ever going to get past the Red Sox now after trading them Santana? I understand they got the best package and all but was it really a smart thing to do…
Santana has a full no-trade clause. He’s not accepting a trade unless he gets a hefty extension with it. The only teams willing to go there are teams like the Yanks and Sox.
Therefore, the Twins had no choice but to send him to one of those two teams. They had to trade him now because Santana said he’d veto any trade made in-season, and they can’t afford to not get anything in return for him.
The Twins’ hand was forced.
Wrong, there are other teams that can afford him. And there are a couple in the NL that can. The Mets and Dodgers are two I can think of right now. And if they didn’t trade him they could have gotten the 2 draft picks by letting him go to free agency. Now Santana said he would only play in NY or Boston, but that leaves the Mets as an option and you would think the Twins would prefer that. Get him somewhere he agrees to go and somewhere that is completely out of the way that won’t affect them unless they reach the WS. But instead they trade him to the team that is already number 1 in the power rankings and in the AL with them, bad business decision if you ask me.
I didn’t say that ONLY the Yanks and Sox could afford them.
I was merely saying that it would take a team LIKE the Yanks and Sox, which I would say the Mets and Dodgers are.
So there…
well i officially hate the red sox more than the yankees now. apparently the entire city of boston sold their collective souls to the devil for this sox/pats/celtics dominance.
I’m just jealous.
The Patriots are cheaters plain and simple. The Red Sox, well they’re just really good. The Patriots take steroids and steal signs. No way someone like Tom Brady puts up those numbers fair and square. He almost didn’t even get drafted because teams didn’t think he could even be a back up QB in the NFL. Look at what happens when he gets pressured, he has no instincts and takes a hit and never puts the ball where it needs to go. But now with someone like Moss as long as he gets the ball in the relative area it will be a completion, it is just disgusting. There is no way the Patriots really are truly as good as they are. If they were they would be the best football team ever, which they aren’t and nobody recognizes them as it. But the Sox, well… they just have some talent on that team. But who knows maybe too much talent will cause a rift and the team will play badly, doubtful but that kind of thing is always speculated.
Huh? you’re saying Brady can’t play?
Are you on crack?
coco crisp sucks! how could the twins take him and lester over hughes? lester may be a good pitcher but phil hughes is the better pitcher. even 4th OF melky cabrera is better than cookie crisp. if i were the twins i’d get the yanks to throw in humberto sanchez and i’d be happy
Twins should ask for Shelley Duncan, Cabrera, and Hughes.
That would be a solid haul, and Duncan could give them some pop.
This just isn’t fair. Why wouldn’t they demand Ellsbury!? Coco crisp????
Personally, I would have rather the Twins traded Santana to neither the Yanks or Sox. I mean, I dislike the Yankees waaay more than the Sox, but I really don’t like the thought of annoying Bostoners having another sports dynasty here.
Wait….
You’re telling me that they are going to accept Jon Lester and Coco Crisp as the key cogs to a trade for Santana? What is going on?
I truly believe that we could have put together something to compete with that….am I wrong?
I feel that the twin are think Cabrera and crisp, is a very slight advantage for melky and hughes for lester is a slight advantage for phil, but the bo sox are offering 2 other strong prospects. I dont know how the twins would do this deal. If the bo sox substituted buchultz instead of elsbery (who i think is also overated), then it is deal that twins would get a good deal. I dont know why they are not bothering the redsox for bucholtz like how they are for Kennedy. That part dose not make sense. Then you can wait and see who bites first.
I can’t believe the Yankees are going to let the Sox, who just won a world series, who is their biggest rival, add the best pitcher in baseball today. I appreciate not wanting to trade all of your chips, but they have enough prospects that they could drop hughs-kennedy, add santana and chamberlain to the rotation, and be a better team for the next 5 years.
Yea how about Maine the cross dresser, Gomez, and Mulvey
what did I miss here
Yeah, please explain???? huh?
Robmenna posted some stupid spoof article about Maine wearing dresses earlier.
lester is alot better than people think… he better than any of our prospect pitchers. Keep in mind last year fenway was a bigger hitters park than coors. there offer is better than ours unless we give up maine or reyes
I got a trade proposal here, how about Omar, Humber, Gomez a PTBNL and cash for the rights to Theo Epstein. The complete robbery this man is about to pull of is incredible.
get bedard and hope the sox have a lot of injury problems.
Epstein is the best gm by far… the buy is slick quiet and always under the radar
epstein has had some stinkers too. jd drew is overpaid. he traded away a lot of talent to get beckett and theres no guarantee he’ll be an ace or uninjured forever. dicek is not an ace.
not that he isnt good but that payroll covers a lot of small errors.
Beckett led them to a world series, in which Lowell was the MVP…No matter what happens with Hanley and whatshisface, its a win for Boston…could be a win for Florida too.
i meant guy*
Crisp is average. Lester can be very good. I don’t see the Twins getting anything better. Certainly, not from the Mets.
I guess the Yanks will have to get used to fighting for the wildcard, because the division is wrapped up with Santana.
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2007/12/04/2007-12-04_mets_pitch_is_a_changeup.html
http://www.pagesix.com
Maine likes to dress up according to gossip.
It won’t be long before the Red Sox will be “the evil empire” !
a lot of hype that misses some key components. like its only one year of santana, and that any trade is contingent on santana signing an extension, which gives santana a TON of leverage, which means it wont be cheaper to sign an extension then to wait until he becomes a free agent next year. which is why a deal may fall apart after the twins and whoever come to an agreement, which means the twins arent going to hold out for someone to clear the farm, and which is why haren and bedard will go for as much, because they are under control for more years and far cheaper.
From rotoworld:
The Boston Herald reports that the A’s and Diamondbacks have had constructive talks about a deal which would send Dan Haren to Arizona and Conor Jackson and Carlos Gonzalez along with two more players to Oakland.
The A’s wouldn’t get the center fielder they want, but a package fronted by Jackson and Gonzalez would be very good. Jackson and Daric Barton would be paired as a first base/DH combination in Oakland, while Gonzalez could step into an outfield corner in 2009. If the Diamondbacks trade Jackson, they could then re-sign Tony Clark to play first base. Dec. 4 – 1:08 pm et
maybe the Twins GM just wanted to stick it to Hank Steinbrenner and his deadline….take that, Hank!
is matt out for lunch?? it’s been 37 minutes!!! WHAT IS HAPPENING!
apparently, haren is off the market (via a trade with the diamondbacks).
Crisp is average, no, he is basically a 4th OF, kind of like Endy is…
Now if it were Ellsbury, then it is an excellent package for the Twins…
I think that in addition to largely underestimating Lester’s market value, a lot of folks here are missing the value the Twins are getting after him and Crisp. They’re also getting their starting SS (a big need for them right now) for years to come, and Masterson is a quality pitching prospect. Even if they value Hughes/Melky somewhat more than Lester/Crisp (which I doubt), the rest of the offers are so lopsided that they would have to go with the Sox. And as far as what we could have offered, Lester is far more valuable than any pitching prospect in our system, and we don’t have a quality MLB-ready SS with no real service time to give them, so there’s really no way to match up with this.
we can’t field an offer that would be competitive with crisp, lester, + prospects. The added benefit of dealing him to us would be the fact that Minnesota wouldn’t have to face Santanna, and they would just have to play us in the WS. If the Twins contend, they are going to have to go through Boston and Beckett/Santanna.
the fist statement is supposed to be a question. we can’t field an offer that would be competitive with crisp, lester, + prospects?????
who?
Lester has shown that he can start and pitch well on the biggest stage. Crisp is better than Gomez or FMart. The Red Sox give them two MLB players plus two prospects.
Who the hell could the Mets give to match that? Come on.
As I said below, Crisp was a monumental bust in Boston, how can he project better than Gomez or FMAart? At least with them there is hope.
It’s all good guys, we got Brian Schneider and Ryan Church.
I was just thinking the same thing! Hopefully, we’ll trade for Kearns, too. Then, we’ll be in great shape.
My mom is in Nashville and actually staying at the Gaylord where the meetings are being held. Knowing how big of a Mets fan I am, she called a little while ago saying she walked by Hank Steinbrenner and overheard him telling the people that he was with that Johan is indeed going to the Red Sox. So we shall see what news breaks today…
Really hard to understand how Lester is enough to get this done. Crisp is a BUM. The other two minor leaguers must be more than expected. Lester is good, but come on. How can the Mets not put together a more appealling package? I am not in love with the met prospects, but Minny should just go young, and that means Gomez over Crisp and a package around Pelf that beats lester.
Isn’t the whole logic behind Minnesota’s thinking is to get young and cheap with high-end major league ready players? You cannot tell me that Coco Crisp is going to replace whatever Hunter produced because HE’S NOT! Here are his stats from the last two seasons:
2007 Season:
526 AB / 6 HR / 60 RBI / 84 SO / 28 SB
.330 OBP / .382 SLG / .268BA
2006 Season:
413 AB / 8 HR / 36 RBI / 67 SO / 22 SB
.317 OBP / .385 SLG / .264 BA
How about the Mets build a package that involves Gomez, Pelfrey, Niese, Parnell and cash for Santana?
Whoever the two minor leaguers the Redsox are offering, I am almost certain the Mets have players that match them statistically as well as long term potential. Say the Twins like the package, they can then turn around and deal Nathan for additional arms and a major league ready bat.
If I were the Twins, I’d still ask for Lester/Buchholz and Ellsbury in the deal… to hell with demands and deadlines!! Not only that, if the Twins elect not to pull the trigger, they still have between now and before the 2008 season starts to deal Santana. The Redsox and Yankees are NOBODY to enforce “deadlines” and make ultimatums to force the Twins into a corner.
Maine, Gomez, FMart, Pelfrey/Humber (or even both) for Johan.
Fine by me…the enemy of my enemy is my friend ;-) As I stated here before, better Boston than the Bronx.
Ok, people Crisp aint good but he aint a BUM. He’s an exceptional defensive CF and hes an OK hitter. And Lester is a very good prospect with extremely high potential. Yes, the other 2 prospects are being overlooked, so it is a solid little package. But, ultimately, it’s still robbery. If the Sox can get Santana without giivng up Ellsbury, it’s a flat out steal. Epstein has become one of the best GM’s out there in a tough city. Sox are already the class of baseball…this would make them ridiculous-almost too good.
With that being said the Sox are ganna have to pay a ton for this guy and will have a hefty payroll…but they still have a core group of guys who aren’t making anything…Pedroia, YOOUK, Ellsbury, Papelbon, Okajima, Buchholz…they have a fantastic group of young guys plus the huge veterans. Yanks can not afford to let this happen and the Twins should hold off and wait for more if they know whats best for them.
Lets be honest here-the Mets are done in this deal. They have nothing to give. Forget about Santana, pretty much forget about Haren, and Bedard is a long shot. Mets are in some trouble.
As per the other great Bosox prospect Lowrie “National League scout who watched Jed Lowrie in the Arizona Fall League, and he was very negative about Lowrie’s defense, using the words “hard hands.” The scout said there’s “not a snowball’s chance” Lowrie plays shortstop in the big leagues.”
http://www.startribune.com/blogs/christensen/?p=434
so our offer is not so bad, compared with certain stiffs the Bosox are pushing on them…
when saying stiffs Crisp & Lowrie… a 4th OF and a utility IF…
Sure Lester & Masterson are better then what we offered in Pelfrey & Humber but the other 2 have no real upside inless you buy the Bosox HYPE…