Comments on: Buzz: Mets reconsider Heilman for Rotation http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-mets-reconsider-heilman-for-rotation/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: euchreking http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-mets-reconsider-heilman-for-rotation/#comment-56836 euchreking Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:39:43 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-some-mets-reconsider-heilman-for-rotation/#comment-56836 This "announcement", especially at this juncture in the trading season, is most probably just a negotiating tactic. Get other possible trading partners looking at Heilman as a starter to incrase his value, or use this idea to show other teams we're not so desparate. Can't trust any announcements like this at this time of year. This “announcement”, especially at this juncture in the trading season, is most probably just a negotiating tactic. Get other possible trading partners looking at Heilman as a starter to incrase his value, or use this idea to show other teams we’re not so desparate. Can’t trust any announcements like this at this time of year.

]]> By: euchreking http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-mets-reconsider-heilman-for-rotation/#comment-56816 euchreking Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:29:19 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-some-mets-reconsider-heilman-for-rotation/#comment-56816 Why wouldn't floating this idea simply be a negotiating tactic by Omar and the Mets? Saying to the Twins, or whoever, that Heilman is mulit-talented, can start, hold, or even close if need be. Raise his value for trades. Or even as a way of saying to other potential trading partners that we, the Mets, aren't so desperate since we have this option so take our offer or not, we don't care (remember that Omar was floating the idea that the Mets might just "stand pat"). Can't take anything on its face value this time of year. All part of hard core bargaining. Why wouldn’t floating this idea simply be a negotiating tactic by Omar and the Mets? Saying to the Twins, or whoever, that Heilman is mulit-talented, can start, hold, or even close if need be. Raise his value for trades. Or even as a way of saying to other potential trading partners that we, the Mets, aren’t so desperate since we have this option so take our offer or not, we don’t care (remember that Omar was floating the idea that the Mets might just “stand pat”). Can’t take anything on its face value this time of year. All part of hard core bargaining.

]]> By: JNGordon http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-mets-reconsider-heilman-for-rotation/#comment-56800 JNGordon Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:22:15 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-some-mets-reconsider-heilman-for-rotation/#comment-56800 Think about it, when you say the guy doesn't project as a starter, only a reliever you limit his value. Why in the past did other clubs project him as a starter? They saw something Willie and the Jacket didn't. The guy could start and fall on his face, or if he proves serviceable, he now can be projected either way. When Soriano refused to play the outfield, his value was limited as a poor second basemen. He was more marketable as someone who could do more.....In this market.. a starting pitcher is more valuable than a setup man. Think about it, when you say the guy doesn’t project as a starter, only a reliever you limit his value. Why in the past did other clubs project him as a starter? They saw something Willie and the Jacket didn’t. The guy could start and fall on his face, or if he proves serviceable, he now can be projected either way.

When Soriano refused to play the outfield, his value was limited as a poor second basemen. He was more marketable as someone who could do more…..In this market.. a starting pitcher is more valuable than a setup man.

]]> By: gman40 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-mets-reconsider-heilman-for-rotation/#comment-56731 gman40 Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:53:09 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-some-mets-reconsider-heilman-for-rotation/#comment-56731 its about time its about time

]]> By: wolfie44 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-mets-reconsider-heilman-for-rotation/#comment-56626 wolfie44 Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:23:13 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-some-mets-reconsider-heilman-for-rotation/#comment-56626 It's about time. This guy has been terrific for them. When he did start, he was iffy; however, he matured with an ERA under 4; no small feat in the pitching department. It’s about time. This guy has been terrific for them. When he did start, he was iffy; however, he matured with an ERA under 4; no small feat in the pitching department.

]]> By: metsrbest http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-mets-reconsider-heilman-for-rotation/#comment-56587 metsrbest Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:06:36 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-some-mets-reconsider-heilman-for-rotation/#comment-56587 Value to who? That makes no sense. Teams value Heilman as they value him. If Heilman ends up , upping his value by performing well in the rotation, then the Mets wouldn't trade him. Value to who? That makes no sense. Teams value Heilman as they value him. If Heilman ends up , upping his value by performing well in the rotation, then the Mets wouldn’t trade him.

]]> By: mikey_FF http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-mets-reconsider-heilman-for-rotation/#comment-56463 mikey_FF Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:31:33 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-some-mets-reconsider-heilman-for-rotation/#comment-56463 Yeah but you conveniently left out the 7 innings of 2 hit ball and 1 run that he pitched against Atlanta on Apr. 25th. You make a point ... but its too small a sample. They don't give up on Pelfrey ... he's only working with 2 pitches too. Yet he gets so many more chances. I'm not saying this should be the plan. I'm saying, if all else fails ... he's a good option to start, and he should be given the chance. Yeah but you conveniently left out the 7 innings of 2 hit ball and 1 run that he pitched against Atlanta on Apr. 25th. You make a point … but its too small a sample. They don’t give up on Pelfrey … he’s only working with 2 pitches too. Yet he gets so many more chances.

I’m not saying this should be the plan. I’m saying, if all else fails … he’s a good option to start, and he should be given the chance.

]]> By: ExileInLA http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-mets-reconsider-heilman-for-rotation/#comment-56459 ExileInLA Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:31:03 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-some-mets-reconsider-heilman-for-rotation/#comment-56459 BB/9 - 2007, per MLB.com: Sabathia 1.38 Blanton 1.57 Beckett 1.79 Heilman 2.09 Hamels 2.11 Santana 2.14 Haren 2.22 Bedard 2.82 Garza 3.47 BB/9 – 2007, per MLB.com:

Sabathia 1.38
Blanton 1.57
Beckett 1.79
Heilman 2.09
Hamels 2.11
Santana 2.14
Haren 2.22
Bedard 2.82
Garza 3.47

]]> By: squad http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-mets-reconsider-heilman-for-rotation/#comment-56450 squad Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:25:20 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-some-mets-reconsider-heilman-for-rotation/#comment-56450 IP H R ER HR BB SO 5.2 7 4 4 2 1 7 (loss) 5.1 5 2 2 0 2 4 (no decision) 6.0 4 3 3 0 5 5 (no decision) 7.0 2 1 1 0 1 5 (Win) 4.0 11 7 7 1 1 3 (loss) 9.0 1 0 0 0 3 7 (win) 5.0 8 5 5 2 0 3 (loss) This was Heilman's performance down the stretch in '05. I think he this is better than abysmal, and he definitely deserved a chance to build off of this. Once the kid had a modicum of success, we put him in the pen. I'm not going to try and say he is any great shakes, but if we can't land a front line guy, in this crazy market where Kyle Lohse, Carlos Silva, and some random Japanese pitcher are commanding 4 year deals, why not take a shot on Aaron? The kid is a former 1st round draft pick. The Mets, as always, messed with his delivery and it took him a few years to get straightened out. So instead of mortgaging the future for a starter, why not just give Heilman a chance, let Pelfrey get more seasoning in AAA, and then when Duque goes down, you bring Pelfrey up. And what's there to lose? Even if Heilman does poorly, he can be put back in the pen. He knows he can do this well. And this time, he may really embrace the pen since he legitimately knows he can't cut it as a starter. I don't see how it would hurt his trade value. Gagne was a terrible starter who flourished in the pen. It's a low risk, high reward move. IP H R ER HR BB SO
5.2 7 4 4 2 1 7 (loss)

5.1 5 2 2 0 2 4 (no decision)

6.0 4 3 3 0 5 5 (no decision)

7.0 2 1 1 0 1 5 (Win)

4.0 11 7 7 1 1 3 (loss)

9.0 1 0 0 0 3 7 (win)

5.0 8 5 5 2 0 3 (loss)

This was Heilman’s performance down the stretch in ’05. I think he this is better than abysmal, and he definitely deserved a chance to build off of this. Once the kid had a modicum of success, we put him in the pen.

I’m not going to try and say he is any great shakes, but if we can’t land a front line guy, in this crazy market where Kyle Lohse, Carlos Silva, and some random Japanese pitcher are commanding 4 year deals, why not take a shot on Aaron? The kid is a former 1st round draft pick. The Mets, as always, messed with his delivery and it took him a few years to get straightened out. So instead of mortgaging the future for a starter, why not just give Heilman a chance, let Pelfrey get more seasoning in AAA, and then when Duque goes down, you bring Pelfrey up.

And what’s there to lose? Even if Heilman does poorly, he can be put back in the pen. He knows he can do this well. And this time, he may really embrace the pen since he legitimately knows he can’t cut it as a starter.

I don’t see how it would hurt his trade value. Gagne was a terrible starter who flourished in the pen. It’s a low risk, high reward move.

]]> By: jamie http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-mets-reconsider-heilman-for-rotation/#comment-56445 jamie Wed, 05 Dec 2007 18:22:39 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-some-mets-reconsider-heilman-for-rotation/#comment-56445 lol lol

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