Comments on: Buzz: The Mets, Livan, Freddie and Bartolo http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-the-mets-livan-freddie-and-bartolo/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Seroquel xr. http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-the-mets-livan-freddie-and-bartolo/#comment-258334 Seroquel xr. Thu, 17 Jul 2008 05:25:21 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-the-mets-livan-freddie-and-bartolo/#comment-258334 <strong>Seroquel xr....</strong> Seroquel xr.... Seroquel xr….

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]]> By: Mets Serious About Livan? - NY Sports Day Forums http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-the-mets-livan-freddie-and-bartolo/#comment-56069 Mets Serious About Livan? - NY Sports Day Forums Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:44:02 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-the-mets-livan-freddie-and-bartolo/#comment-56069 [...] Serious About Livan? I didn't see anyone freaking out about this so figured I'd post it. From METS BLOG: [...] [...] Serious About Livan? I didn’t see anyone freaking out about this so figured I’d post it. From METS BLOG: [...]

]]> By: cyclone http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-the-mets-livan-freddie-and-bartolo/#comment-56061 cyclone Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:39:51 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-the-mets-livan-freddie-and-bartolo/#comment-56061 I wasn't aware VCarver had created another screen name for himself... I wasn’t aware VCarver had created another screen name for himself…

]]> By: stickguy http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-the-mets-livan-freddie-and-bartolo/#comment-55987 stickguy Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:17:29 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-the-mets-livan-freddie-and-bartolo/#comment-55987 Random thoughts: 1) Livan stinks. Pass, please 2) some people are looking at the worst case scenrios (what if Maine and Perez regress, Pedro's arm falls off, a meteorite hits, etc.) Well, pitching is of course risky, and of course weird things can happen. Still, there is no reason to suspect that Maine and Ollie will regress, any more than Bedard or Haren will. 3) Hielman to the pen is looking more and more logical. Teams have to deploy their players to best help the team, and for a pitcher, that means rotation, pen or trade. If they can find some more live arms for short relief (Duaner?), then Heilman could potentially be more valuable in the rotation. And way better than Livan! 4) this is still a good team, and can easily win 90 wins with some minor holes plugged of course (5th starter, BP arms.) Also need a BU OF/1B (Nady/mench), and probably a real MI glove (A Hern?) 5) they were 1 win off the NL lead in wins last year, even with an amazing finish that probably can;t be replicated, and they also suffered a tremendous amount of injuries. To still win 88 games was pretty darned good overall. 6) Unlike some people like to say, this isn't a 70 win last place team. They wtill have one of the strongest lineups (although Alou's healther and what you get from Delgado are wildcards). 7) Finally, how many teams have actually done anything so far, never mind something big? The Tigers mad a big pick up. maybe the phils with lidge? Everything else seems like minor shuffling, although there has been plenty of talk. Beyond that, some teams have resigned FAs (including the Mets), and the majority of teams have done nothing. Random thoughts:

1) Livan stinks. Pass, please

2) some people are looking at the worst case scenrios (what if Maine and Perez regress, Pedro’s arm falls off, a meteorite hits, etc.) Well, pitching is of course risky, and of course weird things can happen. Still, there is no reason to suspect that Maine and Ollie will regress, any more than Bedard or Haren will.

3) Hielman to the pen is looking more and more logical. Teams have to deploy their players to best help the team, and for a pitcher, that means rotation, pen or trade. If they can find some more live arms for short relief (Duaner?), then Heilman could potentially be more valuable in the rotation. And way better than Livan!

4) this is still a good team, and can easily win 90 wins with some minor holes plugged of course (5th starter, BP arms.) Also need a BU OF/1B (Nady/mench), and probably a real MI glove (A Hern?)

5) they were 1 win off the NL lead in wins last year, even with an amazing finish that probably can;t be replicated, and they also suffered a tremendous amount of injuries. To still win 88 games was pretty darned good overall.

6) Unlike some people like to say, this isn’t a 70 win last place team. They wtill have one of the strongest lineups (although Alou’s healther and what you get from Delgado are wildcards).

7) Finally, how many teams have actually done anything so far, never mind something big?

The Tigers mad a big pick up. maybe the phils with lidge? Everything else seems like minor shuffling, although there has been plenty of talk. Beyond that, some teams have resigned FAs (including the Mets), and the majority of teams have done nothing.

]]> By: Achilles400 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-the-mets-livan-freddie-and-bartolo/#comment-55961 Achilles400 Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:08:08 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-the-mets-livan-freddie-and-bartolo/#comment-55961 I realize this is pure speculation at this point regarding Livan, but i would have to assume the Mets scouts/Omar were paying attention when Livan was giving up 7 runs in 3 innings against the Mets and getting no one out in the playoffs last year. Sad for us, but another great Cuban refuge story to rehash for the Mets. I realize this is pure speculation at this point regarding Livan, but i would have to assume the Mets scouts/Omar were paying attention when Livan was giving up 7 runs in 3 innings against the Mets and getting no one out in the playoffs last year. Sad for us, but another great Cuban refuge story to rehash for the Mets.

]]> By: gowrightgo http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-the-mets-livan-freddie-and-bartolo/#comment-55955 gowrightgo Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:07:00 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-the-mets-livan-freddie-and-bartolo/#comment-55955 We don't have to give up on the offseason just yet. We could conceivably improve by getting a Vasquez or even Contreras whose peripherals were better than his record and whose BABIPwas completely out of whack last year in that horrendous season. But the White Sox traded Garland already so maybe they are not interested in moving another pitcher We don’t have to give up on the offseason just yet. We could conceivably improve by getting a Vasquez or even Contreras whose peripherals were better than his record and whose BABIPwas completely out of whack last year in that horrendous season. But the White Sox traded Garland already so maybe they are not interested in moving another pitcher

]]> By: gowrightgo http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-the-mets-livan-freddie-and-bartolo/#comment-55949 gowrightgo Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:04:48 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-the-mets-livan-freddie-and-bartolo/#comment-55949 Missed your post because I was posting above but I have just said essentially the same thing. This is a realistic 4th option available to the METS and is where in the past at least with us that Omar has done his best work. wont be sexy when the deal goes down but maybe its our best recourse for the long term future since our own prospects seem to be falling into the failed category. Missed your post because I was posting above but I have just said essentially the same thing. This is a realistic 4th option available to the METS and is where in the past at least with us that Omar has done his best work.

wont be sexy when the deal goes down but maybe its our best recourse for the long term future since our own prospects seem to be falling into the failed category.

]]> By: tonylett http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-the-mets-livan-freddie-and-bartolo/#comment-55945 tonylett Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:02:48 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-the-mets-livan-freddie-and-bartolo/#comment-55945 Yes!! Of Course it was!--See, He had so many options pitching-wise and wow too many guys to play in the outfield AND of course it wasn't like his GM and Ast.GM were meddling in clubhouse affairs OR that our GM was freaked because HIS SPY-Acta was not around anymore so he had to create a situation i.e Rickey where he could get another ear in the house. no,no,no,no, this made for a great situation for Willie to lead us to Victory and he just failed. Yeah, thats it!!!! Yes!! Of Course it was!–See, He had so many options
pitching-wise and wow too many guys to play in the
outfield AND of course it wasn’t like his GM and Ast.GM were meddling in clubhouse affairs OR that
our GM was freaked because HIS SPY-Acta was not
around anymore so he had to create a situation i.e
Rickey where he could get another ear in the house.

no,no,no,no, this made for a great situation for
Willie to lead us to Victory and he just failed.

Yeah, thats it!!!!

]]> By: gowrightgo http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-the-mets-livan-freddie-and-bartolo/#comment-55940 gowrightgo Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:01:23 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-the-mets-livan-freddie-and-bartolo/#comment-55940 A 4th option could be to do another trade of the type we did for OP. Trade an outfielder prospect of current guy for a teams decent middle reliever and a failed top prospect (similar to Maine or OP). Then sick the Jacket on him. I don't know baseball well enough to know who are the failed prospects like apparently the world thinks of Humber or Pelfrey. But they exist on almost every team. I'd target them in a deal. Guys like Zach Duke...or was it Zach Day from the Pirates who was all world for half a season then can't get anyone out. Capuano is in the same boat from the Brewers. I'm sure there are others but as I said...I am not that connected to know who they are. I think this is a valuable route to go if the other direction fails. Going out for us could be a Humber and Gotay plus one of the remaining outfielders gaining some steam like Church who just got here or Caleb Stewart. Maybe I am giving up too much actually for a ML reliever with a 4.00 era and a failed pitching prospect. It is a 4th option and seems to be where Minaya has done his best work in the past....at least with us A 4th option could be to do another trade of the type we did for OP. Trade an outfielder prospect of current guy for a teams decent middle reliever and a failed top prospect (similar to Maine or OP). Then sick the Jacket on him.

I don’t know baseball well enough to know who are the failed prospects like apparently the world thinks of Humber or Pelfrey. But they exist on almost every team. I’d target them in a deal. Guys like Zach Duke…or was it Zach Day from the Pirates who was all world for half a season then can’t get anyone out. Capuano is in the same boat from the Brewers. I’m sure there are others but as I said…I am not that connected to know who they are. I think this is a valuable route to go if the other direction fails.

Going out for us could be a Humber and Gotay plus one of the remaining outfielders gaining some steam like Church who just got here or Caleb Stewart. Maybe I am giving up too much actually for a ML reliever with a 4.00 era and a failed pitching prospect.

It is a 4th option and seems to be where Minaya has done his best work in the past….at least with us

]]> By: chew13 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-the-mets-livan-freddie-and-bartolo/#comment-55939 chew13 Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:01:11 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/buzz-the-mets-livan-freddie-and-bartolo/#comment-55939 I do agree. I think this was the plan.Omar had to front like he was going for the the big one when he really knew that he was going to sign these past their prime pitchers all along. Omar the Spin Doctor! I know he said he didn't know that Dontrelle was available and that may have been by the Marlins design. But I am heartbroken that he's going to the Tigers. I wanted D-train on this team. He really would have been a great fit. I do agree. I think this was the plan.Omar had to front like he was going for the the big one when he really knew that he was going to sign these past their prime pitchers all along. Omar the Spin Doctor! I know he said he didn’t know that Dontrelle was available and that may have been by the Marlins design. But I am heartbroken that he’s going to the Tigers. I wanted D-train on this team. He really would have been a great fit.

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