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Buzz: Twins are Feeling Pressure on Santana
By Matthew Cerrone - Dec 5, 2007 1:23 pm

there is more and more buzz coming from Nashville suggesting that the Twins are feeling a ton of pressure, from their fans, from ownership, from the media, etc, to get a big-time return for Johan Santana, more than is being offered by the Red Sox, and they are now questioning whether such a deal is even possible…it doesn’t help that a team in their own division, the Tigers, are about to acquire Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis

…also, from what i can gather, the problem the Mets are having in these deals is not necessarily Carlos Gomez or Mike Pelfrey or Phil Humber or Fernando Martinez, all of whom hold fairly solid value on the trade market for their level of prospect…the problem, as i understand it, is that to acquire a player like Joe Blanton or Johan Santana or Erik Bedard, the Mets must give up a proven, major-league hitter, who is young and under control, like Dodgers OF Matt Kemp, or D’Backs 1B Conor Jackson…which means, the Mets must part with a player like Jose Reyes or Ryan Church, not minor-leaguers who are still in need of development, like gomez or martinez…the thing is, the Mets will not trade reyes or David Wright…and at the same time, church isn’t turning heads, and neither was Lastings Milledge for that matter…

…which is why, as i have said before, in order to pull off a deal for this caliber of pitcher, the Mets may need to involve a third team, who can help deliver the young bat needed in such a trade…otherwise, the Reds, D’Backs, Angels, Dodgers and especially the Mariners will remain far more appealing to teams like the Orioles, Twins and A’s

…so, yes, it’s going to be tough to trade for a pitcher…not impossible…but very, very tough…which, by the way, is very, very disappointing

Update1:32 pm

…most people in Nashville with whom i have talked with all seem to think it’s still the Red Sox or bust, with the Mets and Angels expected to make a last ditch effort before a final decision is made by the Twins

106 Responses to “Buzz: Twins are Feeling Pressure on Santana”

  1. robmenna says:

    Reported on ESPN 1050 radio a proposed 3 way deal between Mets, A’s and Twins. The meat of the deal looks like this:
    Johan Santana and Bobby Crosby to the Mets, Dan Haren to the Twins and Jose Reyes to the A’s. Other players are believed to be involved but as for now this is all that’s been reported.

    • squad says:

      I hope this isn’t true.

      • Xavier22 says:

        I would seriously doubt it.

      • The Dotel Motel says:

        The Mets will not trade Jose Reyes for anyone, bottom line. He is too rare of a player to give up. Hundreds of posts have already been made about this. I would rather get no one then give up Reyes.

    • MacD81 says:

      I reeeaaalllyyyy don’t want to trade Reyes.

      I’d rather keep Reyes and not land Santana.

    • Hit The Weights Zeile says:

      oh dear god no, bobby crosby is a total bum he had a good rookie year thats it. the guy hasnt even played 100 games in any of the past 3 seasons. PLEASE NO OMAR! didnt you hear willies brilliant insight, dont make a move just to make a move.

    • supermannino says:

      Um…who reported this?

  2. Hit The Weights Zeile says:

    i refuse to believe the dbacks or reds are able to trad for/ink a massive contract with santana.

    • astoriametsfan72 says:

      the d-backs couldn’t sell out their playoff games. They is no way they have the payroll to spend that kind of money on 1 player. Plus…if they want Santana, they are going to have to give up Webb and Stephen Drew

  3. Xavier22 says:

    Maybe Church doesn’t turn heads by himself – but Church and Gomez (along with prospects)?

    And I wouldn’t put Blanton in the same category as Bedard. It’s more like:

    A+ – Santana
    A-/B+ – Haren, Bedard
    B/C+ – Blanton

    Someone like Joe Blanton should definitely NOT cost as much as Bedard or Haren (let alone Santana).

  4. nagel100 says:

    No deals like that PLEASE!!!

    put Heilman in the rotation , put Pelfrey in the bullpen, sign Dotel and call it a day.

  5. metsfanspleasestopbeingnegative says:

    Reyes is our true trade bait – he is under contract for a long time and very cheap

    after last year, you start to wonder if he really is going to be the goods or not

    BUT only 1 guaranteed year of Santana? I wouldn’t make that trade

    Bedard? that’s a different story

    • squad says:

      I love how we were all up in arms over the Milledge deal, but we want to trade Reyes for a pitcher. Nice work.

      • gipper913 says:

        Dude…….Santana or Bedard > Ryan Friggin Church and Brian Schnieder!

        • squad says:

          Dude, pitchers. Reyes = all star short stop. 7th best player under 25 in the league according to Bill James. You don’t trade those kind of players.

          People went nuts because we traded away Millegde’s potential based on a modicum of success in the bigs. Reyes has made 2 all star teams, plays great D, is the best leadoff hitter around, and is only 24 years old!!!

          I don’t care what pitcher we can acquire. I’m not dealing Reyes.

    • Magooley says:

      I have no doubt he’s the goods.

  6. tonylett says:

    Well lets just hope ESPN is spitting in the wind as usual.

    For the life of me i can’t understand how anyone can lump
    together Reyes,Church,Kemp and Jackson !

    Boy, O musta really begun to rub other GMs the wrong way
    OR they’ve never seen Jose Play.

  7. squad says:

    Here’s the thing. Teams are not going to give up MLB proven positional players for pitching. To give up Loney, Kemp, and Billingsley for Johan is stupid. Those 3 are a nice young core for the Dodgers to build around going forward. Plus, it’s not like they don’t have pitching… they have Penny.

    Only the Marlins would accept a boatload of prospects for Miguel Cabrera.

    And that trade hurts the Twins. If Cabrera didn’t get back a Kendrick, Loney, or Kemp… no one should.

  8. bigchart333 says:

    i wonder what people think now about trying to acquire a big time BULLPEN player? Like Street or Nathan, both of whom are supposedly available (althougth they WERE talking extension for Street)…pen was a problem, if we can’t get the ACE, why not strengthen the pen?
    I think acquiring Nathan and Livan and Garcia would make us better…
    or Blanton and Street?
    Just because we don’t get this ACE that everyone is hard over, doesn’t mean we can’t be competitive if we make our bullpen outstanding

    • ravi3 says:

      Would Street and Nathan willingly give up the closers role is another question…you know Country Time won’t.

  9. Xavier22 says:

    If the Twins don’t move Santana this off-season, I don’t see how they would expect to get more before the trading deadline.

    The fans, owners, etc may be pressuring them to pull of a huge deal, but the time and the market are pressuring them to do something now.

  10. MetFanInVegas says:

    As much as I love Reyes you can’t tell me the Mets don’t have the same, if not better, chance of winning a championship with Johan Santana & some other guy playing shortstop than the Mets do with Reyes and a bunch of decent starting pitchers, pitching is what gets it done in the postseason, not Jose Reyes

    • FBones24 says:

      Agreed, but in Reyes’ defense, he is one of the few position players in baseball that can truly have an impact on the outcome of a game on a daily basis. When he is hot, he can make things happen that other players cannot. Look at what he did against Benitez….not many players can make that happen.

      I would not trade Reyes for anyone. It creates too many holes (defense at SS, leadoff hitter, the lineup changes, speed, etc.)

      • MetFanInVegas says:

        Recent teams have won or got to the World Series without a guy like Reyes, teams HAVE won the World Series with a guy like Johan Santana, to me, Santana & Eckstein, enhances or chances of winning a WS

        • Hit The Weights Zeile says:

          i agree with you in theory as 2 teams have already proven that you can win with david eckstein at SS. however as much of a win now team as we are, having reyes and wright in our lineup for the next 10 years makes us not have to worry about the left side of our IF + our 1 and 3 hitters (2 pretty important slots) for a long time so we can focus on getting pitchers (draft, FA, trade). look at the 05 white sox, didnt have a santana type. they did have scott podsednik playing the reyes role and helping them win. to say jose reyes wont have as much an impact on a playoff series compared to santana to me is ridiculous as santana will be out there 1-2 times and reyes is always there and can help win every game as opposed to just 1.

        • MetFanInVegas says:

          It’s tough to say, I just doubt with the rotation we have now we’re a division winning team, let alone a playoff team, let alone a World Series team

        • MetFanInVegas says:

          we need to at least replace Glavine

        • squad says:

          You’re looking at it the wrong way.

          Comparing Reyes to other WS Champs’ short stops is the wrong way to do it. It’s faulty logic. Reyes is one of our big time guys… a cornerstone player.

          He’s our Manny, our Edmonds, our Jeter, our Fill in the Blank.

          You didn’t see the Yankees trading Jeter because you could win with a defensive SS. Why? Because he is a cornerstone player for them.

    • squad says:

      Reyes is a core player on this team. He’s not just some shortstop like Orlando Cabrera. When the Sox traded Nomar, it was no longer his team. When they dealt Hanley, he was still in the minors and seen as an incomplete player.

      Wright, Reyes, and Beltran are the core of this team. You take Reyes out of the equation and that is a HUGE hole to fill. He’s a 24 year old AS shortstop who plays gold glove defense and has improved every year in the bigs. Plus he’s your leadoff hitter. It’s going to be hard to find one player to replace all he provides for this team. And do not come at me with Eckstein. I enjoyed my lunch this afternoon.

      Think about ‘09… what kind of a team will we have?

      C: Schneider/Castro
      1B: ?
      2B: Castillo
      SS: ?
      3B: Wright
      LF: ?
      CF: Beltran
      RF: Church

      Pretty sick lineup.

      • MetFanInVegas says:

        Reyes alone will never win the Mets a World Series, you need pitching

        • squad says:

          Pitching alone will never win the Mets a World Series.

          You need to be able to score runs and play defense.

          I can play the hyperbole game too.

    • tonylett says:

      You guys have really got to stop w/ this whole–its o.k. to
      trade Reyes junk!
      In what posts are calling a bad yr. He hit .280 w/almost 200
      hits/as many walks as Ks, 60 extra basehits,almost 80SBs
      is the most disruptive forse in the game offensively AND
      defensively should have won the GG while being maybe
      the best overall SS in the game!
      Hes 24 y/o after 5 seasons,still growing as a player/person
      plays w/ a Magic Johnson type joy/smile.
      Is on the field every inning of every game and some of you folks think its O.K. to trade him??
      You’re short sighted,ill-informed and just plain dumb!
      This guy IS the MVP of this team! the last 3 seasons, they go
      as HE goes!!—There is almost nothing I can think of that you
      trade HIM for! This is a once in a generation player AND
      if you’ve moaned about Kazmir(which I have) Just Wait
      until Jose is winning GG and MVPs during the next 10yrs
      some place else! Omar, Don’t you effin’ do it !

  11. pezao says:

    A deal that is neigh unto impossible is what a GM of this caliber of team is supposed to be able to pull off.

    Good luck, Omar!

  12. tex zem 523 says:

    santana won’t waive his no-trade mid season… it’s now or never for the twinkies

  13. Charlie says:

    john heyman is reporting on the FAN that the mets are back in the johan sweepstakes…

    reyes will not be included…

    minny overestimated the market and was underwhelmed by boston and the yanks…

    twins, he thinks, will trade santana…

    • squad says:

      And if 24 year old Superstar Miguel Cabrera does not net a single MLB proven position player, there is no way anyone else should.

      • kevin2elster21 says:

        exactly. mig cabrera for ZERO proven talent

        • squad says:

          Seriously, am I wrong here? If the Twins ask for Reyes, the Mets should laugh at them.

          Look at the haul Cabrera brought in. Trust me, Willis had very little to do with that package.

          I think that deal should set the market. Johan shouldn’t fetch as much as Cabrera.

      • Hit The Weights Zeile says:

        amen.

  14. roman411 says:

    Trade the whole team…

    Bring back the 86′ Mets w/o Terry leach…

    Insert Johan…

    WIN WIN WIN!

  15. firemetmanagement says:

    Moron minaya should have kept Milledge to sweeten the pot! This is why I would not have made that trade…unless the Twins somehow value Church more, but I doubt that.

    And can we PLEASE stop lumping in Joe Blanton with big pitchers like Santana, Bedard ,Haren.

    Joe Blanton is not a big pitcher- he is a 3 at best.

    He is nothing NEAR an ace….so please stop lumping in Blanton with these big pitchers, Matt.

    • supermannino says:

      I don’t think Milledge would have counted as an established bat either. Then again, maybe he could have replaced Toriiiiiii Hunter.

    • coldentoshea76 says:

      It’s been said numerous times before, but I don’t understand why people keep saying this…. The Twins have no reasonable use for Milledge. Nobody (outside of some die-hard Milledge fans) think that he can play CF long term, and the Twins already have too many corner OFs- they’re already going to have to DH one now that they have Young. The fact that Milledge would be, at best, a bench player for them for the next few years while Church could give them a decent starting CF at very little money for the next four years, yes, makes Church a far more logical pickup for them than Milledge.

    • dannyb says:

      Maybe they are talking about his belly?

  16. MealTicket says:

    If Johan stays with the Twins until free agency, I like the Mets’ chances of signing him better than anyone else’s.

    1. Money? We got that.

    2. Motivation? Yep.

    3. NL pitchers’ park? Ditto.

    4. Ex-Twins? Castillo, yes. Silva, perhaps

    • MetFanInVegas says:

      Yes, I wouldn’t mind the Twins keeping him, it’ll come down to the same three teams next year then, Red Sox, Yankees, and Mets, and we could outbid any of them

      • Xavier22 says:

        Of course, Teixiera is a FA next year too and the Mets and Yankees will both be needing someone at 1B.

        If Santana remains available, it could be a very expensive offseason next year.

        • Roach2 says:

          IF both are available which is a big question mark, you do all you can to get both of these immense talents.

          Next year is where the dough should (and will) be spent

        • Xavier22 says:

          I believe Teixiera will be available as Bora$ is his agent and will strongly encourage him to try free agency – ESPECIALLY with both the Mets and Yankees in need of a first baseman. If the Braves end up in third again, you can take it to the bank that Tex will be gone.

          If Santana is not traded this offseason, he will most definitely be a FA next offseason (as he stated he would veto and trade during the regular season).

          I really don’t care if the Mets spend gazillions on these guys next year, it’s more the length of the contracts that will concern me. I’m sure Bora$ will insist on a 10 year deal for Tex (he’ll end up getting 7, but I’d rather no more than 5). And Santana will probably be looking for at least 5. Risky moves in that regard.

  17. tres says:

    Would you guys do Beltran for Santana?

    • bigchart333 says:

      never ever happen…why would they let torii go? and beltran has a no trade clause

      • tres says:

        Forgot about Beltra’s no-trade…but didn’t they already let Torri go to the Angels?

        • pezao says:

          The Twins won’t keep Santana because he costs too much, but they’ll deal for Beltran who costs about the same?

      • Roach2 says:

        Pretty poor following of baseball news for fans who have such strong opinions.

        A. Torri Hunter is an Angel
        B. Beltran would NEVER grant a trade to Minny
        C. He makes way too much money for the twinkies to take on. I believe Hunter signed for a deal that pays him less per year than Beltran makes. WHY would the twins do that?

        Come on people….THINK

      • Magooley says:

        Exactly..and “no” anyway…

    • MetFanInVegas says:

      Maybe, it’s about pitching in the postseason, and with Cameron, Jones, & Rowand as free agents if it took Beltran to get Santana I’d take Santana & my choice, Rowand

      • squad says:

        Dumb.

        Then Rowand can revert to being an average player and for those of you who moan about Beltran missing time, you’ll LOVE Rowand, who consistently plays less games than Beltran year on year.

        Beltran is the best CF in baseball. Very few guys I am trading him for.

        • Roach2 says:

          Squad…great post

          Hands down, most people will completely ignore the line about Rowand missing more time than Carlos. Guaran-dam-tee

      • squad says:

        Oh, and you need to reach the postseason first.

        • dannyb says:

          Gotta step up to bat for Beltran again. Forget about salary for a second. Forget about his no-trade clause also. Beltran is part of the heart and soul of this team. I feel he is just about as untouchable as Reyes and Wright.

          Our offense was anemic at times last year and getting rid of one of the big time producers would cripple it even more. Remember the first few months of the season? We won those games with pitching. Certainly didn’t hit a lick. As Omar said: “I will not rob Peter to pay Paul”. I couldn’t agree more.

  18. supermannino says:

    I think it’s fairly obvious that the difference between the 2006 (on the cusp of the WS Mets) and the 2007 (cough, cough) team is the bullpen. The Mets pieced together a rotation that was missing Pedro and El Duque for significant time. We were all groaning after that Cards series, “If only we had Pedro and El Duque…”

    Well, we do now. And what have we lost from that team? Green for Church (wash). LoDuca for Scheider (hey, LoDuca was good that year, so that’s a step down). Floyd for Alou (improvement?). Valentin for Castillo (I think that’s an improvement).

    Perez is better. Maine is better. Yeah, we lost Glavine and Trachsel. Can we replace them?

    The biggest RADICAL difference is the bullpen. Where’s our Oliver? Where’s our Bradford? Where’s our Sanchez (pre-injury)? We need to upgrade the bullpen. Is Stokes going to fix everything? Uh oh…

    If we just get a couple of horses (Silva, Livan), then we won’t have to worry about the rotation. We need bullpen help!

    I just think that everyone is stuck thinking that Bedard is going to be our Messiah, when we really need some bullpen help to finish games.

    • Roach2 says:

      Church and Green a wash?

      Come on now. You may have hated the Milledge deal, but give him some credit. Church hit at a better clip than Green…look at the numbers. And he is a MUCH better defensive OF’er. IMPROVEMENT

    • Danny1986 says:

      I understand your logic, and I agree that the bullpen is a major issue.

      But one thing your analysis does not include is how the competiition has improved in our division and league-wide.

  19. m00kie says:

    heyman says we’re back in the santana discussion, and without reyes ..

    “it appears they are at least listening to Mets proposals that don’t include Reyes.”

    • MacD81 says:

      If true, I would have to imagine a guy like Maine would be involved. He is our youngest, cost controlled, and appealing player that has had ML success not named Wright or Reyes. But what do I know?

      • Xavier22 says:

        I don’t see how the Mets would include either Maine or Perez in the deal as it would just leave another hole in the rotation – and not an easy one to fill with what’s available in pitching.

        • squad says:

          Unless they’re toying with dealing Maine and Church with a prospect for Johan and then move Heilman to the rotation.

          Not saying this is a good idea, but connect the dots.

        • Xavier22 says:

          I don’t know if Heilman would be able to fill Maine’s shoes as a starter. I mean, I guess net-net it would benefit the rotation, but I’d miss ol’ Johnny Maine.

  20. vinluvr says:

    looks like omar might have played this one well after all. the twins have worn out boston, who never really stepped up to the plate but teased while the yankees were in, and the yankees, who went in another direction with petitte. now there’s us and the angels, and omar still hasn’t made his best offer. he can sweep in now and close out the deal with a twins team that is afraid of watching santana walk for nothing at the end of the year. big risk is the yankees come back with hughes and kennedy, or the sox relent and offer ellsbury and lester. but anything from either team short of that omar can beat with pelfrey, f-mart and heilman. (which is a lot of talent in my opinion).

  21. supermannino says:

    Quick question…how do we know that F-Mart is going to be so great? Why not trade uncertainty for certainty? I mean, are we assuming that the Mets are going to go bankrupt in the near future and not be able to fill in holes through free agency?

  22. ExileInLA says:

    Maybe Ryan Church combined with Mulvey & Guerra brings you an upgraded young bat (how many of those studs can the Dodgers or D’Backs really expect to play?), who can then be packaged with some of the Mets other minor leaguers?

    As an aside, there’s a report that Milton Bradley is healthy. What about giving him a 2-year deal for RF? Alou, Beltran, Bradley, with Chavez & Church behind them is an upgrade…and then Gomez replaces Alou in 2009 and FMart replaces Bradley in 2010.

    • Xavier22 says:

      I’d rather the Mets go after Nady – who the Pirates are talking about letting go anyway.

  23. firemetmanagement says:

    John Lester is garb*ge….He is a 3 starter at best who continually works to a 1.5-1.6 WHIP and walks the ballpark. And so I don’t see why Pelfrey wouldn’t be comparable- and if they don’t like Pelfrey surely John Maine or Perez would be as intriguing as Lester. And plus we’ll offer Gomez over that stiff Coco Crisp. And you can then throw in Mulvey or Heilman…plus throw in Gotay. The twins have no second baseman.

  24. stickguy says:

    Why is this so hard to grasp? You can’t fit a square peg into a round hole!

    If they Met’s don’t have what the Twins require, then move on and don’t do a deal. The Met’s will survive without Santana.

    At this point, just let the Twins keep him, or take the package from the SOx.

    Although it is nice to see fan Hysteria directing the actions of another GM, and not just the Mets!

    ANy GM that is making moves because of the outcry from the fans is probably not going to last long. Have the stones to figure out hwat is in the best LT interests of th eteam, and do it.

    You can alwyas explain it to the fans afterwords, and next April, they will be rooting for the laundry as alwyas.

  25. firemetmanagement says:

    How did Jose Guillen, a steroid guy, get 3 years/36 million?? You gotta be kidding.

  26. supermannino says:

    Why is Guerra rarely mentioned in deals?

    • smc says:

      Because he’s a sweet prospect, some rank him #2 behind FMart. I think Omar would only deal him if it meant less quantity. Plus, he’s like 18 and 19 and too raw, so teams may not want that.

  27. Danny1986 says:

    The Twins would be stupid to trade Santanna. Consider the fact that they are now easily a top 4 team in the AL.

    - They have Liriano coming back next year to go with the best pitcher in the game and an already deep rotation.
    - They have the best closer in the game.
    - They just added Delmon Young to a lineup that already has Mauer, Cuddyer, and Morneau.

    And if they are not in contention by next July, wouldn’t the market demand for Santanna be close to where it is now anyway? A team in contention would be just more desperate for a shut-down arm in July then they would be in December. There is no reason to think why many of these offers teams are throwing out would no longer be on the table next summer. Frankly, many of htese offers aren’t really all that good.

    Twins should stand pat and see how next season pans out.

    • supermannino says:

      Party pooper.

    • DannyPhantom says:

      The problem is that the Twins are not standing in a position of any type of power.

      Santana has already stated that he will veto any trade made in-season. If you take him at his word, wouldn’t the Twins be under extreme pressure to maximize the return on what is widely considered to be the best pitcher currently in the game?

      As much as you are correct, and holding onto Santana improves their chances to win this season, I don’t think that they can afford NOT to trade Santana before opening day. If they were to call Johan’s bluff and keep him to start the season and he vetoed an in-season trade at the deadline, the Twins would be vilified for realizing that they were going to lose him and getting nothing more than a couple of compensatory draft picks for him.

      • Danny1986 says:

        July 25th, 2008:

        Twins GM:

        “So Johan, we are currently 11 games behind the Tigers and 8 games back in the WC. You have been pitching great, but I don’t think we are going to close the gap this season. There are offers on the table from the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, and Angels…who are all contenders and looking for that one chip to guarantee them a WS appearance. How would you like to have that ring before you 30th birthday next March?

        Johan:
        “No thank you. I like it here in Minn. Besides, I love watching the playoffs from my recliner. And my Agent thinks it’s best for me to stay put.”

        Now does that sound realistic?

        • DannyPhantom says:

          Well, the part about his agent telling him it’s best to stay put does.

          Johan could work out a deal for an extension with the team that Minnesota wants to make a deal with, or he could look at whatever trade the Twins come to him with, veto it, and sign for a sinful amount of money from whatever team he wishes.

          Which sounds more realistic to you?

  28. a817 says:

    my the question is why the hell wont the twins take the yanks offer? That probably the best they will get. Instead of melky and mid leavel prospect, try to get tabata . the yanks are probably more willing to let him go than Kennedy. Just get it over with, the mets wont get him and the twins are using them. The redsox dont care, unless the yankees are interested. This story just goes back and forth.

  29. gomets2008 says:

    Final offer time Omar…NO REYES…I would deal Maine b4 Reyes ..all day….we can survive w/Santana,Pedro,Ollie,Heilmann,Duque/Livan…then just make sure u keep Pelfrey if any prospects.

    So maybe Gomez,Fmart,Humber,Mulvey,Maine. 5 for 1

  30. Achilles400 says:

    This is so OBVIOUS. All these teams with front line pitchers have to get a player that has proven themselves and the fact that Church is mentioned in this post is a joke. It is Reyes or Wright. That is it. They are the only prove players that are cheap enough and would satisfy a GM and a team’s fans.

    It is extremely tiring to keep reading post after post about Met prospects that haven’t proven a thing being in the mix. A GM would get crucified if he took Gomez or Church back along with an unproven starter.

    Make a post when it is news, or at least a rumor that hasn’t been rehased ten times or some speculation by a blogger who has no more feel for what is going on than anyone ranting in here.

  31. supermannino says:

    How about a rotation of…

    Pedro, Perez, Kazmir, Maine, Bannister (6th El Duque).

    Eesh…

  32. a817 says:

    thats what i am saying… deal maine and that deal look solid for santana. Then people are like but maine creates a whole blah blah… but santana fills that hole and gives more and silva will pitch similar to maine. Maine is a 3rd pitcher on a nl team, which is close to a 4 or 5 on an AL team that is competitive.

    • kevin2elster21 says:

      Let me correct you right off the bat:

      Maine is a #2 in the NL, if he moves to the AL, he’s a #2. On the Mets, he was the ace. The stopped losing streaks and continued winning ones.

      Don’t fool yourself, Maine is a solid #2. I wouldn’t trade Maine, but I wouldn’t be vehemently opposed to it.

      If Maine’s career works out he could be winning us 12-18 games for the next 8 years.

      Santana will win us 15-20+ for the next four years, but beyond that it’s probably around 12-15.

      So, are trading away all those prospects and paying Santana worth moving Maine? I think no.

      btw, Silva is no Main, not even close.

  33. posner says:

    cerrone writes that teams are looking for a proven young hitter who they can control.. Can anyone tell me how milledge does not fit this role? He put up good stats as in 2007 and I can’t repeat that enough. I wish there was a legitimate reason Milledge fell off as a prospect. Because on the field he performed well and showed a lot of potential

    • tonylett says:

      Amen!!!–And how is/was he less of a prospect then
      Matt Kemp or Conor Jackson???

      • Achilles400 says:

        Let’s see, Kemp hit .342 in his first go round in the bigs with 27 xbhits. Jackson hit .284 with 60 rbis in 400 ABs with an OPS of .835, 50 Ks 50BBs. Millz, 42 Ks in 184 ABs, 13 BBs, 17 xbhits. Maybe that is why?

  34. posner says:

    Milledge’s stats for 2007…
    BA : .272 OBP: .341 SLG: .446 OPS: .787
    Seems like Milledge had a solid year in my opinion. And this was all the while with inconsistent playing time, knowing that every AB would factor into whether he would get playing time the next day. Give a full time starter role, one would expect him to improve. He is also only 22 years old… And RBI has more to do with where you are in the lineup. With runners in scoring position last year Milledge hit .305 with an .835 OPS, yet only had 29 RBI. This was because he mainly hit #8 in the order and only got 184 AB. When you are comparing players you can’t choose to only look at certain statistics. Of course when you highlight what Kemp and Jackson did well and what Milledge did poorly, he will look a lot worse.

    Now, I will say that Kemp and Jackson did out perform Milledge with the bat, but that is not to say that Milledge had a bad year. He still did well, just not as well as those two. While he may not have been as good as Jackson or Kemp, he still seems to be like an established, young, hitter that a team can control for many years

  35. nice article…

    nice article…