Comments on: Opinion: The Mets Can, or Cannot, Get Santana http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/opinion-the-mets-can-or-cannot-get-santana/ MetsBlog.com features the latest Mets rumors, player movement, and news circulating around the Internet, as well as Mets related insights and opinions by Matthew Cerrone and his team of guest bloggers. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:48:15 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Ambien. http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/opinion-the-mets-can-or-cannot-get-santana/#comment-171280 Ambien. Sun, 18 May 2008 07:52:29 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/opinion-i-am-and-am-not-confident-in-santana/#comment-171280 <strong>Ambien....</strong> Ambien.... Ambien….

Ambien….

]]> By: euchreking http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/opinion-the-mets-can-or-cannot-get-santana/#comment-57377 euchreking Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:22:01 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/opinion-i-am-and-am-not-confident-in-santana/#comment-57377 The the price is too high. That's way higher than what the Sox are offering. I think we could get it done with less, but frankly had moved on from Santana dreams. Now it seems totally unreal getting him, especially if the Twins are so unmovable. The the price is too high. That’s way higher than what the Sox are offering. I think we could get it done with less, but frankly had moved on from Santana dreams. Now it seems totally unreal getting him, especially if the Twins are so unmovable.

]]> By: TilMetsDoUsPart http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/opinion-the-mets-can-or-cannot-get-santana/#comment-57337 TilMetsDoUsPart Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:09:31 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/opinion-i-am-and-am-not-confident-in-santana/#comment-57337 Yes, yes, I understand your logic fully. the problem is, what are the odds that the "kids" are successful? Not slim to none, but the odds aren't in our favor, especially with this being baseball where 30% is amazing. M's don't have enough expendable talent to offer. The Blue Jays would probably go Lincecum if they're making a deal. Angels don't need a starter, they need bats. All of their young hitters are untouchable outside of Willits maybe if they are getting a pitcher. Ditto for the Dodgers, and Broxton is definitely untouchable. I think there is a chance that Gomez, Pelfrey, Heilman and Mulvey is just as or even more attractive than Lester, Crisp, Kalish/Lowrie and Masterson, but what do I know. Right now, for Santana it's really Mets vs. Red Sox. This is giving the Mets leverage in that competition. For Bedard it's Minaya vs. MacPhail. There are no teams that have the expendable talent and are in the running. Omar is obviously willing to give up as much as Gomez/Martinez, Pelfrey, Heilman and Humber for Bedard, but will MacPhail think that is enough for Bedard? These Santana talks say to MacPhail "Bedard's value may or may not be like this again. We need to rebuild. Heilman is great for the bullpen, Gomez/ Martinez is a great hitting prospect, and Pelfrey and Humber have a lot of upside. It's now or never. We can't even hold on to Bedard for the long term anyway." Expect to see Santana or Bedard in Mets jerseys. Yes, yes, I understand your logic fully.

the problem is, what are the odds that the “kids” are successful?

Not slim to none, but the odds aren’t in our favor, especially with this being baseball where 30% is amazing.

M’s don’t have enough expendable talent to offer.

The Blue Jays would probably go Lincecum if they’re making a deal.

Angels don’t need a starter, they need bats. All of their young hitters are untouchable outside of Willits maybe if they are getting a pitcher.

Ditto for the Dodgers, and Broxton is definitely untouchable.

I think there is a chance that Gomez, Pelfrey, Heilman and Mulvey is just as or even more attractive than Lester, Crisp, Kalish/Lowrie and Masterson, but what do I know.

Right now, for Santana it’s really Mets vs. Red Sox. This is giving the Mets leverage in that competition.

For Bedard it’s Minaya vs. MacPhail. There are no teams that have the expendable talent and are in the running. Omar is obviously willing to give up as much as Gomez/Martinez, Pelfrey, Heilman and Humber for Bedard, but will MacPhail think that is enough for Bedard?

These Santana talks say to MacPhail “Bedard’s value may or may not be like this again. We need to rebuild. Heilman is great for the bullpen, Gomez/ Martinez is a great hitting prospect, and Pelfrey and Humber have a lot of upside. It’s now or never. We can’t even hold on to Bedard for the long term anyway.”

Expect to see Santana or Bedard in Mets jerseys.

]]> By: jpcw1999 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/opinion-the-mets-can-or-cannot-get-santana/#comment-57334 jpcw1999 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:07:43 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/opinion-i-am-and-am-not-confident-in-santana/#comment-57334 I'm not saying that's what they should do, only saying that's what it will take. I’m not saying that’s what they should do, only saying that’s what it will take.

]]> By: euchreking http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/opinion-the-mets-can-or-cannot-get-santana/#comment-57324 euchreking Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:04:20 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/opinion-i-am-and-am-not-confident-in-santana/#comment-57324 No thanks for that. No thanks for that.

]]> By: euchreking http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/opinion-the-mets-can-or-cannot-get-santana/#comment-57322 euchreking Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:03:20 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/opinion-i-am-and-am-not-confident-in-santana/#comment-57322 Agree also. See that the collapse in some ways had to do with the lack of leaders in the clubhouse. The veterans were "bored" or not into leading. Wright will move into this role more, and I think Reyes will learn that it's on his shoulders too. It'll be very enjoyable to watch them mature and take charge. I'm okay with watching the farm develop also, but would be excited with an ace! Agree also. See that the collapse in some ways had to do with the lack of leaders in the clubhouse. The veterans were “bored” or not into leading. Wright will move into this role more, and I think Reyes will learn that it’s on his shoulders too. It’ll be very enjoyable to watch them mature and take charge. I’m okay with watching the farm develop also, but would be excited with an ace!

]]> By: TilMetsDoUsPart http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/opinion-the-mets-can-or-cannot-get-santana/#comment-57320 TilMetsDoUsPart Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:01:45 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/opinion-i-am-and-am-not-confident-in-santana/#comment-57320 Not worth it if we get Bedard for Martinez, Pelfrey, Heilman and Humber. Not worth it if we get Bedard for Martinez, Pelfrey, Heilman and Humber.

]]> By: jpcw1999 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/opinion-the-mets-can-or-cannot-get-santana/#comment-57318 jpcw1999 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:00:59 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/opinion-i-am-and-am-not-confident-in-santana/#comment-57318 Indiana fan here. Here's the deal. Maine, Pelfrey, Gomez, & Martinez for Santana. If you can't accept that, then there's no ace for you. I'd hate to see Martinez go but that's what it will take. Indiana fan here. Here’s the deal. Maine, Pelfrey, Gomez, & Martinez for Santana. If you can’t accept that, then there’s no ace for you. I’d hate to see Martinez go but that’s what it will take.

]]> By: mrmet1969 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/opinion-the-mets-can-or-cannot-get-santana/#comment-57297 mrmet1969 Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:50:11 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/opinion-i-am-and-am-not-confident-in-santana/#comment-57297 Of course "his" agent says the Mets are still in it. The more teams involved the better a chance some team gets desperate and over bids for an ace. It's all about getting his client out there so he can make his mega-bucks. Man, to tie up that much money in a pitcher makes me nervous and then for all those years, ugh! Patience my fellow metsies, the team we have now, as is, will compete next year and with a bit of tweaking make it to playoffs and WS. Hey anything can happen, look at Rockies and Cardinals in 2006. How many years have the Yanks and Sox had a roster that was the bomb only to bomb in the playoffs. The new attitude should be, patience with prospects, unless you get blown away with an offer and develop, keep and enjoy for 5-6 years before they get arbitration and then you can decide to move 'em or pay them which should not be a problem in NY. Pedro will surprise us with his new found health and show us in his walk year that he is still a great pitcher. Of course “his” agent says the Mets are still in it. The more teams involved the better a chance some team gets desperate and over bids for an ace. It’s all about getting his client out there so he can make his mega-bucks. Man, to tie up that much money in a pitcher makes me nervous and then for all those years, ugh! Patience my fellow metsies, the team we have now, as is, will compete next year and with a bit of tweaking make it to playoffs and WS. Hey anything can happen, look at Rockies and Cardinals in 2006. How many years have the Yanks and Sox had a roster that was the bomb only to bomb in the playoffs. The new attitude should be, patience with prospects, unless you get blown away with an offer and develop, keep and enjoy for 5-6 years before they get arbitration and then you can decide to move ‘em or pay them which should not be a problem in NY. Pedro will surprise us with his new found health and show us in his walk year that he is still a great pitcher.

]]> By: gbaked http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/opinion-the-mets-can-or-cannot-get-santana/#comment-57274 gbaked Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:38:59 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/05/opinion-i-am-and-am-not-confident-in-santana/#comment-57274 I dont understand where the hate on maine is from... i will give you he is not in the same league as a santana, but he has a nice fastball to go along with a good head. He had a great season last year... he can be a very nice backend of a 1-2 punch. I dont understand where the hate on maine is from…

i will give you he is not in the same league as a santana, but he has a nice fastball to go along with a good head. He had a great season last year… he can be a very nice backend of a 1-2 punch.

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