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During his appearance on WFAN today, SI.com’s Jon Heyman said the Mets do seem confident in their efforts to trade for Twins LHP Johan Santana, though Heyman has no idea why, adding…
“Every thing I had heard in the proceeding weeks was that the Twins are not that enamored with the Mets prospect…I think it’s gonna be tough sleiding for them, but they’re confident. If you ask them if you ask them if they have a shot, they say they have a shot, or at least a decent shot. So, maybe they know something we don’t know.”
To listen to Heyman’s entire interview, during which he adds inisght in to more or less every rumor from the last few days, go to WFAN.com.
This morning in the Bergen Record, citing ‘one person familiar with the team’s financial picture,’ Bob Klapisch wrote that there is ‘no way’ the Mets will ever agree to pay $25 million per year to Santana.
“Not even the Red Sox seem eager to go that high,” writes Klapisch.
…i believe this is true…however, from what i can gather, and as Omar Minaya has alluded to on record in the past, most teams, including his Mets, are not as concerned about the money as they are about the super long-term contract, be it for santana or any other pitcher…if for no other reason than because it will cost a lot to insure that sort of contract for a pitcher, assuming it can get insured at all…
…nevertheless, as i understand it, tdespite what others have written, the Twins like Carlos Gomez and Kevin Mulvey a lot, as well as Mike Pelfrey, more so than any other team it seems…also, the Twins realize that they are not going to get the type of zero-to-three, major-league ready talent, from any team, that they initially hoped to acquire, which is why Jose Reyes is no longer being mentioned…plus, the Twins have no interest in paying reyes, despite his affordable contract….
…i keep getting the sense that if the Dodgers offer up OF Matt Kemp and RHP Chad Billingley or RHP Clayton Kershaw, along with another piece or two, the Twins would accept it…however, it is widely believed that santana wants to be in new york or boston, and so i can understand why some of these other teams, like the Dodgers, Mariners and Reds, who may have substantial talent to trade, are hesitant to acquire a guy who they will never re-sign…this is why the Dodgers appear to be more interested in Erik Bedard, as are other teams…
…in short, the way i see it, the Mets can acquire santana if a) the Twins committ to trading him, b) the Mets come to grips with offering a six– or seven-year deal, and c) they offer the Twins a package such as Carlos Gomez, Kevin Mulvey or Fernando Martinez, Mike Pelfrey and Aaron Heilman, who can be their next closer if Joe Nathan gets traded…
Aaron Heilman, who can be their next closer if Joe Nathan gets traded…
might be, but i think they already have that replacement. Pat Neshek
Can’t we just frontload the contract? That’s what the Dodgers are doing with Jones. Granted the situation isn’t the same but money shouldn’t be the sticking point anymore. This isn’t Montreal.
What do you mean? Jones is getting 9 Mil in 2008, 15 mil in 09, and a 12 million dollar signing bonus spread out over 3 years. They are going to give him 5 million bucks in 2010 when this contract is up. You can’t frontload a 2 year contract.
You’re a two year contract! What? No you’re right I worded that wrong. I just meant it would be better to over pay then to cheap out. We don’t have to pay 25 every year just early on.
How can we trade 3 prospects and then not sign him over 2-4 million per yr?
This details above make no sense if we are going to commit 3 kids entire careers for a 1 yr rental of Johan …are we now the 2003 Marlins?
Neshek is more of a lefty specialist or lefty middle reliever than a closer.
I would compare him to Pedro Feliciano or Jeremy Affeldt in 2007. Maybe even a lefty Joe Smith.
And your comment would almost make sense if Neshek was a lefty
Hahaha
Was I thinking of Guerrier…?
No, he’s a righty to.
I guess you can dismiss that comment. XD
This all sounds great….but i hope the Mets are still talking to the o’s as I;d hate to lose out on both the Santana AND Bedard sweeps.
idk… if you go by many people on this board, Omar may not be able to have 2 or more ongoing conversations at once. As soon as he switches gears to Santana, he cuts off all contact with the Baltimore front office. Its just too much for him to handle.
I think that Omar is low balling for Bedard, and getting MacPhail to trade him more quickly with all of this Johan talk.
They really can’t win in the future without the income Bedard can bring in now. They don’t have him for the long term, and it’s not impossible that he doesn’t have a good year or gets injured next year. His trade value could be at its highest, so they must trade him soon.
With the Mariners possible offering Clement/Johjima, Morrow and Jones, the Mets would have to trade Martinez, Heilman, Pelfrey and Humber.
The only fork in the road for the M’s is that O’s catching prospect Matt Wieters could be MLB ready by this September, and they wouldn’t do much with Clement or Johjima, unless Wieters is dealt afterwards, which would be a complete waste, because in a week Johnny Estrada would be a free agent and they could always hang on to Ramon Hernandez.
Yeah I’m not sure Omar can walk and talk at the same time.
just get something done. i have faith in omar…at least for a little while longer
yea i have faith in him as well. go all out for santana except for including players that we know shouldnt be traded such as reyes and do not include gomez and martinez in the same deal. GET IT DONE!!!
I’m sure Omar is talking to anyone who will listen. This Santana thing is starting to shape up alot like the Beltran scenario a few years back with the Mets being given virtually no shot to land him and then all of a sudden….
all of a sudden…..
all of a sudden……
…here comes Livan Hernandez.
Good one.
That was really funny. I hope its not prophetic.
Like Oliver sudden?
I’ll tell you ALL what is going to happen and here is how it is…
The Mets WILL get Johan Santana. And I’ll tell you why…
Johan will only play for New York or Boston… And he does NOT want to stay in Minnesota. The Red Sox wont budge on their offer and the Mets are desperately trying to get an ACE…The Twins will not settle on keeping Johan because they know they will not be able to trade him to another team as a rental in July… So trust me he’s being moved to the Mets. It’s taking longer than expected because Minnesota is trying to BLUFF. I am telling you ALL NOW, Johan Santana will be in a Mets uniform by NEXT week.
And that’s the BOTTOM LINE, so lets end the second guessing and WHAT IF’s.
I buy it. This week I go to sleep every night thinking maybe I’ll wake up and it will be the day the Mets have landed Santana. Why not us? Great post RealMetsFan.
I agree with all of your points but I see Minnesota calling back and accepting the Yankee deal before we get him.
arod too, santa
SAntana denied the whole “NY or Boston or bust” thing.
He was very mad about it too.
Anyway, I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a ploy to hasten MacPhail to trade Bedard, because there are less and less takers out there, and Bedard’s trade value may be peaking. The automatically don’t have him for the long run and have no shot at a winning record next year. There is a lot less reall competition for the guy, but if it’s official that Haren’s off the market the D’Backs could be crawling to Mr. Bedard.
I doubt that the Mariners have expendable youth that can top Martinez, Gomez, Pelfrey, Heilman, Humber and Mulvey (of course not all at once.). Why? Because they don’t. I’d take Heilman over Morrow, Martinez over Clement and Pelfrey over Jones any day. And also, the Yankees are too high and mighty to try and get Dan Haren at a Johan-like price when they overrate their prospects that badly.
If the Mets don’t make a deal, and Haren comes off of the market, the Mets are pretty much screwed unless they pull off a miracle and get Johan.
If Hughes is still on the table without us knowing it, the dela is already done. Cashman will reopen those talks and they will take hughes over anything the Mets can offer. I like your optimism but this is the bottom line.
this is like fr1ggin torture every day lol
Bob Klapisch wrote that there is ‘no way’ the Mets will ever agree to pay $25 million per year to Santana.
Sure. And Klaptrap also wrote right after A-Rod opted out that the Mets were going to go full throttle after him! Not that they were simply interested, but that they going to go hard after him!
He’s got little credibility.
I have the feeling the Twins want to send him out of the AL entirely. Ideally, from their point of view their preference would be something like this, with the Yankees their last choice:
1. Mets/Dodgers
2.. Angels/Mariners
3. Red Sox
4. Yankees
From Johan’s point of view, I bet it’s something like this:
1. Boston
2. Mets
3. Yankees/Angels
I think those 4 may be the only teams he would sign an extension with right away. I think he’d prefer to play on the west coast, but the presence of Tori Hunter in Anaheim may make him more amenable to playing there long term.
This is how I read the tea leaves. If I am close to right, I think the Mets may be able to get him in a trade. A long shot, but it’s more viable than I think some of the NY beat reporters like Davidoff are making it out to be.
Meant to say he’d prefer to play on the East Coast.
I would think Johan would be concerned with what his new team will look like after they trade for him. Which is why I think the Dodgers have been holding back.
despite what you read in the meternet, I think most people in baseball feel the mets are a very good team with a definite shot this year and a good foundation for the future. And even if we trade some of our top prospects, we will stay that way with the solid core of young ML players.
Excellent points, especially with the Twins wanting Johan out of the AL.
As for the beat reporters…Cmon they work for a business and like any business they report anything to make a $1. It’s funny, how one guy says one thing and then another guy comes back and says the complete opposite…
As I said before (post above) Johan will be a Met. It’s not wishful thinking. It’s the reality of things. Concern yourself more with how Ryan Church is going to perform because in May we’ll be saying “What was Omar thinking?”….
Depends on what the Mets are offering.
In value to GM Bill Smith:
Carlos Gomez = Jacoby Ellsbury
Mike Pelfrey Ryan Kalish
Kevin Mulvey = Justin Masterson
And considering the Bosox are offering Crisp, I’d say that the Mets package is enough.
Of course, my bet is that taking away Mulvey and adding Humber, and taking away Gomez and adding Martinez lands you with Erik Bedard, which is the scenario I want a little more, but either one is great with me!
I’d much rather keep Martinez and get santana then. But I have to think that as much as the Twinbills want Johan to pitch in the NL instead, they are NOT going to pass up a chance to get Hughes from the Yankees. this deal if still around will get him, he is that much better than any Gomez/Pelfrey package. He is already winning at the ML level and a potential Cy pitcher with that stuff.
Lets wait to see him put together at least 1 good full year before you even say he has cy young potential!
I agree that Hughes is a good prospect, but the overall package the Yankees offered wasn’t very good. Cabrera is nothing special.
I was speaking from the perspective of “if all other things were equal” meaning the packages. Then I think the Mets and Dodgers are definitely at the top of the Twins’ management list. And the Yankees are at the very bottom.
The Twins and their fans do not want to have Johan come back to their own stadium and pitch against them. It’s like an indignity.
True. But remember this isn’t Georgie’s team anymore. Mr. Cashman has more control over team decisions now.. and Mr. Cashman is more level-headaed.
NO NO NO NO.
Cashman is level headed but guess what, my friend!
Hammerin Hank…. STEINBRENNER is in charge of this team. He’s too arrogant and boastful of his prospects to give them up for Johan Santana or Dan Haren especially.
don’t trade martinez, trade church instead martinez should be our starting right fielder opening day, everybody thinks he is so good let him prove it.