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	<title>Comments on: Note: Marlins are on to Phase Two</title>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/06/note-marlins-are-on-to-phase-two/#comment-70944</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 01:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Ted...&lt;/strong&gt;

I think you are absolutely on track here!...</description>
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<p>I think you are absolutely on track here!&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: natew</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/06/note-marlins-are-on-to-phase-two/#comment-58755</link>
		<dc:creator>natew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well I guess with the money they get from revenue sharing they should have about 30 mil to put towards building a new stadium... right? 

The Marlins plan actually has merit, it just looks rather slimey and underhanded.  The fans have to suffer through 3-5 years of terrible ball but they get a WS team as a trade off.  Its not a bad deal if you&#039;re a small market team.  

They did make some rather poor choices on who they traded for, the LoDuca trade brought them nothing for instance.  And I think firing Girard set them back a couple years, but I wouldnt be surprised to see this team compete for a playoff spot while Hanley Ramizes is still an arbitration player, and if Maybin becomes the beast everyone thinks they could have a solid team for 2-4 years.  

As built now they kind of remind me off the A&#039;s when Hudson, Mulder, and Tejada where thier future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well I guess with the money they get from revenue sharing they should have about 30 mil to put towards building a new stadium&#8230; right? </p>
<p>The Marlins plan actually has merit, it just looks rather slimey and underhanded.  The fans have to suffer through 3-5 years of terrible ball but they get a WS team as a trade off.  Its not a bad deal if you&#8217;re a small market team.  </p>
<p>They did make some rather poor choices on who they traded for, the LoDuca trade brought them nothing for instance.  And I think firing Girard set them back a couple years, but I wouldnt be surprised to see this team compete for a playoff spot while Hanley Ramizes is still an arbitration player, and if Maybin becomes the beast everyone thinks they could have a solid team for 2-4 years.  </p>
<p>As built now they kind of remind me off the A&#8217;s when Hudson, Mulder, and Tejada where thier future.</p>
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		<title>By: 7-train</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/06/note-marlins-are-on-to-phase-two/#comment-58698</link>
		<dc:creator>7-train</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with that.  We suffered through the brutal years of 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004.  After the &#039;01 team bottomed out and the &#039;02 team was a disaster they should have rebuilt with youth.  

It looked like we were doing that for a minute.  But now we have a team that is very similar to the &#039;02 team.  If you look realistically at the Mets it&#039;s a bunch of older players with a very limited minor league system.  We&#039;re 2 or 3 injuries from disaster. Sure you can say so is every other team.  But if you look at the Yankees, Red Sox, Tigers, Dodgers and Angels they are all in better shape than us in having young major league ready players and a minor league system full of potential backups and valuable trade bait.  

If you remove Reyes and Wright there is no other position player on our roster that anyone wants.   Maybe teams would be interested in Beltran if he had a lower salary.  

Bottom line, this Mets team is a house of cards.  I hope it can be secured before it collapses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with that.  We suffered through the brutal years of 2001, 2002, 2003 and 2004.  After the &#8217;01 team bottomed out and the &#8217;02 team was a disaster they should have rebuilt with youth.  </p>
<p>It looked like we were doing that for a minute.  But now we have a team that is very similar to the &#8217;02 team.  If you look realistically at the Mets it&#8217;s a bunch of older players with a very limited minor league system.  We&#8217;re 2 or 3 injuries from disaster. Sure you can say so is every other team.  But if you look at the Yankees, Red Sox, Tigers, Dodgers and Angels they are all in better shape than us in having young major league ready players and a minor league system full of potential backups and valuable trade bait.  </p>
<p>If you remove Reyes and Wright there is no other position player on our roster that anyone wants.   Maybe teams would be interested in Beltran if he had a lower salary.  </p>
<p>Bottom line, this Mets team is a house of cards.  I hope it can be secured before it collapses.</p>
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		<title>By: mdemaio</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A payroll minimum should be mandated, and further (this may be the case already, I&#039;m not sure), they must be required to put any money from revenue sharing back into salary...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A payroll minimum should be mandated, and further (this may be the case already, I&#8217;m not sure), they must be required to put any money from revenue sharing back into salary&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AzMetsFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>AzMetsFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They only thing I see wrong with this is that they are pocketing the revenue sharing, which is meant for teams to somewhat compete with signing players.  

Otherwise, it&#039;s genious.  They take a big star and trade him for 1-3 stars of the future that are somewhat ready to play now.  It&#039;s not like they are signing A guys, but typically guys who have got their feet wet in the majors and have done decent so its not as risky; see jacobs.  Then after a couple years, they trade that player for a few more top players of another teams youth and repeat.  This way they are constantly getting very good young players who are very hungry to show off their skills playing all the time and may not be intimidated to do so by a veteran being around.  I doubt they&#039;ll ever need to listen to &quot;know your place rook&quot;.  

I think it&#039;s great and wish the Mets did it to SOME extent. Imagine flipping veteran players like Delgado, Alou, Pedro, Castillo, Wagner and getting 2-3 good prospects a piece to build a team around Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Maine and OP.  Say a few of those propspects pan out and now you have a good young players built around an already solid young nucleas.  

In fact, if we did that minus the cheapness of the Marlins, we could probably get more back in return than the marlins typically do by eating some salary and we&#039;d have a stacked farm to trade for any particular missing pieces.  A. Jones fetched an incredible salary this year with such crap numbers last year.  We could easily move Delgado for some promising youth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They only thing I see wrong with this is that they are pocketing the revenue sharing, which is meant for teams to somewhat compete with signing players.  </p>
<p>Otherwise, it&#8217;s genious.  They take a big star and trade him for 1-3 stars of the future that are somewhat ready to play now.  It&#8217;s not like they are signing A guys, but typically guys who have got their feet wet in the majors and have done decent so its not as risky; see jacobs.  Then after a couple years, they trade that player for a few more top players of another teams youth and repeat.  This way they are constantly getting very good young players who are very hungry to show off their skills playing all the time and may not be intimidated to do so by a veteran being around.  I doubt they&#8217;ll ever need to listen to &#8220;know your place rook&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s great and wish the Mets did it to SOME extent. Imagine flipping veteran players like Delgado, Alou, Pedro, Castillo, Wagner and getting 2-3 good prospects a piece to build a team around Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Maine and OP.  Say a few of those propspects pan out and now you have a good young players built around an already solid young nucleas.  </p>
<p>In fact, if we did that minus the cheapness of the Marlins, we could probably get more back in return than the marlins typically do by eating some salary and we&#8217;d have a stacked farm to trade for any particular missing pieces.  A. Jones fetched an incredible salary this year with such crap numbers last year.  We could easily move Delgado for some promising youth.</p>
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		<title>By: gowrightgo</title>
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		<dc:creator>gowrightgo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it is worth...I think we start the year against the Marlins and I hope we sit on Hanley Ramirez head.  Fire darts into the ground 4 times every time he is up and pitch to everyone else.  Personally, I&#039;d love to walk him 14 times in the three game set and watch him just go berzerk realizing the rest of his team should be in A ball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it is worth&#8230;I think we start the year against the Marlins and I hope we sit on Hanley Ramirez head.  Fire darts into the ground 4 times every time he is up and pitch to everyone else.  Personally, I&#8217;d love to walk him 14 times in the three game set and watch him just go berzerk realizing the rest of his team should be in A ball.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Dynamo</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/06/note-marlins-are-on-to-phase-two/#comment-58595</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Dynamo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dont get what your talking about.  this trade makes the marlins worse, a team we have to play a lot.  that is good for us, regardless of what happened last year.  

and who&#039;s talking about the yankees?  im certainly not a yankee fan, if thats what youre implying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont get what your talking about.  this trade makes the marlins worse, a team we have to play a lot.  that is good for us, regardless of what happened last year.  </p>
<p>and who&#8217;s talking about the yankees?  im certainly not a yankee fan, if thats what youre implying.</p>
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		<title>By: Steal Home Jose!</title>
		<link>http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/06/note-marlins-are-on-to-phase-two/#comment-58577</link>
		<dc:creator>Steal Home Jose!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A World Series Championship is nice, but is it worth it the way the Marlins are doing it?

(I wrote a good amount here, but never really made a good point, so I erased it and decided to go with just the following)

What would you rather see happen in 2008-2013:

 1)       The Mets win the World Series in 2008, but then demolish their team.  By the end of 2009, Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Maine, Perez, Pelfrey, Humber, and Heilman are all traded away for prospects.  Play awful baseball for a couple of years until the new group of guys mature and become playoff worthy in 2012.

 2)       The Mets continue to play quality baseball during these all these years, regularly make the playoffs, make the World Series a couple of times, but can&#039;t seem to win it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A World Series Championship is nice, but is it worth it the way the Marlins are doing it?</p>
<p>(I wrote a good amount here, but never really made a good point, so I erased it and decided to go with just the following)</p>
<p>What would you rather see happen in 2008-2013:</p>
<p> 1)       The Mets win the World Series in 2008, but then demolish their team.  By the end of 2009, Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Maine, Perez, Pelfrey, Humber, and Heilman are all traded away for prospects.  Play awful baseball for a couple of years until the new group of guys mature and become playoff worthy in 2012.</p>
<p> 2)       The Mets continue to play quality baseball during these all these years, regularly make the playoffs, make the World Series a couple of times, but can&#8217;t seem to win it.</p>
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		<title>By: General Millz</title>
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		<dc:creator>General Millz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the spirit of the moving them west, to the AL West, and then making the Pirates part of the NL East...

Would that really mean they&#039;d have to have interleague games every day of the season?  I know it would create a problem during interleague play, but I would think there&#039;s some way it could be worked out with off days.  No?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the spirit of the moving them west, to the AL West, and then making the Pirates part of the NL East&#8230;</p>
<p>Would that really mean they&#8217;d have to have interleague games every day of the season?  I know it would create a problem during interleague play, but I would think there&#8217;s some way it could be worked out with off days.  No?</p>
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		<title>By: dave27</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its just amazing how these Marlins are spread around.

The Tigers now have huge parts of the 1997 (Leyland, Sheffield, Renteria) and 2003 (Pudge, Willis, Cabrera) Marlins teams.

We finished last season with 3 1997ers (Alou, Castillo, Conine) and of course Alou replaced a 4th in Floyd.  Hopefully we won&#039;t add another in Livan.  The 2000 NL Champs featured 3 more (Leiter, Cook, Abbott).  Toss in Bonilla and we&#039;ve had half the 97 team play for us.  And from 03 you&#039;ve got Castillo and Conine again, plus Looper, Gerald Williams, and Castro.

For a team that doesn&#039;t want to deal in the same division....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its just amazing how these Marlins are spread around.</p>
<p>The Tigers now have huge parts of the 1997 (Leyland, Sheffield, Renteria) and 2003 (Pudge, Willis, Cabrera) Marlins teams.</p>
<p>We finished last season with 3 1997ers (Alou, Castillo, Conine) and of course Alou replaced a 4th in Floyd.  Hopefully we won&#8217;t add another in Livan.  The 2000 NL Champs featured 3 more (Leiter, Cook, Abbott).  Toss in Bonilla and we&#8217;ve had half the 97 team play for us.  And from 03 you&#8217;ve got Castillo and Conine again, plus Looper, Gerald Williams, and Castro.</p>
<p>For a team that doesn&#8217;t want to deal in the same division&#8230;.</p>
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