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In Newsday, David Lennon reveals that the Mets talked to the Giants last month about acquiring LHP Noah Lowry, according to a ‘person familiar with the situation.’
However, according to Lennon, the Giants asked for OF 
Lastings Milledge plus ‘another young pitcher’ in the deal, but when discussions cooled, ‘the Mets shipped Milledge to the Nationals instead.’
…the word from the bay area has long been that the Giants will consider trading one of their young pitchers if it can return them a major-league ready bat…this is why we keep reading of rumors involving Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain and Alex Rios…as far as lennon’s report goes, i have to assume the Giants wanted a pitcher like Kevin Mulvey or Phil Humber…however, if the Mets feel these two could be needed in a potential deal for Johan Santana, etc, they should not jump to trade them for a pitcher like lowry, who i actually like a lot…
Lennon conlcudes by saying talks could be revisited later in the off-season, according to a ‘team official.’
…if all else fails, i.e., santana, Erik Bedard, etc, i’d be open to trading one of the young pitchers and Ryan Church for lowry, if for no other reason than lowry is a semi-proven commodity, and beggars can’t be choosers…
…the thing is, late yesterday, as SI.com’s Jon Heyman pointed out while speaking to WFAN, the Giants have approached the Yankees about OF Hideki Matsui, while offering up one or both of lowry and RHP Jonathan Sanchez…
In 26 starts this past season for the Giants, Lowry was 14–8 with a 3.92 ERA, during which opponents hit .265 against him.
However, he had been 9–6 with a 3.33 ERA at the All-Star break. He missed all of September with a sore elbow, on which an MRI revealed a mild strain and no structural damage.
Lowry will earn $2.25 million in 2008, and $4.5 million in 2009, after which he can be a free agent.
ryan church and philip humber for noah lowry? hells ya!
you guys are crazy. Noah lowry is a fringe number 5 starter. In the NL West. The guy isnt good. What is the deal
14-8 with a sub-4.00 ERA are fringe 5 numbers? Dan Haren was 15-9 last year, albeit with a far lower ERA. Joe Blanton was 14-10, with a similar ERA. Missing time, Lowry won 14 games on a last place team.
I’m not sure if I want him but don’t just say stuff for the point of saying it, when it’s clearly not true at all.
matt_bucc,
Steve Trachsel won 15 games in 2006, so he is just as good as Haren, huh?
Wins is the most meaningless stat to measure the relative quality of a pitcher, ERA is not too far behind. Both stats rely WAY too much on the other 8 players on the diamond.
If you want to objectively look at a pitcher’s effectiveness start with WHIP and K:BB ratios, and for relievers also look at the number of inherited runners that scored.
That will give you a better idea of how good or bad a pitcher actually is.
Change of Coasts ~ Left Hander….
Goes to show you Milledge lost all value
if he could catch us Lowry in a straight up trade……
damn
and I’d take Lowry over any of these other fudge packers
like Colon….Garcia….Livan….
Oh boy, people are going to be pissed…
This is the exact reason why we should have just brought back Lo Duca and traded Milledge for pitching. Whether it was for Lowry, Lidge, anyone would have been better then the garbage package we got in return from the Nationals. Anyone knocking Noah Lowry has just not been watching baseball, this kid made the Yankees lineup look stupid last year and many scouts have compared him to a young Tom Glavine. I understand he’s not an overpowering pitcher who blows you away, but the kid knows how to pitch.
Decent ERA, but a WHIP of 1.6 and 1:1 SO to BB ratio. Not overly impressive…probably not worth more than a straight up trade for Milledge.
agree 100%
he wouldn’t have been even worth trading milledge straight up for.
This was the first year that his walks were that much of an issue. In the past his WHIP has been in the 1.3’s. Last year it was 1.55 and he cleary had a tired arm. He is not an ace but if he comes cheaper than Blanton, I would think he could be just as good.
Lowry isn’t that good. He hasn’t shown that he can throw more than 150-160 innings and he walks as many as he strikes out.
He’s a solid number 3 or 4 at best. I’m glad Omar didn’t make that trade.
I would have to imagine he would have been coming here more as a #5. I’d rather have Lowry and LoDuca than Schneider and Church. But that’s just me.
“I would have to imagine he would have been coming here more as a #5. I’d rather have Lowry and LoDuca than Schneider and Church. But that’s just me.”
Im glad it is just you, because it seriously isnt even close. Schneider is so much of an upgrade over Lo Duca I couldnt possibly fathom how people are soo ignorant as too say they would rather have lo duca. I dont understand what goes wrong with these people as children to make them so unbearably ignorant. Instead of makign yourself sound like a stupid homer, got check out some numbers or something. Church is better then Milledge now, and Lo Duca and Schneider is not even a comparison.
NRMAX58,
I never said Lowry was wonderful. I said he would be coming here as a #5 starter…did I not? Schneider is an upgrade over LoDuca defensively, which is great. I want a defensive catcher, if it wasn’t going to be LoDuca. However, if we could have gotten a guy like Lowry instead of Schneider, then kept LoDuca….that probably would have been optimal.
By the way, don’t name call. It’s not my fault you were born with a small wee wee. Deal with it dude.
Also, you sound like the jacket when all you care about is numbers. LoDuca was a leader for this team…played with fire and heart. Who else did?
david wright did, and so did maine and OP and Pedro. Alou did when healthy… and just because he is a laid back guy, beltran had a pretty nice season.
small wee wee? really?
now i will ask nicely.
please stop calling paul loduca a leader?
the amount of praise this guy gets from fans is ridiculous. ill break it down again…singles hitter who didnt hit. no speed. no power. no arm. below average defensively. doesnt walk. whines to the media. cries to the umpires. and points fingers at teammates.
and what does that all equal…splitting time with Greg Zaun. maybe people can finally realize his true value.
guess that wasnt really a question i asked. oh well.
Never complained once about Beltran. He could be as laid back as he wants. I’m fine with him. Don’t have a problem with Delgado either. I’m just saying, we don’t have a manager that is willing to get run from a game. David Wright, Maine, OP, and Pedro have fire (you’re right about that), but I mean the kind of fire when things look terrible. Throwing bats out of the dugout.
How many times have you wanted to see Willie get tossed from a game because of an obvious horrible call. Even in the last two weeks, you wanted something to ignite them. They just didn’t have it. I think without LoDuca, there will be even less of that. I hope it works out well though.
The small wee wee comment was in response to being called ignorant. He seemed a little distressed about something. First thing that came to mind.
1-18-31-7-83-13-2-6-2 (or whatever your name is),
If you don’t think LoDuca is a leader, you’re lost. The last Saturday of the season, when Reyes was starting with Miguel Olivo and the benches cleared…who limped out of the dugout and went straight for Reyes and told him to keep his head straight?
That’s a leader. I’d rather have him in the 8 hole than Schneider. Not to mention, if you want to talk about a singles hitter who can’t hit for power, can’t run (anymore), can’t field (as well as he used to), is not at all a threat at the plate, and isn’t much of a leader…talk about Luis Castillo who just got 4 years.
I hope all of their moves work out. I was in favor of keeping Castillo, but I thought LoDuca should have come back for 2 years. We’ll see how it works out.
sorry, don’t agree. loduca is all phony intensity. he tries to put on a show. if he cared that much about winning he would run out grounders once in a while. if he wanted us to buy into this intensity thing he would come to camp inshape instead oflooking like the pillsbury dough boy. he bailed on his teammates with the “they speak English” comment. He got himself thrown out of two big games last year by losing his cool. screaming at umpires and throwing things on the field. that is not intensity. that is just dumb. i’ll take ray knight intensity any time.
That’s fine if you call it that. Let me ask you this though. Why did fans love Paul O’Neil so much? Was that intensity?
Running out ground balls. He was injured. How do you feel about Reyes running out ground balls? Same set of rules applies to all.
Reyes disappeared in the final month of the season. Want to trade him for Santana?
Look…not looking to argue about Paul LoDuca. But you can’t tell me that Brian Schneider is a significant upgrade. He isn’t. Game 7 of the NLCS. He was up with 1st and 2nd and 2 out. What did he do? Walked. He is a good situational hitter.
The “they speak English” comment was out of line. I think it was out of character too. But, I saw an interview with him at MSG during a Knicks game (yes, I wasted my evening watching the Knicks) and he didn’t have one bad thing to say about the organization.
To say LoDuca wasn’t part of the heart and soul of the team the past 2 years is irresponsible.
Fans loved Paul O’Neil because he was good, not because he threw bats and punched water coolers.
LoDuca was a distraction last year. He was awful. His OPS+ of 80 was 3 points higher than Schneider’s 77. By the way, Schneider also had a higher OBP than the “great situational hitter.”
Not taking anything away from LoDuca’s 2006 season, he was great. But he stunk last year. Trying to spin it any other way is irresponsible.
And that “team leader” set a great example for the young guys like Milledge, who got suspended for 3 games in the heat of a penant race.
This nonsense about showing “intensity” and getting run from a game to provide a spark is so overrated. Give me a guy who can keep his composure over LoDuca any day. That BS is a sign of frustration, not intensity or “a burning desire to win.” This isn’t football where getting angry and playing harder may give you a boost. In fact, getting angry and trying harder is usually counter-productive in baseball.
The proof is in the pudding. No one is offering him a starting job this season, and he’ll be lucky if the Blue Jays or Nationals sign him.
I think LoDuca’s value is greater to the Mets than any other team. I’m obviously not comparing them as players, because Jeter is far and away the better player. But, let me compare LoDuca’s value to the Mets with Jeter’s value to the Yanks.
Put Jeter on Kansas City, Tampa, Florida, White Sox, Rangers, Nationals or any team trying to get over the hump…he isn’t worth nearly as much to them winning as he is to the Yanks winning.
Same for LoDuca. It’s really an opinion based argument right here. I saw LoDuca as a leader on this team.
By the way, I didn’t say great situational hitter. I said “good”. Also, looking at OBP doesn’t tell you what kind of situational hitter someone is. Next, I am all for a defensive catcher, but one that doesn’t come at a cost (in terms of players) is much better than one you have to trade a potential 2008 starting OF for. Lastly, I understand this is an opinion-based argument (which I seem to be outnumbered on, and that’s fine), but I’ll stick to my guns here. I think LoDuca is better and more right for this team than Brian Schneider and an anti-semetic right fielder. I hope I’m wrong, but I think I’m right. But, that’s just me.
yup…he is essentially a poor man’s Tom Glavine’s met years
What’s so great about Lowry? His peripherals were TERRIBLE last year. He hasn’t been able to replicate his K rate from 2005.
I know he’s young and left-handed, but that’s about the end of the story — yes, Milledge for Lowry would’ve been better than Church/Schnieder, but the Giants wanted a pitcher back in the deal (and, I’m sorry, but it couldn’t have been Humber).
I am suprised that the Giants are willing to part with Lincecum. I thought as far as prospects go he was in a league above Cain and Lowry.
I don’t know what kind of cash crunch the Giants have but why are they looking to move any of these guys, they are locked up for a few years at affordable salaries and the offense is more than a few pieces away from being competitive.
They may need to suck it up for a year or two, put they Bonds Dividend in the bank and save it for when good hitters are available.
Agreed, Lincecum is far and away the best option on this list, both short-and-long-term.
How about Ryan Church, Carlos Gomez , Phillip Humber and Mike Carp for Matt Cain?
please tell me your joking…
either that or please never attempt to be a GM
WOW
Matt Cain is an enigma. Great stuff and all, but how’d he go 7-16 last year? He’s young tho, 22, so I’d go for him.
not overly impressed with Cain
I would do it yesterday. Matt Cain is the goods kids. We’ve been talking about the hype machine surrounding younger players and I really feel it applies to Lincecum. He’s good, don’t get me wrong, but Cain is the clear cut ace of that staff.
Lowry great, but i would try to get Tim Lincecum, that kid’s NASTY~!!!!! mid to high 90’s on the fastball, power-curve & developing a change, think he could learn alot from Pedro……
In fact, I think that Pelfry could also learn alot from Pedro, with the exception of that curve they’re very similar pitchers.
Maybe that was the x-factor we were missing with our pitchers last year, a guy that has the same style w/experience looking after these young arms, think bout the pitchers we had last year, Glavine & Duque, who are both great but they rely on their location and guile more than natural raw talent, unlike Pelfrey & Lincecum. Remember when Pedro had command issues????
I think that Glavine couldv’e tooken Humber under his wing and showed him a thing or two, considering that they are similar types of pitchers, they need control and guile to win a game.
Also, I think Pedro might take more of a liking to Lincecum b/c they are both viewed in similiarly, in the aspect that they are small framed power pitchers. Right now people are commenting on how Lincecum might have problems because of his body size, but that catapult delivery is the nastiest delivery I’ve ever seen, and that power curve looks more intimidating that certain Sosa’s slider.
tooken?
huh???
tooken - joke no?
i wouldnt mind doing a church/humber for lowry deal since humber nor church are probably needed to get santana but the OF would be very thin.