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In Newsday, David Lennon reveals that the Mets talked to the Giants last month about acquiring LHP Noah Lowry, according to a ‘person familiar with the situation.’
However, according to Lennon, the Giants asked for OF 
Lastings Milledge plus ‘another young pitcher’ in the deal, but when discussions cooled, ‘the Mets shipped Milledge to the Nationals instead.’
…the word from the bay area has long been that the Giants will consider trading one of their young pitchers if it can return them a major-league ready bat…this is why we keep reading of rumors involving Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain and Alex Rios…as far as lennon’s report goes, i have to assume the Giants wanted a pitcher like Kevin Mulvey or Phil Humber…however, if the Mets feel these two could be needed in a potential deal for Johan Santana, etc, they should not jump to trade them for a pitcher like lowry, who i actually like a lot…
Lennon conlcudes by saying talks could be revisited later in the off-season, according to a ‘team official.’
…if all else fails, i.e., santana, Erik Bedard, etc, i’d be open to trading one of the young pitchers and Ryan Church for lowry, if for no other reason than lowry is a semi-proven commodity, and beggars can’t be choosers…
…the thing is, late yesterday, as SI.com’s Jon Heyman pointed out while speaking to WFAN, the Giants have approached the Yankees about OF Hideki Matsui, while offering up one or both of lowry and RHP Jonathan Sanchez…
In 26 starts this past season for the Giants, Lowry was 14–8 with a 3.92 ERA, during which opponents hit .265 against him.
However, he had been 9–6 with a 3.33 ERA at the All-Star break. He missed all of September with a sore elbow, on which an MRI revealed a mild strain and no structural damage.
Lowry will earn $2.25 million in 2008, and $4.5 million in 2009, after which he can be a free agent.
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ryan church and philip humber for noah lowry? hells ya!
you guys are crazy. Noah lowry is a fringe number 5 starter. In the NL West. The guy isnt good. What is the deal
14-8 with a sub-4.00 ERA are fringe 5 numbers? Dan Haren was 15-9 last year, albeit with a far lower ERA. Joe Blanton was 14-10, with a similar ERA. Missing time, Lowry won 14 games on a last place team.
I’m not sure if I want him but don’t just say stuff for the point of saying it, when it’s clearly not true at all.
matt_bucc,
Steve Trachsel won 15 games in 2006, so he is just as good as Haren, huh?
Wins is the most meaningless stat to measure the relative quality of a pitcher, ERA is not too far behind. Both stats rely WAY too much on the other 8 players on the diamond.
If you want to objectively look at a pitcher’s effectiveness start with WHIP and K:BB ratios, and for relievers also look at the number of inherited runners that scored.
That will give you a better idea of how good or bad a pitcher actually is.
Change of Coasts ~ Left Hander….
Goes to show you Milledge lost all value
if he could catch us Lowry in a straight up trade……
damn
and I’d take Lowry over any of these other fudge packers
like Colon….Garcia….Livan….
Oh boy, people are going to be pissed…
This is the exact reason why we should have just brought back Lo Duca and traded Milledge for pitching. Whether it was for Lowry, Lidge, anyone would have been better then the garbage package we got in return from the Nationals. Anyone knocking Noah Lowry has just not been watching baseball, this kid made the Yankees lineup look stupid last year and many scouts have compared him to a young Tom Glavine. I understand he’s not an overpowering pitcher who blows you away, but the kid knows how to pitch.
Decent ERA, but a WHIP of 1.6 and 1:1 SO to BB ratio. Not overly impressive…probably not worth more than a straight up trade for Milledge.
agree 100%
he wouldn’t have been even worth trading milledge straight up for.
This was the first year that his walks were that much of an issue. In the past his WHIP has been in the 1.3’s. Last year it was 1.55 and he cleary had a tired arm. He is not an ace but if he comes cheaper than Blanton, I would think he could be just as good.
Lowry isn’t that good. He hasn’t shown that he can throw more than 150-160 innings and he walks as many as he strikes out.
He’s a solid number 3 or 4 at best. I’m glad Omar didn’t make that trade.
I would have to imagine he would have been coming here more as a #5. I’d rather have Lowry and LoDuca than Schneider and Church. But that’s just me.
“I would have to imagine he would have been coming here more as a #5. I’d rather have Lowry and LoDuca than Schneider and Church. But that’s just me.”
Im glad it is just you, because it seriously isnt even close. Schneider is so much of an upgrade over Lo Duca I couldnt possibly fathom how people are soo ignorant as too say they would rather have lo duca. I dont understand what goes wrong with these people as children to make them so unbearably ignorant. Instead of makign yourself sound like a stupid homer, got check out some numbers or something. Church is better then Milledge now, and Lo Duca and Schneider is not even a comparison.
NRMAX58,
I never said Lowry was wonderful. I said he would be coming here as a #5 starter…did I not? Schneider is an upgrade over LoDuca defensively, which is great. I want a defensive catcher, if it wasn’t going to be LoDuca. However, if we could have gotten a guy like Lowry instead of Schneider, then kept LoDuca….that probably would have been optimal.
By the way, don’t name call. It’s not my fault you were born with a small wee wee. Deal with it dude.
Also, you sound like the jacket when all you care about is numbers. LoDuca was a leader for this team…played with fire and heart. Who else did?
david wright did, and so did maine and OP and Pedro. Alou did when healthy… and just because he is a laid back guy, beltran had a pretty nice season.
small wee wee? really?
now i will ask nicely.
please stop calling paul loduca a leader?
the amount of praise this guy gets from fans is ridiculous. ill break it down again…singles hitter who didnt hit. no speed. no power. no arm. below average defensively. doesnt walk. whines to the media. cries to the umpires. and points fingers at teammates.
and what does that all equal…splitting time with Greg Zaun. maybe people can finally realize his true value.
guess that wasnt really a question i asked. oh well.
Never complained once about Beltran. He could be as laid back as he wants. I’m fine with him. Don’t have a problem with Delgado either. I’m just saying, we don’t have a manager that is willing to get run from a game. David Wright, Maine, OP, and Pedro have fire (you’re right about that), but I mean the kind of fire when things look terrible. Throwing bats out of the dugout.
How many times have you wanted to see Willie get tossed from a game because of an obvious horrible call. Even in the last two weeks, you wanted something to ignite them. They just didn’t have it. I think without LoDuca, there will be even less of that. I hope it works out well though.
The small wee wee comment was in response to being called ignorant. He seemed a little distressed about something. First thing that came to mind.
1-18-31-7-83-13-2-6-2 (or whatever your name is),
If you don’t think LoDuca is a leader, you’re lost. The last Saturday of the season, when Reyes was starting with Miguel Olivo and the benches cleared…who limped out of the dugout and went straight for Reyes and told him to keep his head straight?
That’s a leader. I’d rather have him in the 8 hole than Schneider. Not to mention, if you want to talk about a singles hitter who can’t hit for power, can’t run (anymore), can’t field (as well as he used to), is not at all a threat at the plate, and isn’t much of a leader…talk about Luis Castillo who just got 4 years.
I hope all of their moves work out. I was in favor of keeping Castillo, but I thought LoDuca should have come back for 2 years. We’ll see how it works out.
sorry, don’t agree. loduca is all phony intensity. he tries to put on a show. if he cared that much about winning he would run out grounders once in a while. if he wanted us to buy into this intensity thing he would come to camp inshape instead oflooking like the pillsbury dough boy. he bailed on his teammates with the “they speak English” comment. He got himself thrown out of two big games last year by losing his cool. screaming at umpires and throwing things on the field. that is not intensity. that is just dumb. i’ll take ray knight intensity any time.
That’s fine if you call it that. Let me ask you this though. Why did fans love Paul O’Neil so much? Was that intensity?
Running out ground balls. He was injured. How do you feel about Reyes running out ground balls? Same set of rules applies to all.
Reyes disappeared in the final month of the season. Want to trade him for Santana?
Look…not looking to argue about Paul LoDuca. But you can’t tell me that Brian Schneider is a significant upgrade. He isn’t. Game 7 of the NLCS. He was up with 1st and 2nd and 2 out. What did he do? Walked. He is a good situational hitter.
The “they speak English” comment was out of line. I think it was out of character too. But, I saw an interview with him at MSG during a Knicks game (yes, I wasted my evening watching the Knicks) and he didn’t have one bad thing to say about the organization.
To say LoDuca wasn’t part of the heart and soul of the team the past 2 years is irresponsible.
Fans loved Paul O’Neil because he was good, not because he threw bats and punched water coolers.
LoDuca was a distraction last year. He was awful. His OPS+ of 80 was 3 points higher than Schneider’s 77. By the way, Schneider also had a higher OBP than the “great situational hitter.”
Not taking anything away from LoDuca’s 2006 season, he was great. But he stunk last year. Trying to spin it any other way is irresponsible.
And that “team leader” set a great example for the young guys like Milledge, who got suspended for 3 games in the heat of a penant race.
This nonsense about showing “intensity” and getting run from a game to provide a spark is so overrated. Give me a guy who can keep his composure over LoDuca any day. That BS is a sign of frustration, not intensity or “a burning desire to win.” This isn’t football where getting angry and playing harder may give you a boost. In fact, getting angry and trying harder is usually counter-productive in baseball.
The proof is in the pudding. No one is offering him a starting job this season, and he’ll be lucky if the Blue Jays or Nationals sign him.
I think LoDuca’s value is greater to the Mets than any other team. I’m obviously not comparing them as players, because Jeter is far and away the better player. But, let me compare LoDuca’s value to the Mets with Jeter’s value to the Yanks.
Put Jeter on Kansas City, Tampa, Florida, White Sox, Rangers, Nationals or any team trying to get over the hump…he isn’t worth nearly as much to them winning as he is to the Yanks winning.
Same for LoDuca. It’s really an opinion based argument right here. I saw LoDuca as a leader on this team.
By the way, I didn’t say great situational hitter. I said “good”. Also, looking at OBP doesn’t tell you what kind of situational hitter someone is. Next, I am all for a defensive catcher, but one that doesn’t come at a cost (in terms of players) is much better than one you have to trade a potential 2008 starting OF for. Lastly, I understand this is an opinion-based argument (which I seem to be outnumbered on, and that’s fine), but I’ll stick to my guns here. I think LoDuca is better and more right for this team than Brian Schneider and an anti-semetic right fielder. I hope I’m wrong, but I think I’m right. But, that’s just me.
yup…he is essentially a poor man’s Tom Glavine’s met years
What’s so great about Lowry? His peripherals were TERRIBLE last year. He hasn’t been able to replicate his K rate from 2005.
I know he’s young and left-handed, but that’s about the end of the story — yes, Milledge for Lowry would’ve been better than Church/Schnieder, but the Giants wanted a pitcher back in the deal (and, I’m sorry, but it couldn’t have been Humber).
I am suprised that the Giants are willing to part with Lincecum. I thought as far as prospects go he was in a league above Cain and Lowry.
I don’t know what kind of cash crunch the Giants have but why are they looking to move any of these guys, they are locked up for a few years at affordable salaries and the offense is more than a few pieces away from being competitive.
They may need to suck it up for a year or two, put they Bonds Dividend in the bank and save it for when good hitters are available.
Agreed, Lincecum is far and away the best option on this list, both short-and-long-term.
How about Ryan Church, Carlos Gomez , Phillip Humber and Mike Carp for Matt Cain?
please tell me your joking…
either that or please never attempt to be a GM
WOW
Matt Cain is an enigma. Great stuff and all, but how’d he go 7-16 last year? He’s young tho, 22, so I’d go for him.
not overly impressed with Cain
I would do it yesterday. Matt Cain is the goods kids. We’ve been talking about the hype machine surrounding younger players and I really feel it applies to Lincecum. He’s good, don’t get me wrong, but Cain is the clear cut ace of that staff.
Lowry great, but i would try to get Tim Lincecum, that kid’s NASTY~!!!!! mid to high 90’s on the fastball, power-curve & developing a change, think he could learn alot from Pedro……
In fact, I think that Pelfry could also learn alot from Pedro, with the exception of that curve they’re very similar pitchers.
Maybe that was the x-factor we were missing with our pitchers last year, a guy that has the same style w/experience looking after these young arms, think bout the pitchers we had last year, Glavine & Duque, who are both great but they rely on their location and guile more than natural raw talent, unlike Pelfrey & Lincecum. Remember when Pedro had command issues????
I think that Glavine couldv’e tooken Humber under his wing and showed him a thing or two, considering that they are similar types of pitchers, they need control and guile to win a game.
Also, I think Pedro might take more of a liking to Lincecum b/c they are both viewed in similiarly, in the aspect that they are small framed power pitchers. Right now people are commenting on how Lincecum might have problems because of his body size, but that catapult delivery is the nastiest delivery I’ve ever seen, and that power curve looks more intimidating that certain Sosa’s slider.
tooken?
huh???
tooken – joke no?
i wouldnt mind doing a church/humber for lowry deal since humber nor church are probably needed to get santana but the OF would be very thin.
oh sure, NOW everyone gives Minaya credit..
you guys are funny lol
I think people tend to forget that we as fans only see a slight portion of what going around…….
People want to comment of Minaya’s actions, los mets this, fat man that, Steve phillips # 2 this, it goes on & on & on & on
but the truth is that we will never know what really goes on behind those locked doors until something really develops…….
Minaya knows his contract extension is on the line here, they just recently said that he couldn’t get one.
But all n all he’s done a great job, he’s also a GM of a major NY sports (if not the best NY baseball team) he’s got talent & anything we hear, he’s probably thought of it, heard it or looked into it.
In Omar we trust, he’s gonna get us Santana, at least i’m prayin…………
Well we knew what happened behind closed doors with Steve Phillips. He was busy sleeping with a woman who wasn’t his wife.
ROFLMAO~!!
Kazmir was his bastard child and couldn’t be next to the kid, so he traded him in desperation to get Zambrano.
I would have still done a Milledge for Lowry deal as long as the pitcher was Humber. As for the Milledge for Church/Schnider deal, I would have liked it to have been expanded to get a quality reliever. Maybe Milledge and Humber for Church/Shcnider and Rauch?
We really have no idea how much Milledge’s stock had fallen. I for one am content righ now with Church in RF.
Tradinh Humber for Lowry would even be really bad. Church is worth much more then Lowry alone. Lowry is not good. I love the people who look at era and W/L to evaluate a player. It is amusing. Lowry is not a good baseball player at the ML level.
I think ERA is very relevant for evaluating a pitcher. Wins, no. But ERA is invaluable. Especially for starters.
Having said that Lowry is nothing special. A very average pitcher with a bad WHIP, and he’s only pitched over 160 innings once in his career.
The thing with Lincecum is that he’s tiny. He must be barely 5′10″ and his delivery is violent. I think the Giants see injuries in his future and want to get the most for him while they can.
Is this thinking wayyyy ahead of myself? Probably. The kid has nasty stuff, but I can see an injury plagued career high-lighted with flashed of brilliance, but no sustained success.
But that’s the same exact thing they said about Pedro…
They have this video where it breaks down his mechanics, & if I remember correctly (I might not because i’m hung-over, ugh) it’s still on mlb.com.
But his delivery & game preparations, mechanics & might prove to be something special… .
Pedro’s way taller, about 3″ and has freakishly long fingers. Besides, Pedro’s delivery is not nearly as violent and he never threw as hard as Lincecum.
I’m not saying I wouldn’t trade for him, but I’d have my reservations. I think his youthful zest would be a perfect fit for this team.
btw, if he was lefty, no one would complain.
while lincecaum is a total flame thrower pedro still got up there to 96-97 i mean i know theres a big difference between 97 and 99 but pedro was still pumpin gas so its definitely a fair comparison.
that i agree with 100%, if he’s a lefty he’d be a hot prospect.
But even with that violent delivery, no ice on his arm after pitching and being shorter I still think that he’s worth taking a gamble on, that is if we can get him for a fair price, I’m gonna go to my Willie randolph answer and say that I have a “feeling” on this kid.
Also, i heard that Pedro had surgery on the webbing of his fingers when he was younger to get his fingers longer. Does anyone know anything bout that??
I can see Lincecum developing a swagger that comes with a few wins under ones belt in New York. Tim and Ollie would be a great pair to bring many years of postseason berths to the new stadium.
i doubt we have anywhere near what SF would want for lincecaum. imagine if we had him? we’d probably keep him for anyone short of albert pujols or matt halladay.
Wagner is 5′10″.
Ever seen a slow-motion video of him pitching, it’s seems like the velocity that he generates gonna tear his arm off.
And also Wagner’s a freak, he’s a right hander, pitching left handed and still has been known to hit triple digits.
I don’t think the Mets need to trade for a pitcher who may be badly injured. That being said, I would have done Humber and Milledge for Lowry plus a minor leaguer.
New York Mets 2008 Roster Scenarios
(As of December 7th, 2007)
Starting Lineup Bench
1.Jose Reyes SS(S/R) 1.Endy Chavez OF(L/L)
2.Luis Castillo 2B(S/R) 2.Ramon Castro C(R/R)
3.David Wright 3B(R/R) 3.Marlon Anderson OF(L/R)
4.Carlos Beltran CF(S/R) 4.Damion Easley 2B(R/R)
5.Carlos Delgado 1B(L/R) 5.Carlos Gomez OF(R/R)
6.Moises Alou LF(R/R)
7.Ryan Church RF(L/L)
8.Brian Schneider C(L/R)
Starting Rotation Bullpen
1.Pedro MartinezRHP 1.Jorge Sosa LR (RHP)
2.John Maine RHP 2.Scott Schoenweiss MR (LHP)
3.Oliver Perez LHP 3.Steven Register MR (RHP)
4.Orlando Hernandez LHP 4.Juan Padilla MR (RHP)
5.Mike Pelfrey LHP 5.Pedro Feliciano SU (LHP)
6.Duaner Sanchez SU (RHP)
7.Billy Wagner CP (LHP)
Vs RHP Vs LHP
1.Jose Reyes (S/R) 1.Jose Reyes (S/R)
2.Luis Castillo (S/R) 2.Luis Castillo (S/R)
3.David Wright (R/R) 3.David Wright (R/R)
4.Carlos Beltran (S/R) 4.Carlos Beltran (S/R)
5.Carlos Delgado(L/R) 5.Moises Alou (R/R)
6.Moises Alou (R/R) 6.Carlos Delgado (L/R)
7.Ryan Church (L/R) 7.Ramon Castro (R/R)
8.Brian Schneider (L/R) 8.Carlos Gomez (R/R)
If we we’re to stand pat and not make any trades or signings. There’s some notable problems (No innings eater, relying on pitchers like Pelfrey, Register, Padilla, and Sanchez, No backup 1B for Delgado) Personally I can live with the pitching scenarios cause with internal roster tweaks it can work, if anything I really think we gotta find a backup for Delgado. Your thoughts?
I think we should bat Alou ahead of Delgado regardless of the LH/RH pitcher.
Easley had played 23 games at 1B. Anderson has played 31 games at 1B.
Assuming that we don’t add starting pitching then:
1. Aquire a right handed player that can play OF and allow Gomez to play regularly in AAA. If Nady is available he’d be ideal. A Church/Nady platoon would be an acceptable RF option.
2. Improve the bullpen. Lidge to Philly may be the biggest offseason addition in the NL East. The Mets need to counter this move with a bullpen addition of their own. Joe Smith will probably beat out one of the people on your list (it’s doubtful that both Padilla/Sanchez will be MLB ready to start and Sosa’s spot is vulnerable).
Um, not to say that you don’t know what you’re talking about, Metsrmylife, but Duque & Pelfrey are RHP, not LHP.
no kidding on your screen name
How could your forget yesterday’s blockbuster pickup of “Nasty” Nate Field?
Shawn Green. Hit .326 vs righties last season, with OPS of .865 and AFAIK is quite available.
Shawn Green had a much better season than Delgado. If it were up to me I bury Delgado under CitiField and bring back Green to play 1B
nah, play Shawn Green over Church in RF to teach him that Jews may indeed be “doomed” in the next life but can sure as heck play baseball in this one. Delgado is gonna hit like a MoFo this season.
I still think a couple of avenues need to be taken and then if nothing happens sign Silva.
1) Continue to monitor the Santana Bedard sweepstakes.
2) Try and get Millwood and Otsuka for Pelfrey and Humber. Great salary dump for Texas.
3) Try and get E. Santana from the Angels for a salary dump of Anderson or Mathews Jr. If we take one of those he should be able to be had for lesser prospects.
Here’s another interesting thought that would not cost much prospect wise.
Do the Texas trade, then trade Heilman for Daniel Cabrerra.
Rotation
Pedro, Maine, Perez, Millwood and Cabrerra. And you still have most of the key pieces needed to get Santana if you wanted.
I like Cabrera, but Im not sure he is even worth Heilman. I love his stuff and keep waiting for the year he breaks out though. Personally, I would rather throw Heilman into the rotation then sign Silva. I think he is better, not to mention cheaper. I would even pickup Livan before Silva. People say what they want about Livan, but he will pitch 200 innings, and livan could probably look like a 10 million dollar pitcher with shea as his home park. Pitchers usually pitch very well because of the winds and dimensions at shea. The great de also doesn hurt.
Right so why not sign Silva who is younger and has better numbers in the AL? Would his numbers not be affected by the “winds” at Shea? I know he will cost more years but lets say you have to give Livan 2 years 20 million or Silva 4 years 32 million. Just front load Silva’s contract for 2 years 20 million and have a very tradable 6 million dollar pitcher after that?
thats nice thinking 86…. like your idea although i think millwood would be better fit in the 3rd slot of the rotation over perez i think perez is a 5th slot it would be nice if we could get ervin santana i seriously like the kids potential i mean he didnt have a good year last season but overall hes pitched 3 seasons and 2 of them where winning ones in which he went 16-8 … and hes pitching in the AL he would be a good pitcher in the NL
are rotation would be armed to the teeth with these guys …
1 ace
2 martinez
3 millwood/ e.santana
4 maine
5 e.santana/ perez
Hey to expand on this, maybe once you do these trades you trade Perez to Toronto for Rios. :)
Imagine
Pedro, Maine, Millwood, Cabrerra, Elduque/Ace and bump everyone down.
Lineup
Reyes, Castillo, Wright, Beltran, Alou, Delgado, Rios, Schnider :)
Sorry to “86″ your trade, 86, but Garry Matthews has a full no-trade clause thru the end of 2009, a limited no-trade clause after that, and gets $42mm for the next 4 years. With Gomez coming by 2009, and Beltran set thru 2011, taking Matthews is not worth the money. Anderson gets $12mm this year plus a $3mm buyout (or $14mm in 2009) – but he can only play LF, so that’s a problem for the Mets w/Moises.
Wow, a poster with some sense that isnt ready to jump off a bridge because Omar hasnt acquired an ace (that we dont even need, sure it would be nice, but havent we eben hearing we need an ace for 3 years now?) Good post. I am ready to go to war with the team we have right now. If I hae my choice of pitchers, it would go Haren, then Bedard, then Santana. I am just not keen on giving out a 7/150 contract, and our whole system. It would essentially be signing a free agent, and losing your farm system, and payin record money. No thanks. I will take Haren at 3/15 over Santana for 7/150 every day and twice on sunday. I love Bedard, but he has had some injuries, which worry me.
You would take Haren over Santana, but note this:
Billy Beane is going to hold out for a ridiculous package, which we probably couldn’t satisfy. Billy Beane has no incentive to trade Haren, who is very affordable right now. Santana neutralizes the Phillies lefties (so does Bedard, but like you said, his injuries). Santana is better than Haren and will likely cost just as much, player-wise. We didn’t have an ace for the past three years…yeah, and where did it get us?
Your thinking has flaws.
I’m not ready to “jump off a bridge” either. For a very long time, the Mets have had “above average” starting pitching and this translates into regular season victories. Right now the Mets are about the same as the 88 win team from last year. Glavine didn’t add much in the 2nd half of last year but he did help with the good 1st half start.
When they lost game 7 of the NLCS, my hope was that the team would get better. It didn’t last year and hasn’t done anything this offseason to indicate that they will be better this year. Dice-K was the one guy the team targeted last offseason and when that didn’t happen there was no real “plan B.”
I understand that it’s difficult/unlikely that the Mets will land one of the 10-12 guys in MLB that could make a significant difference to their rotation. I can’t say that I’m happy but it is reality. So now what? It can’t be stand pat because this team will struggle to make the playoffs.
As I posted above, I’d like to see some gaps closed like adding a right handed RF that adds power and another bull pen arm. Making these moves without subtracting a “trading chip” will be important to keeping the team in contention up to the trade deadline.
HOLD ON everybodys forgetting that the priority was pitching … lowry is a good pitcher so if we had the chance to trade milledge and say humber for lowry i would have done it good pitching is becoming hard to find … and lets not play stupid we all know if we had to get santana bedard haren etc….. they would want pelfrey over humber so omar should have made that trade it was a good trade…
1 if we get a ace
2 martinez
3 lowry
4maine
5perez
and put someone like colon in the bullpen just to see if he gets back to his original CY YOUNG form it would have been worth giving them what they wanted ..
Lowry for Matsui is a bad trade for the Mets as that would free up money for the Yankees to justify a better offer for Santana.
The buzz out here is that the Giants were asking for Millz, not the other way around. So I’m not sure there was a request for a pitcher involved.
For all the disappointment in the Mets not yet getting apitcher and the young pitchers having no impact on the big club, watching the SF Giants up close gives me some perspective. They do not have ONE decent every day player. They are old and bad. Think about this lineup: Vizquael, Frandsen, Feliz (and he is leaving), Durham, Klesko, possible Matsui, Aurelia, Rajai Davis, Winn, Rberts, and their star, Molina!
2 possible aces and a couple of back end starters, and no bullpen to speak of.
Wow, that is one bad team.
And absolutely no prospects of note!
Great ballpark, though, Citifield looks alot like it.
I think that there is room for a 3 way deal involving the Giants.
Giants get:
Church
Humber
Joe Nathan
They desperately need a closer, get a young pitcher in return, and the OF bat they seek (not as good as Rios, but still very servicable and cheaper)
Twins get:
Lincecum
Gomez
Pelfrey
Heilman
Mets get:
Santana
Heilman steps in for Nathan and becomes their closer. Lincecum is the young potential ace, and Pelfey could become a solid mid-rotation guy, and they get Gomez to be their leadoff hinter/defensive CF’er for years.
I think it makes sense… especially since the Giants are (I have no clue why) offering Lincecum up in trades.
I don’t think you would need to ass Pelfrey then, maybe a gotay or sumthin like that
**add
It’s just plain not going to happen…fun to speculate I guess, but Santana is not going to happen
It is just that, fun to speculate. That’s why I love fantasy football and baseball. Gives me some sanity when Omar doesn’t meet my Hot Stove needs.
Next. There is no way the Giants trade Lincecum for a 4th OFer (platoon at best) a 32 yr old closer they already traded away (for Perniesky) and a borderline pitching prospect. If they didn’t take Upton ofr Linceum, this is not happening.
Lowry is a viable backup option when all else fails with the Santana, Bedard, Haren, Blanton options…and I do mean when. He comes cheaper and he has great stuff. He could bloom in the way CC Sabathia did after his first couple of years. (Yes I know Sabathia had 17 wins in 2001, his first year, but that was with a high ERA and a nasty Cleveland line-up still hitting behind him).
Omar,
Sign Andy Phillips to back up Delgado NOW
I like Lowry in the long-term as well, as he should be a decent (or better) starter for a low salary through his 2010 club option year, but for a win-now team, it would be just too risky. There’s a very good chance he’ll miss significant time next year- if he hasn’t done anything to fix that elbow, there’s only so much that simply resting it in the off-season is going to help. Even if he doesn’t end up needing TJ surgerey, which he very well may, it seems likely that he’ll need to be rested again and/or have his mechanics messed with by trying to reduce strain on the elbow. He’d be much more attractive to a team more interested in 2009 and 2010 than 2008.
I am not convinced there is a real problem with the elbow. There is no actuasl damage detected in the MRI as far as I know. Now there could be a Prior/wood type pitcher in hjim we should be worried about. But I do not think we have to worry about TJ urgery.
I would take Lowry. Might not be any better than a Humber or Mulvey, and not much upside, be he is at least further developed.
What I don’t understand is why the heck they would want Matsui. He is old and falling apart.
Let’s just trade them Alou back instead.
How about Gotay? He is a ML ready bat, young under control player. Might not be a GG at 2B yet, but he has potential. And he did hit .295 with some pop.
That’s it… I am changing my name to Person familiar with the situation.”
Listen Dan–that’s fine-you buy into this loduca intensity and I think he is a phony. Saying he was par of the heart and soul of this team doesn’t say much. this is a soft team. they have choked two years rtunning, not just one. he never ran out grounders, hurt or not. and yes, as a matter of fact, i would trade Reyes. I am not looking to be entertained. I want to win. Players like Jopse don’t guarantee anything but entertainment. david Eckstein has won two WS. Santana gives us a much better chance of getting to the Big Show than Reyes does. Don’t accuse me of being irresponsible. You just finished lecturing somebody else about ad hominem attacks. I just have a different opinion than you do.
Ad hominem?
santana is not worth all the mets prospects for this reason. he needs to get moved, if hte twins don’t sign him now they’re not getting anything. i say we look into that phony rumor of rocco baldelli and scott kazmir to the mets, we could make that trade work without having to give up f-mart
Im not sure what is more insane…that people think that:
a. SF would even want church….they want power potential, LMilz had more power….but I still say Church is an upgrade, but in that park, he would only hit 10hrs
b.that Lowery is worth church + humber/AAA….not quite. Humber and him have similar stuff, but Humber has potential. I dont think trading our starting RF and a possible starter in 08/09 for a backend starter, with limited success is a good deal. Lowery is a nice SP, but thats too rich for me. Plus, Humber has value to some teams, so it could mess up a trade. You make it Sanchez, and we will talk. He is similar to Pelf, is a young, powerful lefts, but works from the BP bc there are no open rotation spots. I would be interested in him in a lesser package.
c. How can soooo many bloggers think of listing Maine and OP as 4/5 SP?????????????????? Your kidding right? On no planet does Lowery start in front of OP and Maine, sorry. They were borderline allstars last year, lowery had almost a 4 ERA… not in the same league.
On another trade scenario, we match up well with SF, they have $ to spend and need a CF + 1b, and are looking for a power hitter.
1-Delgado has 1 yr left, plus a team option, with a fairly high salary. SF needs a power hittier and 1b…. anyone else see a good trade possiblity. 1 for 1, lowery or Sanchez. We turn around and sign either andy phillips or josh phelps or even shawn green. This might be the best opportunity to net a SP without killing another potential trade. Expand it? Send church, delgado, + show/gotay or prospect for sanchez and lowery. Solves their problems[cf/1b] and ours[rp +sp].
2-The way I see it, I would even ask Beltran to waive his no-trade clause, and send him to SF straight up for Cain/Lincecum. We then sign Rowand [or lesser: fukudome, cameron] to play CF, and he supplies some power and good D. Can always be moved to a corner if Gomez becomes that good.
Ideas?
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