Comments on: Buzz: Giants wanted Milledge, plus, for Lowry

By: More Non-moves -- Mets Today

More Non-moves -- Mets Today — Thu, 01 May 2008 17:02:25 +0000

[...] and Matt Cain, and the Giants countering with Noah Lowry. There was at least one rumor that the Mets were considering Lowry, supposedly in return for Lastings Milledge (though I was hoping they’d go for Jonathan [...]

By: dannyb

dannyb — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:04:46 +0000

Ad hominem?

By: dannyb

dannyb — Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:59:32 +0000

I think LoDuca’s value is greater to the Mets than any other team. I’m obviously not comparing them as players, because Jeter is far and away the better player. But, let me compare LoDuca’s value to the Mets with Jeter’s value to the Yanks.

Put Jeter on Kansas City, Tampa, Florida, White Sox, Rangers, Nationals or any team trying to get over the hump…he isn’t worth nearly as much to them winning as he is to the Yanks winning.

Same for LoDuca. It’s really an opinion based argument right here. I saw LoDuca as a leader on this team.

By the way, I didn’t say great situational hitter. I said “good”. Also, looking at OBP doesn’t tell you what kind of situational hitter someone is. Next, I am all for a defensive catcher, but one that doesn’t come at a cost (in terms of players) is much better than one you have to trade a potential 2008 starting OF for. Lastly, I understand this is an opinion-based argument (which I seem to be outnumbered on, and that’s fine), but I’ll stick to my guns here. I think LoDuca is better and more right for this team than Brian Schneider and an anti-semetic right fielder. I hope I’m wrong, but I think I’m right. But, that’s just me.

By: whatdatmean

whatdatmean — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:10:06 +0000

Im not sure what is more insane…that people think that:
a. SF would even want church….they want power potential, LMilz had more power….but I still say Church is an upgrade, but in that park, he would only hit 10hrs
b.that Lowery is worth church + humber/AAA….not quite. Humber and him have similar stuff, but Humber has potential. I dont think trading our starting RF and a possible starter in 08/09 for a backend starter, with limited success is a good deal. Lowery is a nice SP, but thats too rich for me. Plus, Humber has value to some teams, so it could mess up a trade. You make it Sanchez, and we will talk. He is similar to Pelf, is a young, powerful lefts, but works from the BP bc there are no open rotation spots. I would be interested in him in a lesser package.
c. How can soooo many bloggers think of listing Maine and OP as 4/5 SP?????????????????? Your kidding right? On no planet does Lowery start in front of OP and Maine, sorry. They were borderline allstars last year, lowery had almost a 4 ERA… not in the same league.

On another trade scenario, we match up well with SF, they have $ to spend and need a CF + 1b, and are looking for a power hitter.
1-Delgado has 1 yr left, plus a team option, with a fairly high salary. SF needs a power hittier and 1b…. anyone else see a good trade possiblity. 1 for 1, lowery or Sanchez. We turn around and sign either andy phillips or josh phelps or even shawn green. This might be the best opportunity to net a SP without killing another potential trade. Expand it? Send church, delgado, + show/gotay or prospect for sanchez and lowery. Solves their problems[cf/1b] and ours[rp +sp].
2-The way I see it, I would even ask Beltran to waive his no-trade clause, and send him to SF straight up for Cain/Lincecum. We then sign Rowand [or lesser: fukudome, cameron] to play CF, and he supplies some power and good D. Can always be moved to a corner if Gomez becomes that good.

Ideas?

By: metfan24

metfan24 — Sat, 08 Dec 2007 02:51:05 +0000

santana is not worth all the mets prospects for this reason. he needs to get moved, if hte twins don’t sign him now they’re not getting anything. i say we look into that phony rumor of rocco baldelli and scott kazmir to the mets, we could make that trade work without having to give up f-mart

By: jdon

jdon — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:18:30 +0000

Listen Dan–that’s fine-you buy into this loduca intensity and I think he is a phony. Saying he was par of the heart and soul of this team doesn’t say much. this is a soft team. they have choked two years rtunning, not just one. he never ran out grounders, hurt or not. and yes, as a matter of fact, i would trade Reyes. I am not looking to be entertained. I want to win. Players like Jopse don’t guarantee anything but entertainment. david Eckstein has won two WS. Santana gives us a much better chance of getting to the Big Show than Reyes does. Don’t accuse me of being irresponsible. You just finished lecturing somebody else about ad hominem attacks. I just have a different opinion than you do.

By: the_other_matt

the_other_matt — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:50:16 +0000

That’s it… I am changing my name to Person familiar with the situation.”

By: phoola

phoola — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:31:26 +0000

nah, play Shawn Green over Church in RF to teach him that Jews may indeed be “doomed” in the next life but can sure as heck play baseball in this one. Delgado is gonna hit like a MoFo this season.

By: stickguy

stickguy — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:31:16 +0000

I would take Lowry. Might not be any better than a Humber or Mulvey, and not much upside, be he is at least further developed.

What I don’t understand is why the heck they would want Matsui. He is old and falling apart.

Let’s just trade them Alou back instead.

How about Gotay? He is a ML ready bat, young under control player. Might not be a GG at 2B yet, but he has potential. And he did hit .295 with some pop.

By: squad

squad — Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:27:34 +0000

Fans loved Paul O’Neil because he was good, not because he threw bats and punched water coolers.

LoDuca was a distraction last year. He was awful. His OPS+ of 80 was 3 points higher than Schneider’s 77. By the way, Schneider also had a higher OBP than the “great situational hitter.”

Not taking anything away from LoDuca’s 2006 season, he was great. But he stunk last year. Trying to spin it any other way is irresponsible.

And that “team leader” set a great example for the young guys like Milledge, who got suspended for 3 games in the heat of a penant race.

This nonsense about showing “intensity” and getting run from a game to provide a spark is so overrated. Give me a guy who can keep his composure over LoDuca any day. That BS is a sign of frustration, not intensity or “a burning desire to win.” This isn’t football where getting angry and playing harder may give you a boost. In fact, getting angry and trying harder is usually counter-productive in baseball.

The proof is in the pudding. No one is offering him a starting job this season, and he’ll be lucky if the Blue Jays or Nationals sign him.