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In Newsday, Ken Davidoff explains why the Mets must stop being ‘good citizens’ in the draft and no longer use the ‘slotting system,’ which provides a recommended guideline from the commisoner’s office on when to select a player – and how much he should be paid – so to help limit signing bonuses across the board.
…i have heard and read similar comments to davidoff’s by people at Baseball America when criticizing the Mets drafting style, as well as from fans, be it blogs, in this site’s comments section, or in my e-mail’s inbox…
Fortunately, according to Davidoff, it sounds as though Omar Minaya wants to change his ‘drafting methodology,’ adding that the Mets have not ‘paid over slot’ since drafting Mike Pelfrey in 2005, and ‘they haven’t utilized their considerable financial might to take some risks in the later rounds, either.’
A friggen Men…. one of the most frustrating aspects of Omar’s tenure is our disapointing drats…
As of right now we have 3 first round/sandwhich picks… let’ make a friggen statement
Not giving Matthew Efferson 500K this year was just a joke
seriously this draft could be huge for this teams success 2-3 years from now. hopefully omar will take care of business.
freddy coupon….
he might spend quote on quote on big…like beltran, pedro, and etc….
but he always cut corners in other areas..where this year its showing…..
our prospects suck…and its because teams like yankees, boston, angels, dodgers…are willing to pay overslot.
Are you even a Mets fan? What are you doing here? Don’t comment if your gonna bash the Mets.
You’re kidding right? This is not a place solely for Poliana Met fans. We come, we bash, we come back and bash some more.
Way to support the team.
brian_38, is this your first time to the site? people bash all the time here. part of being a fan is knowing what your team needs to do differently. we arent all blind loyalists of the wilpons and the new york mets.
ive been on the site b4 just never commenting, but cmon, i mean, freddy coupons isnt even funny, and yea theres things the team needs to do differently but people can say it in a different way.
Do you work in the Mets front office?
Some people on here do get overly negative. But everyone is absolutely within their rights to bring up any and all gripes with the Mets.
The Mets management has flaws. Poor drafts are amongst them. If you have been following the winter meetings and this years trade market you will see that the Mets lack of talented low contract, controllable major league talent is hampering their ability to address the team’s pitching woes.
don’t be such a met stooge, we who take the time to interact and give our opinon here all love the mets. but we aren’t blind to the misgivings of the organization. blind faith is plain stupid.
freddy coupons is spot on.
Bottom line, not many teams with overwhelming farm systems. And the Mets have quite a few good prospects, otherwise they wouldn’t be in the running for Johan. Everyone loves to parrot the line that the Mets don’t have anyone on the farm. Simply not true–the big lie.
who did they get the sandwich pick for? Did they get 2 picks for Glavine?
The Mets haven’t had first round picks since Pelfrey, so its not surprising they havent overpayed for thier slot. They probably should have overpayed for that one kid that got redrafted by a different team, that was a wasted draft choice.
I would love to see the Mets have a philosophy of not giving away thier first round pick as compensation for players like Alou and Luis Vizciano. Its one thing to lose those picks to sign Beltran, Wagner, etc. But some of them just arent worth it.
yeah i think we gets 2 picks for our favorite choke artist lets just hope we can parlay it into someone worth while ju know wass im sayin?
Yup.. we got the Braves 18th pick… plus a sandwhich.. and our original 1st rounder… so the mot early picks we’ve had in quite awhile..
Once we sign Livan Hernandez we’ll lose our 1st rounder.
Brandon Efferson*
The slotting system is a complete joke, like much of what comes out of the commissioner’s office. All this system does is deter teams that follow the rules from taking quality talent, and they get nothing for it. Other teams like the Yankees and Tigers are the direct beneficiaries of these decisions (Chamberlain, Porcello).
If the league wants to make this system work, punish teams that draft and pay out of slot. Take away their 1st and 2nd round picks from the following draft for drafting out of slot. Anything less than that amounts to nothing less than a giftwrapped reward for the guys who tell the league to go screw themveslves.
Righthander Brandon Efferson, who pitched Zachary High to the state 4-A title, flashes three plus pitches. He has an 89-94 mph fastball, a curveball and a changeup with splitter action. The only knocks on him are that he’s just 5-foot-11 and 165 pounds and reportedly has a seven-figure price tag, a combination that will knock him down in the draft. Efferson has been likened to Roy Oswalt but hasn’t been crosschecked by many clubs. He has a clean delivery and generates his quality stuff with arm speed rather than maximum effort. He has committed to Southeastern Louisiana.
Woulda been nice to have him
The Mets 17th Round Pick Pedro Beato in 2005 was also not signed. I remember hearing he wanted a 1mill singing bonus and we wouldn`t give it too him. In the 2006 he went in the first round to the Orioles. He should be in their top 10 prospects this year too. Would of been nice to have him as well. oh well.
From Baseball America http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/askba/261450.html
Beato has a hard sinker that sits around 90 mph and touches 96. He also has a sharp 84-85 mph slider and a promising changeup. He has a strong build at 6-foot-5 and 210 pounds, and his biggest need is to improve his mechanics and, by extension, his command. At age 19, he has plenty of time to figure that out
C’mon, was any 17th round pick ever given a million bucks?
If not, I don’t know how you can complain about the Mets.
Yes i know he was a 17th round pick mostly becaues he had TJ surgery not that long before he was drafted, but there was a general consensus that he was going to be a first round pick. Im not saying the world is ending, he had a decent year in low-A but still you can`t let talent just slip away. After a while it comes to but us like it kind of is now. I want Santana but i dont wanna give up everything and we might have too which stinks
If there was a general consensus that he was going to be a first round pick, why was he passed over about 560 times before the Mets took a chance on him? Apparently 29 other clubs at the time felt he was not good enough to be taken earlier.
And the question remains, has anyone taken in the 17th round ever been given a bonus that large?
Beato so far has average stats through 2 years in the minors — 3.89 ERA, 7.14 K/9, and 1.35 WHIP. Nothing special. I’d be surprised if he’s in the Orioles top 10.
As far as the bonus thing im not sure if anyone was given anything that large. A big reason for being drafted late was Tj surgery. He had it during his junior year, so that means he pretty much misses all his senior year. So you really can`t scout a guy who didn`t pitch.He was one of those draft and follows and he showed good stuff, and showed potential for being a first round pick, which he was by the Orioles. And for his numbers i agree they are average, but in a system like ours which doesn`t have a lot of depth a high ceiling guy like Beato would of been great. If he came to the Mets, i think he could of been a top 10 prospect this year for our system. Vineyard and Parnell seem like #9 and 10, and I would perfer Beato, but it doesn`t matter anyway now. Theres no way to find out if hes a bust or not. The problem I had with this was that their were reports that the Mets and Beato were close to a deal but when he wanted a little extra, we didn`t settle and take it. If the Mets felt he would of been a nothing fine let him go, but they couldn`t get the deal done. The more depth the better, and i just hope when there are high ceiling talents in later rounds that have reasonable price tags we take them and not just leave them and have them be high draft picks later. And im not complaining about the Mets management and Fred Wilpon its his money he doesnt have to spend it, I just want him to tell the commionser to shut up ! i want to winnnn
Jose Reyes was undrafted… Albert Pujols was drafted in the 13th round. I would say there are definitely some 17th round picks worth 1 million.
Well Reyes was an International Free Agent, like F-Mart, Guerra, and Pena, but yes there are others like Oswalt, Peavy , and Piazza who are late round gems worth $$$
Well, was Piazza paid above what was normal for a very late round pick at the time? Was Pujols paid over slot? The point is, if they weren’t, it’s moot to bring them up. We all know there are gems to be had in the later rounds, but at the time they are picked, that’s not the general viewpoint on these prospects. No one knew that they would be gems. So the question is, where do you draw the line? Do you go around giving everyone money over slot because they all might be gems? They already went over slot on Pelfrey that year, so it’s clear they are willing to do it. Just not for everyone. And I don’t think they should.
Again, if Beato were so desirable, how come no one else picked him before? And did anyone else give a 17th round pick a million?
Second round picks dont get a million
But nobody ever knows if any player will be great. There are plenty of number one picks that turn out to be complete flops. I mean, Piazza didn’t even make his high school baseball team his first year and turned out to be the best hitting catcher in history. So if people see the skill might be there and have the ability to throw a million at them then why not?
If people see the skill is there that warrants a million bucks, why are they drafting them in the 17th round?
Well yes he was a 17th round pick, but it was obvious based on his performance while being a draft and follow that he was going to be a first round pick, or supplemental pick if the Mets let him go. You keep seeing it as though he would be in the 17th round in the 2006 draft but he was not he was taken 30th overall this year last pick of the 1st round. A big reason for him not being drafted high is injury, Tj surgery meant he wasn`t pitching so he dropped far, and many teams don`t like drafting high school players like a beato because they want more money as we see here. I believe Beato signed for 1mill and 250k, which was more then we may have gotten him for. But when their is this type of talen here, he has pretty good stuff you gotta get it signed and the Mets showed a lot of interest in signing him and they didn`t. It has yet to be seen if he will make anything of himself, but he still has time.
If the commissioner’s office wants to limit signing bonuses, let them try to add it to the next CBA. Until then, they should STFU.
Yep. They say this could be the most loaded draft in years too.
Lets get Some Pitching.
And guys, how about we stop calling him Freddie Coupons, getting old.
getting old? It’s been old for 2 months now.
I seriously think it’s just some troll with multiple accounts or something, because just about every post about “Freddy Coupons” reads exactly the same way.
i disagree. he has well earned the name freddy coupons. bringing up that he is wealthier than steinbrenner is stupid because none of these guys speand there own money on teams.
freddy owns a team in NYC. he could afford a payroll that is much higher and does not. thats what makes him cheap. he does not want to do everything in his power to win and thats what makes everyone on this blog upset with him. georgy boy cares about winning at all costs and freddy simply does not. yes he has made some big signings but no where near what he is capable of.
we didnt even offer A-rod a contract. we could have but he didnt want to speand that $$$. im not saying arod would have been the answer but with him on this team we would have gaurenteed a playoff spot for the next few years and it just makes me upset to be a met fan and have an owner not as commited to winning it all the way all of us are.
comparing the Mets and Yankees is ridiculous. The Mets have the 3rd highest payroll in baseball, and by far the largest in the National League. They play in the same city as the Yankees, but they don’t have close to the same national following as the Yankees (or Red Sox), which is why their payroll can’t go as high as those two. Go to a city other than NY, and walk around for a few hours, counting the number of Yankees hats, Red Sox hats, and Mets hats you see. I guarantee you’ll see at least 5 times as many more Yankees or Red Sox gear as Mets. That’s a revenue stream for those teams that the Mets don’t have.
And even if Wilpon IS cheap, Freddy Coupons is just a stupid nickname. It doesn’t rhyme or really even sound like his name. Freddy Wil-not-pay or something would be more clever. Stop sounding like unintelligent Yankees fans!
(note: that last paragraph was supposed to be semi-sarcastic)
Just a question, if the Mets actually sign Santana or Bedard or some other big name, does anybody think the Freddy Coupons whining will stop?
my point exactly.
probably not
I doubt the “Freddy Coupon” tag will ever go away. The people who call him that probably sit in the upper deck when they go to Shea anyway. I guess it takes one to know one!!
Hey, I don’t like the guy that much either, but there’s 27 owners that spend less than he does. Fair is fair.
yea but mets make probably 90% more than most of those teams…
Nonsense. Their 2006 revenues were estimated by Forbes to be roughly the same as the LA Dodgers. And like all big revenue teams the more the Mets make, the more they have to hand over to MLB for revenue sharing and luxury taxes.
Here are estimated 2006 revenues for all 30 MLB clubs:
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/33/07mlb_The-Business-Of-Baseball_Revenue.html
There is absolutely no basis for the lame Freddie Coupon nonsense. But I guess it will continue to go on forever
VCar, great article. Interesting to me that all teams bring in more than $100M revenue and that the Marlins bring in the least revenue, but keep the most profit. That’s a cheap ass owner.
Forbes does that every year. Keep in mind they don’t have access to ALL information so they just estimate a lot of it, I guess. The owners do not open up their books.
Also keep in mind that teams have other huge costs besides the payroll. I don’t know if it’s fair to indict the Marlins owners. I think they are a victim of their location. I don’t think a major league team is viable in Miami.
You don’t put any credit into the fact that the Mets have the highest percentage of debt relative to their value? That can’t exactly be a positive sign.
All the more reason they shouldn’t be reckless with their spending.
that might be the stupidest thing youve ever said. yes there are 27 other owners who spend less but NONE OF THEM PLAY IN NY. THERE TEAMS DO NOT BRING IN HALF THE MONEY WE DO. THE ONLY OTHER TEAM THAT GENERATES THE REVENUE WE DO IS ACROSS TOWN AND THERE PAYROLL IS MORE THAN DOUBLE. NOW DO YOU REALLY THINK THE YANKEES GENERATE MORE THAN DOUBLE THE REVENUE.??????
I didn’t realize that the Mets were adhering to slot while others weren’t. They do need to change that. However I don’t know if you can say that’s the only reason for the Mets perceived weak farm system…
First, they did go over slot in 2005 for Pelfrey, so they have made exceptions.
Second, part of the problem is simply a lack of draft picks in the early rounds. The Yankees and Red Sox have simply had a lot more over the last few years, while still maintaining a high payroll. They tend to offer arbitration to their players more often than Omar does so even when they lose picks by signing a free agent, they will get some back. Why is that? I think it’s because Omar has tended to acquire the type of older player with injury risks who when they leave, are not in great demand by other teams … so he’s afraid to offer arbitration. But I I were him, I’d take that risk with more players. Not all, but at least some. And I’d stay away from so many older players with bad injury histories.
Third, I tend to think that the development of some players like Humber has been stalled. I still don’t understand why he wasn’t called up as an emergency starter this year instead of guys like Lawrence and Williams. Maybe if he had, he’d have pitched well enough so that his perceived trade value wouldn’t be so low now.
amen to that carver
great post but teh reason we do not offer abritration is because the mets will not budge from the payroll limitations set by coupons himself.
That makes no sense. The Red Sox and Yankees offer arbitration to players they know won’t be coming back just to get the draft picks. That’s the idea. It doesn’t cost them money. And it wouldn’t cost the Mets money either. As long as teams do this judiciously it doesn’t cost money. The key though is that you have to have players who are not so old or hobbled that no team will want them. The Mets have tended to sign too many older and injury prone players in recent years who are not in great demand when they leave. Thus the reluctance to offer arbitration. It has nothing to do with spending.
Plus, Humber was 3rd overall pick in 2004. How much over do you need to go there?
Frankly, I don’t think they have drafted terribly, No first round pick in 2006, but we got Mulvey and Smith. Everybody knows about Pelfrey/Humber but we also got LMillz and Kazmir via the amateur drafts. Who did we miss out on that was in our grasp?
hey are we still raising $$$ to buy the met’s???? my first hire elliot maddox for backstop
These days you can Elliot Spitzer for a backstop.
my next move tim foli will work the apple
Mets better stop kissing Selig’s ass. Start drafting like Yanks and Sox. Its within the rules and our farm needs help.
Let’s not get all worked up about the Yanks draft prowess. They just released Bronson Sardinha, who was their second pick in 2001 and was picked 4 slots AHEAD of David Wright.
The Yanks have created quite the logjam on thier 40 man roster. Its full, everyone had value, and they have Rivera, $-Rod, and someone else still unsigned. The Mets are one of the few teams with openings on thier 40 man roster. I wonder who else they will DFA in the upcoming weeks. Might be worth snapping them up for AAA this year if its someone like Karstens or Chase Wright.
I meant to include in that post somewhere about how the Yanks seemed committed to a 3 or 4 for Santana trade which would have cleared up this roster problem, but now they’re kind of stuck if they dont make some trade.
ESPN says Yanks are signing veteran RP Hawkins. Any room? Or they got somethin’ cookin’?
Texas and the Brewers are workin’ Sunday’s.
Is Omar at Shea or takin’ Sunday off to watch some football? After all, we have a veteran team; they know what they have to do!
What, me worry?
omars watching soccer on telemundo -GGGGGGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL (ju know wat im sayun?)
cee
is it me or are the mets really guilty of drafting relievers that aren’t power pitchers it alwaya seems like the guys we draft are the sinker slider types – humber or p.r gimmicks aka elvis’ cousin – remmeber him??
we did draft power relievers…..
WE JUST TRADED THEM TO FLORIDA FOR SCRUBS.
THANKS OMAR~ smart move
Where is my post?
Gee, I wonder if your post said to fire Omar…
or was it about Freddy Coupons again?
first post
natew, I checked the Yankee 40-man. Here are some of their “talent”
Jonathan Albaladejo
T.J. Beam
Chris Britton
Andrew Brackman
Francisco Cervelli
Jeffrey Marquez
Juan Miranda
Steven White
Scott Patterson
Oh yea, let’s not forget Carl Pavano and Kei Igawa
I don’t think they will have a problemfind spots for $-Rod, Rivera and even Hawkins.
Chris Britton would help the Mets pen. kind of…
Keep in mind that most of those guys have options and are more likely to be held onto over someone who will have to be DFA at the end of spring training because they wont make the 25 man. Since my post I read about thier idea to release Pavano and resign him. I guess they havent wasted enough money on him, why not 400k more. :)
And yes, a bit of wishful thinking on my part, they will likely not DFA anyone any better than Phillips.
hawkins in the guy the mets should be after if they include heilman in a deal for santana, haren, or bedard
which they should
Hawkins came with a lot of luck last year. He doesn’t do that every year.
If I’m the Mets I’m getting Santana or Bedard ASAP, keep draft picks and spend low amounts of money on some amazing bargains (Coupons…):
Jorge Cantu
Jose Castillo
Freddy Garcia
Kevin Mench
Octavio Dotel
Scott Podsednik
So Taguchi
I’d love to sign any one of these guys to a nice, low cost, 1 or 3 year deals. Garcia and Mench could be great helps for this year and next. Dotel would bea great setup man. Podsednik or Taguchi could end up being very good. Great guys to platoon with Church or replace Alou when he;s injured. Cantu and Castillo are like lightning in a bottle. Guys you can put in AAA, and play if Luis or any other infielder gets injured. It also helps us trade Gotay.
the mets need to aquire santana
gomez, mulvey heilman humber gotay and gotay
it helps there
outfield with gomez
infield with gotay
and pitching with young talented pitchers
it also lets us keep f mart, pelfrey, guerro
and we have a great ace since gooden
good trade for both teams
you add Reyes and get Harris back with Johan and the deal is a seal, can ya dig it?
Stop tip toe ing thru the tulips and get real, big daddy….
sorry gotay twice
my bad
There’s a report on mlbtraderumors that the Mets sent scouts to watch Jeff Fassero. I have no idea who the source is, but if that’s true…my god, man, why don’t they just send someone to the wineries to scout Seaver?
That was a real man!
Pitch a 13 inning game with no help and go home and wash his car.
No piss, no moan. You will never see a man like that again!
whos jeff fassero
actually
the mets should brin tom seaver in as like assistant pitching coach
He’s a 44-year-old retired pitcher who didn’t pitch last year, pitched in 10 games in 2006, and who has had one year of sub-5.00 ERA since 2001 (though he’s twice had ERAs over 7.00 since 1999)…
tad young for Omar
yeah true they had there chance at gagne
but they can still land dotel
@ KinersKornerman
I don’t know why you have Andrew Brackman on your “talent” list because he is good. He was their 1st round pick in the 2007 draft and is 6′10 and throws around 97/98 so know what you are talking about before you make a stupid comment
Anybody seen Brackman in the major leagues yet? Maybe he’s good. Maybe he’s a bust. The point of that post was that the Yanks are not “loaded” in their 40-man roster.
However, I’m impressed that you believe height is a key indicator of baseball talent. I know enough to back up my thoughts with information rather than name-calling. You’d be wise to do the same.
I dunno what you guys think the draft is, but take a look at the pitchers picked in the top 5 slots in the draft since 2001.
2002 pick 1 – Bryan Bullington Pirates
2006 pick 1 – Luke Hochevar Royals
2007 pick 1 – David Price Rays
2001 pick 2 – Mark Prior Cubs
2004 pick 2 – Justin Verlander Tigers
2006 pick 2 – Greg Reynolds Rockies
2001 pick 3 – Dewon Brazelton Rays
2002 pick 3 – Chris Gruler Reds
2003 pick 3 – Kyle Sleeth Tigers
2004 pick 3 – Philip Humber Mets
2001 pick 4 – Gavin Floyd Phillies
2002 pick 4 – Adam Loewen Orioles
2003 pick 4 – Tim Stauffer Padres
2004 pick 4 – Jeff Niemann Rays
2006 pick 4 – Brad Lincoln Pirates
2007 pick 4 – Daniel Moskos Pirates
2002 pick 5 – Clint Everts Expos
2004 pick 5 – Mark Rogers Brewers
2006 pick 5 – Brandon Morrow Mariners
Aside from Verlander, nobody on this list is having a great career (yet). So when somebody can predict who the future “decent pitcher” is going to be, then you can whine about the draft.
nice job
Kudos to you man. Nice bit of research!
To my mind it just demonstrates what a crapshoot it can be sorting through the potential of young talent. I guess it means that it’s that much more important for a team to do their homework, draft wisely, and keep working the later rounds just as smartly as the early ones.
Also, how a team doesn’t want to lose any draft picks if it can help it. You need a lot of chances to draft and some of them should turn out well. Considering how many picks we’ve lost signing free agents, we can’t criticize the organization that harshly. It’s just frustrating to see the Dodgers, Yankies, and Detroit holding the prospects that they are said to, while our best guys are a year or more away it seems.
I agree with you completely. The approach you describe requires a LOT of discipline, too. The pressure is always to win NOW, so GM’s sign Free Agents and make trades for known quantities, rather than going with their draft picks. Detroit was the latest team to fall to that dynamic. They traded 8 prospects for Renteria, Cabrera and Willis.
Even us fans get caught up in this. Look at how many of us want to trade the farm for Johan. Might be a good idea, but there’s a price to pay.
Thanks for the kind words. I’m just trying to keep learning.
matt you better start posting some stuff
Freddie Coupons wants to keep costs down. Why do you think the Mets foolishly drafted Humber ahead of Weaver a few years ago? Freddie Coupons didn’t want to pay Weaver’s big signing bonus.
The Yankees have not been these brilliant draft geniuses with their selection of Tabata, Hughes, Kennedy, Chamberlain, etc.- they are just willing to put out the extra money for the big signing bonuses.
They also payed a bunch of money to extract Soriano from Japan.
The Mets are not willing to do this kind of stuff- they are way too cheap.
Always have been, always will be. They have cut the payroll this year, and yet will raise ticket prices.
Freddie Coupons.
Humber’s signing bonus: 3 mil
Tabata: 0.55 mil
Hughes: 1.4 mil
Kennedy: 2.25 mil
Chamberlain: 1.1 mil
Why do you think the Mets are scouting washed up pieces of garbage like Jeff Fassero?
Same reason they go after the Brian Lawrences and Jose Limas of the world- they want to do things on the CHEAP.
Start acting like a big market team Freddie Coupons instead of acting like the Oakland A’s.
how many times are you going to post the same thought? Do you get a kick out of saying the same thing ad nauseam? We all know where you stand, but what is it? Do you think posting this opinion of yours over and over will do any good? Do you think anyone cares? If you really cared as much as you claim to, you’d stop putting money towards the team, you wouldn’t watch the games, you wouldn’t buy any merchandise, wouldn’t attend games, nothing. But I doubt you’d do any of that. So what exactly is the point of continually saying the same thing over and over when you’re not willing to do anything about it?
Bottom line- it bothers me (and should bother you people) that the Mets raise ticket prices every year but at the same time they keep the payroll the same (or lower it, as they did this year). They are so cheap. Why is everybody on here such a “schill/apologist?” Have you seen the ESPN message boards? Much more venom, the way it should be. You people are a bunch of patsies.
go to those boards then, our payroll this past year was $115 mill, the year before was $101, how is that a payroll going down? You simply don’t understand that spending money does not mean winning. Tell me, what has a $200 million payroll won the Yankees? Please, tell me, I’d love to know. What have they won? A trip to the division series just so they could lose it? Get over your gripe man, its old, tired, and means nothing. The Mets spend money, yet all you can do is gripe about not signing Vlad Guerrero and Jered Weaver, yet we’ve signed Beltran, Pedro, Wagner, took on Delgado’s contract, all at huge prices, and over paid for Pelfrey in the draft, and gave Humber a signing bonus bigger than any of the players you mentioned from the Yankees. So, what exactly is a bigger payroll going to do for the Mets? Just so we can say, hey! we spend a lot? Free agency doesn’t work, and we havent had a 1st round pick to sign anyone the past couple years anyway. If you don’t like this blog, leave, its that simple. If you think the Mets are insulting you by what they’re doing, stop being a fan. How hard is it?
Tell me, what has a $200 million payroll won the Yankees
You mean besides playoff spots EVERY year, multiple HOF players on their roster, ratings bonanza on YES, etc etc?
they won with their homegrown players, and sure, they make the playoffs ever year, but they haven’t won a world series since they started spending all that money. The reason their payroll is so high is because of wasteful signings like Giambi, Pavano, Damon, Clemens, etc, coupled on top of paying their homegrown players (jeter, Rivera) and thrown in there is Arod. Bottom line is they spent enough to make the playoffs, and thats it. It’s not like them spending even more would mean they win the world series, thats the point. Spending only gets you so far. To think that our team is cheap is just stupid, thats all.
Over the last 5-6 years, the Yankees have spent over a BILLION dollars on payroll. They have ZERO rings to show for all that spending. That’s a disgrace. That’s a failure.
Got Billions?
Maybe cheap isn’t the right word but they do not spend it wisely. Not to mention they change direction all the time. Remeber when the Wilpons had a rule about no longer deals than 3 years. How long did that last. They need to spend the money on the minors. That’s where they are cheap.
That doesn’t seem to make sense. They did go over slot on Pelfrey. Despite the complaints of sticking to slot, I haven’t heard any hard evidence that it’s hampered them from getting any free agent except for Beato. And what he was asking for a 17th round pick didn’t seem to be reasonable. Not only that, but Baseball America said that the Mets signed the most international free agents in 2007, more than any other organization. So they ARE spending money on prospects. It seems they’ve decided to channel a lot of money into that market. If you want to question their judgment for picking talent that’s another matter. But I really don’t see where they are cheap.
Remember the Mets drafted Roger Clemens out of HS and all he wanted was $50,000 to sign with the Mets instead of going to the Univ. of Texas. See that, cheap runs in the Mets blood.
i forgot why i stopped posting on this site for so long, but this comment reminded me
What comment?
Because in 1981 baseball dollars, only two years after the first million-dollar annual contract, every other 12th round pick was getting $50,000? The Mets actually offered him more money than his draft position indicated.
In 1981 $50,000 for a draft pick, especially in the 12th round was unheard of.
I think VCarver and some of the other apologists/patsy clowns on this site are members of the Wilpon family- no other way to explain it.
*yawn* don’t feed the trolls.
How does Randolph still have a job? Nobody has been able to answer this for me yet.
how do YOU still have a job, posting on a mets message board every 4.9 seconds with the same freaking comment.
are we sure “firemetsmanagement” isn’t just a bot?
Maybe this is his job. He’s a Troll?
On “Freddy Coupons”
Yes, we have a very expensive team, but the money is spent on the wrong players. The deal with that nickname is that on the guys that should be ponied up for, are not. Vlad’s back? Seems to be alright from carrying the angels on his “bad back” over the last several years. Arod – I think he’s been doing ok since we didn’t want to pay for him.
We pay for older pedro/delgado/alou/wagner in decline, which their four salaries combined would equal several teams total salaries. So, yes…we spend money. No, I will not knock them for signing beltran to a big deal because it would last during his prime. Although it hasn’t been what everyone’s ideal was, it still made sense at the time, and I believe he will have a solid season with the glove and bat this next year.
I would not be surprised by them getting Santana then signing him for 5 years at some rediculous price. So, yes he’ll spend the money. But, we’ll all be complaining when he underachieves. Instead the right way to go would be to make a deal for a lincecum, cain, or bedard and then sign them to a longer deal and pay them.
Pay for the pieces that will fit, and rebuild the farm. That’s what they have to do and have not over the last several years.
there has obviously been a shift in the organization since Omar has been here towards signing high caliber players, like Beltran, Pedro, and Wagner (say what you will about a player in decline, but what other better closer was avialable?). Vlad and Arod are in the past and people simply need to realize that and get over those two players. But just to comment on what your plan is, you make it sound so easy. Why not just sign all the best players we should have signed who are doing great and then trade for the leagues best young pitching talent? Hey, why not right? It’s that easy…
BJ Ryan. Much better closer. The reason he is down with TJ right now is due to the Blue Jays abusing his arm.
right…of course you know exactly why Ryan injured his arm and that he wouldn’t have injured it anywhere else…c’mon, thats a joke, right? There’s absolutely no way of knowing that and either way, Wagner has put together two pretty good seasons for us. And I must add, Ryan certainly is an experienced closer (a whopping 2 years!) and I’ve never ever heard of a closer flaming out quickly before, I thought they all had long consistent careers?
I never said that Wagner was bad. I like him, and he has been clutch. But when we signed him, he and Ryan were the top closers out there. Ryan was 28, Wagner 33. For the length we signed Wagner, I thought Ryan was the better sign.
Man, I’ve been reduced to my pre-metsblog behavior of having to google news search for Mets stories…
I think cerrone is hibernating after those winter meetings when he was up posting at like 4:30am. its too bad because Im sure he was working hard last week and yet theres really nothing to show for it. Not his fault, just that nothing happened other than that tigers marlins trade.
Everyone drinks the coolaid here.
Good go take some risks on prospects they are like gold in today’s game.
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i l ike freddie double cupon myself lol but seriously this is not only fred, omar, jeff sleepy dopey and willies fault we have a very poor scouting dept but on the other hand fred has to stop suckling (this) bud selig teet and start acting like a bigtime org
Not only can you not spell nor write a grammatically correct sentence, you don’t know anything about baseball either.
recovery time? I think all of the GMs and reporters are in hang over, back to life mode and everything hit a stand still this weekend….Matt just had to post the words “santana” and “draft” and that covered it
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just came out of coma