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In a recent report for SI.com, citing ‘people familiar with those talks,’ Jon Heyman writes…
‘The Mets offered different packages of prospects that included either outfielder Carlos Gomez or outfield prospect Fernando Martinez but not both, declining to include the one extra prospect the Twins requested to clinch the deal according to people familiar with those talks.’
…the way i have heard it, also from people connected to these talks, the Twins want gomez plus four pitching prospects…yes, four…so, based on my understanding, coupled with heyman’s, i think it’s safe to assume that the Mets offered gomez and three pitching prospects, the Twins countered by asking for a fourth pitcher or martinez, and the Mets declined…
…for what it’s worth, over the weekend, i did suggest the two sides were fairly close to agreeing on players for a trade, if they hadn’t already…frankly, i didn’t think it was that close, though…but, wow, i guess it was…
…if this deal could be so close, i am back to having hope again…man, i’m getting dizzy…are you…
…it’s a tough one…i have to assume that at least three of the pitchers are Mike Pelfrey, Phil Humber and Kevin Mulvey, while the fourth could be Joe Smith or Deolis Guerra, though i suppose it could be Aaron Heilman, as well - though he’s far from a pitching prospect at this point…
…it is a lot to give up…it really is, and i can understand the trepidation…but, man, to be that close and pass…jeez…
Earlier today, MetsBlog asked if the Mets should trade Pelfrey, Humber, Mulvey, Guerra and Gomez to the Twins for Santana, who will also require a seven-year contract, and only 56 percent of the 2,400 respondents essentially said, ‘Yes, the Mets should make the trade.’
According to Heyman, while talking to WFAN this afternoon, Boston’s interest is quite ‘cool,’ and - if he had to guess - he still believes that the Yankees will end up acquiring Santana.
…from what i can gather out of people connected to santana, though, is the Yankees have been very, very quiet of late…and, additionally, santana is not too excited about playing in the Bronx, while preferring the Mets then the Red Sox…
…frankly, i think it’d pull the trigger on the pitcher-heavy package, while keeping martinez, and adding Johan Santana to John Maine and Oliver Perez for the next few seasons…my hand will be shaking while doing so, but i think i’d have to do it…
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Not disagreeing with you…just saying that you never know.
Of course you never know.
My point is to get the best you have to trade top prospects. The Mets understand that.
They are too cheap. They would rather save 5-10 Million a year and get 2nd and 3rd tier players
It’s too bad we love the Mets this much We want to win
The Wilpon’s just want to make money 1st win 2nd
Metsdude, I can’t speak for metscam, but my thought is that I’m 51% sure we should do the trade, even if they ask for the top 5. It’s a tough call for the many reasons we’ve discussed.
I’m hoping Omar is shrewed enough to get the price down to top 4 or ,aube a lower level prospect, but if I’m the Twins, I ask for the moon. What it will come down to is how good Omar is at negotiating.
Santana is proven these prospect are not, why wait for these guys when you have wright, reyes, and beltran in their primes. For all of you that want to hold onto these guys why dont you just say “Lets wait and let wright, reyes, and beltran get old so our prospects try to become the next santana. These guys can amount to squat and we are going to hold on to them and pass on the best pitcher in mlb. Give away the farm! We have money and there is always free agency. Plus with our more aggressive drafting we can re load in 2 years. Any of these prospects will take longer then that.
As I said before.
GET ER DONE!!!
SELL THE FARM TONIGHT!
Payroll is not high enough given the Mets’ insane revenues. Should be 130-140 million easy.
firemetmanagement I LOVE MAN!!!!!
You are one “best pitcher in baseball” signing away from that number. THEN will you be happy? I worry about you, ya know.
Well after 400 posts today I hope the reports we heard were accurate. Otherwise everyone one of you wasted a lot of time and emotions on complaining.
But let me just say this, after this years demise, if you have to overpay then so be it. I think you have to come back w/ a stronger team and Santana puts us light years ahead of anyone in the division. The only real concern is the bench. Trading the young ball players will deplete us quite a bit. We need a plan to replenish that part of the game. The bench was one of the major reasons why we were good the last couple of years (minus Sept. 07).
You know what? Just do it. Trade them all. Seriously.
I love Fernando Martinez but trade him away as well, I don’t care anymore. I just want Johan.
Look I think losing 4 prospects is no big thing…..The top 5 prospects change almost every year, thats why they are prospects…….Bottom line is this idea of “depleting the farm” is so silly….There are SCORES of guys in the Mets system, and though they met not be all Gomez or Fmart, they are there. We have 3b, SS, 2B, CF, catcher, all locked up……1B and the corner outfields will have to be replenished in the future, but considering Tom Glavine was the longest tenured Met last year, I think its safe to say that you sign free agents and they make your team what it is…….Finally, Wright and Reyes are two rare pieces, and EVERYONE ELSE who starts is from another system, so lets not pretend the Mets are an organization that depends on its farm……Get Johan now while we have the chaance at being the cream of the NL.
in all seriousness…i really think we are the ONLY team that is going to pay Johan 150 mil..
the kicker is I think Omar has him on a 5 yr contract with an option for a 6th and 7th year…
if they are smart, they look at the Suzuki deal and structure like that…it becomes the player’s retirement fund and it saves the team money in the short term
I dont see Santana to the Mets, not gonna happen… the closest we got was the deal they offered and it was too much, end of story.
I dont know where he goes but it aint the Mets this year :(
This offseason is starting to mirror last season, lots of hope and expectations and then… nothing.
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perhaps that’s Omar’s line of thinking. OK, we won’t give you Gomez + 4 pitchers for just Santana; however if you throw in another pitcher…
Nathan might be too much to ask for.
how about they throw in a free home run hanky and we call it a deal.
ABSOLUTELY! No question about that.
All those SNY conspiracy theorists that said he was perhaps doing this kind of unorthodox post to drive up hits on the site…
Matt’s track record speaks for itself. And it speaks even louder now.
Much respect Matt… Much Respect.
as you can see from my post below, which came in seconds after metsdude13’s, you’re wrong.
I agree, but talks and negotiations still can be going.
For once I somewhat agreewith firemetmanagement.
I’m in euphoria.
if Im Omar I do whatever I can to keep Guerra out of this deal.
they had the opportunity to “clinch” the deal and turned it down. simple as that. can’t be misconstrued. if they are still negotiating, fine, but they had a deal and turned it down.
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you make it sound like we wouldn’t be getting the best pitcher in baseball and a guaranteed lock hall of famer in return for two kids that still have pimples and haven’t grown hair on their chests yet.
Exactly. I know framing things that way panders to the appeal of the “win now” mentality that has been the bane of this team in the past, but let’s face it: Santana is (1) young (2) unhurt and (3) masterful. This ain’t Bret Saberhagen and his on again/ off again talent. And we need to strike while Jimmy Rollins is in his prime.
YEAH 13
Omar is parading around his two young starters in santa outfits as a ploy to get the Twins to reduce the price..
Delios Guerra is waiting to explode on the scene.. if minny really asked for him that should tell you something. hes already the mets second best prospect and he just pitched A ball for cryin out loud.
no tto mention write a 150 million dollar check paid out over seven years
Yeah Matt, I know I questioned you, I apologize
you CANNOT go into next season after the biggest choke in regular season baseball history without doing something major.
a-F’ing-men
“I’ll make it simple for you Mets, you trade your prospects, they’ll turn out great, you keep them, they’ll end up mediocre, that being the case, you HAVE to pull the trigger on this deal. Mets fans are truly down right now, and you CANNOT go into next season after the biggest choke in regular season baseball history without doing something major.”
I am not down at all. They had a bad stretch at the worst time. There is no doubt they were the best team in the NL last year, which is why I am fine. Why do u have to do something major after u miss the playoffs by one game? I am pumped for next year, and want nothing to do with Santana.
Hmmm. Could have sworn I remember teams including draft picks in trades. Guess not. Retract last statement.
o ur kool kramer wat r u 40 years old a virgin, never had a date and unemployed yea ur real kool
Prior to this comment I didn’t think your chances of becoming a major league GM were real good, but it’s obvious now that you have what it takes, which is maturity beyond your years.
yea i have always known everything u need to know about baseball een in kindrgarden and first grade and im not a loooooser that has no life like kramer and thats all i want to be is a Gm preferabley for the Mets but you cant always be picky lol
Put the glue away and go do your homework.
haha glue? and besides i already did my homework i had a science ditto and math thenks for the advice lol
No thanks. I will take 12 years of Guerra and Gomez over Johan. I wouldnt do it for those 2 alone. The resty of your proposal is just overkill.
I dont want to target your posts specifically toomany because i understand you and I see this differently. But you can not simply write off the value of the better prospects. This could have been discussed 5 years ago with Wright and Reyes. They are pretty special. Imagine trading Wright back then for say Mike Mussina? Not frickin worth it huh.
Point is you must cherry pick your best prospects that you genuinely feel are going to be special. And you do not trade them. Of the group, none of the pitchers are in that realm though Pelfrey has the highest ceiling. But you can’t dump Gomez and Fmart if you believe in one of them. Pick and keep the one you will not trade then be reasonable with the rest. They can have any one of the pitchers just not all
I would do the trade for Santana and then turn around and trade him to the yanks for Hughes and Melky.
Good deal we get a terrific pitcher and replenish the outfielders we would have lost in the original deal.
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good one.
gomez, martinez, pelfrey etc are also a healthy career away from doing nothing. johan is a proven stud w/no history full of injuries.
No, you’re missing the point. We’re talking about a pitcher here. A pitcher is *much* more likely to break down than a position player. A 10-year deal for ARod wasn’t a huge risk, a 10-year deal for Keven Brown was just stupid. And that was just a free agent deal. If Santana were a free agent, I’d say, yeah, it’s a no-brainer to pony up 7/140 or whatever — the upside is well worth the risk. If you’re going to add to that five of the players who are most likely to make contributions to your team in the coming years — I’m not saying that you should never do it, but it’s a *big* risk. Any time you rely on *one* player to justify wiping out a lot of other possible avenues of improving your team is a big risk. Would you trade all seven — Humber, Pelfrey, Guerra, Mulvey, Heilman, FMart, and Gomez? There’s a line somewhere, and the risk factor is part of determining where that line is.
There is, again, absolutely no evidence that Wilpon has been reluctant to spend since Minaya became GM. You can’t just say, “the payroll is only $110 million, we should have a bigger payroll.” You have to point to specific cases where Omar wanted to sign or acquire somebody and was told the Mets wouldn’t spend the money. I don’t even know of any *rumors* to that effect. Are there particular players/transactions you have in mind? Don’t tell me ARod or Posada — they never even intended to negotiate with the Mets. The Mets were ready to take on Manny’s contract two years ago when Tampa Bay nixed the 3-way deal. Are you sorry the Mets didn’t spring for Zito at 7/126?
It’s fine to say that Minaya’s made bad deals or that the farm system has been mismanaged or whatever, but this idea about Wilpon’s not being willing to spend is something that people just make up so they can have something to whine about.
Dude. it is a rental. And the Twins have no leverage as BoSox were in only to jack yanks’price for Johan.
Any of the mentioned packages are very nice for a rent a stud.
Hmm… you may be right about Guerra. But my main point stands; it’s not like the Twins are asking for Gomez, FMart, Pelfrey, Humber, Mulvey, J Smith AND Guerra. THAT would be a no go.
I pray the Mets don’t trade this guy, cause we’ll be hearing his name as one of the best prospects in the Majors by the end of this year, whether he’s on the Mets or Twins
If he doesn’t blow out his arm, which is a real possibility seeing as he’s already had arm issues.
I’m not banking the farm on a 19 yr old pitcher
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Best part will be listening to Cubs fans yell “Fooooooook” when he comes to bat.